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User avatar #26 - thepalmtoptiger (01/28/2013) [-]
Don't take this as an attack.

Since they ate a fruit from "the tree of knowledge", shouldn't we be super smart? Or at the very least, shouldn't Adam and Eve have been geniuses?
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User avatar #48 to #26 - ronyx ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
That just raises further questions.
User avatar #44 to #26 - theexo (01/28/2013) [-]
In the bible it didn't give them knowledge, more like self-awareness
#30 to #26 - scorpiogary (01/28/2013) [-]
Well, they didn't wear clothe before the tree, it could be seen that the tree gave humans the ability to develop beyond basic animal knowledge, such as chimpanzee, who can use basic tools and etc. while we have space shuttles and are constantly developing new tools, while chimpanzees do not
User avatar #32 to #30 - thepalmtoptiger (01/28/2013) [-]
Well we should've had that capability before, because God made us in his image. We are also the only species with a soul and free will.
User avatar #64 to #32 - xyxoz (01/28/2013) [-]
Last I checked, the ability to think is not a visible trait.
User avatar #35 to #32 - CrashingSea (01/28/2013) [-]
No, every living thing has a soul and free will. The other animals of the world just rely more on instinct than humans do. If animals didn't have free will then they'd all act exactly the same but they don't and they even develop strategies and utilize tools much as man has in the past, therefore they don't not have free will.
User avatar #29 to #26 - CrashingSea (01/28/2013) [-]
tree of knowledge of good and evil is the actual name of it.
User avatar #31 to #29 - thepalmtoptiger (01/28/2013) [-]
So what you're saying is that they didn't gain knowledge of the world, that they gained knowledge of the existence of good and evil?
User avatar #33 to #31 - CrashingSea (01/28/2013) [-]
And thereby gaining knowledge of the world through that means as well yes.
User avatar #34 to #33 - thepalmtoptiger (01/28/2013) [-]
Understood, thanks.
User avatar #47 to #34 - sirrawrsalot (01/28/2013) [-]
You should feel proud, that conversation was the most civil thing i've seen today.
#20 - mytrakytra (01/28/2013) [-]
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God still gave us the choice of living on the earth that he created instead of eternal suffering. That's why we have famine, disease, violence, etc. It's not because God does not care but because we have disobeyed him and now we must suffer for it. People give thanks for allowing us to still inhabit the earth. That's why people pray and thank God when good things happen, as if someone was healed by a doctor. Of course the doctor did it but they thank the Lord for bringing such a wonderful person to the aid of others.

TL;DR: God doesn't hate anyone. Don't be a dick.
User avatar #153 to #20 - Fgner (01/28/2013) [-]
So let's see the logic you apply:
> God creates humans with free will
> God gives them temptation without a knowledge of sin (why the **** put the tree there if they weren't allowed it? No **** - it was a set up.)
> They eat from the tree after a superpowerful anti-God tricks them into it.
> God punishes all humans forever because we are all unworthy heathen bastards who disobeyed his mighty command.

No. I didn't disobey God. Adam and Eve can't even be blamed for what they did. Look at what God did to Job. I'm not one to attack religion, I usually defend it (because there's nothing wrong with faith), but I'll be the first to admit God is no saint - after all he has free will (and no punishments for his actions) too. While he may be grown up enough to not murder us all for ***** and giggles, he still can do whatever he wants regardless of the "good" or "bad" aspect of it.

But eternal suffering doesn't exist. Hell is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible or Torah at all in any way. It's all mistranslation or ******** inserted by the Catholic church a long time ago to scare people into joining or simply to twist the words to help them. God forgives everyone ultimately and they go to heaven. The suffering God speaks of in the Bible is Earthly. He says be good on Earth, and your life on Earth will be good (that's the theory - in practice it's not as simple).

