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#142
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crazyhindu (01/22/2013) [-] what if, now bear with me here, what if we haven't come in contact with alien beings because they are at the same technological standpoint we are at and are wondering why they haven't been contacted by aliens yet
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
if i found a planet full of animals id definitely wanna go check that shit out
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rdangerdash (01/22/2013) [-] Are the aliens rally that smart though? I mean, they came to an alien planet with a vast array of creatures they have never seen before and decided that it wasn't worth their time. What is intelligent about abandoning the quest for knowledge?
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
Funny how FJ eats up anything that Neil deGrasse Tyson says without questioning a single thing.
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
or maybe we're the first species to be this advanced and all the other alien races are just tiny microbes and bacteria waiting to evolve into something of higher value.
#128
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kanatana (01/22/2013) [-] All respect to Neil, any passing intelligent species would be able to detect the QUADRILLIONS of gigs of raw data leaving Earth in the form of radio signals every hour, and if they stopped by Earth, they would see the obvious signs of life on its surface.
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kanatana (01/22/2013) [-] Hey, I didn't say they'd WANT to talk to us. They could be indifferent for all we know. But the point is, they'd RECOGNIZE us. Realize that we were here. And if we really are ants to them... well, a swarm of ants could pick a leopard to the bone in minutes, and humans are warriors. We are THE piranha of the universe.
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kanatana (01/22/2013) [-] You're the one that brought nukes and the Death Star up, two things that I know enough about. Now, listen here-- once you split the atom, you really don't have that far up the technological food chain to go. Sure, you can make them bigger and more efficient, but the basic technology will always be the same. The for has retained its shape for centuries now. Newtonian physics have remained constant for centuries. And let me tell you something-- any alien species that comes close enough for us to blow up WILL be blown up; if we want them to die, there really isn't anything that can keep us from going Ender Wiggen on them.
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kanatana (01/22/2013) [-] Ants don't have the capacity for higher learning. Humans do. Once you get high enough in the theoretical evolutionary chain, species across the board will almost inevitably had some parallels in the process. Radio, digital transmission, thermal signatures, etc, will be universal signs of intelligence. There is almost no way that a species that comes close enough to Earth will do so accidentally, and if they see us, they'll certainly see or detect artificial satellites in orbit.
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Kaoz **User deleted account** (01/22/2013) [-] your walking through a forest and you have an iphone, if you see someone using a walkie talkie does that mean your going to interact with him. he has intelligence and youve never seen him before but that doesn't mean you want to be friends.
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seantommy (01/22/2013) [-]
I think the major point here that you are missing (and that has been lost in this debate) is the idea that alien life COULD indeed detect us, but be so much more advanced than us that our current level of civilization and technology are trivial to them. For ants to create such a complex home as an ant hill clearly indicates intelligence, and knowledge of some form of architecture. That doesn't mean that they're significant enough for us to stop and study. If aliens of that much greater intelligence/more advanced technology found us, they could, and would, have far greater problems to deal with. Yes, ants show signs of intelligence. Yes, there is merit to studying them. We can also teach rudimentary sign language to monkeys. That doesn't mean it's high on our agenda.
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kanatana (01/22/2013) [-] That's a fair, logical, and well-thought out point, and I agree with you. But that DOESN'T mean that we are ants to any passing alien species. Conservative estimates of our growth as a species show us getting out of the solar system within two hundred years or so. We aren't that far behind anything else out there, really.
Basically, to sum up this entire thread, Ender's Game.
Basically, to sum up this entire thread, Ender's Game.
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seantommy (01/22/2013) [-]
Thumb for you for the Ender's Game shout out. I adhere to the belief that the chances of two separate intelligent species existing in the universe close enough together in space and time to actually communicate are astronomically small, and so we probably are, as far as "intelligent life" goes, alone in the universe. We can hope, though :)
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
they could anytime put us in a bucket of water and see what happens
#124
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ronyx (01/22/2013) [-] I'll pay more attention to worms, when they have built space rockets, nukes, advanced medicine, hookers, computers, androids, etc. Aliens would probably not pay attention to us if we were still cavemen, but now we have all these technology we have achieved so they would indeed acknowledge us.
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bendingeffects (01/22/2013) [-] And what minimal intelligence they observed is rapidly disappearing.
#116
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stizz **User deleted account** (01/22/2013) [-] I think this is a great idea, and not to discredit Neil at all, I love the dude BUT
We would at least acknowledge the worm's existence....we recognize the fact that a worm is there, moving, inching it's way along doing its wormy business.
