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#173 - gisuar (01/30/2013) [-]

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

― Socrates

blabla quotes on the internet and stuff but this one is at least as legit as veni vidi vici
#167 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Each generation has gotten smarter thanks, in part, to texting and the internet. Now read this before you have a **** fit = Schools often say that texting ruins peoples' writing skills, but it doesn't, people who hate to write and never write anything on their free time still text so, so like or not, they are still writing more than any other generation before simply because they are texting. And with the internet and other **** like that its just easier to obtain information now than it ever was before. And you may say that most people don't use the internet for info, but Im sure they have accidentally learned **** . Think about what it would be like without google. I feel dumber just thinking about it
#206 to #167 - tinyer (01/30/2013) [-]
Asking Google for Snookie's baby pictures is not the same as actually looking for information that has educational value.

And no, I don't mean typing your Physics problem into Google hoping you would find the answer instead of working for it.
#215 to #206 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
It doesn't matter what you normally use the computer for, everyone has learned something useful from the internet. And there's no argument against that. Like I learned that there are a group of awkward homosexuals who call themselves "Bronies"
#226 to #215 - tinyer (01/30/2013) [-]
Have you seen what people search lately?   
Anyone with a question over a complex topic wants a simple solution.   
Research rarely happens outside of school papers or job reports.   
It's complete 						********					 that our generation has become smarter since the standards for education are so low.
Have you seen what people search lately?
Anyone with a question over a complex topic wants a simple solution.
Research rarely happens outside of school papers or job reports.
It's complete ******** that our generation has become smarter since the standards for education are so low.
#242 to #226 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Our standards are low? Im assuming youre around 20 years old or so, my nephew just started school and his teacher, that's been teaching for 30 years told us that everything he is learning right now, in Kindergarten, is what we were learning in the 2nd and 3rd grade. Everything is getting harder.
User avatar #248 to #242 - tinyer (01/30/2013) [-]
My old high school recently instated a new test that is "impossible to fail".
Standardized testing was bad before but it seems to me like the problem is getting so much worse.
I do believe you're right about the early levels of education becoming more difficult, but so far that's only elementary.

I also apologize for my rude remark earlier, I didn't exactly mean you in particular, I just meant the average high school student.
#251 to #248 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Oh well thankyou, that also depends on the region youre speaking of, East St. Louis High School near me makes it impossible to fail and never marks anyone absent so they can make as much money from the state as possible. But my school had some of the highest test scores in the area and we took all the gov-regulated tests.
User avatar #256 to #251 - tinyer (01/30/2013) [-]
Well I suppose you're one of the more fortunate ones.

Houston, Texas here.
My class of +1,000 students dropped down to a little over 600 in the first two years.
What's worse is that my school wasn't bad in comparison to some of the surrounding areas.
#218 to #215 - anonymous (01/30/2013) [-]
if you were shooting for witty, you missed the mark by a few yards
#220 to #218 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
I just felt like being an ass
#229 to #225 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Hey, I made a valid point up there, you people don't agree, Im going to assume you are the morons of my generation.
#240 to #229 - anonymous (01/30/2013) [-]
You actually think that you're the pinnacle of human intelligence? How pathetic...
#241 to #240 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Definitely not, but I tend to look into things before I pass the ideas on, just like the original I comment I made. I was also rather polite until the blatant criticism came instead of people trying to make a valid argument
User avatar #178 to #167 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
Texting may be getting people to write, but it is also getting them used to writing without proper grammar.
U r awsum ;) - Is not proper grammar.
You're awesome - Is proper grammar.
Texting does ruin people's writing skills.
#180 to #178 - putridgrim (01/30/2013) [-]
Well, for the people who generally never write its better than nothing. They may suck ass at it, but they still develop meager writing skills. Either way we've been gettting smarter
#159 - batmaaan (01/30/2013) [-]
Words of wisdom right there!
Words of wisdom right there!
User avatar #148 - sockprague (01/30/2013) [-]
We don't get less intelligent every generation. Every generation the population as a whole is smarter. That's why the older you are when you take a IQ test the lower your score will be..
User avatar #181 to #148 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
Well no.
Because IQ is based upon pattern recognition, argument skills and math.
The reason older people on average do worse with those is because when you get old, senility and other brain problems occur, hence why more old people have Alzheimer's, dementia, etc.

But you are correct the society as a whole is getting smarter, but that is because a small minority is pushing higher and higher, whereas most other are staying about the same.
Not to mention that it is easier to communicate now, with the internet, rather than by post 100 years ago, a courier 100 years before that, etc.
User avatar #183 to #181 - sockprague (01/30/2013) [-]
The difference in IQ when you get older is slight. They use it on mentally retarded convicts so they can avoid getting the death penalty. 5 IQ points can save a life, albeit a retarded murderer.
User avatar #186 to #183 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
That is the point, your IQ stays the same as you get older.
And the average had and always will be 100-110.