And you may give thanks for inhabiting the Earth, but I think most people just do it because their parents said to or they really are directly thanking God for the food. They thank God for healing literally most of the time. People really are that sheepish and/or stupid.
#149 to #20 - anonymous (01/28/2013) [-]
That's pretty retarded way of thinking (allthough I thank you for the explanation for why we say grace).
2 people disobeyed him in the "BEGINNIG OF FRIKKING TIME", and everyone later has to suffer from it? Ye, you'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe in that **** . Claiming we are sinfull and flawed, and need fixing, is just like mechanincs sometimes do. Find flaws on your car that aren't there, and demand you pay to fix it. Oh and the fix happens AFTER you die.
User avatar #140 to #20 - kolsinder (01/28/2013) [-]
We disobeyed him? Oh, right, so because of a petty offence (purportedly) committed aeons ago by two people, it's all fine and dandy to make absolutely everything else suffer thereafter? And I'm the dick for saying that this is unreasonable?

If you're trying to justify why people say grace, pay to God etc., then that's fine by all accounts. However, you simply cannot call anyone a dick for questioning the validity and/or fairness of this decision!
User avatar #104 to #20 - daentraya (01/28/2013) [-]
So flooding the Earth is how he shows his love? I actually love that story. That's probably how i'd have dealt with a ****** up humanity. Just restart everything. Except that i'd send some waves of plague instead, because killing and destroying all ecosystems possible is just a bit overkill
#102 to #20 - anonymous (01/28/2013) [-]
God doesn't hate anyone? Then why did he kill so many people in his wrath? Or did he kill them out of love?
#56 to #20 - BroadSword (01/28/2013) [-]
What a kind god...oh wait...
What a kind god...oh wait...
#58 to #56 - grandterskrasao ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
its kinda funny cause of god's greatest gift to mankind...

you know...

free will...
User avatar #65 to #58 - xyxoz (01/28/2013) [-]
Actually we stole it. The trees of knowledge and immortality were supposedly in the garden of Eden, but we broke the rules and got them before we were ready.
#69 to #65 - grandterskrasao ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
and god can't take that away?
User avatar #71 to #69 - xyxoz (01/28/2013) [-]
Our punishment is living with too much work to use advanced intellect. We've progressed far enough in the last 50,000 years that some of us don't need to work as hard, and are instead forced to suffer both idiocy and maddening thought brought on by our own mental prowess. The ultimate punishment is the one that forces you to be great.
#72 to #71 - grandterskrasao ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
i see what you mean, but wouldnt you agree that without free will, life would be meaningless? Why live if everything you do is dictated by something so immensely powerful that to even to attempt to comprehend it would shatter your psyche?
User avatar #73 to #72 - xyxoz (01/28/2013) [-]
Have you ever seen a dog chase a bird or laser pointer? I can guarantee you that dog believes itself to be the happiest ******* thing on earth. It lives for the hunt, and though it's will is dampened by it's urge for survival, good old euphoria kicks in and makes it enjoy the struggle. We experience the same thing in spurts of violence or sport, whether we really want to do it or not.
Besides, humans are the only creature on earth that have dictators. All other creatures act on their own accord or for the good of their packs. Only ants, bees and termites, who have brains so simple they may as well be robots, have any sort of dictation in their lives. This is the reason for "hippie" arguments about being one with nature. They don't speak of being tree ******* , they're talking about the penultimate freedom that comes with the need to survive as an animal without human paraphernalia buzzing around in their heads.
#61 to #58 - pyra (01/28/2013) [-]
If we have free will, why does the bible say everything is predestined?
#62 to #61 - grandterskrasao ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
because the bible was written by mankind.
User avatar #53 to #20 - siridontcare (01/28/2013) [-]
sounds like a pretty ****** deal to me, you live! now thank me! Death or freedom, "why was there the black plaque? it the glorious god for teaching us a lesson about something we never did"
User avatar #57 to #53 - SuperBobbis (01/28/2013) [-]
Plague*. Just saying. Because, you know, Plaque is the bacteria that inhabits your teeth...
User avatar #88 to #57 - siridontcare (01/28/2013) [-]
User avatar #91 to #88 - SuperBobbis (01/28/2013) [-]
You're very welcome.
User avatar #43 to #20 - brokentrucker ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
Thank you.
#19 - anonymous (01/28/2013) [-]
I'm a Christian, this was good.
#17 - shigiddy (01/28/2013) [-]
It's not too illogical if you look at it through the eyes of a believer. The idea is that since Adam and Eve disobeyed, God could have taken everything from them, or made it ridiculous to obtain food, like fighting a bear in order to get a drink of water. They are thanking Him for allowing them to have food at all, even though Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge.

