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User avatar #94760 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/23/2014) [-]
How would you all feel if you found out that a major aspect if not your entire life was just one big psycho-experiment?
User avatar #94780 to #94760 - cognosceteipsum (11/23/2014) [-]
Happy.if then, all the bad shit that has been happening to me was just not real.
#94778 to #94760 - John Cena (11/23/2014) [-]
pretty good
then I could justify killing myself
User avatar #94771 to #94760 - Sethorein (11/23/2014) [-]
I'd be fucking impressed and submit my CV to the supervisor.
User avatar #94762 to #94760 - feelythefeel (11/23/2014) [-]
Hopeful that Social Marxism doesn't actually exist and that it was just something they thought up to test me.
User avatar #94767 to #94762 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/23/2014) [-]
I love this change your having.
User avatar #94764 to #94762 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/23/2014) [-]
What is social marxism? Ive hear the term but never looked it up
#94769 to #94764 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/23/2014) [-]
destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.ca/2013/01/what-is-cultural-marxism.html

"Cultural Marxism: An offshoot of Marxism that gave birth to political correctness, multiculturalism and "anti-racism." Unlike traditional Marxism that focuses on economics, Cultural Marxism focuses on culture and maintains that all human behavior is a result of culture (not heredity / race) and thus malleable. Cultural Marxists absurdly deny the biological reality of gender and race and argue that gender and race are “social constructs”. Nonetheless, Cultural Marxists support the race-based identity politics of non-whites. Cultural Marxists typically support race-based affirmative action, the proposition state (as opposed to a nation rooted in common ancestry), elevating non-Western religions above Western religions, speech codes and censorship, multiculturalism, diversity training, anti-Western education curricula, maladaptive sexual norms and anti-male feminism, the dispossession of white people, and mass Third World immigration into Western countries. Cultural Marxists have promoted idea that white people, instead of birthing white babies, should interracially marry or adopt non-white children. Samuel P. Huntington maintained that Cultural Marxism is an anti-white ideology. "
User avatar #94761 to #94760 - whatley ONLINE (11/23/2014) [-]
Curious.
User avatar #94740 - feelythefeel (11/21/2014) [-]
Have mercy upon those who sin beyond their own control, but suffer not those without excuse.
#94724 - ribocoon (11/21/2014) [-]
Maybe we should just all get along
User avatar #94733 to #94724 - feelythefeel (11/21/2014) [-]
You're right, we need to focus on the real problem here.


Furries.
User avatar #94737 to #94735 - feelythefeel (11/21/2014) [-]
lol no degenerate
User avatar #94725 to #94724 - fuckyouthatswhy (11/21/2014) [-]
yeah I would like that
User avatar #94723 - fuckyouthatswhy (11/21/2014) [-]
I miss Omar
User avatar #94727 to #94723 - marinepenguin (11/21/2014) [-]
I like it here without him.
User avatar #94628 - ecomp (11/21/2014) [-]
How Not To Defend Atheism >jewish
>athiest
>gay
>autistic
can you get any more degenerate?
User avatar #94736 to #94628 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
This is basically my generation in a fucking nutshell.
User avatar #94720 to #94628 - ribocoon (11/21/2014) [-]
I've seen this video floating around for a while
Still honestly not sure if he's serious or not
Still haven't been able to make it to the end because cringe
User avatar #94710 to #94628 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
HAHAHAHAHAH I found Omar in the comments section. No shit.
User avatar #94711 to #94710 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
The big comment by "itsnotaboutme", expand and the shekelstein guy used to be Omar.
User avatar #94638 to #94628 - ecomp (11/21/2014) [-]
How Not To Defend Atheism
uncensored version

>he actually uses the word "goyim"
User avatar #94706 to #94638 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
jesus christ, I've seen it before but I never recognized him say the "dirty goyim" part.
#94636 to #94628 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
he is the embodiement of the average user on this broad
User avatar #94630 to #94628 - ecomp (11/21/2014) [-]
also feminist
User avatar #94562 - cleverguy (11/21/2014) [-]
do religious people still doubt evolution? what about abiogenesis?
User avatar #94691 to #94562 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Im bill nye's worse nightmare.

I believe humans and certain dinosaurs lived at the same time lol
User avatar #94715 to #94691 - cleverguy (11/21/2014) [-]
are you serious?
User avatar #94718 to #94715 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
and dont try to goad me into a pointless discussion either.

Just call me stulid and move on
User avatar #94757 to #94718 - drooms ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
So you're retarded?
Yeah I'll move on
User avatar #94759 to #94757 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/23/2014) [-]
Lol sure.
User avatar #94717 to #94715 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Dead ass.
The thing that makes me.different is that i use common damn sense along with scientific doctrines to support my belief.

Id love to explain it but explaining it to thkse who are strong in their beliefs is like talking to a brick wall made of ground up happyfeet elders

Inb4 copout

I really dont feel like it.
User avatar #94750 to #94717 - cleverguy (11/22/2014) [-]
you've gotta be kidding
User avatar #94745 to #94717 - christmouth ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
Or that you just leave out parts of scientific doctrines that conflict with your beliefs?
User avatar #94746 to #94745 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/22/2014) [-]
....no....
why would i do that?
User avatar #94747 to #94746 - christmouth ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
Because that's essentially what you're doing, when you say that dinosaurs and humans co-existed.
User avatar #94748 to #94747 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/22/2014) [-]
Sure, you can think that.
User avatar #94722 to #94717 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
Where did you get your doctorate and why do you think you know so much more than your fellow scientists?
User avatar #94621 to #94562 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
Only americans.
User avatar #94751 to #94621 - Conquistador (11/22/2014) [-]
Not even. Most religious people here still think evolution is right.
User avatar #94753 to #94751 - teoragnar (11/22/2014) [-]
I'm not talking about this board, YEC is actually quite unique only to the USA.
User avatar #94755 to #94754 - teoragnar (11/22/2014) [-]
Young Earth Creationism.
You know, biblical literalism.
User avatar #94756 to #94755 - Conquistador (11/22/2014) [-]
Oh. I actually rarely hear about it.
User avatar #94729 to #94621 - holybatman (11/21/2014) [-]
As much as I hate the American hate spewed on this site, you're right. Religious Americans are the dumbest motherfuckers....
#94570 to #94562 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
evolution is racist, oy vey shut it donw we are all equal :^)
#94611 to #94572 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
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User avatar #94714 to #94611 - cleverguy (11/21/2014) [-]
lol what the fuck i hope that's satirical
User avatar #94627 to #94611 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
...if sex were a social construct everyone would be born male... I mean, who the fuck would want a daughter? We'd repress that social expression super quick
User avatar #94616 to #94611 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
Isn't darkmatter this atheist on youtube?
User avatar #94708 to #94616 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
You are thinking of DarkMatter2025. I doubt it's him, he isn't retarded enough and I'm sure a lot of people have darkmatter in their name
User avatar #94709 to #94708 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
I already checked after typing that.
#94619 to #94616 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
stop opressing us
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User avatar #94550 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
why is it that its okay for religious people to preach their shit and shove it in people's faces but when someone uses scientific reasoning to oppose their claims and start making sense, they immediately close their ears?
User avatar #94692 to #94550 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
LOL!!!!!!

Bruh, you know the answer to this
User avatar #94640 to #94550 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
Missonary work doesn't infringe anyone's rights, but how people do missionary work is a completely different subject.

"but when someone uses scientific reasoning to oppose their claims and start making sense"
Oh boy, I can't wait for you to show me how you want to justify saying that.
Also if you're only talking about creationism then you don't even need to respond.
#94588 to #94550 - Valid (11/21/2014) [-]
it's not
these overly-religious people just think it is
User avatar #94589 to #94588 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
You always see when atheists have shows about science or about atheism, they allow religious callers and debate then and the hosts don't say "no you're wrong!" and get angry and hang up on them. a lot of christian shows are not open to atheist callers and hang up on people that oppose it.
#94596 to #94589 - Valid (11/21/2014) [-]
You're generalizing the entire religious population to those who fit that description.
The same can also be said about a lot of atheists, they just bash religion just because they think it's "silly", just like how religious people think that atheist remarks are not worth listening to
User avatar #94579 to #94550 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
because philosophy is fun?

Also cause of the inherent connotation of the presentation of your ideas.

Religious folks are sharing their faith. They're trying to make you happy. Atheists trying to shut them down are trying to shit on their faith. They're trying to make you more scientifically valid at the expense of your happiness. At the end of the day, people prefer to be happy, eh?
User avatar #94583 to #94579 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
So your opinion is religion = happy, atheism = sad. am i mistaken?
I don't see atheism as a ticket into depression, but rather joy and wonder of the universe we live it. atheists believe this is possibly our only shot at life and theres nothing after so we make the most of waht we have, we choose to live our lives to the fullest and try to discover and learn what we can while we can.
what does religion do? tells you to get in line and believe what we believe or you're going to hell. you find this activity fun? too bad, its hell worthy. you don't wanna go to hell do you? then you better do what i tell you to do and live life how i want you to.
#94698 to #94583 - John Cena (11/21/2014) [-]
>we choose to live our lives to the fullest
>spends time on this board
User avatar #94699 to #94698 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Kill yourself retard
#94743 to #94699 - youregaylol (11/22/2014) [-]
get smashed kid
get smashed kid
User avatar #94744 to #94743 - kattr (11/22/2014) [-]
wat
User avatar #94693 to #94583 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Dude, the atheists came to this board talking shit
the british faggot and homo the outlaw are prime examples.

