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User avatar #71625 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
Theists, support your claim of God's existence.
User avatar #71635 to #71625 - jokeface ONLINE (06/07/2014) [-]
Jelly-filled donuts. First of all their deliciousness cannot be explained by human science, and secondly, how does the jelly get inside the donut? Did it just evolve its way in there? I don't know. You don't know. We may never know. But I say God did it.
User avatar #71629 to #71625 - aoeui (06/07/2014) [-]
Shit posting bigot atheist. Begone, insolent fly!
User avatar #71633 to #71629 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
You're calling me shitposting as you go off on a rampage?
#71630 to #71629 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
you scared him
#71594 - alekksandar (06/07/2014) [-]
#71660 to #71594 - dehumanizer (06/08/2014) [-]
>tfw im not on that picture
#71661 to #71660 - alekksandar (06/08/2014) [-]
next time eat your vegetables and I might go over the thought about thinking about considering maybe possibly drawing you
User avatar #71606 to #71605 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
#71659 to #71644 - syrianassassin (06/08/2014) [-]
i will save this for future uses
i will save this for future uses
User avatar #71598 to #71594 - teoragnar (06/07/2014) [-]
I don't like Omars redesign.
User avatar #71602 to #71598 - alekksandar (06/07/2014) [-]
well, I'm an inconsistent artist.
#71583 - alekksandar (06/07/2014) [-]
Omar = syrianassassin
User avatar #71579 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
so Christians. if someone is going to join Christianity:
1- what kind of denomination you recommend him/her and why?
2- we hear about the bible and the versions, and every version in the bible have something different than the other (aka. the verse talks about the trinity is removed, or the ascension is being removed. or even a full chapter is being removed. or something is changed or being added).
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here is the link telling some verses deleted in some of the bible version. i would just like to know what is going on and why all of this.
this question is only for christians
User avatar #71617 to #71579 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
Best option, by far.
User avatar #71586 to #71579 - teoragnar (06/07/2014) [-]
1. Holy Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches or the Lutherianist reformed churches.
2. There have been a lot of reductions and different translations but if the main messages have not been altered I don't see a problem with this.
User avatar #71562 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
I was talking to a scot on google hangouts and he was using the Kalam argument. The objections to the premises of beginings got tiring so we went on the hypothetical of "if it needs a cause". He was saying that, in order to start time the cause had to be timeless. In order to create material it had to be immaterial etc. and the best option for an immaterial, timeless and powerful being is God. Then I said about how there are an infinite amount of things you can invent which have these properties, such as Titonomi, which is kind of like a toaster which pops out universes. Then he said that's ad hoc reasoning because I thought of Titonomi after the argument was presented. God has been presented with these properties before the kalam argument was used. He used the example of the Higgs Boson, it was thought of before there was a need for such a thing. Or gravity, people knew it was there before there was a theory of gravity. I'm wondering how much of this is valid, whether there are other examples of immaterial, timeless etc. forces which came before the kalam argument and whether it is ad hoc reasoning. Thanks.
#71585 to #71562 - dehumanizer (06/07/2014) [-]
So do you go ask for help on r/atheism when we are talking here?
User avatar #71588 to #71585 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
I don't go on 4 chan, I don't go on other sites though if that's what you mean. I probably won't meet this guy again so it's not like I'm trying to get help to take him down or anything, I just want to know where he went wrong, or if he did at all.
User avatar #71573 to #71562 - noblexfenrir (06/07/2014) [-]
Well two main problems:

First, you should have him explain his reasoning for god having to be immaterial, timeless, and powerful. If he's omnipotent, none of these should be required, thus making them assumptions based on limitations, something an omnipotent god would not have.

Second, his previous knowledge examples are basic at best. Take the steps in hypothesizing the Higgs Boson in reverse:

-Higgs Boson is confirmed.
-Tests are run to confirm hypothesis.
-Higgs Boson is suggested as a solution.
-Our current models suggests mass is not inherent.
-We discover the weak, strong, gravitational, electromagnetic forces.
-We discover atomic particles are broken into even smaller basic ones.
-We discover atomic particles.
-etc etc etc. You see where this is going.
-We determine matter exists.
-We observe matter.

