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#16 - sienimies
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#86 to #16 - hooxx
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+1 from a southern neighbor. you guys have it a lot better over there.. maybe except the alcohol prices.
#156 to #16 - anon id: 5e27d0a3
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Finlands does not let mentaly and phyicaly chalanged kids into their public schools you, you pond swiming, crack smoking, discriminating, poor, wood peckers
User avatar #36 to #16 - warofsodom
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don't forget olut!
#78 - rmoran
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>There's no homework in Finland
>Finnish students rarely do homework until their teens
#3 - threeonethree
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its only because they dont have the blacks
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#103 to #85 - threeonethree
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we, the whites, have pretty much knocked the "enslaved" black dudes down several pegs... they had to of devolved
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#108 to #105 - threeonethree
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they work for pride and personal satisfaction, while literally everyone in america(i am american) thinks we are owed a service. its ridiculous, the youth of america thinks we all owe them something. irish/japanese/chinese were slaves to quit bitchin
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User avatar #121 to #3 - zycarra
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Oh, we have blacks, alright.

One of them stole my games
#127 to #121 - threeonethree
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in my neighborhood alone we had a rape/murder, 2 gang "statements" by murdering and disposing of the other gang in the street, they go after young blondes for gang initiation and they're even starting to have drive by shootings on coca=cola delivery men the next town over... yea ur right, you have blacks we have nigs
User avatar #204 to #3 - matriculator
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African Immigrants in the U.S. have a higher educational attainment that the natives.
Excuses!
www.asian-nation.org/immigrant-stats.shtml
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#20 to #3 - finni
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You are so wrong there. Europe is flooding with immigrants from Muslim countries who **** up everything in our countries. Not everyone of course. Some are good and adapt to the society's culture and ways, while most just whine and **** **** up, raping and committing other crimes.   
   
It's not only the US who has problem with minorities, and to be honest, Europe has a lot more trouble than the US have.   
   
Not saying we should kick every immigrant out or anything (some people think we should), but I am saying that both Finland, and rest of Europe has some serious **** they need to get together.   
   
MFW when bitching about politics/immigration starts
You are so wrong there. Europe is flooding with immigrants from Muslim countries who **** up everything in our countries. Not everyone of course. Some are good and adapt to the society's culture and ways, while most just whine and **** **** up, raping and committing other crimes.

It's not only the US who has problem with minorities, and to be honest, Europe has a lot more trouble than the US have.

Not saying we should kick every immigrant out or anything (some people think we should), but I am saying that both Finland, and rest of Europe has some serious **** they need to get together.

MFW when bitching about politics/immigration starts
User avatar #189 to #20 - ajaxthegreat
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Do you know this from experience?
User avatar #191 to #189 - finni
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Yes, and also some reasearch.
User avatar #129 to #20 - fredthemilkman
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we got mexico
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#131 to #93 - anon id: a4e9df67
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just for future reference he's Australasian not British.
#140 to #131 - anon id: 7a5ed45b
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No, he's British and living in Australia. Dumbass...
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#22 to #21 - finni
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No, Norwegian. I just know that Norwegians ain't alone in the matter.
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#25 to #24 - finni
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Hehe, yeah I know that. A lot of Finns tell me that :P (the username thing) It's just my nickname.

Yeah, it can be a really nice country when the sun shows it's face. I live in the most rainy city, so when the sun peeks up, it looks beautiful outside.
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#27 to #26 - finni
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Bergen - the city of the seven mountains
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#30 to #29 - finni
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We shall see who will be stalking who
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#32 to #31 - finni
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#70 to #53 - warrollan
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"No homework until their teen years."