A damn microcosm this board is
User avatar #94697 to #94693 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Who are u
User avatar #94703 to #94697 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Just one of fjs oldest visitors.
User avatar #94742 to #94703 - youregaylol (11/22/2014) [-]
>you
>old
User avatar #94704 to #94703 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
yucky head
User avatar #94585 to #94583 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
That's a strawman in its finest.

I was explaining that the connotation of the action is good vs. bad.

Spreading religion -> express purpose to try to make the acted upon person happy
Shitting on religion -> express purpose to try to make a religious person sad.

Please don't misrepresent my arguments so you can spew the same fedoracore bullshit all internet atheists love to spout when preaching the joys of atheism. I get it. The universe without god is beautiful. I'm already a fucking atheist you know? I just respect religion for the good it can do. I lack faith because I'm smart enough to know it's all just bullshit. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna take away the source of happiness and a fucktonne of good charities from this planet. Not everyone needs to find happiness the same way we do. Let them have their god.
User avatar #94586 to #94585 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
"I'm smart enough to know different, just let them have it" I love how you're basically patronising them like children who believe in the tooth fairy.
So i guess because they're as ignorant as children, they're allowed to shit all over science and say its wrong and we have to just look the other way, right? we're not allowed to come back and say no, that's not right. We're supposed to just go "yeah lol ok" while whenever we want to spread good news that science can bring they go "that's hell worthy" and picket it.
To say "just let them have it" is just obnoxious. I love teaching people about things, whether it be the universe or history or english to those that can't speak it well, I enjoy having the satisfaction of being the person to spread knowledge even if just one person learns from me. I'm exactly the same way about science. I've never said "stop believing in a god you stupid idiot" I only express my view on it, that is, that is no proof or evidence there for i dont live my life based on a "well it could happen so i wont take the chance of going to hell for not believe it"
User avatar #94590 to #94586 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
you're basically patronising them

Yes. I'd rather people be stupid and happy than enlightened and sad. Not everyone needs to be knowledgeable in science. The world is made up of all sorts. You can be perfectly functional as a religious person.

They are allowed to shit all over science and say it's wrong

Not all of them do that. Honestly, those who do are about as smart as the atheists who decide to trust healing crystals and shit. It's not religion that makes them stupid, it's the fact that they're stupid that makes them stupid.

whenever we try to spread the good news that science brings they say that's hell worthy

I don't know of many christian groups picketing scientific events... Maybe pro-lifers picketing pro-choice events, but really that's tit for tat on both ends of the spectrum. Pro-choicers crash pro-life events all the time. Once again, they were stupid religious, they will be stupid atheist.

_ love teaching blah blah blah_

I may be obnoxious but boy are you pretentious. I like teaching people too, but sometimes you need to understand what a person needs to learn and what they don't. People are not receptive to information that is in complete conflict with their world view. That's life. It's called confirmation bias. So give up on that dream of converting religious folks to atheism because barring a religion caused trauma they will not submit.


The rest of your comment was just you putting words into the mouths of non-existent asshole theists while saying you're not an asshole atheist.

What you fail to realize is my previous comment LITERALLY ANSWERED YOUR FUCKING QUESTION. "why is it okay for theists to preach but not atheists to preach"? Because of the fucking connotation associated with the preaching.

God fucking damn man...
User avatar #94592 to #94590 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Also how are you not being pretentious right now? you blatantly just admitted you believe you're smarter than religious people. Pretentious AND hypocritical . Tsk tsk tsk.
User avatar #94591 to #94590 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
You say I'm pretentious but look how angry you're getting over an opinion that doesn't like something. "YOU NEED TO ACCEPT EVERYTHING, DON'T JUDGE ANYONE OR SPEAK YOUR MIND TO THEM". you sound like pretentious as fuck liberal.
User avatar #94594 to #94591 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
#1 I may be a hypocrite but that doesn't make me wrong.

#2 more strawman

#3 Holy strawman batman! Did you really just read my whole fucking dissertation on everything wrong with your comment and REALLY FUCKING DERIVE THAT I AM TELLING YOU NOT TO SPEAK YOUR OPINIONS. You know why I'm mad? Because you are a textbook case for confirmation bias. You posed a question already knowing the answer you wanted. Being presented with disconfirming arguments you proceeded to ignore them, attack the person arguing against you and pose irrelevant counter-arguments that do not in any way negate any of my arguments.

Also, I'm not a liberal... I'm not really affiliated with any political parties. I vote for the guy with the best policy... or perhaps the least awful policy.

Wanna know what I'm waiting for?

>a counterargument to the connotation argument I made
>a counterargument to the fact that stupid people will misrepresent science regardless of their faith in god
>for you to actually make a comment that isn't just a combination of strawmen and ad hominem.

Oh and before you call me out on ad hominem. I'm gonna beat you to the punch. I'm engaging in ad hominem. But I'm also stating a bunch of really great, compelling arguments in between my ad hominem. You should try that!
#94613 to #94594 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
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User avatar #94614 to #94613 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
idk what that means
#94617 to #94614 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
blown the fuck out
User avatar #94618 to #94617 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
not really
User avatar #94624 to #94623 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
le memes u win xD
#94626 to #94624 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
thats exactly how you replied to him
User avatar #94631 to #94626 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
how did you reply to me?
#94633 to #94631 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
he blew you the fuck out and you just posted le ebbin maymay fox gif xDDD
User avatar #94634 to #94633 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
wtf?
User avatar #94597 to #94595 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
>being confronted with his own stupidity. The disheartened fedoracore retreats to hibernate until his hugbox wakes up and his damaged ego might be healed.

I guess I'll have to keep waiting for the things I asked for then.

Nice engaging in thoughtful discussion with you. For a fucking enlightened atheist you're a real ignorant cunt about things you disagree with.
User avatar #94598 to #94597 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Nah it's just not worth debating you. You're bringing way to much emotion into this and insulting me for having an opposing opinion. basically what just happened "you're stupid for thinking what you think" "*yawn*" "Ha! Y-you didnt say anything!! haha I win, you suck!!"
User avatar #94599 to #94598 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
#1 emotion is half the fun. I don't mind your ad hominem so long as you actually state something else with it. You were too busy being sad about my insults to read all of the compelling arguments I made (that i'm still waiting for you to provide counterarguments for.

#2 you started it. You're the one who strawmanned me first, ignored my arguments, then went on a little dialogue about the beauty of atheist thought. Can you not see the validity to my frustration when my argument is ignored so you can just preach yours? Can't you appreciate that I take the time to deconstruct and address every point you make with my comments?

Also I'm not insulting you for having a different opinion. I'm insulting you because your rationality is stupid and your lack of ability to actually address my arguments is really fucking annoying. Before you get all whiny about me calling your rationality stupid. I go to great lengths in previous comments to deconstruct why your rationality is stupid. Comments you made absolutely no effort to refute, I may add, since you were too busy being mad at me for being an internet bully to actually read the intelligent parts of my comments.

Also... did you actually manage to strawman me again? how on earth is me mocking you for not presenting a single counter-argument considered me "winning". There's no winning in an internet fight. We're both fucking autistic.

So to tally it up:

I am a pretentious, autistic, obnoxious, long winded, more understanding atheist
You are pretentious, autistic, less understanding defeatist atheist.

I'm glad we could hash this out together.
User avatar #94600 to #94599 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Jesus I barely said anything, why are you getting so riled up?
User avatar #94602 to #94600 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Also, if you haven't noticed, I like addressing every aspect of your statement clearly. That way your strawmans fall flat.
User avatar #94601 to #94600 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
First line! That's half the fun!
User avatar #94603 to #94601 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
In any debate I've ever had with a christian or muslim, I never had the gull to get angry at what they believe it. I never called them stupid or ignorant, All I do is express how i feel about it just like they do. And I never presented a strawman, I only use the most popular image of religion as an example. I didnt say "this is how all religious people act" I say, how come religious people CAN. CAAAANNNN (are able to, ei, not inhibited in anyway whether they actually do or not) do this while atheists can not.
User avatar #94605 to #94603 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
replace were with we. Woops
User avatar #94604 to #94603 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
I don't see how that's relevant? The express purpose of your engaging with them is to remove one of the major sources of happiness from their lives to be replaced by your major source of happiness.

Imagine if you're successful. These folks most likely don't understand science to the degree you do... and I'm just gonna make the assumption you understand science. Just knowing god isn't real without having been socialized to love the universe without a god in it as were have will unquestionably result in depressing them.

That's the root of my connotation argument. If you are convinced to believe in a god you gain a god. You gain another avenue for happiness. If they are convinced to be atheist they lose a god. They lose a potential avenue for happiness.

Is this clear?
User avatar #94607 to #94604 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
as stated in an interview with richard dawkins "if i believed evolution was a fact but still believed in god, would you be happy" "i would be tremendously happy"
User avatar #94610 to #94607 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Well then you're not arguing atheism, you're arguing scientific acceptance.