His argument holds as much water as simply saying that the Higgs Boson was valid and thought of well before it was discovered, simply because we can see shit. (Or add whatever elegant dialogue you prefer to use.)

Simply because we "feel" the effects of gravity does not inherently mean we knew what it was on any meaningful level. Just because greeks thought Atlas held the earth up on his shoulders doesn't mean that had intricate knowledge of gravitational forces and spacial physics.

User avatar #71577 to #71573 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
I think it's more that that is what's in the bible or religion that he has these characteristics rather than assumption which he personally made. He thinks that God is omnipotent within the confines of logic and he considers the Kalam a logical argument, so it's justified that he could base it on the limitations.

It was more that he thought you could just replace the Higgs Boson with a cup of spaghetti, and say "Why do you think that the Higgs Bosnon is the cause of mass when it could just be this spaghetti?". It would just be ad hoc reasoning to make up new things after the fact, when there was already a fit hypothesis before the fact. He thought that all of the string theories were ad hoc also as they were just thought up as trying to refuse the acceptance of God or avoid God.

Why he used "God" and not the collective "Gods" I don't know, for polytheism predated monotheism and his argument relies on which idea came first. I'm not sure if the Christian God was always thought of as immaterial and such because I know of drawings and paintings which demonstrate that God is physically watching over earth and the name "Jehova" was a volcano God.
User avatar #71574 to #71573 - noblexfenrir (06/07/2014) [-]
Not to mention my last example is a perfect one of supernatural explanations being trumped by a better scientific one.
#71566 to #71564 - mr skeltal (06/07/2014) [-]
You don't need to reply to this, you obviously don't have any knowledge on this.
User avatar #71571 to #71566 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
You can say that abut any of his comments.
User avatar #71575 to #71571 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
>implying you have knowledge
User avatar #71645 to #71558 - feelythefeel (06/08/2014) [-]
I think you're misunderstanding the point of that image.
User avatar #71650 to #71645 - syrianassassin (06/08/2014) [-]
nah i am sure i know what does it mean
User avatar #71622 to #71541 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
How can you classify atheism? Unless you're suggesting that the default human is that.
#71542 to #71541 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
cringe compilation, shall we start it?
User avatar #71548 to #71547 - teoragnar (06/07/2014) [-]
User avatar #71563 to #71550 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
But God is causeless, sourceless, purposeless and meaningless you fucking muppet and you believe in that. The only thing you evade is the spontaneous part and that's not a big deal.
#71608 to #71563 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
If I am a muppet, can I at least be early-Kermit?
If I am a muppet, can I at least be early-Kermit?
User avatar #71632 to #71608 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
it looks like a dick with arms
#71637 to #71632 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
Anything of a certain length - as compared to a certain girth - can be considered phallic-like.   
Of course I'm just commenting upon it, you seem to be the real dick expert here.
Anything of a certain length - as compared to a certain girth - can be considered phallic-like.

Of course I'm just commenting upon it, you seem to be the real dick expert here.
User avatar #71639 to #71637 - thebritishguy (06/08/2014) [-]
I have the Ph D
#71640 to #71639 - caffeinecommissar (06/08/2014) [-]
So is its PH value alkaline or basic?
User avatar #71641 to #71640 - thebritishguy (06/08/2014) [-]
The Ph stands for "phalic" then the D stands for, well you know what that stands for Dinosaur
#71642 to #71641 - caffeinecommissar (06/08/2014) [-]
Right, I didn't catch a word of what you just said, but this guy next to me just drew this, and I think you'd like it.
#71565 to #71563 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
said the british faggot who cant get a bitch to fuck her in the ass

who have a meaningless life and will end up like a bitch and the animals will piss in his grave
User avatar #71567 to #71565 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/07/2014) [-]
That isn't an actual argument against what he said, all you did was swear and ad hominem, why do I even bother with a troll.

inb4 calls me names
User avatar #71576 to #71567 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
#71555 to #71553 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
I feel the same way with atheists as with anarchists. Also, apparently my 'And Yet Nothing Of Value Will Ever Be Lost' folder has disproportionately few atheist pictures. So I'm all out.
#71556 to #71555 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
exclude Hitler and lenin
#71559 to #71556 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
Hm... nope, oddly enough there aren't a lot of politicians in that folder.

