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#86 - maxoverderp (01/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, I love Dr. Tyson very very much, but this is one of his quotes that I take issue with, because it is a fallacy.

We don't find worms uninteresting because they are "stupid," we find worms uninteresting because they are commonplace and "stupid," or at least because the level of interaction one can have with a worm is relatively minuscule. If you only saw a worm-like creature every hundred thousand light-years, I am willing to wager that it would be slightly more interesting.

And indeed, even though worms are stupid and commonplace, there are still people who study them in order to learn more about them.

Again, I love Dr. Tyson, and I very much see the point he is trying to make, but this is a false comparison.
User avatar #207 to #86 - bulbakip (01/22/2013) [-]
Why do you like him? he's like Carl Sagan but annoying. Actually he ripped off carl sagans quote about "Star Stuff".
User avatar #366 to #207 - maxoverderp (01/22/2013) [-]
Well I'm pretty sure he usually gives credit to Sagan where credit is due, as I have heard him do so several times.

I like him because I find him to be an excellent orator and conveyor of science fact amongst the general public.
#87 to #86 - shadowvision (01/22/2013) [-]
So we are stupid and commonplace to these things, his analogy holds, you just made it that much more powerful.
User avatar #89 to #87 - maxoverderp (01/22/2013) [-]
That's... that's not at all what I said?
#92 to #89 - shadowvision (01/22/2013) [-]
I think I need to clarify. If we are like worms to these beings, we, and things like us, are commonplace and stupid. Sure, some are likely to study a choice few worms, but not all of the worms are ever studied. The worm doesn't notice the beings either, and it is entirely possible that a hundred thousand light-years is equivalent to a few yards to us.
#85 - darkdragonswrath (01/22/2013) [-]
I guess that wasn't a smart quote cause still no aliens.
User avatar #80 - SnugglyWuggly (01/22/2013) [-]
No intelligent sign of life so far.
#77 - hankhillofthe ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
Are you fucking kidding?

I spent like 2 hours yesterday thinking about/appreciating the advancements of thousands of years of man's technology because I was STARING AT THE LINOLEUM FLOOR OF MY KITCHEN WONDERING HOW THE FUCK WE MADE IT.

OF COURSE I THINK ABOUT WHAT WORMS THINK!
User avatar #72 - kinglobster (01/22/2013) [-]
you didnt make this? I NEVER would have guessed that.
#54 - hudspud (01/22/2013) [-]
Right after I read about a tapeworm being ripped from someones ass by a penis.......
#224 to #54 - blackmanrollipolli (01/22/2013) [-]
so uhh where did you read this... you know... for science reasons...
#372 to #224 - hudspud (01/23/2013) [-]
It was a 4chan post on here I read just before I saw this content. Unfortunately the two no longer line up so here's the post. I apologize in advance for you reading this.
#216 to #54 - anonymous (01/22/2013) [-]
wonder what that tapeworm was thinking right about then....
User avatar #52 - natedizzie (01/22/2013) [-]
but what if it's the opposite the animals are the smart ones and refuse to communicate with us
User avatar #46 - lulzdealer ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
we can't get disheartened though. i mean, humans are still a pretty young species.
User avatar #60 to #46 - sixsicsix (01/22/2013) [-]
Thumb'd because Vinyl
User avatar #73 to #60 - lulzdealer ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
i'd thumb you back up to zero if i could
User avatar #75 to #73 - sixsicsix (01/22/2013) [-]
Haters gon' hate.
User avatar #68 to #60 - couriersix (01/22/2013) [-]
always a good raisin to thumb
#71 to #68 - anonymous (01/22/2013) [-]
............*reason.........maybe that's why aliens don't want to speak with us......
User avatar #76 to #71 - couriersix (01/22/2013) [-]
anon I intentionally said raisin because If you played Fallout: New Vegas, specifically the DLC Old World Blues if you think fallout 3 is better GO F YOURSELF. But, I digress if you played the DLC, Doctor Mobius uses the word raisin instead of reason. If you look at my username you'll see why I made the joke.
User avatar #79 to #76 - sixsicsix (01/22/2013) [-]
I got the joke mate.
User avatar #82 to #81 - sixsicsix (01/22/2013) [-]
I love you.
#42 - ericzxvc (01/22/2013) [-]
It's a cool thought but it doesn't make any sense under the slightest scrutiny. A worm is not even capable of independent thought, it can't think, nor can it communicate. We don't try to communicate with worms because we are fully aware they are unable of doing so even to their own kind. It's also not true to say we ignore worms, there are people who have studied worms very thoroughly and because of these rigorous studies we have all the information we need to know already. If we discovered another species, no matter how stupid, we would study it and figure out if it was capable of any communication whatsoever, because we have NEVER ignored anything in the history of people.
It's a cool thought but it doesn't make any sense under the slightest scrutiny. A worm is not even capable of independent thought, it can't think, nor can it communicate. We don't try to communicate with worms because we are fully aware they are unable of doing so even to their own kind. It's also not true to say we ignore worms, there are people who have studied worms very thoroughly and because of these rigorous studies we have all the information we need to know already. If we discovered another species, no matter how stupid, we would study it and figure out if it was capable of any communication whatsoever, because we have NEVER ignored anything in the history of people.
#160 to #42 - anonymous (01/22/2013) [-]
Worms aren't capable of independent thought, but what if we aren't capable of another form of thought the aliens have?
There's also the possibility it might not be profitable for them to research us, that they dismisses us entirely, like we do to small organisms,
"there are so many, none of them have the thought we seek, why investigate yet another one?" the aliens think in their light-speed spaceship.

