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#995 - nuckfuggets
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**nuckfuggets rolled a random image posted in comment #1633772 at Friendly ** I'll Co-exist, but I won't co-agree.
User avatar #1001 to #995 - whendoubting
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I don't even agree with you but that is such a relevant picture.
User avatar #456 - greenstrongworld
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I'm not even Christian but I read it. And I agreed. I personally know a gay guy and he's a pretty cool dude.
User avatar #471 to #456 - bossmanholms
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I saw a black guy in Wal-Mart. Seemed like a pretty cool guy.
User avatar #757 to #471 - greenstrongworld
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Bought all the grape drank. Didn't steal.
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#274 - aproudpatriot
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mfw this pastor
mfw this pastor
User avatar #15 - bluwizard
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I my self consider myself a christian,

that passage along with "judge not least ye be judged" kinda makes up my opinions on alot of matters.

I don't agree with the the homosexual lifestyle, but I will be damned if I am going to reject my homosexual friends.

They're pretty cool btw, and don't judge my opinions either.
#23 to #15 - cousin
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Quite literally dammed.
Quite literally dammed.
#85 to #15 - urfaesiskrewdup
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I am glad you think that way sir.
I am glad you think that way sir.
#848 - thecurlysage
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related
#814 - plataeiou
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+666 faith for humanity
User avatar #332 - baditch
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My pastor did something like this. She's a pretty cool lady. She actually did a gay marriage last summer and there was this one bitter old couple that stopped going to the church because they were pissed off about it. People seem to think that God would favor the couple that stopped going to church because of hate over the couple that got married because of love. It's a backwards world we live in.
#337 to #332 - anon id: 2547bc0e
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>anno domini two-thousand and thirteen
>allowing a woman to be a pastor
>jesus' face when

#495 to #337 - anon id: 1c2648b9
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You misspelled MMXIII
#245 - pfccross
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Christianity has been distorted so badly from its original intent i think. This guy knows what is supposed to be going on. hes not following the crowd that slowly drifted off the path, her said no, this is the path and you all leaving it doesn't make it any less the correct path.
User avatar #67 - OsamaBinLadenz
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*************, brother. I like that pastor.
User avatar #316 to #67 - fukkenname
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*****, what you doing out yo grave like dat?
User avatar #1092 - ponchosdm
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I would like to all christians to be like this pastor
#1112 to #1092 - TheCuckooloon
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you just accidentally that sentence bro.
you just accidentally that sentence bro.
User avatar #1117 to #1112 - ponchosdm
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sorry not english native, could i get the correct phrase if it is not much asking
User avatar #1133 to #1117 - soopergrover
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You just added an extra word, that's all.

"I would like all Christians to be like this pastor."

Welcome. :)
#964 - anon id: 4d6db8c5
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I thought this was funnyjunk not gay********?
#968 to #964 - ShroudeD
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User avatar #666 - ikinkajou
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YES. FINALLY.

BLESS THIS POST.
User avatar #671 to #666 - guidoforlife
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YOUR COMMENT NUMBER?!?!?! somebody throw rocks at this man!
#673 to #666 - threadz
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#550 - anon id: ad79ab77
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ready to get anal raped for this comment. (by gay people, obviously)

i view gay people the same way i view depression. Nature didn't intend for it to happen and i think we should be looking for a way to fix it.

let them marry in the meanwhile
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User avatar #562 to #557 - elcreepo
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Oh don't delete this!

I found it funny!
User avatar #564 to #562 - tocoolforyouinajar
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Just fixed minor mistakes
User avatar #586 to #550 - threadz
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Depression is a mental state that reduces ones emotional input allowing the depressee to think more logically and help get out of complex problems. Which is fantastic, unless your problem is depression, because that usually requires emotion based thinking and to get out of.