The fact that we still pay for sins committed by Adam and Eve (original sin) is kind of disckish, but there you go.
User avatar #108 to #17 - daentraya (01/28/2013) [-]
I dont understand much of this biblical nonsense. It's contradictions doesnt help either. But what was Jesus role then?
And pretty much everything in the bible makes God a bit of an asshole, who likes to troll around a little
#160 to #108 - shigiddy (01/28/2013) [-]
The Old testament, in short, is the history of the Israelites. They fall short of God's perfection, so they go between prosperity and ruin as they alternately follow and disobey God's commands.

The idea of sacrifice is that in order to purge evil, something pure must be destroyed. This is why the animals got bigger, and concurrently more expensive, in order to purge sin from the humans. Jesus was to be the ultimate sacrifice, so no matter the sin, you could metaphorically offer up Jesus as your sacrifice to God, thus purging your sin. Which is where the whole, "The only way to HEaven is through me." comes from.

Of course, people are dicks, and lots of atrocities and cruelty is committed in God's name. But then, the fault lies with those people, not God. If a car crashes into you, you don't blame the car.
User avatar #162 to #160 - daentraya (01/29/2013) [-]
Internal logic.. One has to play withing the rules and logics of something quite illogical.. It's quite puzzling. Jesus died for our sins. What effect does it have on today on our sins?
Human stupidity is the most dangerous thing of all. God is merely another product of this.
User avatar #16 - bloodseel (01/28/2013) [-]
Well, he could have killed us and not told us about adam and eve
#12 - anonymous (01/28/2013) [-]
yeah... that wasn't taken out of context.
#9 - draezeth (01/28/2013) [-]
Made me lol
User avatar #7 - ningyoaijin (01/28/2013) [-]
I don't understand Christian families "saying grace", as they put it. If they're going to thank someone, why not thank the underpaid farmers who harvested all that food, instead of thanking some intangible being?
User avatar #22 to #7 - teoberry (01/28/2013) [-]
Until you get off your ass and help those farmers, shut up.
#18 to #7 - iaminfactawizard (01/28/2013) [-]
I prefer to thank Jesus.
#11 to #7 - anonymous (01/28/2013) [-]
you do know farmers make alot of money?
User avatar #49 to #11 - ronyx ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
The owner of the farm yes, the employees not so much.
#24 to #11 - lordaurion (01/28/2013) [-]
And most of it goes right back into the farm. You don't make lots of money unless you have huge amounts of land.
User avatar #6 - jeffboomhauer **User deleted account** (01/28/2013) [-]
I tell you what man dang ol' religion on funnyjunk causes nothing but trouble you got one guy for it and another guy dang ol' against nothing but yap-yap-yap-yap man nothing but disrespect and hurt feelings man.
#131 to #6 - supermegasherman (01/28/2013) [-]
you spelled hwhat wrong
#78 to #6 - iamtheblackgoat (01/28/2013) [-]
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Can I upload thumbs directly to your profile?
User avatar #68 to #6 - burningsmurfs (01/28/2013) [-]
Dammit you made me read it in his voice even before I noticed your picture and name. You wonderful bastard.
User avatar #21 to #6 - thinkwithportals ONLINE (01/28/2013) [-]
That was seriously beautiful
#5 - zakvanloocke (01/27/2013) [-]
Then why doesn't he smite them down for fun?
#4 - neroooooooooo (01/27/2013) [-]
this actually made me laugh, love it
#3 - krizz (01/27/2013) [-]
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don't even mention it man
#2 - futtef (01/27/2013) [-]
#1 - dominikq (01/27/2013) [-]
#120 to #1 - moggycore (01/28/2013) [-]
It's Castiel...
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