The problem here is very few people are the ideal individual of a faithful person who is still receptive to science. Once someone has chosen to be faithful in a way that willfully denies scientific truisms like evolution and whatnot, they're beyond help. You cannot undo that degree of dedication to a very specific kind of mentality. That involves, once again, changing fundamental world views. You're better off just discussing philosophy with them. It's more fun.
User avatar #94606 to #94604 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Yes but there are people out there I meet that express that they are not religious, they do not need god to be happy and only believe in him because "i don't know how gravity works, therefore god had to do it" these are the people i debate and try to get an understanding of their mindset from. that 7% of the scientific community that still believes in a god is what I'm curious about. Through scientific reasoning "I don't know" does not mean a god had to do it, it simply means we do not know. it doesn't mean "I have no idea, I'm fucking stumped, it has to be magic" It means I am not sure. There could be endless possibilities as to how something happens, that doesnt mean you're a step closer to knowing how it happened. The people that when i say through scientific reasoning, it's impossible to know everything come back with "see, i DO know; god" are the people that are so assertively ignorant it's hard to ignore it
User avatar #94608 to #94606 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Okay well they're not religious. They're a completely different group of people who are receptive to science. God was never a source of happiness for these people, just a means to fill in a gap that could better be filled by science. These individuals are the ones I'm talking about.

7% of scientists believe in god because they were raised believing in god and god makes them happy. Aka, my point.

Once again, they are assertively ignorant because the alternative is completely contradicting a fundamental world view that they hold. People resist that!

Though you actually help me as far as addendums are concerned. You can be smart and religious. God being an integral source of happiness for you doesn't mean you need to be stupid. It also doesn't mean you need to deny science. My guess is those 7% probably combine science with god. A god that facilitates science.
User avatar #94679 to #94608 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Mine are not based on an anecdote, that was just an example that people CAN change. Mine are also based on psychology. humans have the capacity to think critically and evaluate a situation, this i why i believe anyone can stop believing. Plus just saying "oh hush, its their religion dont say anything" I feel is insulting and I dont agree with it. To say something like that, you deny a person that might cahnge based on what you say, to change and possibilty turn to science and make the next ground breaking thing. who knows, but to not say anything, you're not even trying to make this a more socially accepted way of thinking. You're shadowing it and not even giving them a chance to hear your argument
User avatar #94612 to #94608 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
But that doesn't make sense though, as a scientist, it's your job to question everything and being skeptical about everything... yet they believe in a god? how does that make sense? this is why god can't exist side by side with science.
User avatar #94678 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
My beliefs are corroborated by social psych. Yours are corroborated by anecdote. Humans are energy misers man. Also when did I claim you were forcing your beliefs on people?
User avatar #94673 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
What do you have left to say though? People resist change to their fundamental beliefs. That's why 7% of scientists are religious. That's why religious people don't spontaneously leave religion when they're told about the big bang.

What was your counter to that?
User avatar #94677 to #94673 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
This whole discussion is based on semantics btw. I believe people have the intelligence to critically evaluate that they believe something only because their family and hometown said its true, you believe that once the mind has settles, it's locked and there's no reason to talk about it with them. I also don't "force" atheism onto anyone. Only time I ever bring up my beliefs is when someone asks me what my religion is, even then i only shrug and say non religious but if they keep going and keep asking questions on why i thin kthe way i do, i will open up and tell them exactly why.
User avatar #94669 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
In two comments I said

A person born religious and growing up loving it is going to compromise their objectivity two times.

Every time after that I said

A person will resist altering their fundamental beliefs

I am not wrong. My first comments didn't represent my argument well so I fixed it. You're so fixated on getting that win that you're missing the fundamental argument here which is trying to explain why you'll find that convincing religious people to become as euphoric as you does not work. That 7% of scientists will be religious despite the lack of objective proof for religion. Get it? God, we're arguing fucking semantics. Do you get how dumb that is? Bring it back to the big picture.
User avatar #94670 to #94669 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
There's no point in debating "the big picture" anymore, I've said my point, you've said yours, this whole thing is about a single issue and it's been debated. If i was debating a creationist it could last hours because there's so many things we could talk about. But here, it's just neither of us wanna be wrong so we keep saying the same things, this is fucking boring.
User avatar #94664 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
So what you're saying is that even if I properly represent my views in 30+ comments, 2 and comments completely invalidate my entire premise?

I won't address your God's comment because I don't understand what the fuck you're even saying there.
User avatar #94667 to #94664 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
by the way, didn't you say goodnight twice? Why are you still here? did you really think I'd just stop replying to your argument because you said good night, I mean you should have known when you said that I wouldnt stop, right?
User avatar #94666 to #94664 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
No you didn't, you said people with this criteria can't do this. And i explained how it was possible that they can, in otherwords, you're wrong.
User avatar #94658 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
You're nitpicking the grammar of one... Wait.... Two of my comments. After I said 3-4 times after those two comments that my view was the view I stated above. Please do not lecture me on my own fucking opinions.
User avatar #94663 to #94658 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
also another example "I don't understand why you believe in god" opens the door for them to explain to me all about christianity and how they think. I already know how they think, what I should have said was "I find your beliefs irrational"
User avatar #94660 to #94658 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
It's your grammar that lead to your downfall. it's not my responsibility to interpret what you mean. And the words you choose are also a slipper slope. To say "I believe no gods exist" leads into a whole different world of arguments christians could take my down with, but saying "I don't believe in any gods", voids those arguments that they might make
User avatar #94654 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
My claim was that people resist change to their fundamental beliefs.

Your counterclaim was "this one guy did".

You disprove me how?

Also you don't sound smart by parroting "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I". Christ, your insults are grade school level bullshit.
User avatar #94656 to #94654 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
you basically said that nobody, under your given circumstances, can leave their belief. you didnt say "most people" you said people. If you said most people then the one person wouldn't do anything. but the fact that you implied that all people fall under this law of the universe, proves you wrong
User avatar #94651 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
anecdote: a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.

You're wrong. Also, you're not allowed to rescind my "man of science" card unless I actually violate a tennet of scientific inquiry. But you're so retarded you'll just say I can't call myself a man of science because when you've got nothing smart to say you just copy my insults, hoping they'll work the same in reverse.
User avatar #94652 to #94651 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Holy shit you're retarded. How many times do I have to say this. the only fucking proof that was required to disprove you WAS ONE PERSON. And I disproved you. It's not a claim, it's not evidence. It's direct proof you're wrong and you can look this up yourself. And again you don't even have proof that your criteria is even real
User avatar #94648 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
To quote you " "you're stupid for thinking what you think" "*yawn*" "Ha! Y-you didnt say anything!! haha I win, you suck!!""

My god... you're so stupid you even contradict yourself. Wow...
User avatar #94650 to #94648 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Yep, I decided to use your own logic against you for ironic humor. But I guess you couldn't see that. By god, stop saying I'm thing that actually you are.
User avatar #94647 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
IT IS FUCKING ANECDOTE. ANECDOTE IS NEVER LEGITIMATE. IT IS NOT. MY FUCKING GOD. FIND ME A SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC PAPER THAT IS BASED ON A SINGLE ANECDOTE. YOU WILL NOT. SCIENCE DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANECDOTES.

Until you recognize this. you cannot say you are a man of science.

I repeat. Good night. Any further response with regards to trying to validate anecdotal evidence will either be ignored your responded to with a copy + paste of this comment.
User avatar #94649 to #94647 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
lol it's not an anecdote. an anecdote would be "i was walking down the street one day when I saw god" what i did was explain to you that there is someone in the world that disproves your claim (which you have no evidence for, by the way) Nice. don
t bother calling yourself a man of science either
User avatar #94644 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Yes, it is shitty evidence because if there are 7 billion fucking people on this planet SOMEONE will prove your argument. That doesn't make your argument compelling whatsoever.

Okay, I've let you strawman me long enough. I AM STATING AND HAVE ALWAYS STATED THAT BEING TOLD TO FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER YOUR CORE BELIEFS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL EXCESSIVELY RESIST. That's my argument. Not that it is IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE YOUR FUCKING RELIGION AND NOT FUCKING DECONVERT BECAUSE THAT'S RETARDED AND I HOPE YOU GET PUNCHED THE FUCK OUT IF YOU EVER USE THAT IN REAL LIFE CONVERSATION.

We're done here. I'm done letting you ignore my legitimate claims and put forward your ignorant anecdotally supported claims. You think you are a man of science. You're as bad as the people you decry. you're pathetic. I'm ashamed to be represented by you since we're both atheists.

Good night.
User avatar #94646 to #94644 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
glad to see you can stop when you know you've been defeated. Night.
User avatar #94645 to #94644 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Again, it's not shitty evidence when the criteria to disprove your claim only takes one fucking person which he is, again, it is directly proof you are wrong.
User avatar #94642 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
#1 anecdote is still shitty evidence

#2 I already told you that you're not an example of a devoutly religious person for reasons stated prior

#3 stop describing the majesty of creationless universe. I already know that shit, I don't need to hear it more.

#4 stop using the word deconvert when you can use less autistic words like "left religion" or "Became atheist".