Learn to read.
#76 to #70 - anon id: 5b346371
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Still ********.
#2 - thatrussianhoe
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HEY Finland!.....great job. i love you.   
   
from: russian living in the us
HEY Finland!.....great job. i love you.

from: russian living in the us
#75 - sirhyden
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I wouldn't **** with them either.....
#95 to #75 - xtheherox
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They practically lost though. It's like Germany v. U.S.S.R., the reds may have lost much more but they still won. But eh its my opinion so inserting random bananas.
#94 to #75 - dinkcool
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Defeating russia is usually quite easy when you are fighting on your own turf.
User avatar #117 to #94 - bounod
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Ok first of all there is no mention of russians having calvary vs 4,314 ones that swedish emipire had. You might want to check wikipedia for "Hakkapeliitta". Secondly, you can bet your sweet ass that Finnish soldiers were on that fight since Finland was under Swedish rule during that time ;D

How much of you are really willing to put on being on "own turf" when you look both manpower and weaponry. The stats do not even mention Russian superiority on artillery vs Finland.
User avatar #201 to #117 - dinkcool
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The main reason to why the russians took extreamly heavy losses during the winter war was not because of finish skill. It was because the Russian army barely had any officers after Stalin decided to kill them off in the great officer purge. Before the purge Russia had one of best if not the best army in the world.
#96 to #94 - dinkcool
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Here is another good example.
There are probably alot of similar ones from the napoeonic wars and also quite a few from the early stages of operation barbarossa.
#141 to #75 - skumbaner
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I bet the finnish military consisted of ******* space marines or something
#210 to #141 - noz
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Not far from.... Simo Häyhä (White death)

Google him.
#37 - orangepikmin
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(Sarcasm) Oh yeah, it's definitely okay to compare class sizes like this. It's such a great idea to compare a densely populated area to a whole country and it's a very accurate statistic.
Also, this post also fails to mention that Finnish schools have longer hours generally and that Finland's government actually cares about the level of education that it gives its students, whereas in America (I'm using America because the post above mentions it as well) education isn't emphasized as well if at all.
I agree with a lot of this post, but this post was written in a way that makes it seem that America doesn't have its **** together.
User avatar #81 to #37 - rieskimo
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I assumed that Finnish school days were longer, it mentions the difference in recess time which is almost triple.
It does mention that Finland cares about it's education. Towards the bottom it mentions that Finnish teachers must hold a Master's Degree(in education I'm assuming) in order to be a teacher. It also mentions that teachers in society are held up to the same regard as doctors and lawyers.

In all honesty America doesn't have it's **** together. We should have the best, brightest, and strongest but we don't. We are starting to follow the footsteps of people outside of our country. We're starting to hire help more than use our own people. We have all the resources to be truly great but instead we squander our energies on resource hoarding and empty entertainment.
User avatar #142 to #81 - yusay
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The Masters Degree part is up for argument.

1. How exactly is a Masters Degree necessary to teach any age below 14? That's throwing out teachers for younger kids while wasting good ones that could be used for higher level classes.

2. I have an Engineering teacher, no teaching degree, and she's ******* great. It's possible to have good teachers that don't have degrees.
User avatar #153 to #142 - rieskimo
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I'm not saying that a degree guarantees a good teacher or that the lack of a degree is a bad teacher. What I simply said is that I understand the requirement for a degree when it comes to teaching. If you are required that level of education to teach than not just anybody will try to teach. More often than not those who have a passion for teaching are going to teach because they've put in the footwork to do so.