Homosexuality is nothing like this because it doesn't come and go, it is more or less constant, but your acceptance of it or how you react to it is not. Also, most gay people who aren't being constantly bullied by homophobic twats are quite happy, so it isn't something to be "fixed"
User avatar #595 to #550 - konradkurze
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well the only way people with mental problems, like gay, depression, schizo, etc, could exist is if either god, or gods son satan made them that way....
User avatar #622 to #595 - threadz
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Yes, that is true. In theory it's like a test of faith or something. In practice it seems to work more like a punishment for something you didn't do. But to his credit, at least God didn't make the test easier because lots of people were doing poorly, which is more than can be said about the US education system.
User avatar #657 to #622 - konradkurze
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too true
in god's will, its all about taking what you know to cross obstacles and make tests of faith in what you know

in US education, its all about if you dont know how to cross and obstacle, dont try, just stick with that you know
#561 to #550 - tocoolforyouinajar
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Ready to get anal raped for this comment. (by jews, obviously)

I view jews the same way i view depression. Nature didn't intend for it and i think we get rid of it.

Let them worship their god in the meanwhile.

See how that works?
User avatar #601 to #561 - konradkurze
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too true
god made all mankind equally....jews invented a cult religion that has nothing to do with god and judaism in fact has no hell, so jews pretty much invented a faith structure where they can do what they want and not get punished for it

enter hitler: since jews religion wont punish them, adolf did
User avatar #631 to #601 - threadz
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Isn't Christianity an offshoot of Judaism, the same way Baptists are an offshoot of Christianity?
User avatar #652 to #631 - konradkurze
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yes there are many religions with judaic roots, it does carry a message that jews knew they couldnt convert the whole world to their religion so invented a series of lesser religions to direct people towards them
"hey there, if youre afraid of going to hell, convert to judaism, in our religion you dont get punished"
User avatar #649 to #631 - beerterror
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It is, but mixed with Greco-Roman culture which is a strong intellectual foundation. Islam as we know it and judaism are much regressive religions, as are some minor sects within the church, oh and basically protestantism, which denied tomism and got back to mysticism.
#570 to #561 - anon id: ad79ab77
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a religion is way different from a sexual drive.

so i do see how your flawed logic works.
User avatar #582 to #570 - angelmatvey
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Yes, religion is way different from a sexual drive.

You can choose and change your religion.
#598 to #582 - anon id: ad79ab77
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What i don't understand is why you jackasses are like this.
i'm proposing to let them have their rights, i want marriage to be a religious matter, so if some churches want to marry them, okay!
some churches don't...
deal with it!
i don't want the government to be involved in marriage at all! no tax breaks or anything. I would want the only motivation for marriage to be romance.

I'm saying that nature intended for there to be further generations. so if you were born without a penis, that would be seen as a problem. if someone wants to have sex with men, i view it as a problem. (same reason)
what YOU don't like is that i won't call gay people the master race. It's not enough that i leave them alone, it's not enough that i stay out of their lives entirely, i have to conform to your beliefs too?
**** you! ma *****!
User avatar #766 to #598 - angelmatvey
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Hey, there's no need for name-calling and offensive generalizations like that. I was just tossing in my two cents, I'd actually like for narrow-minded and intolerant people to be more like you in this respect.

For starters, marriage isn't a religious matter, as you mentioned, since it's involved in taxes and legal matters. Besides, it's a cultural thing as well.

Homosexuality is hardly unnatural. It doesn't lead to procreation, but neither does protected sex. Plenty of animals display homosexual tendencies as well. gay people are hardly a master race. They can't even have kids! But that doesn't mean that they're unnatural.

I'm not asking you to conform, I'm just defending my own sexuality. I think it's pretty natural to be turned on by boobs, don't you?
Anyways, whatever, just putting this out there.
User avatar #618 to #598 - tocoolforyouinajar
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If it were the same circumstances except with black people, it would be completely different. If a few churches didn't let black people get married because of only there skin color, which they were born in to, it would be a huge issue. Why look any differently towards homosexuals whom are also born in to what's being discriminated.
#632 to #618 - anon id: ad79ab77
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how can i make this anymore obvious....
LEAVE gayS ALONE, PRACTICE RELIGION IN PEACE. This isn't about their right to marry. At all.