So again, i emphasize, old people are not stupider, as pattern recognition, argument skills and math are universal.
User avatar #189 to #186 - sockprague (01/30/2013) [-]
I never said the elderly's intelligence regresses, some studies show in some regards they get sharper.
User avatar #199 to #189 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
You said that " the older you are when you take a IQ test the lower your score"
But that is not true.
The IQ test does not change, it covers the same things, things that are not relative to new information, it is a test about the basic principles of knowledge, pattern recognition, argument skills and math.
The average young person will score the same as the average old person, between 100 and 110.
You said that older people score lower because the population learns new things, even though the test does not test on those things, as they are irrelevant.
User avatar #272 to #199 - sockprague (01/30/2013) [-]
Yes it does... You are right people don't get stupider as they age. You are wrong in the belief that the IQ doesn't change. You are tested against everyone else. A 100 in 1970 is a 70 now. Do you understand?
User avatar #279 to #272 - Crusader (01/30/2013) [-]
Show me the source.
The IQ test has tested the same things for years now, and uses the same grading system
It does not test how "smart" you are.
It tests
Pattern recognition
Argument skills
Math
Those things do not change, your score does not change, or else people who took the test back then and got average, would now be retarded.
But they aren't.
User avatar #283 to #279 - sockprague (01/30/2013) [-]
Dude, how ******* thick are you. The average score changes. 100 IQ is always the average because every generation gets smarter, they adjust what counts as 100. If it NEVER changed a gas station attendant would be a MENSA member. Do you get it now? It really isn't a tough concept.
User avatar #289 to #283 - Crusader (01/31/2013) [-]
That's not true, you aren't seeing what I am saying.
If a 100 back in the 70's is a 70 now, then people who were fine then you be technically retarded now.
It doesn't work like that, someone who got a 100 back then would get a 100 now (or very close to it) because of the fact that what they test does not change.
We learn new facts, new trivia facts, things that are unrelated to what they test.
User avatar #292 to #289 - sockprague (02/01/2013) [-]
Google the Flynn Effect... if you don't know how to google here You need to login to view this link

User avatar #295 to #292 - choclategum (03/06/2014) [-]
I love that link.
User avatar #296 to #295 - sockprague (03/06/2014) [-]
Thanks...and that comment was a year ago.
#168 to #148 - barehype (01/30/2013) [-]
I don't think IQ is even a reliable way of measuring intelligence, there are many different types of intelligence
User avatar #160 to #148 - liquidz (01/30/2013) [-]
Or your brain rots... either or and or both
#147 - abachonk ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
Exactly!!! That's why #cutforbieber wasn't that bad at all, Hitler didn't do anything bad and also, we should try ecoterrorism.
#142 - inbardo (01/30/2013) [-]
We always will have the Darwin Awards
User avatar #138 - HURLEYSURFERDUDE (01/30/2013) [-]
It's called Darwinism. And yes, doctors these days have nerfed it. Along with overprotective parents. Back in the old times if a kid wanted to stick a fork into the electrical socket and died, of course it was sad, but they deserved what they got. Nowadays tis absurd to think that people die because of their own deeds.
#136 - sulaco (01/30/2013) [-]
>Le wrong generation XD!
User avatar #135 - SuperCookie (01/30/2013) [-]
I feel like I read somewhere that each generation actually gets smarter....we're just more aware of stupid people because of the advancements in media.
User avatar #198 to #135 - peanutbuttahjellah (01/30/2013) [-]
In general I'd have to say that's likely true. Although proper spelling and grammar seem to be a thing of the past with things like the internet and text messaging.
#131 - ftsfts ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
People are not dumber, the stuff they care about is whats changed. They emphasize pleasure, social acceptance, and stuff like that which are mostly not conducive to growing smarter as a society as well as the amount of people there simply are. We've been able to find negative Kelvin temperatures I'm recently finding out. That's how smart some of the people that live today are, the only reason you hear so much about dumb people is that they tend to believe they are smart and make a big splash on the media where as many smart people simply do their work which doesn't give allow to a lot of media coverage. Also once again because of the change of focus as a society Scientific and Mathematical discoveries simply aren't as interesting to people to highlight on the media as they were centuries ago when as a society we we're focused on learning.
#208 to #131 - lakerman (01/30/2013) [-]
Not to be a dick but negative kelvin is physically impossible, at 0 kelvin (or absolute zero) atoms stop moving, therefore your object has no more energy to give to another system,