#5 I'm arguing that goig against your fundamental beliefs is something you will oppose. You're just so fucking dead set in your own views that you refuse to acknowledge it. Funnily enough YOU'RE PROVING MY POINT. You're literally ignoring science while claiming you're in a place where you don't ignore science while spouting anecdotes at me. Can you see why this is supremely hypocritical in a way which actually damages your position?
User avatar #94643 to #94642 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
jesus, here we go again with the angry. it's not shitty evidence when it is in fact PROOF that you are wrong. He is a real existing person you can easily google and learn this exact thing. you're tying to imply that anyone who matches those criteria can not deconvert, yet he did. that is direct proof that you are wrong.
User avatar #94635 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
You're a science geek, right? Get that anecdote out of here.

C'mon, my premise isn't that tough to understand bud. If you internalize a belief, you resist opposition to that belief. It's a fundamental aspect of human nature. It's too energeticaly costly for most people to invest in constantly re-evaluating their closely held beliefs.
User avatar #94639 to #94635 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
You say that like religious people love god it's impossible to get out of it, they're just locked into it for life. that's not true at all. like i said, he admitted he was wrong now he replaced his happiness with a sense of creationless wonder the universe has to offer. People deconvert all the time and are glad they did. Shit when I did I felt like I was born anew. I felt happier than i ever did before. (inc euphoric lay meme hurhur) but seriously, a lot of the time it's a great feeling to break free from a religion
User avatar #94625 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Read my criteria

>born into religion
>LIKE GOD
>FEEL A SUBJECTIVE CLOSENESS TO GOD

you only qualified for 1 of those three criteria.
User avatar #94629 to #94625 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Oh, so Im not a good example guess that means all those people can't deconvert.
except they do, namely one for exmaple, matt dillahunty who was religion for like 30 years before he gave it up. He felt so connected to god that he wanted t obecome a preacher, when he actually went to school for becoming one, he had to read the bible all the way though, the illogical fallacies written right there in the book he followed for years is the same book that drove him away. he admitted it was irrational for believing how he did
User avatar #94620 to #94612 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Scientists aren't robots. If you're raised religious, like god, and subjectively feel a closeness to him, you'll compromise your objectivity. It's called being human.
User avatar #94622 to #94620 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
I guess Im not human then. I was raised roman catholic and took it as a fact that god existed before it started fading away and i stopped caring. i never believed anything from the bible anyway, why should i believe in the part that says god is real if i dont believe that parts that says what god did? I actually didn't start getting educated in this until after I moved to utah and started having mormonism shoved down my throat, i chose to be educated so that when mormons wouldnt leave me alone about it, i could actually have a conversation with them
User avatar #94557 to #94550 - cleverguy (11/21/2014) [-]
its not necessarily ok, it's just in their doctrine
User avatar #94559 to #94557 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
ok ty
User avatar #94548 - ribocoon (11/21/2014) [-]
What do you get when you multiply six by nine?
User avatar #94534 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
Go to page 241 of this board. Remember infamoustrapper and how he helped me. The good guy is dead.

R.I.P my nigga. Why did you have to die so young.

www.timesunion.com/local/article/College-of-Saint-Rose-student-missing-5830724.php
User avatar #94721 to #94534 - fuckyouthatswhy (11/21/2014) [-]
oh shit nigger, but are you sure he died?
User avatar #94730 to #94721 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
Yes, his fucking body has been lying there for weeks, broken.
User avatar #94731 to #94730 - fuckyouthatswhy (11/21/2014) [-]
nothing in the article about that
User avatar #94734 to #94731 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
>body found
He is fucking dead
User avatar #94547 to #94534 - ribocoon (11/21/2014) [-]
I remember that guy
User avatar #94546 to #94534 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
How do you know that's him?
User avatar #94705 to #94546 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
He has posted his irl on /hating/ and its been reposted long before his death.
Also nickname trapper, name infamoustrapper.
User avatar #94707 to #94705 - teoragnar (11/21/2014) [-]
Oh shit.
User avatar #94540 to #94534 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
How did he pepsi?

Thats unfortunate for the young guy.
User avatar #94541 to #94540 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
Probably suicide.
User avatar #94504 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Fucking shit yall were right.

Since syrian scooted, this place is pretty chill.
I was gonna take a break on the 10th but fucking shit i feel like not acting up on here.

So if you all need me, ill be conductimg psychological experiemnts on the 'gay' board.

I planted some losts there and the results are hilarious yet interesting
User avatar #94522 to #94504 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
>going to gay
>'experiments'

totally not homo

totally
#94497 - John Cena (11/21/2014) [-]
wwe edge 2005 titantron His return is near.
User avatar #94538 to #94497 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
lel you still havent com back fagget
User avatar #94472 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
What do you all think of curse words?
i know there for whatever reason are words labeled offensive.
i will not use em in a holy setting.

I dont feel less-christian for using them in a secular setting however
#94575 to #94472 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
cursing is for niggers
User avatar #94681 to #94575 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
And so are guns, 40 acres, and white women ages 16-55
User avatar #94690 to #94688 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Damn right i do. Ive got the damn dragon nads right now
User avatar #94683 to #94682 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
British Broadcasting Corporation
#94685 to #94683 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
British Broadcasting Corporation = BBC   
   
Big Black Cock = BBC   
   
english confirmed for beeing cucks
British Broadcasting Corporation = BBC

Big Black Cock = BBC

english confirmed for beeing cucks
User avatar #94510 to #94472 - princessren (11/21/2014) [-]
I try not to use them often
User avatar #94512 to #94510 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Why not? Is it to avoid habitual cursing so you dont slip up and use them at a critical time?
User avatar #94514 to #94512 - princessren (11/21/2014) [-]
I dunno...I just don't like cursing
if used too much it can be kinda....crude
User avatar #94515 to #94514 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Are you a boy or a girl?
User avatar #94752 to #94515 - Conquistador (11/22/2014) [-]
Lol, he's a tranny.
#94516 to #94515 - princessren (11/21/2014) [-]
that is the big question of the universe isn't it
User avatar #94517 to #94516 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Yes. After you answer it directly and type some hilarious name for yourself and your childhood rival, you usuallly end up forcing animals to fuck eachother up
User avatar #94713 to #94518 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
WTF, I've told you many times to keep your stupid anime shit off this board and especially /politics/
User avatar #94479 to #94472 - cognosceteipsum (11/20/2014) [-]
talking to yourself soldier of my brothers army
#94486 to #94479 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/20/2014) [-]
Can you learn to speak coherently? I can't understand what you are saying a 4th of the time.
Can you learn to speak coherently? I can't understand what you are saying a 4th of the time.
User avatar #94502 to #94486 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Are you stupid?
User avatar #94503 to #94502 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
>is a nigger
User avatar #94505 to #94503 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
>is butthurt due to my personal beliefs not lining with his own.
User avatar #94506 to #94505 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
I don't care that you are christian. Have I not mentioned I'm not an atheist? that is a rhetorical question you retard . It's that you are basically braindead retarded and a nigger that makes me dislike you.
User avatar #94507 to #94506 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
>cant even read my comment

>my personal beliefs encompass more than origin and purpose of life

>butthurt

Look man, ive been ignoring you and stuff but im.sorry if i hurt your feelings. But hey. Its cool. Keep it up. Its.just the internet

>is going to try to get last response while in constant denial of my psychoanalysis of them.
User avatar #94509 to #94508 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Exactly.
User avatar #94511 to #94509 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/21/2014) [-]
I hope you realize you are literally as retarded as syrian is. That's right, I literally think you are as stupid. Except he is actually entertaining to a degree. You on the other hand have nothing going for you.

No idea what the fuck you said on your last post but I'm just putting that out there. Also you would be in Africa worshiping statues and the sun if it wasn't for whites who brought you over here and converted you.
User avatar #94513 to #94511 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Your comments sound so good before you type them , dont they?
User avatar #94488 to #94486 - cognosceteipsum (11/20/2014) [-]
oh all your not the jew pot

for it won't be blue and white

still will back fuck
User avatar #94442 - ribocoon (11/20/2014) [-]
Matthew 26:11
I don't know if I can admire Jesus anymore
User avatar #94445 to #94442 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Ephesians 6:5
User avatar #94446 to #94444 - ribocoon (11/20/2014) [-]
Nigga got on to this bitch for buying Jesus some expensive perfume and told her she could have sold it and given the money to some poor niggas
But JC went and told the nigga to fuck off because "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."

JC thinks he's more important than poor niggas
User avatar #94448 to #94446 - youregaylol (11/20/2014) [-]
Why do you buy your parents presents for Christmas? Why not instead spend the money for the presents to give to a poor stranger?

Because even though the poor need our help, our loved ones also deserve recognition and gifts.

The poor will always be there, but your mother and father wont. You have a duty to them as well.