That isn't what i'm arguing. I'm saying that it isn't natural, normal, intended by nature.
User avatar #642 to #632 - tocoolforyouinajar
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K, then your right, it isn't. It also isn't anything that needs to be "fixed" though, nothing wrong with a little diversity.
User avatar #608 to #598 - konradkurze
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marriage and weddings are 2 seperate things.....churches only perform wedding ceremonies to convey a religious blessing on a couple, its the courts that register marriages....hence why people can get married without religion
so technically gays already have the right to get married just not have a religious wedding.....its just that the state allows the church a perverse control over state matters to pretend weddings and marriage are the same and stop gays getting either
#617 to #608 - anon id: ad79ab77
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It doesn't look like this goes against what i'm saying at all.

I want marriage/weddings to be completely religion oriented.
and I want religion to be out of the government.
User avatar #689 to #617 - konradkurze
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so what youre saying is that you want all people outside the mainstream religions to either convert or not get married?

okay so gays, atheists, and people who follow non-mainstream religions cant get married according to you.....if they cant get married via the courts, then they have to suffer?
#710 to #689 - anon id: ad79ab77
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I view atheists as a belief system, and they can live with each other and **** and have kids all they want.

they can manufacture their own type of ceremony for two people coming together.

I see that you like to assume i'm some extremist, that is in favor of taking people's rights away. I'm done here, there is nothing i can do for you...
User avatar #716 to #710 - konradkurze
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well if youre not an extremist then why must marriages ONLY be for mainstream religion....any reasonable person would permit humans their right to be married

youre just supporting a system of religion dominating all
#725 to #716 - anon id: ad79ab77
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no, i'm supporting a system where marriage and weddings have nothing to do with government.

If atheists want to party and have the white dresses and the flowers and the documents, okay! nothing wrong with it!

i fail to see how this is "religion dominating all"

you keep repeating "marriages ONLY be for mainstream religion" and that isn't what i'm saying at all. you do want me to be extremist, it's easier for you to be right, when my argument makes no sense. Once again, i'll repeat myself. marriage for whoever the hell wants it, but i want the only motivation to be romantic, and i want it to be religious. if atheists create their own thing and call it marriage, i'm fine with it and i honestly don't care.
User avatar #733 to #725 - konradkurze
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well if marriage and weddings have nothing to do with the government then churches can cause all kids of hell like they used to and there would be no laws to question them

there would only be marriages as permitted by the relevant priests and if they decide they dont want certain people to be married then thats that.....so anyone noe not fitting the churches ideals would have no legal access to get their rights to be married

so gays, atheists, non-mainstream religious followers, and other people the churches dont approve of like how catholics dont approve of women having kids before marriage, etc cant get married

whats your suggestion then? have these people go out of their way to create religion structures and churches that will allow them to be married?
#743 to #733 - anon id: ad79ab77
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"anyone noe not fitting the churches ideals would have no legal access" - churches would have no legal access either, so you're wrong here.

and atheists can appoint whoever they want for their marriages, they can even have judges do it just like right now.

there just won't be a tax break for married couples, and that is it.
that is literally all.
you're being a ******* dumbass.

you see religion as some terrible organization trying to take everything from you.
poor child, be open minded.
User avatar #778 to #743 - konradkurze
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well what you were suggesting is for churches to have sole power over marriage, meaning they are the law of marriages.....courts are a part of the government so you saying government having nothing to do with marriage includes courts

now youre turning around and saying atheists CAN go to judges to get married?
you cant even stick to your own story

personally i dont see why there are twists with taxes over marriage....lower to middle class earners get tax breaks while higher earner couples get taxed MORE for joint returns

mainstream religions are just extensions of the state....mankinds original 'religion' was faith in law and when people started ignoring that, man made judeo religions to strike a fear of a divine power into people to obey

take a look at other religions, like the norse, egyptians and greeks that had many named gods for all aspects of life and rules to live at peace with the world, they allowed people to live and grow, and for many thousands of years they benefited mankind....then 3500 years ago judeo religions popped up, fought hard to eliminate all other religions, and put mankind into conformity to a faceless god with a set of commandments all too similar to mankinds laws
#576 to #570 - anon id: ad79ab77
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and hitler killed jews because he disagreed with them.
if he hated jews and left them alone, we would see him as a hero, rather than as evil as he is.