I would check the validity of your source good sir

More info on absolute zero en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero
#280 to #208 - ftsfts ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
You need to login to view this link

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130104143516.htm

www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/347370/description/Hottest_temperature_ever_measured_is_a_negative_one


That was also my understanding my good sir, but that's exactly why I used that example. Somehow they did it. They were actually able to do it.
#293 to #280 - lakerman (02/01/2013) [-]
EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!!!!



but seriously, now i have to reinterpret what i learned from chemistry/physics
#294 to #293 - ftsfts ONLINE (02/01/2013) [-]
Do your own research beyond these articles to make sure but yea it changes everything.
User avatar #150 to #131 - fudgecrow ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
You. I like you.
#153 to #150 - ftsfts ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
Thanks man, I like you too.
User avatar #129 - thewalruss (01/30/2013) [-]
Actually that's a good point.
#124 - alucardshellhound (01/30/2013) [-]
**alucardshellhound rolled a random image posted in comment #71208 at Friendly **
#123 - anonymous (01/30/2013) [-]
is intelligence hereditary?

My mum is a lawyer and my dad is a doctor,
while i am dumb **** who had to google how to spell hereditary

......and intelligence
User avatar #114 - bobodevetjedan (01/30/2013) [-]
This made me think of Idiocracy.
#112 - helenwheels (01/30/2013) [-]
"Everyone these days is stupid!..!!. except for me!!... and also, things have gotten worse.."    
If you spoke to any random individual from the 1700's do you really think they'd be smarter than any random individual today? This generation, where education is mote free and open to anyone than it has EVER been?   
   
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, you're just so self centered that you assume people are stupied when they annoy you talking to someone else, if you made friends you'd see that they really aren't as dumb as they sound.
"Everyone these days is stupid!..!!. except for me!!... and also, things have gotten worse.."
If you spoke to any random individual from the 1700's do you really think they'd be smarter than any random individual today? This generation, where education is mote free and open to anyone than it has EVER been?

People aren't as dumb as you think they are, you're just so self centered that you assume people are stupied when they annoy you talking to someone else, if you made friends you'd see that they really aren't as dumb as they sound.
User avatar #164 to #112 - redeadhunter ONLINE (01/30/2013) [-]
That's a pretty good point, actually. Yeah, if you look at history you'l hear about plenty of geniuses such as Galileo, Einstein and Tesla But let's look at how much support these men got and look at their time periods

Galileo, who lived in the 1600s brought some very enlightening knowledge as to the Nature of our Solar System. Sent to prison for heresy.

Tesla, from the 1800s gave us the light bulb. ****** over at the patent office by Thomas Edison and bitch-slapped into relative obscurity.

Einstein in the 1900s, with revolutionary ideas for Gravity, time and the speed of light. Contributor to the Manhatten Project. Won Nobel peace prize, International reverence and fame during and well after his lifetime.

In a relative sense, humanity is becoming more and more enlightened as time goes on.
#115 to #112 - MacheteJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
Its from a movie, relax
Its from a movie, relax
User avatar #287 to #115 - helenwheels (01/31/2013) [-]
Its a ******* retarded move then, isn't it?
#288 to #287 - MacheteJoe (01/31/2013) [-]
In a way...yes. You made a very valid point but there is a widening gap between the intelligent and the ignorant. I live in a rural area of north Georgia and it's happening similar to what op and the movie described. I think H.G. Wells had the right idea in "The Time Machine" with humans spliting into two different species. Just not as drastic as in the book.
In a way...yes. You made a very valid point but there is a widening gap between the intelligent and the ignorant. I live in a rural area of north Georgia and it's happening similar to what op and the movie described. I think H.G. Wells had the right idea in "The Time Machine" with humans spliting into two different species. Just not as drastic as in the book.
User avatar #100 - LocoJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
What do you expect? ******* are like rabbits and just breed an insane amount of children.
#108 to #100 - MacheteJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
Couldn't resist
Couldn't resist
#105 to #100 - curtisbentley (01/30/2013) [-]
4chan is that way pal.
User avatar #117 to #105 - LocoJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
My right to say what I want is this way. *points to Bill of Rights*
#120 to #117 - curtisbentley (01/30/2013) [-]
Really? Because right here it says.   
   
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Really? Because right here it says.