Also, your gif pisses me off for some reason.
User avatar #69 to #42 - supamario (01/22/2013) [-]
well what hes saying is that we look at worms that way because we know that they are so far beneath us on a biological level that it is impossible for either of us to perceive communication. Neil says that it is very possible that other lifeforms have done the same to use because we are a worm to them.
User avatar #78 to #69 - ericzxvc (01/22/2013) [-]
He says that we have ignored worms, but we haven't in the slightest. We interact with them all the time and have studied them enough to know their capability of intelligence and communication. He is completely wrong when he says that we "ignore worms". We cannot perceive communication because we ARE AWARE that worms cannot communicate, and we have also TRIED to communicate.
If alien life were discover and study us they would easily see that we were capable of communication and had the capability for intelligent thought.
No matter how much more intelligent a species is, at some point they remember being at the stage of us and therefore realize that we are intelligent. We do not remember being at a worms stage because we were not intelligent enough to realize it nor record history of it. We have been recording history for a long time before us and will continue to do so, and because the alien species must have traveled through our intelligence level on their way to their super intelligence they are completely aware of the fact that we are intelligent because they have recorded history of it.
User avatar #83 to #78 - supamario (01/22/2013) [-]
Well worms are capable of communication, just not in anyway that we could understand. Neil is saying that the same is true for extra terrestrial forms about us.
User avatar #84 to #83 - ericzxvc (01/22/2013) [-]
NO THEY AREN'T. THEY FUNCTION ON BASIC INSTINCTS, THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF COMMUNICATION. And all of their instinctual primitive communication WE CAN UNDERSTAND, we can interpret 100% of what a worm does we know what scents trigger what, and all the behavior of a worm means. We in no way "do not understand" a worm.
Stop being so ignorant.
User avatar #88 to #84 - supamario (01/22/2013) [-]
Ignorance is a funny word. What I mean is that we have zero clue how a worm measures intelligence. As far as the term intelligence goes, its quite relative. Basic instinct also varies from species to species, for us that means acting without 'reason', for a worm that could mean something totally different. A dog doesn't sit because it understands the command, it has just come to associate our complacency to that response with that sound. Similarly if an alien were to exam humankind right now and they were vastly different from us on a chemical scale, there would be absolutely zero reason for them to consider us intelligent by their standards because we react differently than they could conceive. ergo worm
#100 to #88 - ericzxvc (01/22/2013) [-]
We know EXACTLY how a worm's brain functions, we can evaluate its intelligence PURELY on that, and we KNOW it is not capable of intelligence.
WE DO NOT IGNORE WORMS, he based his entire statement on that and IT'S NOT TRUE therefore his statement IS NOT TRUE.
A worm performs functions chemically EXACTLY like us, WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, we can CONCEIVE it. A WORM DOESN'T MEASURE INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE ITS BRAIN CAN'T THINK.
Any alien life could determine we were intelligent because WE USE TOOLS, WE BUILT FUCKING SPACESHIPS AND FLEW INTO SPACE, ANY ALIEN LIFE COULD SEE THAT. IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO SEE THAT AS INTELLIGENT THEY THEMSELVES ARE NOT SUPER-INTELLIGENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY INTELLIGENT.
IF WE FLEW TO ANOTHER PLANET AND FOUND "STUPID" WORMS WE SURE AS WELL WOULDN'T IGNORE THEM, WE'D INTERACT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.