(because, you know, he took germany out of the depression ridiculously fast)
User avatar #572 to #570 - tocoolforyouinajar
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Your born in to your sexuality. Your born in to your religion. Hows my flawed logic work again?
#579 to #572 - anon id: ad79ab77
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and you are born into your sexuality, while many change their religion.

being born into a religion doesn't mean you're stuck with it.
many people don't even actually know their family religion well.
User avatar #603 to #579 - tocoolforyouinajar
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Some people are born black, some people are born gay. Why discriminate against them when they've done nothing wrong? If it were unnatural to be homosexual, then people wouldn't be born homosexual.
User avatar #599 to #579 - tocoolforyouinajar
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Point taken, it wasn't a perfect analogy, although i'm just trying to show your imperialistic views and their similarities to Hitler's.
#610 to #599 - anon id: ad79ab77
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you can be born blind too.

must be natural.
#413 - mexirican
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*sigh* this pastor is a moron taking "love thy neighbor" out of context. loving and accepting are 2 different things.   
   
LEVITICUS 20:13 get over it
*sigh* this pastor is a moron taking "love thy neighbor" out of context. loving and accepting are 2 different things.

LEVITICUS 20:13 get over it
#458 to #413 - emawee
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i want to love people, accept that!
#463 to #458 - anon id: 2547bc0e
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And you can! at the cost of an eternity in hell
User avatar #422 to #413 - mexicanfood
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Isnt being loved being accepted?
User avatar #432 to #422 - mexirican
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is accepting someone loving someone?
#440 to #432 - anon id: 2547bc0e
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When it's into my anus, yes.
User avatar #439 to #432 - mexicanfood
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answer my question, you dumbass instead of making your own
User avatar #462 to #439 - mexirican
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lol i just proved you wrong, love and acceptance are 2 different things. go outside.
User avatar #470 to #462 - mexicanfood
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asking a question towards my question isn't answering anything
User avatar #501 to #470 - mexirican
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do you have down syndrome? i guess if you love someone you accept them but just because you accept something doesn't mean you love it. Making my original point right. A christian can accept gays but doesn't need to love them. thats what the pastor should have said. love thy neighbor out of context makes me love serial killers. can't believe you made me spell that out for you. they're 2 different things.
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Lol calm down, tough guy
User avatar #717 to #501 - mexicanfood
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you're the one who has down syndrome. Love thy neighbor means love your ******* neighbor. If you do not follow this then you aren't a true christian.

A true christian would love a serial killer. If I'm not mistaken one of the Popes in recent time forgave his assaulter that shot him.

#486 to #462 - anon id: 41fa3174
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Someone's butthurt that they can't come up with an answer.
LE GO OUTSID LOL
#401 - kingkaga
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(Take time to actually read my comment before you thumb it down please)

Divorce isn't a controversial topic for Christians. We all generally accept it's a sin, it's not like that's any big issue for us.

"Love" does not mean "accept and tolerate other people's sin". Jesus addresses this directly.

Take the passage of John chapter 8. Starting from verse 4,

they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said this to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you ibe the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

"...go, and from now on sin no more.”
God doesn't want us condemning others for their sin, no. But he doesn't tolerate sin either.
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approval from malice of dogs Overlord Meister alles, was süß ist. which is overlord of all that is sweet
User avatar #416 to #401 - aceofshadows
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I like this guy.
User avatar #278 - GreenGrinder
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The bible is a load of Jewish garbage anyway, same with the rest of Christianity.
User avatar #285 to #278 - codyxvasco
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Doesn't change the fact that people still follow it.
User avatar #292 to #285 - GreenGrinder
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Yeah, well it seems like everyone interprets he bible in a different way. Making it dangerous and moronic. Besides, it's interpreted so loosely around it's actually meaning nowadays...One day people will be trying to decode it, because of it's ridiculous criteria.
User avatar #299 to #278 - darksideofthebeast
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What if someone came up to you and said weed is bad for you and you shouldn't smoke it
Wouldn't that piss you off?