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User avatar #127 to #120 - LocoJoe (01/30/2013) [-]
"St-st-stay outta my public forum with differing opinions or I'll post another picture. I-I-I'm serious man!"
User avatar #171 to #127 - curtisbentley (01/30/2013) [-]
More like: "I-I-I'm e-e-enjoying s-screwing with you y-y-you s-stuttering ****** ."
User avatar #97 - pocketstooheavy (01/30/2013) [-]
We have removed Natural Selection.
#91 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
You know that they have to adjust the IQ scale every so many years because the average person is getting SMARTER with about one IQ point per decade, right?
You know that they have to adjust the IQ scale every so many years because the average person is getting SMARTER with about one IQ point per decade, right?
User avatar #170 to #91 - opsbeard (01/30/2013) [-]
I forget which episode this is... I know its season 2...
#155 to #91 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
Really, a single point per ******* decade? Please tell me how significant that change is.
User avatar #162 to #155 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
that means that, if they don't adjust it, in fourhunderd years, a normal person would score 140, and thus, would be considered gifted

it also means that someone who scores 100 on a test now (average) would be considered retarded in threehunderd years time.

so yes, it is significant.
#169 to #162 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
If you get really ******* technical you can look up the Flynn effect and it'll state that the average intelligence quotient is actually rising by around 3 points per decade in almost all parts of the world.
#166 to #162 - bearpirate (01/30/2013) [-]
I know how to math thank you. IQ does not measure intelligence, it measures the ability to learn and retain information. You could have someone with a genius level IQ and not very much actual knowledge. Take a child for example.
User avatar #202 to #166 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
isn't that ability intelligence? I always assumed that knowledge and intelligence are two different things. someone can have had very little education, but still be verry intelligent. but please excuse me if I am wrong.

this probably is a language barrier, because english is my third language, and while some (like these) words are close to each other in meaning and sound in many language, the nuances are different. take all those flame wars over 'socialism' for example.
User avatar #122 to #91 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
are you sure?, because I got freakin 130 on the dutch IQ from last year and I did halve of it on beer
The scale on that one was based on all the dutch people who took it (and actually submitted there score)

and I'm not saying this to point out my own intellegence because I sucked at it...
User avatar #149 to #122 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
'de nationale IQ-test' you mean? that one on tv? easy explanation: there is a time-limit, which normal IQ-tests don't have on most of the subjects. a lot of the things that are tested on a normal IQ-test are not tested in this tv-show. some of the things that are tested in the tv-show (like long-time memory) are tested in a completely different way. the tv-test is much shorter. I bet you aren't the only one who took it on beer. and last but not least, they want people to feel smart. keeps them watching.

an average IQ is 100. IQ of 130 is very, very good.
User avatar #236 to #149 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
also that 130 wasn't a real good test in an actual test with guessingcorrection I'd have scored way lower
User avatar #233 to #149 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
yea that one, seems like a logical explanation.
I see you've looked into these things alot and I was wondering what do you think of the IQ test as a whole? Because personally I don't believe it's a good representative for one's intellegence (then again that might be lack of knowledge about the tests)
for one all the tests I have seen consist of 20% language and grammar. In my opinion this shouldn't part of the test because one's ability to use proper grammer and spelling isn't an actual skill that's affacted by your brain's capacity to proces information. It is only affacted by the list of words and rules you have or haven't learned.
I know that's just one part of the test but I have some other arguments which I don't have the time for to formulate right now.

So what do you think about it?
User avatar #247 to #233 - stultum (01/30/2013) [-]
I am not an expert in these things. Far from it. (also, I live in the Netherlands, so I watched the show last year.) I just have some interest in the human mind- that's why I know some things about some common mental disorders, why I know what an IQ test is about. I also have some knowlege about how tv-shows work in general- and that means that while they like the word 'science', they simplify any and everything. de nationale IQ test is fun to do, but, as you said youself, it isn't to be taken seriously.

the importance of IQ tests is at least debatable. social intelligence seems to be more important to be succesfull in life. your determination to learn something is more important to become good at something.

if you are interested at this kind of thing, I can reccomend to read magazines like Quest (understandable science magazine) and look around the internet- but always be aware that the internet is an unreliable source

I am just a final-year VWO'er who has a memory for interesting facts.
User avatar #277 to #247 - Scorch (01/30/2013) [-]
You don't have to be an expert to give an opinion, it just helps to be at least a little bit informed. I figured since you knew at least a bit it would have been interesting to hear your opinion ^^

coïncidently I'm also just a just final exam student xd but someone I knew had her ProfielWerkstuk on IQ etc a few years ago it was pretty interesting, that's where I got most of my knowledge about it.

I suppose you could say that. And it's definetly a good mindset to learn as much as possible. I think there's just so many skills people can have that it would be kind of silly to prioritize them or reduce them to nothing but a sily mark, I think it's best to figure out for yourself with what kind of skills you have but more importantly like and develop thos as much as possible ^^

well thnks for the chat and good luck with your exams
User avatar #93 to #91 - anotherone (01/30/2013) [-]
this ^
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#116 to #90 - anonymous (01/30/2013) [-]
So much win in a movie.
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