And besides, I'm sure there are plenty of other verses that show that jesus cared about the poor.
User avatar #94451 to #94448 - ribocoon (11/20/2014) [-]
Jesus used to be my chill hippy nigga

Bitch ain't nothing to me
User avatar #94413 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
bye!
#94403 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Is being human just having a body, mind or something else? I was wondering about this because I have a teacher that thinks being human is mainly connected to being in a body, I think its more so in the mind, the person-hood of a being.
User avatar #94471 to #94403 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
Humans have souls. Or a part of the brain that we call a soul
User avatar #94523 to #94471 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
"part of the brain is called a soul"

please tell me more Dr.Tyrone
User avatar #94531 to #94523 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
Ill be doctor tyrone, ylu can be nurse lisa
User avatar #94530 to #94523 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/21/2014) [-]
We know very little about the brain.
And there is something that man must have that separates him from animal
User avatar #94758 to #94530 - leightonsolomon ONLINE (11/22/2014) [-]
An advanced frontal cortex is our primary difference from most OTHER animals, but we are still animals buddy. There is nothing in our biology that cannot be seen in another species or explained by evolution.
User avatar #94419 to #94403 - Sethorein (11/20/2014) [-]
many animals have bodies and minds.
#94431 to #94419 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
they don't have the self-awareness humans have and that is apart of our minds.
User avatar #94489 to #94431 - Sethorein (11/20/2014) [-]
perhaps not to the degree that humans do, but certain species to a rudimentary degree possess a certain level of self awareness.
User avatar #94375 - ribocoon (11/20/2014) [-]
**ribocoon rolled user syrianassassin ** Atheism has killed 100,000,000+ in the last century. Inversely, religion has killed many more.
User avatar #94467 to #94375 - marinepenguin (11/20/2014) [-]
Atheism and Religion don't cause war. Intolerance does.

Atheism doesn't tell people to go and kill religious people, and religion doesn't tell people to go and kill others either (at least in it's core beliefs). It's more of a "This person doesn't think ____ and I disagree with him, instead of resolving it rationally I'm going to kill him and make the problem go away."

Atheists don't kill people because they're atheists, they kill people because they're bad people. The same goes for any other religion.
User avatar #94404 to #94375 - Sethorein (11/20/2014) [-]
Much like guns don't kill people, religion and atheism do not kill people.

People can use atheism, religion, and guns to kill people. That's it.
User avatar #94474 to #94404 - schnizel (11/20/2014) [-]
Aloha
User avatar #94475 to #94474 - cognosceteipsum (11/20/2014) [-]
Oh right, you guys argued
User avatar #94477 to #94476 - cognosceteipsum (11/20/2014) [-]
Did you get a lot of pleasure out of arguing? Like an orgasm coupled with your favourite food?
User avatar #94490 to #94478 - Sethorein (11/20/2014) [-]
don't lie
User avatar #94542 to #94490 - schnizel (11/21/2014) [-]
No, not really.
User avatar #94378 to #94375 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
only reason atheism would kill anyone is religious people that don't accept it and kill them
#94384 to #94378 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
I think you accidentally that sentence....
User avatar #94386 to #94384 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
uh nope
#94389 to #94386 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Well you're saying the same thing as ribo just with atheism. "the only reason atheism would kill anyone is if religious people didn't accept atheism and killed them." Or are you trying to say atheist would only kill if a religious person killed an atheist?
User avatar #94391 to #94389 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
no im pointing out why atheism would every be a reason to kill someone and that is because religious people dont like it
#94425 to #94391 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
Yeah sure thing comrade/
User avatar #94468 to #94425 - marinepenguin (11/20/2014) [-]
>Implying that Communism itself is a horrible form of government.

The reason that Atheism and Communism are put together is because Communism relies on the unity of the people, all working together and sharing resources, making sacrifices for the betterment of the state. The success of the state will then lead to more prosperity, allowing it to provide more security and resources to the people. One way to keep the people united is to have them all share the same beliefs, Atheism is the best answer for this, because when there is no God at all there can be no speculation about the details of a God, God simply doesn't exist and that is all. Plus there is no organization that could threaten the power of the state in the minds of the people.

People like Stalin and Mao took those concepts and ran with them. They were both just terrible people in general, not because of their atheism.

I would argue that if Lenin hadn't been killed by Stalin and had remained the leader of Russia, WW2 and the Cold War would have gone very very very differently.
#94560 to #94468 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
commie detected
User avatar #94428 to #94425 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Lol so you're judging atheism based on evil people who followed it? That's ridiculous considering how many evil dictators did what they did based on religion and how many wars were started because of religion. Not too mention the countless famous GOOD atheists
#94435 to #94428 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
communism is found on atheism, "christian" kings doing bad deeds is an oximoron becasue evil is condemed by christianity
User avatar #94563 to #94435 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
my heart... is closed? i lived for several years not understanding what "accept jesus" meant because i thought it was just a fact that he was our savior. the fact that I'm open to anything the makes sense is WHY im not a christian anymore.
User avatar #94566 to #94565 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
what?
#94567 to #94566 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
|> my heart... is closed? i lived for several years not understanding what "accept jesus" meant because i thought it was just a fact that he was our savior. the fact that I'm open to anything the makes sense is WHY im not a christian anymore.

i dont understand
User avatar #94568 to #94567 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
you just said my heart was closed and thats why i dont accept your god
#94569 to #94568 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
so why did you change?
User avatar #94571 to #94569 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
because i opened up my mind. the fact that the reason you think i dont believe in god is because "my heart is closed" is evidence that the existence of a god in your mind is pandering purely to an emotional state. you can't imagine a world that isn't unicorns and fairies and rainbows, you can't imagine dying and life not continuing afterwords. you can't imagine a 'benevolent' (debatable) being watching out for you 24/7. I don't choose to see the world like that. i take it for what it is.
#94574 to #94571 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
well thats a pritty shitty reason
User avatar #94573 to #94571 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
isn't watching over you*
User avatar #94485 to #94435 - christmouth ONLINE (11/20/2014) [-]
No, you're wrong, communism is not founded on atheism. Karl Marx argued that religion was an expression of personal struggle, and if that struggle would go away in society by removing the classes, then making it atheistic, but it's not founded on atheism.
#94555 to #94485 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
he wanted to make a society free from god, so that makes it an atheistic society
User avatar #94741 to #94555 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Uhhh so no way?
#94749 to #94741 - dehumanizer (11/22/2014) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union

Thus the USSR became the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion[2] and its replacement with universal atheism.[3][4] The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools.[5]
User avatar #94695 to #94555 - christmouth ONLINE (11/21/2014) [-]
Karl Marx said that in a communistic society there would be no need for a good, then yes, that makes it an atheistic society.
User avatar #94436 to #94435 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
you realise there's not guideline to being an atheist right? there's no holy book that tells atheists what to do. atheism covered one and just one issue, the existence of god. Atheism doesnt make you a bad person, it doesnt make you a good person, you're your truly a good person, atheism won't turn you bad. Christianity on the other hand, is ruled by an evil tyrannic god that slaughters anyone that opposes him. A god that condones misogyny, slavery and homophobia and even offers guidelines on how to own and buy a slave. You can choose to ignore this, yes, the reason you don't condone slavery is because you used your OWN moral judgement to say "no, that's wrong". But if you were a fully indoctrinated christian and believed everything the bible said, you'd probably think this is all ok like a lot of heavily religion people do.
#94437 to #94436 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
but unlike religion, atheism doesent enforce its own morality, therefore you can not claim religion has killed more

>"Christianity on the other hand, is ruled by an evil tyrannic god that slaughters anyone that opposes him."

wrong

>A god that condones misogyny

nothing wrong with that

>slavery

wrong

> You can choose to ignore this, yes, the reason you don't condone slavery is because you used your OWN moral judgement to say "no, that's wrong". But if you were a fully indoctrinated christian and believed everything the bible said, you'd probably think this is all ok like a lot of heavily religion people do.

wrong
User avatar #94661 to #94437 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
That last info graphic didn't really make any concrete claims. I don't understand. Nothing you've said has been true. I've more or less proved you wrong on all avenues. The only "win" you have is the top 2% of iq scores belong to males... And honestly at the extremes of the iq spectrum a few points of difference doesn't matter that much...
#94662 to #94661 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
no you did not
User avatar #94665 to #94662 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Are.. Are you trying to argue that rape is a good thing?

Also where didn't I adequately prove you wrong?
#94668 to #94665 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
you didnt proove how women arent inferior, you just bullshitted me with 5 women when there are a gazilion other inventions by men, surely if women werent inferior it would be a 50/50 situation, right?
User avatar #94671 to #94668 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Sorry I'm not a women's studies major who can list off gazillion of women.

I figured the null hypothesis would be that men and women are equal. Shouldn't the ownace be on you to prove that women are inferior since that's the more contentious claim?

The statistics are support for me. Notice that there's more than 90% overlap between makes and females in iq. That proves men and women are more or less equal in iq, eh?
#94672 to #94671 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
it prooves men are 10% smarter thus not equal
User avatar #94674 to #94672 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
No.... It proves less than 10% of men are negligibly higher by less than 10 points in iq.

Do you notice your confirmation bias?
#94675 to #94674 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
I dont deny that i have a confirmation bias but to this day i can not feel i am wrong.
User avatar #94676 to #94675 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
What will it take to change your mind?
User avatar #94593 to #94437 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
You said all exceptional people are men. I proved that not all exceptional people are men. How many do I need to list before I become credible? Why is the ownace being put on me to validate that women are more or less the same as men in most things rather than on you to prove they aren't?

Also, I mean.. it's kinda patriarchy but meh. I'm not a tumblr feminist. Society needed a home-maker and a city builder. That's fine. Women and men did specialize for these traits. However, nowadays the lines are blurred. We don't live subsistence lifestyles anymore. Women aren't as pressured to have families. The society that was built to produce wives is gone. Now we have a society that gives both sexes more or less equal opportunity for education and pursuit of higher purpose in business, science, and politics.