I guarantee it would
Just like it makes Christians mad when you say their religion is Jewish garbage....
Moral of comment

Be a more accepting person.
You wouldn't want someone dogging you for smoking marijuana
Why would anyone else want it for their beliefs as long as it's not hurting you or other people...
#308 to #299 - anon id: 2547bc0e
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Because Christians actively do hurt other people.
User avatar #323 to #308 - darksideofthebeast
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No they don't
How does it affect you?
User avatar #309 to #299 - GreenGrinder
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Because the worlds going to **** thanks to the organized religion. And I smoke weed in peace time, like our forefathers did centuries ago. Much more natural than depriving man of his carnal nature. The Judeo-Christian religion thrives off hypocrisy.
User avatar #321 to #309 - darksideofthebeast
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You're still being an intolerant douche about it...
Christianity itself and the idea of it is not bad
It's how people act about it..
Just like there are stupid stoners too...
There is stupid people in all cults/religions...
In everything.....
#327 to #321 - anon id: 2547bc0e
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Stupid stoners sit around and eat pizza while thinking they're intellectuals.
Stupid Christians stone fetus' for being aborted.
User avatar #330 to #327 - darksideofthebeast
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I've never heard of a christian ever doing that
Ever...
User avatar #333 to #327 - GreenGrinder
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You don't have the slightest idea what I do for a living, so now you have to rely on stereo-typical arrogance? I give up, whatever.
User avatar #342 to #333 - darksideofthebeast
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not all people who smoke weed are stupid
I smoke weed at least once a day
I also am celebrating 4/20
But there are stupid people in everything
Just saying.....
User avatar #169 - pandation
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Personally, I don't think the issue is actual homosexuality. The issue is homosexual marriage. Christians hold marriage to be a special tradition/practice that unite a man and a woman. They can be accepting of homosexual equality all they want and good for them but I think the problem lies where a community wants marriage when Christians simply do not believe it's for them. Don't know why we need a government to enforce either side and disregard separation of church and state
User avatar #171 to #169 - pandation
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Now in all reality, of course there are many reasons such as Christians simply don't tolerating homosexuality but down the road even if every single christian did respect and tolerate homosexuality, this is just the most logical problem that isn't dictated by ignorance
#174 to #169 - gammagammalover
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it comes down to marriage in a church vs. recognized marriage by the government. gays should be recognized by the government as married coupls
User avatar #180 to #174 - pandation
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The government shouldn't view a married couple differently. Why is a religious practice benefitting those who practice it and is something that everyone else that doesn't believe in that religion fighting for? Getting gay marriage legalized isn't the issue, it's eliminating that difference in recognition
User avatar #176 to #169 - schneidend
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Nobody says homosexuals need to get married in a church. They can't even get legally married by a judge. This denies them several benefits on things like taxes and insurance. Even if gay marriage were legal, all that does is let judges and other officials marry people. Any given church would still have every right to be discriminatory.
User avatar #182 to #176 - pandation
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read comment 180, I actually pretty much answered the same points
User avatar #184 to #182 - schneidend
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I'm not even sure #180 is written in English. What are you talking about? Getting married in a church and being legally married are, in fact, different. That's how it is supposed to work.
User avatar #187 to #184 - pandation
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It's still originating from a religious practice. The government shouldn't have that right with separation of church and state. I support equal rights regardless of lifestyle and think marriage shouldn't be a deciding factor in any circumstance. And what are you talking about? Getting married in a church and courtroom are virtually the same in legal standards as long as the church marriages are properly documented.
#199 to #187 - vrthbvyfa
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Marriage has been around for ages, well before the abrahamic religions. Why do you think countries untouched my the abrahamic religions also have some form of marriage. Even behavioral patterns of various animals hint that in some species something like marriage happens. The behavioral patterns that support marriage have evolved over time. If a man wants to have a lifetime partner with another man what the **** is wrong with it? Why does it matter to religious people what other people do, why have religious people got to enforce their beliefs on others?   
   
We are all humans here, have some empathy and some sympathy. We are all fairly closely related too.    
   
We are all like basically the same person with a few differences and a different upbringing and experiences. Just think about that.
Marriage has been around for ages, well before the abrahamic religions. Why do you think countries untouched my the abrahamic religions also have some form of marriage. Even behavioral patterns of various animals hint that in some species something like marriage happens. The behavioral patterns that support marriage have evolved over time. If a man wants to have a lifetime partner with another man what the **** is wrong with it? Why does it matter to religious people what other people do, why have religious people got to enforce their beliefs on others?