If you ask me would I rather have a teacher with a master's degree teaching my 8 year old or somebody who has junior college experience I think it's pretty easy which one I'd prefer.
User avatar #155 to #153 - yusay
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Everyone wants their kid to be taught by the best, unless they don't care. But you don't get that there aren't an infinite amount of teachers. You know why classroom sizes are so big? Because there aren't enough. Sure, let's have every teacher require a Masters Degree, but now our classrooms are 75 kids per class instead of 25.
User avatar #167 to #155 - rieskimo
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That's not everywhere, and that's mostly due to a matter of mismanagment. We have a great divide where on one side we are saying we are paying too much for education and the teachers are saying they aren't paid enough. That's the biggest debate that I ever hear, and I hear it a lot here. The issue is just like in any large(at least American) bureaucratic body the money gets mismanaged, we pay too much for somethings and not enough for others. We don't bother with the proper consultants because "we don't have enough money" for them which is a laugh. My local town which has a population of about 35-60 thousand residents and a High School(Secondary school) population of close to 1,300 had a PAPER SHORTAGE the first year that I went there. They also had a budget of $32,000,000 dollars. Can you believe that? They had a shortage of ******* PAPER, like that's even necessary. Keep in mind also that this was before there were any serious computer programs(it was 2001 and we were just starting to really get into computers). That's exactly what I'm talking about right there. Can you imagine going to a college and paying almost $25,000 in tuition fees for the year and that school couldn't provide their teachers with even just simple paper? I can't, it's disgusting.
User avatar #154 to #153 - rieskimo
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Furthermore, I would assume from all of this information that Finland pays a fair amount for its education. If I'm going to pay high prices(through taxation or elsewise) I'd rather have professors teach kindergarten than high-school graduates(this coming from a high-school graduate mind you).
#202 to #154 - taxation
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I concur.
User avatar #87 to #81 - orangepikmin
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I don't think that the level of education should matter, but instead the level of effectiveness each teacher or professor has to offer is something I view as a more important factor.

Because let's face it: We've all had an incredibly smart professor that just wasn't a good teacher. I know I certainly have had plenty of them.
User avatar #88 to #87 - rieskimo
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I think that the level of education does matter to a point. In my district you only need about 2-4 years of education to be a teacher, not much. We have some of the highest paid teachers in the country dishing out some of the worst students. If I'm going to teach in Finland it's going to take a whole hell of a lot more dedication to do so than where I live right now.

I do agree that intelligence =/= good teaching, but you're more likely to get a better education from a well educated person than a somewhat educated person.(I feel).
User avatar #91 to #88 - orangepikmin
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I agree completely with the "intelligent teachers are better" comment. It does make a considerable difference in the learning environment if the one who is supposed to be the teacher knows what he or she is talking about.

My only question is what district do you live in? In Tennessee (where I'm from), you have to obtain a Masters AND do an internship to even get considered for a position in the primary education departments. For college professors, they need to get their doctorates in order to teach.
User avatar #107 to #91 - rieskimo
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I'm from Rhode Island, all you need is a Bachelor's(I think) in education. You don't need much in my state.
#104 to #37 - redsoxnbolts
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I can't agree with you more. So many government officials seem okay with kids getting terrible education. The governor of my state said that if you can afford to pay for a good education if deserve one, but if you can only afford public education you don't deserve a good education.
User avatar #113 to #37 - bothemastaofall
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We don't.
http://ww w.youtub e. com/watch?v=ML3qYHWRIZk
User avatar #145 to #37 - garymotherfinoak
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Well, they dont have their **** together.
#40 to #37 - anon id: f3ac2f7b
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Considering that Detroit went bankrupt; they don't have there **** together. America also happens to be one of the most dangerous places in the world due to so much crime. Can't blame them too much though: the country is fkin HUGE.
tldr: the bigger the country, the harder it is to keep them in check
User avatar #42 to #40 - orangepikmin
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Again, that's not America though. And even worse, Detroit was this example. DETROIT. PEOPLE LIVING IN DETROIT DON'T WANT TO BE IN DETROIT.
Not to mention that there are immigrants FLOODING in so much that in fact, Americans don't even have to maintain the birth rate needed to prevent the population from falling due to the amount.
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are we talking about america or just Detroit. with your logic i can say longisland has a thriving economy,lowest crime rates, and better education than europe.
#74 to #37 - anon id: dab6792a
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America doesn't have their **** together you ignorant baboon. That statistic about Finland having 600,000 students compared to NYC 1,000,000 with 1 to 12 and 1 to 24 teacher to student ratio- proves America is not keeping up with it's demand.