You must be trolling because it is not possible for somebody to be this stupid, and at this point I'm just embarrassed for letting it take so much of my time.
User avatar #111 to #100 - supamario (01/22/2013) [-]
There is no universal definition for intelligence. What you think of as intelligence and what the entire human race thinks of as intelligent, only applies to the human race.

You cannot take the standards of one species and apply it to the next, a worm is not in anyway close to being a human but it can think, all living things can think. It is entirely ignorant and scientifically irresponsible to say that because a worm does not use tools or make things that is intelligent.

Whoop-dee-doo we made it to an object outside of our historical domain. Another lifeform might see that and say "Oh look at how primitive they are, they haven't made it out of their system yet". If we went to a planet and found worms that were stupid compared to the ones on earth, then +1 for science. Then subtract that for attempting to even think that the two species are remotely similar. Even humans view intelligence differently, the autistic are viewed by most as nothing more than helpless children that can't grow up, but to an autistic person you might be the most infuriatingly stupid person in the universe.

Think of it this way, if we had never created a form of communication with Stephen Hawking, would he still be a genius?
#31 - anonymous (01/22/2013) [-]
if it was that tapeworm from that last post then no i would FUCKING DESTROY IT.
#47 to #31 - xatrainx (01/22/2013) [-]
What do you think happened to the dinosaurs?
User avatar #32 to #31 - instalation ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
shit you saw that one too?
User avatar #37 to #26 - robotvoice (01/22/2013) [-]
thank you for sharing that with me.
User avatar #39 to #37 - robotvoice (01/22/2013) [-]
got anything else like it?
#40 to #39 - aBlindMoron (01/22/2013) [-]
Actually, yes
#51 to #40 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (01/22/2013) [-]
Dude, you've lurked HFY threads as well? Respect, man. It's hard to do HFY right though. Too often it comes out as just humanity being the bestest at everything. Have you read the HFY series "The Veil?"
User avatar #53 to #51 - aBlindMoron (01/22/2013) [-]
I don't think I've read The Veil. Got a link?
#67 to #53 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (01/22/2013) [-]
There we are. Posted the lot.
User avatar #123 to #67 - giguelingueling (01/22/2013) [-]
Nice, anything else like that ?
#55 to #53 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (01/22/2013) [-]
Nah, it's just a series of unrelated stories in the same universe. COMMENCING DUMP.
#64 to #63 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (01/22/2013) [-]
9 - oh man, I haven't read these in forever.
#66 to #65 - IAMDIZZYONFANTA (01/22/2013) [-]
11, and that's the lot.
#25 - comehonorfacetwice (01/22/2013) [-]
To be totally honest, sometimes I feel like there is very little intelligent life on this planet anymore. I know there is, but the percentage of people doing relevant, truly genius things with their lives is so small compared to the percentage of people who mindlessly do the work they are told to do.
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User avatar #30 to #25 - odium (01/22/2013) [-]
You misunderstand the concept of intelligence.

Intelligence isn't dependent on what you're doing with it. If you're intelligent, you're intelligent. I could be the most intelligent man in the world, and still be working for minimum wage, at a completely pointless job. Is it likely? No. But don't confuse a person's drive and ingenuity for intelligence.

Anyway - What is infinitely more important than intelligence, is imagination. You can do anything you can imagine.
User avatar #28 to #25 - gammajk (01/22/2013) [-]
And what exactly are YOU doing?
#29 to #28 - comehonorfacetwice (01/22/2013) [-]
Trying to make it through college so I can become somebody who does something great.