Once again, I take dispute with your measure of women being inferior. How are women inferior? Is a less populous professional pool really evidence of inferiority more than a symptom of only recently being accepted into these professional fields and still suffering from the conflict of being either a wife or a professional.
#94609 to #94593 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
because you just posted two exceptional women then realise litteraly everything else is made by doods

>Now we have a society that gives both sexes more or less equal opportunity for education and pursuit of higher purpose in business, science, and politics.

have fun getting a job with a degree in woman's studies

they are physicly and intellectualy inferior
User avatar #94615 to #94609 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
If I post 3 exceptional women that falsifies your claim that literally everything else is made by dudes.

Harriet Tubman.

There, proved you wrong again. Here, have amelia earhart for good measure. Now there are four great women!

also, how do you qualify someone as exceptional. One my my professors is pretty exceptional in my books, but you wouldn't see her on national news...

I'm a neuroscience student who has taken a couple development courses. I just understand how each sex develops.

Physically, yes, intellectually, debateable. While men have been found to do better on standardized tests, women do better in class marks... so yeah... Also, women are pretty much equally represented to men in medical schools so clearly they're smart enough to be doctors. In fact, one thing women have over men is exceptional fine motor skills. I'd like women to do my sutering, thank you.

Also, if men are so smart, why are you so bad at spelling?
#94632 to #94615 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
amelia earhart? really? she wasnt the first person to fly a plane over the atlantic but she is famous for beeing the first woman to do it, which is very autistic because when a man does something its nothing special but when a woman does it she's considered some sort of hero

class grades are not directly related to iq, which man are higher

im bad at spelling because im a man trapped in a woman's body
User avatar #94637 to #94632 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
She's evidence enough that a woman was capable of what a man was capable of, so she still works. Also, good job ignoring harriet tubman. You're almost as bad as katt with that whole "ignoring shit that disagrees with you" thing.

citation needed on that IQ thing.

I'm trying to discern if you are really autistic or just a troll. It's really hard to determine on the religion board considering how mind-numbingly autistic most of you seem to be...
#94641 to #94637 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
never heard of harriet

User avatar #94653 to #94641 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Harriet was instrumental in helping escaped slaves find their way to canada.

Thanks for providing me that data!

3.2 IQ points mean next to nothing. The average deviation of normal people falls between 70 and 130. That's 60 points difference of normal, functional people.

You're describing extremes. Perhaps 2% of women can be said to be twice as dumb as men and the top 0.1% of the population can be almost entirely male. That leave 97.9% of the population where women and men are more or less equal.
#94655 to #94653 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
not really relevant since slavery was ended by Abraham and the union army

BUT IT DOES PROOVE that men are smarter, all of the world's top scientists are men
User avatar #94657 to #94655 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
Uhh it proved the top 2.1% yes. That's a very small cut of the population you know.

Seriously just tell me if you're being a troll. It's okay. You bamboozled mediate was retarded enough but this is getting painful.
#94659 to #94657 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
i legitimately belive you are wrong
User avatar #94496 to #94437 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
nothing wrong with misogyny.

Really?
#94553 to #94496 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
show me
User avatar #94576 to #94553 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
show you what?
#94577 to #94576 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
that misogyny is wrong
User avatar #94578 to #94577 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
well, conceptually speaking... you're saying that 50% of the population is inferior. It's also kinda baseless... I mean, research does find some sex based differences but #1 those differences don't really paint women as inferior and #2 even where the mean population is different, the std. distribution of the two sexes has a crap tonne of overlap
#94580 to #94578 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
contribution to society
User avatar #94581 to #94580 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
how do you measure contribution to society?
#94582 to #94581 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
its pritty simple really, all of the leading polititians,scientists,religious leaders, artists, inventors, explorers, heroes etc are men
User avatar #94584 to #94582 - Sethorein (11/21/2014) [-]
that's anecdote.

It's also really easy to falsify. All I need is one good female scientist and your position is proven wrong since having even one female scientist falsifies the "fact" that "all of the leading" blah dee blahs are men.

Marie Curie and Rosaline Franklin come to mind.

Also keep in mind, women weren't allowed to be literate until very recently. It's only in the last half century that women were widely given education past the fifth grade before being sent off to home ec classes where they were taught to be mothers or midwives or something.

Give em a chance to prove themselves, eh?
#94587 to #94584 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
oh wow, two, fucking |TWO female scientist, oh geee willikers

>werent allowed

why? if they were really wouldnt be kept down by the evil straight white male, such a situation wouldnt even exist
User avatar #94438 to #94437 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Okay, how can you say I'm wrong without providing evidence? Have you actually read the bible? God has murdered so many innocence people it's almost funny how insane it is. First the flood, which he wiped every single person, then he slaughtered the egyptians, he even slaughters the jews that followed moses for questioning the existence of god, this is all in the bible. It even says he's a jealous god in there.

>nothing wrong with that
there we have christian morals

wrong? there's a whole fucking chapter about how to treat your slaves and where you should buy your slaves from

how the fuck is it wrong? you can't just say wrong without providing a counter point. It's so astounding clear that there are fucking people that hate blacks and gays because of religion.
#94441 to #94438 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
>Okay, how can you say I'm wrong without providing evidence? Have you actually read the bible? God has murdered so many innocence people it's almost funny how insane it is. First the flood, which he wiped every single person, then he slaughtered the egyptians, he even slaughters the jews that followed moses for questioning the existence of god, this is all in the bible. It even says he's a jealous god in there.

who are you to say who's innocent? compared to infinity it doesent matter if a person lives 20 or 40 years considering this is not the only life we get, jealousy is not a bad thing

>there we have christian morals

proove to me women arent inferiour

>wrong? there's a whole fucking chapter about how to treat your slaves and where you should buy your slaves from

Old testement, Jesus abolished that

>how the fuck is it wrong? you can't just say wrong without providing a counter point. It's so astounding clear that there are fucking people that hate blacks and gays because of religion.

the same way there are people who hate blacks and fags without religion
User avatar #94469 to #94441 - marinepenguin (11/20/2014) [-]
"prove to me women aren't inferior"

You can't get one.
#94558 to #94469 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
yeah no, women belong in the trash
User avatar #94498 to #94469 - joshlol (11/21/2014) [-]
LOL
User avatar #94499 to #94498 - joshlol (11/21/2014) [-]
neither can I but this still made me laugh
User avatar #94500 to #94499 - marinepenguin (11/21/2014) [-]
At least you don't hate women because of it. Hes turned his betaness and inability to interact with women into full blown hatred to preserve his own sanity. It's sad really.
User avatar #94501 to #94500 - joshlol (11/21/2014) [-]
I don't hate anyone
seems like a waste of time
User avatar #94525 to #94501 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
hate doesn't take anytime at all though
User avatar #94528 to #94525 - joshlol (11/21/2014) [-]
not my passion son
User avatar #94529 to #94528 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
we can't all get our passion from furry penis
User avatar #94526 to #94525 - joshlol (11/21/2014) [-]
yeah but it brings you down and makes you bitter

I'm bitter enough as it is
User avatar #94527 to #94526 - youregaylol (11/21/2014) [-]
hate=passion
passion+motivation=change
change=growth
User avatar #94443 to #94441 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
you'd think if there was one single entity controlling the entire universe that it would be a peaceful neutral understanding god, not a spiteful, childish one.

woah woah wait a minute, show me in the bible where jesus abolishes anything, jesus says in the bible that he did not come to abolish any laws but to fulfill them, he also tells slaves to be kind to their masters.

who hates blacks and gays not because of religion? there's literally no secular reason to prejudge anyone unless you were told by a religious society that they're weird and get it in your head that it's not right.
#94447 to #94443 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
i would if my opinion on it was as biased as yours

yeah fufling them, in the sence that they have completed their old objectives and now have diffrent, yes he does say that slaves should be good to their masters but he also says that masters should be kind and humane to their servants, if this is applied then the need for slavery is gone and we have better working conditions than in most of china's sweatshops


>who hates blacks and gays not because of religion? there's literally no secular reason to prejudge anyone unless you were told by a religious society that they're weird and get it in your head that it's not right.

simple examle : gommies,nazis
User avatar #94449 to #94447 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
there's no opinion about it, god hates everyone who doesnt love him first. it's not an opinion, its not an interpretation, its in the bible clear as day

if that's what that meant then he wouldnt have said he didn't come to abolish them. he didn't come to end the laws, he comes to carry them out and make sure people obeyed them