Our education has accepted a fallacity that not every child can be taught because some are **** ups... Which isn't completely wrong, it's not right either. Finland invests into it's youth, America doesn't.
Source: Lived in America for 26 years.
#84 to #74 - orangepikmin
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I thumbed you up because you called me an ignorant baboon, yet you still misspelled the word "fallacy".
#133 to #37 - anon id: 127f7ab5
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Implying America DOES have it's **** together.
#151 to #37 - futuramafan
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So what you're saying is:

>America doesn't emphasize education
>Finland does
>WOW AMERICA DOESN'T HAVE ITS **** TOGETHER HUH??!?!?! Totally unfair!

what exactly was the point of your post?
User avatar #206 to #151 - orangepikmin
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I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but the previous comment was referring to the post's (I would say) inaccuracy in presenting statistics. I view this as a type of skew (skewing?) the original poster created through the post and decided to comment about it.

I personally believe that America (the U.S.) has a poor grip on education, but it still can hold a fairly decent educational system.
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I see what you're saying... I think the OP was right in saying, essentially "America doesn't have its **** together", but for the wrong reasons (skewed stats)
#152 to #37 - anon id: a2538de0
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that's because America DOESN'T have its **** together
#122 - brutallyhonest
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Last time this was posted, everyone in the comment section KNEW it was ********, fast forward a month, 80% of you are buying it. I've come to the conclusions; either the intelligent people are living, or the retarded people are coming.
Last time this was posted, everyone in the comment section KNEW it was ********, fast forward a month, 80% of you are buying it. I've come to the conclusions; either the intelligent people are living, or the retarded people are coming.
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leaving*
User avatar #176 to #139 - brutallyhonest
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My apologies, missed that one!
#200 to #122 - anon id: 9f0d325c
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It's actually quite accurate. Exaggerated of course, but that comes with the internet. Many of the facts are more like guidelines and not hard truths.

Source: I'm a teacher in mentioned country.
#124 - baloonpuppy
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You're exactly right! Because the whole world is on the same economic level and because everyone has the same form of govt. and gets along; there is no reason why we shouldn't be as smart as Finland. Also it's not like some countries have a different population than others or that all the countries listed can afford to give their oh so precious generation the very best teachers or learning facility. That would just be unthinkable. (I say sarcastically) So, you go ahead and dance on your argument that every other country is better than the one you're living in. but make sure you're argument ******* makes sense and stop complaining about how the rest of the world is terrible because of one country.
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while i agree with you, that post is pretty much comparing apples and oranges, you cannot get around the fact that the education system is ****** up in the us
#174 to #124 - jackflak
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You seem to be filled with quite a bit of rage there friend. It'd be one thing if he was flat-out saying "Americans are dumb" or "The British are stupid". But there's nothing wrong with having something about your country of origin to be proud of. And saying we could learn from Finland isn't the same as insulting us, even though our school systems here in America could use the kick in the ass. Take it easy.
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#188 - ghostofmasterbrony
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********, THERE'S A PLENTY OF HOMEWORK IN HERE
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#157 - unncommon
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Wat.

But still, good for you Finland. That's honestly a tremendous feat; all other countries should learn from you. On behalf of like-minded Americans; congratulations.
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#119 - fordun
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I think the real difference between the US and Finland's education system is that teachers actually give a ****. Now take what i say with a grain of salt because i haven't researched this extensively.

In my school i see so many teachers that are apathetic towards both the subject and their students. History is a big one for this. Because History is the easiest subject to get an A in ( But hardest to actually learn something from ) a lot of previous high school football stars end up becoming history teachers that don't give a ****. To them its just something that pays the bills.

Then again i see a small handful of decent teachers that have a passion for the subject they are teaching and just want to invoke that same passion they felt in high school with there students now.

Math is just horrible teaching wise. They teach algorithms that don't make sense at first glance and don't bother teaching there students WHY x=4. They just expect there students to carry out a set of directions to finish the problem rather then have a full understanding of why each problem is solved the way it is.