We are all humans here, have some empathy and some sympathy. We are all fairly closely related too.

We are all like basically the same person with a few differences and a different upbringing and experiences. Just think about that.
User avatar #206 to #199 - pandation
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Then find a religion that supports gay marriage. The government shouldn't favor either more than the other.
"Why does it matter to religious people what other people do, why have religious people got to enforce their beliefs on others?"
Because for majority of the conflicts in America, the practice of marriage is banned because of religious communities. By logic, it's their practice, they can deny who they want. It's not religious people enforcing their beliefs on others, it's the opposite, they are keeping it from certain people because they believe it's not for them.
I'm not here to say what religion is right or wrong but if churches don't want to marry gays then they shouldn't be forced to.
User avatar #592 to #206 - vrthbvyfa
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But marriage clearly isn't a religious thing.
User avatar #953 to #592 - pandation
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How isn't it? If you're talking about the benefits the government gives in recognition of a married couple, read everything else in this thread first
User avatar #1189 to #953 - vrthbvyfa
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I already have, and If you read what I said marriage happens between other species you would know that what you just said doesn't really mean anything...
User avatar #1192 to #1189 - pandation
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wow marriage does not happen in other species. A committed relationship is not the same as marriage. Anyone can love and enter a relationship, no religion is trying to lay claim on that alone. Marriage is a very specific practice that is held to a standard. So no, there's no such thing as a bird wedding or a dog wedding because the mere concept that animals get "married" is a ridiculously childish idea
User avatar #190 to #187 - schneidend
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Even if you get married in a church you still need a marriage license. Just getting married in a church doesn't mean the IRS or insurance companies will recognize you as married.

The fact is that homosexual couples cannot get married by a judge or any other similarly-empowered official, denying them certain benefits. They should be able to do so, just like any other citizen. This is a matter of inequality.
User avatar #195 to #190 - pandation
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So what part of "Getting married in a church and courtroom are virtually the same in legal standards as long as the church marriages are properly documented." did you not understand? It doesn't matter where you're married, just as long as it's properly documented (that means getting a marriage license durr)

Homosexuals are being denied rights because they can't get married right? Because the government views married couples differently right? The government shouldn't recognize marriage as a beneficial standard. Civil unions are working so that married couples and couples who can't get married are granted the same benefits. Like I said twice already, it's not about marriage, it's about getting the government to recognize married couples and homosexual couples equally without favoring either.
User avatar #201 to #195 - schneidend
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That's where we disagree, then. I think marriage should be beneficial to people making a commitment to start a life together. It would be easier to just stop disallowing gay couples from being married rather than come up with new laws that provide benefits for unmarried couples. The latter solution seems like it would be too easy to find loopholes in.
User avatar #210 to #201 - pandation
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I agree, I do think there should be a distinction between a couple and a committed couple (like marriage) but marriage is the wrong standard to use. Would that be better? Eliminate the term "marriage" and leave that right to the churches. The government come up with a different term with different practices but following the same standard of giving benefits to committed couples. Because that's been my point the entire time.
User avatar #218 to #210 - schneidend
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Being married by the courts is already a different protocol with different wording and has little to do with the Christian/Catholic traditions. New legislation to come up with different verbiage and different tax codes and such is a HUGE waste of time and money. It makes infinitely more sense to just allow anybody who wants to get married to do so.
#1199 to #218 - vrthbvyfa
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Well most animals are smarter than the average christian anyway.

What state sanctioned rights do a gay couple get?

Answer is none. Because they are not family either guess who can't even go see their partner? Don't ******** me and say the family will let them visit, the ******* family refuses to accept their child is homo.

What you are saying is that christians invented marriage so christians get to choose who they marry. Firstly they didn't invent it, secondly just because Lord sandwich invented the sandwich doesn't mean his descendants have the right to say who can and can't eat sandwiches.

