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User avatar #75 - thebeastlyhound (01/24/2013) [-]
actually they banned metal bats in baseball games because people would get hurt because it acts as a spring and propels the ball forward faster and harder You need to login to view this link
User avatar #77 to #75 - thebeastlyhound (01/24/2013) [-]
and we now use only wood bats and there not banned because us white people like baseball and them blacks use the bats as weapons
#72 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Im pretty sure its hard to go on a killing spree with a Baseball bat.
User avatar #71 - guldknight ONLINE (01/24/2013) [-]
Why don't we ban knifes?
#105 to #71 - captaindropkik (01/24/2013) [-]
it'll get there, in the Uk knives are easy to get hold of but you need ID and there are a lot of security checks around just buying a cutlery set
User avatar #69 - northleech (01/24/2013) [-]
You know, when someone is robbed it doesnt always result in a murder. I think more people will fight back against someone with a bat, thus resulting in more violent acts. If i was walking around on the street, knowing everyone could be armed around me, I for one would be alot more tense.
User avatar #67 - teoferrazzi (01/24/2013) [-]
yearly firearm homicides in Canada: 30
think about that instead
User avatar #73 to #67 - GBird (01/24/2013) [-]
America=/=Canada.
User avatar #143 to #73 - popkornking (01/24/2013) [-]
30 deaths in a population of 36 000 000 = 8.5 x 10^-7% of the population
11 493 deaths in a population of 312 000 000 = 3.68 x 10^-5% of the population
Comparably that's 43 times as many firearm homicides per capita in the U.S. than Canada
#175 to #143 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Switzerland: 0.52 percent of homicides are caused by gun crimes, while everyone there owns one. (Canada's numbers are 0.5)

The huge problem with the USA is the black market, compared to gun laws. You can get a gun off of the black market for $70. Gun laws are very strict in some states (IL); yet still have huge gun crimes. It's similar to trying to outlaw drugs here. (And we all know how that's gone.)
User avatar #66 - KayakGod (01/24/2013) [-]
So people enjoying a sport...completely invalidates the fact innocent people are being killed. Good Logic.
User avatar #87 to #66 - iamslender (01/24/2013) [-]
People who enjoy the sport get the guns legally, think about all the criminals who get the guns illegally....
User avatar #64 - corundum (01/24/2013) [-]
I hate these arguments. Are people like this genuinely supporting the cause of gun rights, or trying to undermine it? Guns are built to kill people. Cut out this "guns don't kill people" ******** and try thinking for once.
User avatar #56 - Jackimole (01/24/2013) [-]
This is one of the stupidest gun arguments I've seen. There are plenty of valid ones to choose from, why this ******** OP?
User avatar #53 - ivoryhammer (01/24/2013) [-]
Because a baseball bat can't kill someone 200+ yards away with a pull of a trigger.
Seriously, these gun posts are ******* stupid, stop posting them, you're not going to change anything by posting on this ****** site.
#311 to #53 - dirtyharold (01/27/2013) [-]
you can bring a baseball bat anywhere in your car almost anywhere
User avatar #229 to #53 - DamnTrolls (01/25/2013) [-]
you're obviously not using your baseball bat right then
User avatar #47 - DivineInfinity (01/24/2013) [-]
Where are the millions of deaths caused by marijuana?
#48 to #47 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
I FOUND A FAGGOT I REPEAT I FOUND A FAGGOT!!!!!!
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#45 - rety (01/24/2013) [-]
That moment When I log into my account just to let the euro-fags know we're better than them.

User avatar #68 to #45 - KayakGod (01/24/2013) [-]
Funny how you haven't been back. And you owe your existence to those "euro fags".....By the way, we want our language back! You ruined it...
#65 to #45 - mundaneaion (01/24/2013) [-]
Better how? Counting Europe as one entity, it is more powerful, safer and wealthier than your joke of a country. And yes, power means military strength. if all 50 member states of Europe combined their armies it'd be 5 or 6 times the size of yours.

Come at us.
#50 to #45 - arandomanon (01/24/2013) [-]
I'm from Spain, I alredy know everyone's better than us. Your argument is invalid.
But we will always have our Inquisition.
#59 to #50 - therobsorensen (01/24/2013) [-]
Monty Python!
#62 to #59 - arandomanon (01/24/2013) [-]
I love them
I love them
User avatar #51 to #50 - thejerseyjenn (01/24/2013) [-]
and your soccer team
#54 to #51 - arandomanon (01/24/2013) [-]
Certainly.

It's football...
User avatar #70 to #54 - thejerseyjenn (01/24/2013) [-]
I'm sorry I'm an American! It's just how we do things here! Here football is the thing with the egg shaped brown thing.
#74 to #70 - arandomanon (01/24/2013) [-]
I know, no worries. It's just, as eurofag, I had to correct it. Don't hate me.
User avatar #141 to #74 - thejerseyjenn (01/24/2013) [-]
I don't hate you. I'm just a little disappointed.
#44 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Notice that the graphic compares accidental deaths to gun HOMICIDE.