I live near the Marcellus Shale fracking and have seen firsthand the destruction it causes. I'd like to make it a more environmentally feasible idea.
#23 - kobemamba (01/22/2013) [-]
Mice are the smartest beings on Earth
Mice are the smartest beings on Earth
User avatar #194 to #23 - cptfox (01/22/2013) [-]
hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?
User avatar #202 to #194 - kobemamba (01/22/2013) [-]
Yup
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#50 to #49 - hillbillypowpow (01/22/2013) [-]
I was never here
I was never here
User avatar #34 to #23 - ADTRNinja (01/22/2013) [-]
good thing that's not a mouse.
User avatar #36 to #34 - kobemamba (01/22/2013) [-]
Then what is it?
User avatar #38 to #36 - ADTRNinja (01/22/2013) [-]
a chinchilla...
User avatar #44 to #38 - kobemamba (01/22/2013) [-]
Yup my bad
User avatar #43 to #38 - kobemamba (01/22/2013) [-]
Maybe
User avatar #45 to #43 - ADTRNinja (01/22/2013) [-]
My father owns a petstore so..lol
User avatar #21 - itsoneam (01/22/2013) [-]
I wonder what animals think all the time.. especially those humans.
#19 - mrhiphopdancer (01/22/2013) [-]
**mrhiphopdancer rolled a random image posted in comment #2593849 at My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic ** this reminds me too much of the previous comic about the worm that came out of the girls ass
User avatar #20 to #13 - thisisspartah (01/22/2013) [-]
and there are 7 billion of us
#8 - allamericandude (01/21/2013) [-]
Well fuck, what more do those aliens want us to do? We're not exactly unintelligent. We're self-aware, for starters. We're not solely governed by instinct, like a worm. We've got electricity and computers and spacecraft. We're conducting experiments and doing mathematics to explain the nature of the universe. Even if it isn't the most advanced stuff in the universe, it's at least a sign of progress. If there are advanced alien species, they would have had to be at our level at some point. And if they really are so great, they would understand that fact and show some empathy.    
   
Tl;dr: The aliens he described are a bunch of elitist assholes.    
   
<This is what I'd say to the aliens.
Well fuck, what more do those aliens want us to do? We're not exactly unintelligent. We're self-aware, for starters. We're not solely governed by instinct, like a worm. We've got electricity and computers and spacecraft. We're conducting experiments and doing mathematics to explain the nature of the universe. Even if it isn't the most advanced stuff in the universe, it's at least a sign of progress. If there are advanced alien species, they would have had to be at our level at some point. And if they really are so great, they would understand that fact and show some empathy.

Tl;dr: The aliens he described are a bunch of elitist assholes.

<This is what I'd say to the aliens.
#163 to #8 - anonymous (01/22/2013) [-]
But that is because we live here. If ants think, they probably think the same as we do. We think we are superior to ants, does that make us "elitist assholes"?
User avatar #18 to #8 - fauxshores ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
Worms are way more advanced than a lot of species. They are multi cellular, have various different organs that are used for sensing their environment and have a much larger impact on their environment than single celled organisms. Being "Advanced" is completely relative. We look over those worms as if they are no more than just another creature, and im sure if they could, they would look over bacteria the same way.

Who is to say that an Alien who has the capability to travel to our solar system, travel faster than the speed of life and have a sprawling complex of homeworlds would see our "Technology" as impressive? We are just another self destructing race that hasnt figured out how to spread to another planet. We are worms to them.

#11 to #8 - kez (01/22/2013) [-]
If they are advanced enough to travel faster than the speed of light to be able to reach us then there are only two possible explanations.