Oddlier enough, Tolkien does, so does this count?
#71607 to #71561 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
Uh, wait. I just found a 4chan story on atheism.
User avatar #71646 to #71610 - feelythefeel (06/08/2014) [-]
I don't see new atheism on any of these posts.

But that's what you meant, right?
#71611 to #71610 - caffeinecommissar (06/07/2014) [-]
Sorry, all I have left is either political or social-justice bullshit in one way or another.
User avatar #71538 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
one of the stupid question any autistic new atheist will ask (which actually can be a trap to another heretical question):

if god exist, and every creator have a creation, then who created god? CHECKMATE ATHEISM...

god is never created, because being created is something which is not godly. and if you answered logically god is created they will say: but god is god! it is his holy power and he never is created!!

god is GOD and never created, he is first and last, so who created god is just an ignorant question.
User avatar #71623 to #71538 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
Something as infinitely complex as a god can not spontaneously exist. You have a paradox on your hands and you're not acknowledging it.
User avatar #71626 to #71623 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
nah, you people hope god is measured, but we fools cant even measure the space and we want to measure god?
User avatar #71634 to #71626 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
We can't measure space completely due to the lack of technology and the fact that space is constantly increasing in size.
User avatar #71636 to #71634 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
and god almighty is greatest then the space
User avatar #71638 to #71636 - paulallen (06/07/2014) [-]
How do you know this?
User avatar #71651 to #71638 - syrianassassin (06/08/2014) [-]
it is god quality
User avatar #71654 to #71651 - paulallen (06/08/2014) [-]
How do you know what God quality is?
User avatar #71657 to #71654 - syrianassassin (06/08/2014) [-]
from god 99 name
User avatar #71572 to #71538 - thebritishguy (06/07/2014) [-]
Well it would follow on from the arguments from theists such as
"If something is finely tuned to fit a purpose then there must be a purpose behind it, to think that it was just a coincidence would be irrational"
"This thing is so complex that it couldn't have just come about by chance, there must be a designer and consciousness who formed it because it's so complex"

These arguments can be applied to God.
User avatar #71578 to #71572 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
god is never created
only stupid people believe in god quality is to be created

#71529 - Deavas (06/07/2014) [-]
i hate jews
User avatar #71615 to #71537 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/07/2014) [-]
Since the day I was born, I have always wanted to be a virus.
User avatar #71533 to #71529 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
leave the orthodox jews alone ;_;
#71534 to #71533 - Deavas (06/07/2014) [-]
Those are the worst kind
#71536 to #71534 - syrianassassin (06/07/2014) [-]
said the masonic jews
User avatar #71531 to #71529 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/07/2014) [-]
---> /hating/

Ohhh and we hate you too.
#71535 to #71531 - Deavas (06/07/2014) [-]
#71491 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
lel lulzfornigeriagirl got butthuert
User avatar #71471 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]
Ahhhhhhhhhh..... This guy is.... his voice.. his usage of words... his clear train of thought.... ahhh
User avatar #71524 to #71471 - Cambro (06/07/2014) [-]
Very interesting and strong article. I think it covers its bases on the philosophy side--not all drugs can damage the mind and the idea that it hinders cognition and is thus bad is not a universal claim to all drugs.

Now the legal side. I'm not sure if anyone is really interested in this (I'm not even huge on it, just bored and willing to discuss), but Harris made some comments on the war on drugs that I disagree with. Jailing someone for drug use is often times ridiculous with how long their sentence is and for, usually, a crime that only harms them. But druggies with kids? Their not just damaging themselves. And dealers? They're aiding in the destruction of some people's lives. While it is still the consumers' choice, the dealer needs to face consequences for cashing in on junkies. Its like handing a suicidal mental patient a gun.
#71493 to #71471 - dehumanizer (06/06/2014) [-]
"Shalom my dear goy! Its me Sam Harris fedora kike extrodinare! Atheism is good just like drugs, you should try them good goy, inorder to achive true euphoria inject heroin in one hand and cocaine in the other! By buying drugs you are supporting international trade and multicultralism, there is no downside to them at all, also remember religion is for stupid blind people and that drugs are the real enlightment. If you do not buy and use drugs than you are a close minded,bigouted,anti-semite!
#71472 to #71471 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
why do you all make the things complicated as fuck?   
drugs are bad   
there is no need to put another  nerdy equations for 1+1=2
why do you all make the things complicated as fuck?