For anyone that doesn't know what i am talking about read "A Mathematicians Lament" by Paul Lockhart written in 2002. Its a bit of a read at 25 pages. A topic talked about is crucial to having good teachers. And that is passion. You can't teach passion. Rather then just teach a load of horse **** that students don't care about we need to teach about WHY science and mathematics is fun and exciting and not just a chain of classes that a student has to suffer through to graduate.

My favorite quote from this mans passage is roughly "Making a subject a required part of the core curriculum is a surefire way to kill any passion or interest in a subject".
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Hold the **** up..... I might be wrong, so please feel free to correct me or give me a source, because this is only something I've heard... but doesn't finland take students with low achievment or learning disabilities into different classes than the rest, and these classes did not participate in the international tests?
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that is unknown to me but in my school there is around 300 studs. and there is 1 class that holds average 3-10 studs at each year and amount of them (% of studs) is lower in most schools that i have visited.
#130 to #60 - anon id: 98f83837
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nope. and also around 50% of this comp is utter BS.
User avatar #132 to #130 - localcatbarber
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Nope to what? Nope to what I said, or nope to that I might be wrong?
#1 - anon id: 0a0a6617
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So, it's explaining some burnt up country that no one gives two ***** about?
Cool.
User avatar #4 to #1 - feeniks
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And why would someone give a flying **** about your country?
User avatar #17 to #1 - tonkkax
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A popular magazine in America rated Finland as the best country in the world.
User avatar #184 - ragnarfag
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Let's be fair, Finland has only a population of 5.404.956 people, Canada has 34.278.406, US have 314.167.157 and Germany 81,799,600.
That makes a huge different in the way of schooling.
User avatar #41 - mykoira
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well not to forgot that we have to study at least 3 languages (Finnish, Swedish and English) at the age of 12. And later we have opinion to learn Germany, France and/or Espanja.
User avatar #49 to #41 - themikhee
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as in espanja you mean spanish.
User avatar #50 to #49 - themikhee
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and as languages, german and french. Don't forget possibilities of russian and propably every spoken language you want to learn
User avatar #51 to #50 - mykoira
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well yes and yes
#137 to #41 - anon id: a8daead2
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espanja=spanish
User avatar #138 to #137 - mykoira
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sorry i forgot that word
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espanol=Spanish Espana is Spain in spanish.
User avatar #45 - bioscott
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I'm not racist, but how many hood-rat, KFC-Lovin', grape-soda drinkin', watermelon chompin', baby-momma-baby-daddy Nig-Nogs are in Finland? I'm just asking. I'm not racist or anything.
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Its ok my dear white brother, the question is acceptable, does not have to be targeting any racial group, to answer your question, there aren't really that many cotton-picking, low pants wearing, crack selling, street hustlin', welfare check collecting ****** out there, mainly Finns, (95%), Swedes (4.5%) and a tiny bit of Russians (0.5%)
User avatar #48 to #45 - themikhee
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I gotta say that some cities has great numbers of those somalian refugees.
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#54 to #45 - morkotlap
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Maybe you are mistaking cause for consequence. Many ***** straight from afircan tribes went to my country to study colleges and ended up pretty good.
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User avatar #14 - PrismaLowell
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Now tell me how much larger is the US's population compared to Finland's?
User avatar #39 to #14 - beloved
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I fail to see how this makes a difference. In which points would a higher population cause the US to be worse off than Finland?
User avatar #61 to #14 - vanhoutte
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Now tell me how corrupt the US's education system is? oh and the health care system? oh and what about human rights? oh don't let me forget the government itself as well. There is no perfect place in the world don't get me wrong, but at least in places such as Finland, France, and England for example, they take more care in the well being of the citizens than America ever will. Seriously, Paying 300$ for a broken leg is ******* retarded. or attempting to speak out for what you believe in only to be crushed by the "powers that be" because they don't want anybody to realize that the government is n longer for the people. But for the corporations with big money. freedom My ass.