>commies
since when do commies hate blacks? blacks and gays go to china all the time and aren't treated poorly, and if they are its because they aren't chinese and it might be weird to them, because they're not used to blacks being around
>nazis
>lead by a catholic fuhrer
#94453 to #94449 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
>if that's what that meant then he wouldnt have said he didn't come to abolish them. he didn't come to end the laws, he comes to carry them out and make sure people obeyed them

its very obvious
User avatar #94455 to #94453 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
to you, only because you're wrong.
#94456 to #94455 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
he contradicts that law several time and thers a big deal in the broble bout how the old law and the "chosen ones" are a thing of the past
User avatar #94554 to #94456 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
i've already said before that I have read it
#94561 to #94554 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
but your heart is closed, you are biesed and you will not learn becasue you dont want to
User avatar #94465 to #94456 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
so no argument? well this was fun
#94552 to #94465 - dehumanizer (11/21/2014) [-]
how can you argue about a book you have not read yourself?
User avatar #94462 to #94456 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
please... education yourself before you start being arrogant about your ignorance
infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
User avatar #94457 to #94456 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Hmm... the bible contradicts itself, imagine that.
#94460 to #94457 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
are you seriously this dence? am i getting trolled? how old are you? have you even read it?
#94450 to #94449 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
holy shit you really are one euphoric individual

>there's no opinion about it, god hates everyone who doesnt love him first. it's not an opinion, its not an interpretation, its in the bible clear as day

well maybe if you interprit it like an autist, like if you dont want good you get bad


>since when do commies hate blacks? blacks and gays go to china all the time and aren't treated poorly, and if they are its because they aren't chinese and it might be weird to them, because they're not used to blacks being around

but they do

|This made me laugh, Hitler is as much Catholic as Obama is a muslim.
User avatar #94454 to #94450 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
>no argument so you just insult using a shitty meme

regardless, he identified as a roman catholic and lived his life as such
#94458 to #94454 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
gee its almost like he did it to appeal to the country's large catholic population, because someone deffinetly lives their lives as a catholic by doing un-christian deeds
User avatar #94463 to #94458 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
oh yeah... only god is allowed to kill people
#94466 to #94463 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
youd think if you're in charge of the universe you'd also be allowed to do other stuff
User avatar #94459 to #94458 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
only living by his god's example.
#94461 to #94459 - dehumanizer (11/20/2014) [-]
thou shall not kill
>kills 60 milion jews

yeah totaly christian m8
User avatar #94372 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
Do people discuss things they truly understand?

Not the best example but i cant discuss my penis. I can tell someone about it and pass on known info but can.i really discuss it?
User avatar #94405 to #94372 - Sethorein (11/20/2014) [-]
depends on what you mean by understand and what you mean by discuss.

The problem with discussing your penis is there isn't much to say. However, if you're a physiologist you might have a great deal to say about the biochemistry of the penis and its various functions.

I'm not sure what you were trying to get across by your comment?
User avatar #94379 to #94372 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
problem with religion is that they don't think logically. a scientific state of mind is that we can't ever truly know anything for a fact and religious people have a state of mind that makes them think they have a 100% certainty in what they believe and the only people that could possibly think that are people that don't truly understand the universe.
#94387 to #94379 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
You say that but all of humanity acts out every with certainty. You don't doubt tomorrow will come because it has happened again and again. You are using a "religious" principle in daily life. The only thing is its not religion that makes us think with certainty its a part of human nature to act and think with with certainty. Its not I'd say we do it because it makes more sense to not doubt everything then to doubt everything.
User avatar #94388 to #94387 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
We don't doubt everything. we just don't have absolute knowledge of everything, yes based on our currently given facts about our world and our universe and what we know about it, we have no reason to assume to the world is going to end tomorrow, but that doesn't mean it's not going to. But skepticism is based on what can be testable and observable. Science isn't about being right it's about gathering evidence and based on that evidence making a logical rational argument as to what that evidence portrays. Science is wrong all the time when given new evidence, and science loves being proven wrong because it only proves more about how much we don't know. Religion thinks they have it all figures out, that there's nothing i nthe universe to discover. But if there's one thing science has taught me as that the only think I'm sure about is that I'm not absolutely certain about anything.
#94394 to #94388 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
You make a sweeping generalization about religious when you say that all must think that there is nothing to learn about the universe. But the very same could be said about non-religious, that they believe their understanding is inherently superior. Science does not tell us that the only thing we can be certain of is that we are certain of nothing because that is itself is a certain statement. The statement itself can't be supported by the bounds of the statement. Second we can reason that the only thing we can be certain of is that we ourselves exist.
User avatar #94395 to #94394 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
How can you saw you don't think you know everything? literally everything that science hasn't figured out yet can be substituted with "god did it". that sounds like you think you know everything to me. And no that's not true. You don't understand the universe. You don't know what it is on a broad scale. how can you say you're 100% certain you exist when you can't even be 100% certain about your world? what does it mean to "exist"? we're in a physical dimension where everything we know to exist exists, that doesn't mean anything.
#94396 to #94395 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Because believing that god did it whatever "it" is doesn't mean we don't still use science to figure out how it works, that makes no sense to think otherwise. I order to be able to question and analyze the world a think able to do that must exist. nothing can't analyze something. if it can please explain. I mean existence in that our minds exist, we are certain that our individual consciousness exist because we have the ability to doubt. In order to doubt everything we must be able to have something to allow the doubting to occur.
User avatar #94399 to #94396 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
does the thought of life with no afterlife scare you? is it emotional? you don't like the idea that when we die nothing happens so you deny it? Reality isn't about happy fairies and having meaning in everything. It's just reality.
#94408 to #94399 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Not really, I don't really care if I die. Death is irreverent to me because we all die. In fact its human to die, and its human to fear death but what's the point in fearing something that you can't control? I don't worry about that which I can't control. is all that religion means to you is life after death? If that's all it means to you then you need to do some research. How can you qualify what reality is not without thinking about reality is? you subconsciously give it meaning even if you don't want to admit it.
User avatar #94411 to #94408 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Really? That's all you got out of that? I just listed 5 reasons why you may be religious and that was only one of them. That was one example that I posted to you AFTER I listed other reasons. I know what religion is and I know why MOST people believe its true, but the fact that you were claiming to not want to accept the notion that a god did anything , I was trying to figure out why you'd even need to believe in a god, but as I just learned, you DON'T believe that, so let's move on to the other post.
#94417 to #94411 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
5 reasons? where? I see 3 maybe 4. if you're talking about the other post below I already answered you. if you're not satisfied tell me what your points are that I didn't respond to.

"but the fact that you were claiming to not want to accept the notion that a god did anything , I was trying to figure out why you'd even need to believe in a god, but as I just learned, you DON'T believe that, so let's move on to the other post."