Christians steal everything and claim that it is their own, ********. Make sure you can back your claims before you assert them.
User avatar #1206 to #1199 - pandation
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You are so misled on so many subjects I don't even know where to start with you. I'd rather not discuss things that you have no idea about.
Homosexual couples who can't visit their families are bound by the wishes of the other party, not by the government.
I am not saying Christianity was the first religion that invented marriage, never did I say that you twit. Marriage IS undeniably a religious practice that unites a man and woman. It's a practice for a man and woman. It's like a man bitching about not being able to use a strap on.
Learn your **** first before you make retarded claims like you have been every comment you replied to me with.
User avatar #1207 to #1206 - vrthbvyfa
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It obviously isn't religious.

******** the other party decides if they are in ******* coma. If the other party can't decide the immediate family decides.
User avatar #1208 to #1207 - pandation
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If they are in a ******* coma, homosexuality doesn't ******* matter in that circumstance. Don't know why you think sexuality influences every single right one has. Kid, educate yourself. If you can't bother to read the other comments and just insist on hating on religion then **** off. I'm not a religious person but I'm not conceited enough to call anyone stupid simply because you don't agree with their views and don't know **** about them. Go watch anime
User avatar #1209 to #1208 - vrthbvyfa
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Educate yourself, gay marriage will be here by 2015.
User avatar #1210 to #1209 - pandation
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It shouldn't. You just proved you didn't read ****.
User avatar #1211 to #1210 - vrthbvyfa
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I think i'm going to shove a dildo up my ass, want me to send you a picture?
User avatar #1201 to #1199 - schneidend
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I never suggested any of that. If you were actually paying attention, you would realize I'm a strong supporter of legalizing gay marriage.
User avatar #1202 to #1201 - vrthbvyfa
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Replied to the wrong comment, was meant for pandation
User avatar #222 to #218 - pandation
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Pretty sure the countless court cases that have been brought up by similar means costs a lot more than a legislation. I would agree that allowing people to marry is absolutely the more convenient and easy way but that's at the church's cost. The government is intervening on their practices and faith to force them to marry homosexual couples when it goes against their beliefs regarding marriage. Are homosexual rights suddenly more important than the rights of a religious community?
User avatar #232 to #222 - schneidend
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Again, allowing homosexuals to legally marry will have no effect on individual churches. Even if gays can be married by government officials, which is all legalization will actually do, that would not force any church to marry a gay couple.
User avatar #239 to #232 - pandation
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That's just going around the issue. Marriage has traditionally always been a religious practice belonging to a church of some kind. It's their practice, the government shouldn't have a right to marry anyone since they are not a church. The courtroom is not a church, and the government should not be a religious force. They shouldn't have the right to wed anyone and they should write proper legislation that benefits committed couples without being married. The courtroom wedding is different in protocol and wording yes, but it's not how the marriage is done, it's the fundamental belief behind it.
User avatar #246 to #239 - schneidend
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The government should absolutely have the right to legally marry people. That's how they recognize committed couples.
User avatar #249 to #246 - pandation
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They should come up with a different standard and leave marriage to the churches like it always should have been. Respect all religions but we're gonna use one of your practices to marry homosexuals couples even though we know it violates your beliefs. That's blatant disrespect. It's the government's job to ensure everyone has equal rights, you can't pick and choose who to give certain rights to at someone else's costs.
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I agree with this guy. I mean personally I don't care for homosexuality. But they don't choose to be gay... No one would choose to be an outcast like that. Because with all the opposition towards them, it'd be a life of hell right now. But anyways, while I don't approve of homosexuality for myself, I have nothing against them. I support equality. I mean, I'm not about to go protest for them, but I'm not going against them either.

And before you say I'm some asshole, I've lived in a hardcore Baptist Christian family all my life. For my family, these are the most ridiculously liberal views and unheard of... I just don't understand why people hatin so much on the gays.

TLDR: I support equality even though I don't really care for homosexuality myself.
#56 - sirbutterballs
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You know, a lot of Christians have been saying this for ages. It's not a new thing yet people seem to be acting like it is.
User avatar #74 to #56 - zraven
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We aren't discounting that a lot of christians have said this for a long time. We're simply continuing to applaud the ones that do. The more people that understand they will be met with happiness and cheers for this statement, the more that will come forward with it.
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Maybe because they say it amongst their group of friends and very few people ever hear about it and the asshole Christians tend to be much louder.
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cox n crendor ftw