You really think an alien race would pass us by, notice we have life that is at least somewhat intelligent, and just go on its way? No, they would at least acknowledge our existence too.
We would at least acknowledge the worm's existence....we recognize the fact that a worm is there, moving, inching it's way along doing its wormy business.
You really think an alien race would pass us by, notice we have life that is at least somewhat intelligent, and just go on its way? No, they would at least acknowledge our existence too.
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Zeigh (01/22/2013) [-] How often do you personally acknowledge the existence of a worm?
Sure you know they're there, but honestly, when was the last time you went around, looking for every little thing that moves and attempted to understand what they do and whether or not they're intelligent.
Aliens could just be flittin' on down to Alpha Centauri for the big party and think this is just some po dink place in the back water of the universe. They might think, "Oh hey, there's shit moving around on that little blue speck...meh, that party's gonna be pretty sweet."
Sure you know they're there, but honestly, when was the last time you went around, looking for every little thing that moves and attempted to understand what they do and whether or not they're intelligent.
Aliens could just be flittin' on down to Alpha Centauri for the big party and think this is just some po dink place in the back water of the universe. They might think, "Oh hey, there's shit moving around on that little blue speck...meh, that party's gonna be pretty sweet."
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Zeigh (01/22/2013) [-] You're assuming another intelligent life form would deem us as another intelligent life form.
What didn't you get about Neil's argument up there?
Assuming for a moment that there were a vastly superior life form orbiting the Earth right now. It's civilization got to a point where it can cross at the very least intergalactic expanses in a relatively short amount of time and make this voyage at least twice (to and from).
Why would it think this place had intelligent life?
What didn't you get about Neil's argument up there?
Assuming for a moment that there were a vastly superior life form orbiting the Earth right now. It's civilization got to a point where it can cross at the very least intergalactic expanses in a relatively short amount of time and make this voyage at least twice (to and from).
Why would it think this place had intelligent life?
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Zeigh (01/22/2013) [-] Why not?
Statistically speaking there are bound to be hundreds if not thousands of millions of planets with enormous ecosystems full of life at every corner, doesn't mean they're smart or that you should stop unless they have some purely scientific goal in mind in which case they might catalogue and do a little research.
Another thing. Why would they even stop here unless it were on route to their destination?
Statistically speaking there are bound to be hundreds if not thousands of millions of planets with enormous ecosystems full of life at every corner, doesn't mean they're smart or that you should stop unless they have some purely scientific goal in mind in which case they might catalogue and do a little research.
Another thing. Why would they even stop here unless it were on route to their destination?
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
I think the problem is when we use the word "intelligent life" we think of the definition of intelligence as defined by how smart we are. I think when dealing with other life forms we consider "intelligence" to mean consciousness, a trait that makes us humans so much more special than any other species we know of.
Surely an alien race will not pass up the opportunity to contact another CONSCIOUS species, because although we may not be as evolved as them, we can still acknowledge them as another conscious being. Our minds could never be equivalent to a worm on any scale.
Surely an alien race will not pass up the opportunity to contact another CONSCIOUS species, because although we may not be as evolved as them, we can still acknowledge them as another conscious being. Our minds could never be equivalent to a worm on any scale.
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Zeigh (01/22/2013) [-] I didn't say anything about landing, I said stop, that could mean in orbit, that could mean just close enough for whatever scanning device, w/e.
You're still assuming that we're worth receiving attention.
What Neil is postulating is that whatever aliens are possibly observing are think we're nothing more than worms, just a background life form not really worth their attention.
You still haven't answered my question of why an alien would stop and ponder the existence of humans.
You're still assuming that we're worth receiving attention.
What Neil is postulating is that whatever aliens are possibly observing are think we're nothing more than worms, just a background life form not really worth their attention.
You still haven't answered my question of why an alien would stop and ponder the existence of humans.
#114
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lolollo (01/22/2013) [-] Except that we only act that way because we know pretty much everything we'd want to know about worms, but before then, yes we did have interst in it. We picked it up, prodded it, even dissected it in our biology classes until we learned all we were interested in about worms. Only after that did we start acting like worms weren't worth the effort to pay attention to it. So yes, I do believe aliens HAVE studied us simply because it's what we would do, and have done to things that we found new.
