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#41 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
money doesnt make a person smart, hard work and a want for learning makes a person smart.
User avatar #49 to #41 - esmith (05/09/2013) [-]
Being born smart makes a person smart. Money pays for better schools which improves the average. You can't make a person smart, but you can at least introduce them to a book or two, and they're better of for it.
User avatar #203 - nephritho (05/09/2013) [-]
>implying education proves that someone is smart.
#212 to #203 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Well, it sure as hell doesn't make you dumber.
User avatar #213 to #212 - nephritho (05/09/2013) [-]
Unless they give you the wrong material.
Like making you learn that the world is 6000 years old or that dinosaurs and humans lived next each other.
#102 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Logic fail. The US education system has been intentionally dumbing people down for decades.
User avatar #136 to #102 - thisisspartah (05/09/2013) [-]
Because literacy is a serious problem isn't it?
You are forgetting decades ago people only did a few years of school to learn how to read and write, now many more people go to highschool and even university. Maybe you should learn more, but others don't.
User avatar #122 to #102 - ithinkihaveaids **User deleted account** (05/09/2013) [-]
more like rich kids get good education and poor get bad?

unfortunately Rich =/= Smart.
User avatar #107 to #102 - hasanaat (05/09/2013) [-]
Yet the money spent on an individual student has skyrocketed!
User avatar #60 - demonfish (05/09/2013) [-]
My Senior friend voted no on our School levy. I'm a junior so I actually cared, even after I'm I of school and am old enough to vote, I plan on voting yes. I got him back though. Him: "Like I give a **** , I'm not going here anymore after this year so why should I spend my money on it?"
Me: "Alright, how would you like to be able to collect taxes from others?"
Him: "That would be awesome."
So I punched him saying that his Jewishness has earned him a tax of receiving wholesum, filling, nutritious knuckle sandwiches.
User avatar #113 to #112 - demonfish (05/09/2013) [-]
My friend helped **** over our school's funding and I punched him for it.
User avatar #6 - douthit (05/08/2013) [-]
For most people it's so they don't get their home broken into, their car stolen, get kidnapped, and thrown in a cage. Taxation is simply legalized theft.
User avatar #31 to #6 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
Taxes are payment for a product, that is, unless you don't like roads, hospitals, schools, police officers, fire departments, laws, and not speaking german.
User avatar #32 to #31 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
It's no different than if I forced you to buy something, which you might not agree to. And that thing you're buying is way overpriced and low quality.
User avatar #33 to #32 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
>low quality
couldn't be farther from the truth, my friend
and actually, it is incredibly different. You've basically agreed to the terms and conditions by living in the united states. If you don't like it, you are free to leave, (something that differs us from North Korea).

As for overpriced and low quality, have you seen the roads in goddamn russia? Friggen death trap. Our highways are paved with gold compared to theirs.
User avatar #34 to #33 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
The old social contract response. No, I didn't sign anything, and neither did anyone I've ever met. I can't justly enter you into debt against your will because you live in the house you do, or the neighborhood.
User avatar #37 to #34 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
So you are familiar with the social contract.

If so, why are we having this argument?
The natural state sucks. That's why governments evolved.
And you've agreed to the contract as long as you use the services government provides.
If you don't want to live by the social contract, then you should stop reaping its benefits, unless you have an alternative.

Side note: You are currently using the internet while complaining about Government.
The internet came into being because of the government.
appreciate the irony.
User avatar #54 to #37 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
I know about the so-called social contract, but don't agree with it. People using government-provided services are more or less obligated to use them, because they have reduced income to purchase or use private means because of income taken through taxation, because of the artificially-high prices of private goods because of government subsidization, or because government is the only game in town in a given field.
User avatar #55 to #54 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
You use a government provided service every time you drive to work.
You could try to off road it if you'd like.
User avatar #57 to #55 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
See my three reasons given above.
User avatar #62 to #57 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]

You aren't obligated to use the roads, they are just useful. Thats why we made them, for the common good.
Your reduced income ain't got **** to do with the roads
There is no such thing as a private road, because they wouldn't be feasible without the government. Same thing with railroads, check your history on that one
The government is the only game in town because its the only one who can play. Nothing else matches up, and I honestly trust the government more than companies. I don't need EA giving me **** about how some roads are DLC only.
User avatar #66 to #62 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
We are obligated to use government roads, for the most part. Government generally disallows the building of private roads, and there are few "private" ones in the US. People are prevented from using private roads. However, private roads are certainly possible, although not in our current situation.