drugs are bad

there is no need to put another nerdy equations for 1+1=2
User avatar #71475 to #71472 - eight (06/06/2014) [-]
Drugs are great. They can save people. and they can be fun.
User avatar #71494 to #71475 - teoberry (06/06/2014) [-]
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes, crack cocaine, heroin, meth, tobacco, alcohol, ecstasty, molly, ketamine, methadone, opiates (specifically codeine) and benzos are all really fun, right?!!!1!!!!11111111
User avatar #71518 to #71494 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
There are a good amount of drugs that I have heard are fun, I don't do them. I haven't even tried pot, heavy on the alcohol though.
User avatar #71522 to #71518 - teoberry (06/06/2014) [-]
alcohols still a drug, and while some drugs are fun, the overwhelming majority are v bad
User avatar #71519 to #71518 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
not too heavy though, i aint no alcoholic.
User avatar #71521 to #71516 - teoberry (06/06/2014) [-]
bruh more drugs are bad for you than good.
User avatar #71500 to #71494 - dumerveil (06/06/2014) [-]
Aw come on. He said they can be fun, not that all drugs are fun.
User avatar #71483 to #71478 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
you do know drugs literally save hundred of thousands of lives right? you know what a drug even is?
User avatar #71485 to #71483 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
drugs = medicine
drugs = those things can be like alcohol
User avatar #71487 to #71485 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
"drugs are bad

You said this, you are therefore wrong.
#71488 to #71487 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
drugs  : references to those things like alcohol   
go fuck your sister in the street heretic
drugs : references to those things like alcohol

go fuck your sister in the street heretic
User avatar #71489 to #71488 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
My sister is 12, are you trying promote pedophilia?
User avatar #71495 to #71489 - teoberry (06/06/2014) [-]
she hot?
User avatar #71501 to #71495 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
She is athletic and tall and russian so yeah I guess?
User avatar #71502 to #71501 - teoberry (06/06/2014) [-]
you called your sister hot? what the fuck is wrong with you?
User avatar #71504 to #71502 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
#71490 to #71489 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
no i am promoting your stupidity
no i am promoting your stupidity
User avatar #71467 - acidjunk (06/06/2014) [-]
ITB: syrianassassin & heresy.
User avatar #71474 to #71467 - teoragnar (06/06/2014) [-]
User avatar #71454 - acemcgunner (06/06/2014) [-]
you guys say there isn't a god because you don't want to admit what you're doing is wrong so you below off the fact what you're doing is wrong by saying there isn't a god so in that fag logic of yours, there is no sins however we all sinners... so, good luck proven me wrong in this sense of logic cause I believe that's the only reason why any of you are scum, just because my brother-in-law says there is no god because so he doesn't feel bad about doing things wrong and he knows it's wrong...like, drugs and being a bad father and etc. , so admit your sins, the 7 deadly sins can cause you to broke the main 10... (in the bible)
User avatar #71527 to #71454 - teoberry (06/07/2014) [-]
Maybe y'all are retarded, but I can read this just fine. He's saying that people say there's no God so they can justify bad shit that they do.
User avatar #71662 to #71527 - acemcgunner (06/08/2014) [-]
User avatar #71523 to #71454 - teoragnar (06/07/2014) [-]
Please rephrase that.
#71492 to #71454 - aczzoh (06/06/2014) [-]
Maybe it's me, but I have fucking no clue what you're trying to say.
User avatar #71664 to #71492 - teoberry (06/08/2014) [-]
Probably because you failed reading comprehension and ELA in general at school, since I was able to decipher what he was saying quite easily. inb4 "hurrrr retards cn understnd eachother >:^))))))))))!111!1!1!!!!!!!111111"