Not sure what you are trying to say here??
User avatar #94398 to #94396 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
I live my life on basis of my perspective of reality. Doing otherwise would be redundant, this doesn't mean it can't be real. And as a religious person, why do you choose to even acknowledge an all powerful all knowing being if it doesn't hinder your curiosity in naturalistic explanations of the world? Most religious people that truly believe in a god, if a scientist said "sigh... i just dont fucking know it makes no sense" would go "well, then it has to be a god's magic if you can't find out a solution" but if you truly deny that and say "no, there HAS to be an explanation, i won't accept 'magic' as an answer" why the fuck to you believe in god? because you have to? because society taught you as a young child that its true? because you're scared that if you don't you'll go to hell? what the fuck is it? what is your proof or evidence that a god exists?
#94401 to #94398 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Are you asking me personally? To believe that this world, this universe just happened to essentially fall in to place makes less sense to me than to believe that a god or something created it. This world has far too much order to be random, I personally don't see how anyone can study things about this world and think "oh well I guess things just happened work out and we are just lucky". Even if you don't believe in god this world is not random enough to fit with a view that there is no inherent created order. I see viewing life as two ways, either the order is inherent within but it is imperfect or flawed, or the order was perfect but was ruined in some way. Not everyone sees the world as an explanation or proof of god but I do, I literally can't live in the world we live in and think something didn't cause it and sustains it, maybe that is not a god but I can't think of another way to define it. I don't believe because anyone told me to or out of fear,
User avatar #94410 to #94401 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
See, it doesn't though. How does the universe have order? because gravity? because gravity forms stars and planets and galaxies? the fact that you say "there HAS to be a higher power for the universe to exist" is evident enough that you do not have a desire to learn further how the universe works on its own. You reject the notion that there could possibly be a naturalistic explanation for all things, therefore god. I suppose all the physicists and mathematical scientists that for days on end tirelessly to map out the complicated equations of quantum physics are just wasting their time because it can simply be answered with "god did it". I'm sorry 'belittle' it but that's ignorant. You refuse to look for an answer because the people three or so thousand years ago said this is true and anything else is wrong. You do realise that if you were born in Iraq or Afghanistan, the possibility of you believe in Allah and Muhammad are just as likely as you believing in Jesus here? or if you were in China you'd believe in Buddha, or India, Ganesha? There's no truth to religion, it's entirely culture based and if it wasn't, everyone would believe the same thing because there would be overwhelming proof and evidence to back up a single religion. Every religion claims to have had miracles happens. They're not miracles, they're just rare occurrences. There's nothing miraculous about the universe and the only reason you perceive the universe has having order is because you live in a universe where that's what you perceive as order. You think if you went to a parallel universe where planets were square, you'd think there was order? No because you're not accustomed to their perspective of reality and out those physics work.
#94416 to #94410 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
Miracles are more than just a rare occurrence but technically and be defined as such and miracles happen in the world today, people recovering from diseases that should have killed them. I'm not going to say maybe one day we will know the answer to why they recovered but its still pretty miraculous when they live. the same can be said for accidents that should have killed someone. Squares exist in this universe so its not too much of a stretch to envision a square planet, hell before the science changed we thought the world was flat and that wouldn't be too far off from a square planet.
#94415 to #94410 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
The universe doesn't have order? if the universe didn't have order you couldn't figure it out? Why does gravity work? its related to the mass of one thing to the mass of another but why do those masses act upon each other and form gravity? I don't know and we might know one day, I'm not saying because god did it, and stopping there. I'm saying because god did it we can figure out what it is and how it works, given enough time. I reject the notion that there could possibly be a naturalistic explanation for all things with out god, just as you reject the notion that there could possibly be a naturalistic explanation for all things with god. The same can be said for you, and that is precisely why it is of no importance of why you believe or not to me. But religion is not culturally based because if that were the case it would be dying out, instead it seems to be growing in the world.
User avatar #94427 to #94415 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
Well thats just simply wrong. As more people become curious they can easily obtain deverse opinions and perspectives online and realise theres other ways you can see the universe. If youre enclosed in a small town with no contradicting opinions on what you're taught, there's no reason to believe urea wrong. The amount of atheists that exist today far outnumber how many there were 200 years ago. But this doesn't even matter. Majority rules =/= fact. Yes it is culture based, if any one religion had anything to offer mute than any other then it would rule as the one main religion of the world. Most people don't WANT to think I'd a world without a good so they stop listening as soon as you start making sense. Mormons are so far lost in their fantasy world that they reject everything that opposes Joseph Smith. However, there are curious ones that use the internet and search for opposing opinions and find out, holy shit I'm wrong about everything and eventually denounce their belief and leave their church. One if then is my uncle who went his whole life as a devout mormon a and even went on his mission but eventually looked in other directions, now he's one of the smartest critically thinking people I know. You've been conditioned to think a certain way about the universe and it's hard to break that. I was raised and baptised Catholic and never really cared about religion, only thought of it as a fact. But then I heard it was an option to buy believe it and blew my mind.
#94433 to #94427 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
I'm not really conditioned, I've studied to a degree the major world religions and find them all very fascinating but believe that the abrahamic ones are the closes to a real idea of god. I don't know where you get the notion that in order to be religious you must have not be able to critically think.
User avatar #94434 to #94433 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
You just proved that you're conditioned. You believe that abrahamic faiths are the closest idea to a real god because that one makes sense to you because it's been locked int oyour brain since you were a toddler. If I was told as a small child that the moon was made of cheese and until I was 21 never heard anyone disagree with it, I'd have a hard time changing my mind. "It's not made of cheese, you can see it's covered with dust" "yeah the dust covers the cheese". there's no way you could disprove it and even if you could i could continue to shift the goal post just like religion does. "god is directly above us in the clouds" "no he's not, we can prove it" "ok well he's still above us just far away" "no he's not, we can see within light years of earth" "well you can't see it" "we haven't detected anything near earth resembling something like that" "well it exists outside of time and space". its like the more science advances the more the idea of a god gets pushed out of existence and maybe eventually we will find out what started the big bang and offer an entire alternative to religion with naturalistic explanations.
#94439 to #94434 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
That's not a conditioning, that's an inherent belief. Its just as much conditioning to assume that we will find an answer that is simply naturalistic. A naturalistic explanation for the world is not sufficient to say that a God does not exist. Because a God could still be the causer. You assume that the universe can exist and work without a god being the prime cause and I do not. Both sides of this are conditioned based off of your definition of conditioning.
User avatar #94440 to #94439 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
No, not at all, considering I was born fro ma roman catholic society, everyone around me believes god created the universe, and I did too before I broke away from it and actually started to think about it. How can you say that? That implies anyone that was every born a christian HAS to be a christian for the rest of their life. that's not true at all. millions of people convert and deconvert all the time. And that's funny, you're basically saying you believe there's a god simply because it cannot be disproven. This is called blind faith. If this was 700 years ago you'd say rain happens because god. we know now through science that there is no god involved. Science states that if it cannot be tested then it's not worth believing.
#94473 to #94440 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
As far as explanation is the naturalistic view does how things work but not why things work. That's not what it implies that's what assume it implies. Lets put it this way, its not that I believe that a god must exist its that I believe that a god is more likely to exist because of the observations I have made about the world regarding morality, justice and truth. To say no god is involved is a presumption. I make the assumption that there is and you make the assumption that there isn't, Only I don't claim my position to be inherently superior. god is not something that science can prove or disprove, we must use philosophy to reason and decide whether or not god exist.
User avatar #94480 to #94473 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
That's where you wrong. I do not assert any claim that a god does not exist. I simply reject your claim that one does exist. This is what atheism means. I seem no reason to believe you are correct about the existence of a god so I wave it until one can provide evidence or proof that a god exists.
#94492 to #94480 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
That's the same thing. What you are trying place as the neutral position, atheism is not. Its the other end of the spectrum. the neutral position is agnosticism. To reject my assertion is the same as assert that a god does not exist. I'm not trying to prove god to you, god is not a provable thing, you understand that but insist that we prove god using science but considering that god is not something that is provable we can't use science...Do you not see the problem here. You don't have to believe in a god to know that you can't use science to prove god.
User avatar #94701 to #94492 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
I seriously just said that. Like literally just said that. In fact this is the second time ive stated this. Why are you still on this? Can we move on?
User avatar #94696 to #94492 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Jesus im not even going to bother reading that because it would only be insulting to my intelligence if I did. Never did I say if youre atheist automatically makes you also agnostic I said they are no exclusive to one another, you can be an agnostic atheist, a gnostic atheist, an agnostic theist, or a gnostic theist.
#94700 to #94696 - John Cena (11/21/2014) [-]
Stop getting so offended, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. I'm trying to get you to understand that being an atheist does not automatically mean you are agnostic. you can be, you are as you stated but atheism does not presume agnosticism.
User avatar #94687 to #94492 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
Are you telling me that isnt what atheism and agnosticism is? Please go look up what they mean because that is exactly what it is. Most people say "I believe god exists". That is not gnosticism. If someone says "I know outside of just emotion that I have empirical proof god exists" would be a Gnostic Christian. I do not claim to know god does not exist therefore I am an agnostic atheist. I am open to the possibility of a god existing if given sufficient evidence or proof, but so far, none.
#94689 to #94687 - John Cena (11/21/2014) [-]
being an atheist does not inherently mean you are agnostic.
Atheism is by definition Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
Agnosticism is by definition a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God. Prove in terms of science to prove god is not possible you know this, but we don't use testable science to prove god. We use philosophy and moral reasoning. using object science would get us no where because god is not a thing found in the observable world.

Are those the same? If so please show me how. Also you did not explain that you are an agnostic atheist, you simply called yourself and atheist. You must be clear if you intend to convince someone of your position.
User avatar #94524 to #94492 - kattr (11/21/2014) [-]
No its not the same thing. Its not a belief I do not belief there is no god, I lack belief in a god. I do not have proof there is no god, I just dont have proof there is o e. This is not an assertion. Atheism and agnosticism arenot exclusive to one another. I am an agnostic atheist. That means I do not know if there is a god and I do not believe there is a god. Agnosticism is not knowing whether a god exists or not, most reliogious people ajd atheists are agnostics unless you "know" your god exists which would be a stupid thing to claim without proof.
#94686 to #94524 - John Cena (11/21/2014) [-]
Do you not understand that religions claim to know god exist on the basis of faith? Without that faith the point of religion falls apart. I understand you don't want that faith, or don't accept that faith. But you see that this a part of religion right? Do you understand that the idea of faith in the existence of a god is essential to religion? You can have doubts but to be religious is to "know" your god exist on the basis of faith. Again if you are going to call this blind faith that is false. Sure some have blind faith but most do not. Most people believe based off of a personal experience and/or through historical and social context.
#94432 to #94427 - John Cena (11/20/2014) [-]
But you can't claim that you know with certainty that its wrong without a basis. Your claim does not align with the universe. Humans don't work that way, every religion has followers because it offers something that its followers desire or need. Again I could say the same for you, but does being in a situation where your opinion or worldview is not contested make it less valid? I would say not otherwise taking a non-religion view is not better than a religious view. Religion is apart of culture but it does not find its basis in culture. Its not that most people don't want to think of a world without god but that this world doesn't make sense without one. Not every religious person blindly follows religion, in fact I would say most don't. You have to understand that there are some people that do have blind faith and others that don't. Just like atheism the term religion is a blanket for various groups.
User avatar #94380 to #94379 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
Whatchutalmbout,kattr?
User avatar #94381 to #94380 - kattr (11/20/2014) [-]
yes
User avatar #94382 to #94381 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
Hahaha. Nice
User avatar #94371 - KINGOFTHESTARS (11/20/2014) [-]
*pours gasoline and old piss on the ground*
#94368 - lulzformalaysiaair (11/19/2014) [-]
He's gone guys.    
   
You can rebuild.   
   
We can reassemble   
This board can rise above what occurred.   
You... We are free.
He's gone guys.

You can rebuild.

We can reassemble
This board can rise above what occurred.
You... We are free.
User avatar #94426 to #94368 - cleverguy (11/20/2014) [-]
whats the point
#94376 to #94368 - mrspookygunship (11/20/2014) [-]
Then he comes back and unleashes a shitstorm .
Then he comes back and unleashes a shitstorm .
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