But all this is moot when you consider that roads, as well as everything else government does, is funded through the initiation of force, carried out through taxation and enforced through the police. There are more moral options to build roads.
User avatar #70 to #66 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
> funded through the initiation of force

when it comes down to it, everything is.
User avatar #71 to #70 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
Not at all. We should seek voluntary means of doing things, and not resort to beginning the use of violence against others. We each do it all the time, but then turn right around and endow a monolithic government with the right to a monopoly on the use of force. For example, when was the last time you initiated violence against someone to get a date? Or a job? Voluntary cooperation is much better and more moral.
User avatar #76 to #71 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
Voluntary cooperation works great, until you run into assholes.

You always run into assholes. It's genetically favorable to be an asshole. It's why we don't have anarchy. Government can somewhat be simplified to asshole control.

A point I should concede, government is not without its corruption. I would say a better use of time, as compared to privatizing everything, would be to remove government corruption.
User avatar #95 to #76 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
There are sociological ways to deal with assholes. We do it all the time and without even thinking about it. We generally ostracize jerks and those who don't adhere to social norms. It's the reason when you're sitting on a bus with a bunch of strangers, everyone sits in silently agreed-upon silence, and why nobody starts barking or licking the seats. Everyone would provide positive punishment (to use a psychological term) in the form of frowns, ignoring them, and not wanting to associate with them. No government needed, and we don't have to start an episode of violence against them to do it.
User avatar #100 to #95 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
Well in conclusion: Have a good night, sir. It's been a fun debate.
User avatar #63 to #62 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
You still haven't provided an alternative to the system we use, by the way.
User avatar #67 to #63 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
A system of roads funded and built privately.
User avatar #69 to #67 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
Not feasible, either you'd need to get a bunch of companies to work together while ensuring they do not form a monopoly (impossible), or you have one company running it and then negative things ensue.

This is ignoring the high costs of such a thing.

As for additionaly reasons why it isn't as good as a standard government run one, check here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport#Early_railroads_in_the_US
As to why government aid is needed:
User avatar #72 to #69 - douthit (05/09/2013) [-]
I don't understand why we should fear a possible future monopoly by companies, when we already have a nationwide monopoly in the form of government.

And again, at the moment private roads would only be expensive because government subsidizes 99% of all roads, much like public education. If roads and schools were all privatized, costs would plummet, quality would skyrocket, and it would be much more moral because they wouldn't be funded through initiating violence in the form of taxation.
User avatar #74 to #72 - srskate (05/09/2013) [-]
I'm growing weary, so I figure we'll close it up with a few last points
Govenment is by the people for the people etc. It gets its power from us, thats why its allowed a monopoly. Its a sort of Unitarian thing, where it benefits the majority. Thats why the majority enjoys it.

Without subsidies etc etc, roads are still ******* expensive. They require a lot of work, a lot of maintainence after the initial work, and a lot of materials. Therefore the companies would have to charge a lot. (or, in the case of a monopoly, whatever they want)

As for privatizing everything, that barely even works in theory. Private schools mean individuals must pay for everything, and not everyone can, nor would everyone be willing to. Then we end up with a situation as described in the content. It ends up as a vicious cycle.

You still maintain the illusion that taxation is violent. My counter-argument to that is, no it isn't. No one has ever been shot in the knee because they didn't pay taxes. They have been arrested for technically committing theft.

Prices don't just magically go down after being privatized, either. Materials are expensive, moving them is expensive, and now there are a lot more middle men.

Last point, if everything is private, who regulates the companies?