User avatar #71665 to #71664 - aczzoh (06/08/2014) [-]
Well alright.
User avatar #71484 to #71454 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
What? You aren't even making any sense.
User avatar #71465 to #71454 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.
They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not.
In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.
And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."
Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.
And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.
And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers."
[But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.
Their example is that of one who kindled a fire, but when it illuminated what was around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness [so] they could not see.
Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return [to the right path].
User avatar #71469 to #71465 - acemcgunner (06/06/2014) [-]
Allah may be the same as jesus
I think what if Jesus came back in different times throughout history?
#71486 to #71469 - lulzfornigeriagirl (06/06/2014) [-]
I don't even know what to say for this.
I don't even know what to say for this.
User avatar #71470 to #71469 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
Jesus is not Allah, in the bible god is Jehovah, a translated name for Yahweh. Yahweh before was Elohim. Elohim is 2 words forged together, ELOH and IM. IM stand for his majesty.
in Arabic we say Allah jal jalaloh and in Hebrew his majesty Eloh (which forged to be Elohim, jesus is a servant sent as what the first testament said the there will be another messenger after Solomon PBUH
User avatar #71466 to #71465 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
Or [it is] like a rainstorm from the sky within which is darkness, thunder and lightning. They put their fingers in their ears against the thunderclaps in dread of death. But Allah is encompassing of the disbelievers.
The lightning almost snatches away their sight. Every time it lights [the way] for them, they walk therein; but when darkness comes over them, they stand [still]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
#71442 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
is this the time, to see the Christians and Muslims have a great debate together?????   
no more new atheism bullshit again?   
no more fedora fat ugly neckbeard faggots here?   
no more heretics ?
is this the time, to see the Christians and Muslims have a great debate together?????

no more new atheism bullshit again?
no more fedora fat ugly neckbeard faggots here?
no more heretics ?
#71434 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
what a beautiful board. not a single heretical shit is being posted by the autistic fedora wingling faggots
User avatar #71443 to #71434 - acemcgunner (06/06/2014) [-]
all praise the holy emperor!!!
#71446 to #71443 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
User avatar #71426 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]

Here's a video about cognitive dissonance
User avatar #71436 to #71426 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]

tell me how many minors signs came to be in our modern life
User avatar #71437 to #71436 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]
no. you're supposed to bring them up, I'm not supposed to search for them
User avatar #71438 to #71437 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
the first part
Time will pass rapidly. [Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad]
Good deeds will decrease. [Bukhari]
People will become miserly. [Bukhari]
There will be much killing and murder. [Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad]
Power and authority will be given to wrong people. [Bukhari]
Honesty will be lost. [Bukhari]
The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance [Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad]
A mountain of gold will be disclosed from beneath the River Euphrates, but we are not to take anything from it.
The appearance of 30 false messengers. [Bukhari]
Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching, will fight each other with large numbers of casualties. [Bukhari & Muslim]
Earthquakes will increase [Bukhari & Muslim]
Wealth will be in abundance, to the extent that it will be difficult to find someone in need of Zakat. [Bukhari]
When people begin to compete with others in the construction of taller buildings. [Bukhari]
A man will pass by a grave and wish that he was in their place. [Bukhari]
The conquest of Constantinople by the Muslims. [Ahmad, Muslim]
Stones and trees will help the Muslims fight against the Jews.
The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread. [Bukhari & Muslim]
Adultery and fornication will be prevalent. [Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah]
Women will outnumber men, eventually the ratio will be 50 women to 1 man. [Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad]
User avatar #71439 to #71438 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]
one at a time

and connect them to real life events
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#71422 - dehumanizer (06/06/2014) [-]

the average atheist preparing for a theological debate
User avatar #71427 to #71422 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]
Some of the slices were actually alright
#71428 to #71427 - dehumanizer (06/06/2014) [-]
notice how by the end he has a neckbeard
User avatar #71429 to #71428 - revengeforfreeze (06/06/2014) [-]
He had all the time
User avatar #71424 to #71422 - teoragnar (06/06/2014) [-]
>diet coke
#71425 to #71424 - dehumanizer (06/06/2014) [-]

this is why he cut it
#71405 - syrianassassin (06/06/2014) [-]
so yesterday ,the autistic heretical fedora wingling faggots tried to win against every debate butt all failed.
let me see them trying today and i will sure fuck em up again/it is WE or YOU autistic fedora wingling faggots
science board 1890+ comment
religion board 54906+ comment
if science is more important than religion. then go fuck your sister or one your family member in there.
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