1) They evolved into their species way way faster than us. In which case they would see us as extremely primitive

2) They are a way smarter species and so reached that technology way before us. In which case they would see us as extremely primitive and probably not even think of us as intelligent life
User avatar #12 to #11 - allamericandude (01/22/2013) [-]
But like I said, no matter when or how quickly they evolved, at some point they would have to have been at our level. And if they're so intelligent, they'd be able to understand that fact.
#14 to #12 - kez (01/22/2013) [-]
Yes but if they interacted with us. It would cause so much trouble as culture and technology go hand in hand and if suddenly we get all this mental technology, culture change would be so fast and ununiform. Not to mention all the different bacteria and virus' etc that would be common on their ship/them that could possibley kill us as we have no defence vs it

They would likely have some kind of galactic law on visiting lesser developed planets until they are deemed advanced enough.
User avatar #16 to #14 - allamericandude (01/22/2013) [-]
My point is that just because some alien civilization is super intelligent doesn't mean we aren't intelligent.
#17 to #16 - kez (01/22/2013) [-]
But if they are way more intelligent we wouldnt be intelligent to them.

Same way we dont think of cows as intelligent with their 30 or so IQ but do think apes and dolphins as intelligent with their 70 or so IQ.

Now imagine the aliens have an IQ of 400 and they compare themselves to us with an IQ of 100, they would think of us the same way we think of cows. If they are that smart their is a good chance other animals on their planet could possibley have IQs similar to us to which they think of them as unintelligent wild animals.
User avatar #24 to #17 - allamericandude (01/22/2013) [-]
And another thing: The only real way any aliens are going to find us is by locating our radio signals--which have been spewing out for the past century.

Worms don't build radios.
User avatar #22 to #17 - allamericandude (01/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, but cows aren't actively trying to make themselves smarter. Humans are. An advanced civilization should be able to recognize that.
User avatar #27 to #22 - mrmontombo (01/22/2013) [-]
Honestly, all we have proved is that we are self destructive. Its impossible to imagine what type of technology an alien civilization would have. Just think of how far we have come in the last 100 years. Think of how far we could be in another 100. Or even 200. Maybe they are 2000 years more evolved than us. Had an earlier start. If that's true, we are worms to them.
User avatar #35 to #27 - allamericandude (01/22/2013) [-]
"Honestly, all we have proved is that we are self destructive."

Sheesh, cynical much? And how can you say that when our population has exploded exponentially over the past few centuries? If an alien looked at our population growth, I don't think they would consider us self-destructive.
User avatar #140 to #35 - mrmontombo (01/22/2013) [-]
That's not what I meant. I meant that, to an external viewer, they might notice that we kill an awful lot of each other. If a society has a population growth of 100% in a period of time that doesnt mean they are successful. That means they are successful breeders. If your society gives birth to 100 kids but kills 80 adults, it looks pretty bad.
User avatar #137 to #35 - mcbee (01/22/2013) [-]
damn these humans must be laying like 40 eggs at once
#15 to #14 - kez (01/22/2013) [-]
Also thats not neccessarily true.

If they were super intelligent there is a good chance they would have skipped a lot of our technology. Like immedaitely gone from like egyptian times where they made homes out of the materials near them then immedaitely created and made machines etc when they got their like base of operations decided.
User avatar #9 to #8 - Nightelfbane (01/21/2013) [-]
i think he means that they are superior to us in an intellectual manner instead of technological

We are to them as a worm is to us
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User avatar #1 - satrenkotheone ONLINE (01/21/2013) [-]
But what is the worm thinking?
User avatar #304 to #1 - gnorfell (01/22/2013) [-]
Ask the Asian worms, bro.
User avatar #104 to #1 - Schadenfreude (01/22/2013) [-]
NO! I WANT TO GO BACK IN THE ANUS!
User avatar #6 to #1 - chrolt (01/21/2013) [-]
"If someone cuts me in half, would i have sex with my other half?"
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#365 to #5 - monkeybrains ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
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#331 to #5 - comicsguy (01/22/2013) [-]
Those are some pretty dirty thoughts
#308 to #5 - waffies ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
my favorite anon ever
#33 to #5 - instalation ONLINE (01/22/2013) [-]
Made my day.
Made my day.
#2 to #1 - idunnolol (01/21/2013) [-]
Inb4 Idunnolol
User avatar #3 to #2 - satrenkotheone ONLINE (01/21/2013) [-]
Nice username.

But really, what would a worm be thinking about? Physics? The meaning of life? If it will find food? If it will survive? Or does it not think?
User avatar #4 to #3 - idunnolol (01/21/2013) [-]
Survival I guess
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