Then again, it's also possible that these aliens could've studies us in a way that we wouldn't comprehend, making it where we would never know we were being studied.
Then again, it's also possible that these aliens could've studies us in a way that we wouldn't comprehend, making it where we would never know we were being studied.
#113
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nadastress (01/22/2013) [-] Well, inb4 shitstorm/red thumbs. This is why I believe in a God. Sorry but that's my true opinion.
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
what this post fails to observe is the setting. think about this: the average human being does not think about a worm on the ground because worms are commonplace here on earth. worms, however are not commonplace outside of the earth (as far as we know), so if scientists found a worm on pluto they sure as fuck would be interested in it.
if an alien species found earth, I'm sure the mere fact that is is inhabited by such a diverse amount of living organisms would make them stop. especially considering the human race. anyone who thinks that humans are stupid or we do not mean anything, think of all we have accomplished. we are conscious, sentient beings (the only kind we know of) and we have defined laws that govern the universe.
i once saw an image that told of what to do if you were the one to make first contact with aliens. one of the first things it said to do was draw and label an example of the pythagorean theory, as a species as advanced enough to contact us would understand such physical and mathematical laws. we may not understand how everything in the universe works, but we sure as hell understand some things, enough, i think, to steal a glance from another intelligent race.
if an alien species found earth, I'm sure the mere fact that is is inhabited by such a diverse amount of living organisms would make them stop. especially considering the human race. anyone who thinks that humans are stupid or we do not mean anything, think of all we have accomplished. we are conscious, sentient beings (the only kind we know of) and we have defined laws that govern the universe.
i once saw an image that told of what to do if you were the one to make first contact with aliens. one of the first things it said to do was draw and label an example of the pythagorean theory, as a species as advanced enough to contact us would understand such physical and mathematical laws. we may not understand how everything in the universe works, but we sure as hell understand some things, enough, i think, to steal a glance from another intelligent race.
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jokeface (01/22/2013) [-] Dammit Tyson...you were this close to talking about God...THIS CLOSE.
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
The concept That There is no other planet in the universe that is capable of sustaining life isnt terrifying, the fact that either all planets capable met with a horrible end and is no longer capable, or the fact that Earth is the sole planet capable of sustaining life.
This is terrifying to me, because what happens on the point in which earth has no more resources for us to use, Whether though a natural disaster or though the natural parasitic tendency of humans.
If we are alone, Human days are numbered, or legacy meaningless, no more then one more grain in time, our entire race only purpose to destroy the only life giving planet.
This is terrifying to me, because what happens on the point in which earth has no more resources for us to use, Whether though a natural disaster or though the natural parasitic tendency of humans.
If we are alone, Human days are numbered, or legacy meaningless, no more then one more grain in time, our entire race only purpose to destroy the only life giving planet.
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awesomenessdefined (01/22/2013) [-] There's a thing called terraforming. You make a planet capable of sustaining life. With Mars for example, you would have to heat up the atmosphere, release the carbon dioxide from the ice caps, create an ozone layer, plant vegetation, and wait for it to become earth like. So we can just go from planet to planet until the stars burn out.
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N. Korean citizen (01/22/2013) [-]
To anyone who says that it's different because humans are somewhat intelligent/have the ability to communicate/aren't governed completely by instinct should think about it a little differently. If the worm cannot comprehend human thought processes, than how can we comprehend and advances species thought processes? If worms understood our thought processes, than you would see worms, or any animal really, using forms of technology and advanced forms of communication. If we were to understand why these higher beings have no interest in us, it may be because we can't comprehend why. We're like the kid with a mental disability that doesn't understand why he has to keep his pants up while he uses the urinal.
#93
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imonaboatman (01/22/2013) [-] Honestly, if I were another species passing by Earth and knew what its people were like, I'd overlook it as well. We are pretty damn retarded, as a whole.
And there's BILLIONS of other planets out there. To say we're the only species is incredibly ignorant.
And there's BILLIONS of other planets out there. To say we're the only species is incredibly ignorant.
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themoe (01/22/2013) [-]
If there were aliens close enough for us to observe than the theory would hold. But the smallest signs of life we've observed are many light years away meaning that if there are aliens out there (which we cant observe by this point because the distance). They wouldn't be able to conclude correctly weather we have intelligent lifeform or not. They would be seeing the earth with dinosaurs or even earlier than that.
So we just have to wait.... couple of million-billions of years
So we just have to wait.... couple of million-billions of years