User avatar #22 to #6 - awesomenessdefined (05/08/2013) [-]
How does that relate to education?
User avatar #23 to #22 - douthit (05/08/2013) [-]
That's why most people actually pay taxes, be it for education or whatever else.
User avatar #24 to #23 - awesomenessdefined (05/08/2013) [-]
So how does that relate to Taxation being legalized theft?
User avatar #7 to #6 - douthit (05/08/2013) [-]
User taxation: Don't give me **** .
#101 to #7 - taxation (05/09/2013) [-]
Ooh, touchy.
User avatar #15 - smittywrbmnjnsn (05/08/2013) [-]
Implying that someone who wants to learn won't find a way to learn anyway.
Implying people who don't want to learn will actually learn from a school they're forced to got to.
User avatar #19 to #15 - sketchE (05/08/2013) [-]
but why is no one motivating them to learn. a good teacher can make even the biggest **** want to learn.
User avatar #26 to #19 - smittywrbmnjnsn (05/09/2013) [-]
But schools that you pay for in taxes...do not supply those teachers.
User avatar #27 to #26 - sketchE (05/09/2013) [-]
they do from time to time. sadly they cant fire ****** teachers either
User avatar #28 to #27 - smittywrbmnjnsn (05/09/2013) [-]
Time to time is not enough to prove the worth of the tax.
User avatar #29 to #28 - sketchE (05/09/2013) [-]
i understand that the main point was that they cant fire bad teachers
#39 to #19 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
False. Even the best teachers can't get through to little dick whistles that haven't been taught the decency to give a **** by their parents.
User avatar #40 to #39 - sketchE (05/09/2013) [-]
then you have never had a truly great teacher
#45 to #40 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Answer incorrect. Please try again.
User avatar #46 to #45 - sketchE (05/09/2013) [-]
anon program error. deleting
#141 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Yes. Keep throwing money at problems until they are fixed. This pleases Lord Obama.
#12 - infinitereaper (05/08/2013) [-]
We're already living in a country full of stupid people

The government operates on a extreme deficit

Money goes to waste constantly in schools

User avatar #36 - KayRed (05/09/2013) [-]
Besides, kids that go to private schools turn out to be assholes who are easily offended.
User avatar #115 to #36 - zorororonoa (05/09/2013) [-]
I went to private school and me and most of my friends who went with me are not like that.
User avatar #129 to #115 - KayRed (05/09/2013) [-]
Ladies and gentleman, may I present to you an asshole who is easily offended.
User avatar #130 to #129 - zorororonoa (05/09/2013) [-]
I wasn't offended though
User avatar #240 to #130 - KayRed (05/09/2013) [-]
Well...Some one went through the trouble of thumbing down all the comments listed on my profile (front page of them at least), and seeing as most of those comments are from a post that is over a day old, I am going to assume it was either you, or one of your private school friends who was offended by my post.
User avatar #241 to #240 - zorororonoa (05/09/2013) [-]
It wasn't me dude, i dunno what to say. Also, I don't know of any of my friends having a FJ account, and if they do, then don't know my username. Sorry man.
User avatar #242 to #241 - KayRed (05/09/2013) [-]
Oh, it was a generalizing term, I didn't mean they were actually your friends.
User avatar #243 to #242 - zorororonoa (05/09/2013) [-]
Oh, well, I'm not offended just so you know.
#238 - Pwnerer ONLINE (05/09/2013) [-]
I dont like browsing in a site with a bunc... oh wait. Nevermind
User avatar #239 to #238 - kijajouteh (05/09/2013) [-]
Yeah, may wanna stay away from 9GAG.
#154 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
That is why cheating is nothing to joke about, if a teacher sees a student cheating then he should disqualify that student, not simply ignore it and let the kid do it because that teacher is "cool."
#207 to #154 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
#206 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Wishful thinking.

Problem is that a quality education is all about giving students face time with their mentors. if you want your kids to be well educated, they are going to need some one on one tutoring.

Now the problem with public education is that it creates an artificially low limit for the cost of education. Private institutions have to raise their prices because of this. So while public education makes it possible for anyone to get at least a poor education, it also makes it much more expensive to get a quality one.

IMO if we are going to provide a free public education system , we're going to have to completely rethink the way we do things. Instead of spending millions, if not billions to physically house teachers and students, make the education materials open source, hand the responsibility to educate children back over to the parents. Sorry but i dont think i should have to pay for what basically amounts to free day care for irresponsible parents, its stupid
#164 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Too bad it's not working...schools shouldn't be run by the government..
User avatar #144 - blarghagh (05/09/2013) [-]
it's not like it's doing any good
User avatar #125 - fukkyes (05/09/2013) [-]
I have to watch his videos in class all the time and now... he is on FunnyJunk. There is no escaping.
#116 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/09/2013) [-]
Yet as an American, YOU DO!
User avatar #47 - capnwetnipples (05/09/2013) [-]
to late for that
User avatar #21 - IAmManbearpig (05/08/2013) [-]
dammit lightbulb, you were doing so well
User avatar #4 - ctenop (05/08/2013) [-]
Taxes for school means I don't have to pay for porn...
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