"In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. Of the 30,470 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2010, 19,392 (63.6%) were suicide deaths, and 11,078 (36.4%) homicide deaths"

That's 30K gun deaths and 75K gun injuries annually. If we assume the graphic is for the same year (and that it wasn't just made up NRA ********* which is pretty doubtful) that would make guns almost as deadly as ******* CAR CRASHES. That is absolute madness.
User avatar #57 to #44 - bronynexgen (01/24/2013) [-]
Sources?
#60 to #57 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
WIKI

GunviolenceintheUnited_States
#46 to #44 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Yes, thumb me down. Better the lies you want to believe than the truth, eh?
#178 to #46 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
We thumbed you down because youre completely misusing data, you retard. If a person is set on committing suicide and they dont have a gun, that's not going to stop them.
#43 - tylosaurus ONLINE (01/24/2013) [-]
Because baseball bats are used for other things.
Because you can't murder an entire school/class with a baseball bat. Atleast the chances are low as **** compared to firearms.
User avatar #42 - lmOldGreg (01/24/2013) [-]
Hurrr Durrr why not ban AIDS!?!

All that cholesterol seems to inhibit the average American's brain cells.
User avatar #41 - FLCLol (01/24/2013) [-]
they used this angle in the film thank you for smoking
#39 - skaife (01/24/2013) [-]
I honestly think you guys (America) have backed yourself into a corner and I see no easy way out. One thing is certain, and that is if no one ever had guns, less crime related death would happen. Not up for debate. But there is no way you guys will give them up now, and the last people to give them up are the ones who seek to hurt people with them, through "Defence" or just crime. Meh, escalation gives me a headache.
User avatar #78 to #39 - GBird (01/24/2013) [-]
America was founded using guns and the 2nd amendment is a safeguard against our own gov't. It's there for a reason. I'm not a crazy fanatic; I'm just pointing out historical fact.
#165 to #78 - skaife (01/24/2013) [-]
I know, but that said amendment has solidified your 1st place int the violent gun crime in one of the most developed country award. I don't know man.
User avatar #58 to #39 - rosietheamazon (01/24/2013) [-]
as an american...
i didn't do **** .
i just live here.
User avatar #32 - markeywo (01/24/2013) [-]
Okay people, work this one out. Why would you need a gun? You have no reason, unless for hunting or sport reasons.
In which case you do, why would you need an automatic one? Simple answer, you don't.
Yes, I'm sure you can come up with some figures in you're favour, but nothing lets you kill more people faster than an automatic/semi-automatic weapon. By all means, own a gun, but you only should have it for the right reasons with the right precautions.
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#34 to #32 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
1. We don't NEED pretty much everything we have.
2.Homemade bombs in oklahoma killed more people than any mass shooting.
User avatar #35 to #34 - markeywo (01/24/2013) [-]
1. Pretty much you have wasn't created with the intention of killing things as fast as possible.
2. Yes they are, and guess what? Bombs are illegal ******* .
#37 to #35 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
1. So regardless of how many people it kills as long as it wasn't originally used for killing it's okay?
2. And yet you can go to a home depo and make one big enough to level a building.
User avatar #36 to #35 - markeywo (01/24/2013) [-]
Apologies, 'Yes they did'*.
My bad :)
User avatar #28 - thekillerwalrus (01/24/2013) [-]
Is it me or does that graph someone look like a gun?
#23 - anonymoose ONLINE (01/24/2013) [-]
Because a baseball bats only use isn't "KILL MURDER KILL".

Since 2010, there have been 29 recorded school shootings in the United States and 1 in Europe. Guess which one of those two places has tighter gun control.

[inb4 one's a country the other's a continent. They're both fairly similar land mass sizes and population]
#80 to #23 - animationhac ONLINE (01/24/2013) [-]
Isn't Europe a bit upset with their gun laws now though? I read somewhere that there is still conflict... Sides, gun control doesn't help limit illegal acts. Guns will still be here. Criminals will still find a way. I am not being an ass or anything... Just guns are used for sport (IE. Hunting, target hitting, ect)... Just people use them wrong... Like baseball bats... I am not wanting to ensue an argument at all! I just want you to understand that at the moment, Europe is till going through a lot even with the gun law. People still hurt and kill with bats today like guns. Both items used for sport.    
   
Just up right and blaming guns isn't the solution. Maybe controlling who gets a gun better maybe. Like... medical tests to make sure you're healthy enough... I don't know. I just don't enjoy an object being the blame for something a unfit being did...   
   
I hope this is understandable and not going to send someone off on a big mean wall of text.
Isn't Europe a bit upset with their gun laws now though? I read somewhere that there is still conflict... Sides, gun control doesn't help limit illegal acts. Guns will still be here. Criminals will still find a way. I am not being an ass or anything... Just guns are used for sport (IE. Hunting, target hitting, ect)... Just people use them wrong... Like baseball bats... I am not wanting to ensue an argument at all! I just want you to understand that at the moment, Europe is till going through a lot even with the gun law. People still hurt and kill with bats today like guns. Both items used for sport.

Just up right and blaming guns isn't the solution. Maybe controlling who gets a gun better maybe. Like... medical tests to make sure you're healthy enough... I don't know. I just don't enjoy an object being the blame for something a unfit being did...

I hope this is understandable and not going to send someone off on a big mean wall of text.
User avatar #79 to #23 - GBird (01/24/2013) [-]
American's have a completely different psychology than any other European country.
#26 to #23 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Except bats original purpose was to kill, people also use it for sport just as guns are used in sport. And guess where nearly all the shootings took place "Gun free zones" US statistics show that when gun control is enacted here more people get robbed, killed, and raped, and when they lax them the numbers drop.
User avatar #33 to #26 - markeywo (01/24/2013) [-]
Yes, but nowadays a bat is commonly used in a little known sport known as baseball, which is case you didn't notice is a little more popular than shooting based events.

Also, most events require single shot sporting guns.
#38 to #33 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
So if something is popular we should allow it? Millions hunt and target shoot, by this logic that should be allowed. And no, there are a variety of shooting competitions almost none of which use single shots.
User avatar #27 to #26 - anonymoose ONLINE (01/24/2013) [-]
Americans need to realize that making a new law doesn't make it instantly 100% take effect. For big laws like this, banning guns will probably be ineffective for a few years, then will be better in the long run. America is too concerned with right now.

Yes, bats were used to kill, thousands of years ago. We're talking about a thing that was made with a primary use that is for sports.
A guns primary use is to fire a deadly piece of metal to most likely kill, harm or injure.
#30 to #27 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Except the so called "assault weapons" everyone is talking about banning are primarily sporting rifles, the places that sell them even label them sporting rifles. Also the gun bans lasted 10 plus years, long enough to gather substantial data.
#15 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
You americans are BEYOOOND stupid.

Why would you let ANYONE carry a device that can end a person's life in a milisecond?

All your PRO arguments are complete and utter **** .

Actually, I ******* hope they let the guns be free for all because you americans are a prime example of natural selection.

11k death annually due to guns, are you ******* kidding me...
User avatar #176 to #15 - fredthemilkman (01/24/2013) [-]

I'm sure if somebody were to break into your house with the soul intention of hurting you or one of your loved ones, you would wish you had a gun.
It's better to be safe than sorry.
And it's not like we're not going to have any guns in America. I live in Texas, which is north of Mexico. Mexicans illegally import guns every day. Banning guns won't stop it.
User avatar #82 to #15 - GBird (01/24/2013) [-]
Who cares. Guns will always be around. It is not going to change a thing what Obama does. It's written in the constitution, therefore it will almost never be changed. The only repeal there has ever been for an amendment was prohibition.
User avatar #55 to #15 - ivoryhammer (01/24/2013) [-]
Don't lob us all Americans in with the stupid ass rednecks who tote their guns around.
#17 to #15 - Helle (01/24/2013) [-]
the how come other countries have about the same homocide rate and they dont have guns?
#21 to #17 - ichtus (01/24/2013) [-]
The answer is quite obvious if you look at the list of countries by intentional homicide rate, for instance on wikipedia. One might notice that all countries with a higher homocide rate than the U.S have a living standard way below the level of the U.S., which implies higher crime rates and hence more homicide victims. If we look at the top ten list of countries by human development index (on which the U.S. scores fourth) we notice that all countries have a way lower homicide rate.

As for the chart: one should be extremely cautious not to compare the orange/green bars with the blue bars. It is not about reducing death, it is about reducing intentional murder (i.e. not the self-inflicted or unintenional ones).

Furthermore, it is commonly accepted that weapons meant for killing make society more dangerous, even if the weapon is originally meant for self-defence.

Lastly, while I happen to agree with a lot of the statements of moderate opponents of increased gun regulation, I am quite positive that a thougtful dialogue about the social effects of widespread gun ownership will eventually lead to less dramatic deaths.
#22 to #21 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Axes original use was for killing as were bats, ban those too?
#29 to #22 - ichtus (01/24/2013) [-]
I tend to disagree: axes were originally developed for sharpening sticks, which in turn were used as weapons. But that is most certainly not the point. In the eyes of most modern humans, axes are meant for cutting wood or shaping tools. Guns have the image of a murder weapon, no matter how often it is used for sports, and the psychological step from owning a gun to using a gun to harm others (including in self-defense) will consequently be much smaller.
I would very much like to remind you that I am not a proponent of banning guns from society completely. I have no need to deny people access to their preferred sports, but I do think guns are to prevalent in the American society.
#31 to #29 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
Just because some people are ignorant about guns doesn't warrant regulation, and the data shows otherwise as more people use the weapon that people see as a non weapon.
#16 to #15 - 4chan refugee (01/24/2013) [-]
And 2 million incidents per year where someone used a gun to defend themselves. And the 11k includes suicides, self defense, and police using their weapons.
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