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User avatar #81591 - KINGOFTHESTARS (07/30/2014) [-]
to which ever one of you faggots thought you could put words in my 'mouth' a few months ago, fuck your mom.

who was the homo who tried to add unnecessary meaning to my use of the word clusterfuck?
User avatar #81602 to #81591 - ribocoon (07/31/2014) [-]
I'll clusterfuck you all night long
User avatar #81592 to #81591 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
What the fuck are you talking about?
User avatar #81598 to #81592 - KINGOFTHESTARS (07/31/2014) [-]
It obviously wasnt you
User avatar #81589 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Are you fucking serious
Oh well, you're not hurting anyone but yourselves. I know of the information and you guyshave nnow lost it thanks to incessant shitposting.
User avatar #81586 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
Think about the following,
If you are teleported your body is destructed and then reconstructed.
Well this brings up the question is your conscience carried over? Or is it destroyed in the process?

And if you believe in the idea of the soul wouldn't this disconnect the soul and body as you technically die?
User avatar #81778 to #81586 - kanadetenshi (07/31/2014) [-]
Unless you a zombie.
User avatar #81802 to #81778 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Thanks faggot.
User avatar #81593 to #81586 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
If you're destructed you're dead, simply as that.
User avatar #81632 to #81593 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
But you have reformed.
User avatar #81588 to #81586 - whatley (07/30/2014) [-]
The consciousness is not an ethereal. magic thing, it's the result of interactions within the brain, the sum of parts. It'd be destroyed as it's parts were destroyed, and a new, identical one would begin to exist once the mind in the new body started working.

I don't believe in souls but it would most likely be destroyed, unless one was to assume that a soul, like consciousness, is a sum of it's parts, and then a new, identical one would be created.
User avatar #81803 to #81588 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
But if the conscience is destroyed we, as an individual being stop existing.
User avatar #81834 to #81803 - whatley (07/31/2014) [-]
Yes, and an identical version of you is then created afterwards, in a different place. It's a different but identical conscience.
User avatar #81836 to #81834 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
User avatar #81837 to #81836 - whatley (07/31/2014) [-]
If you were to create an atom to atom replica of a person and destroy the original then one would assume that the conscience would be there as well, the same as the original person. However, the problem here, being the "Problem with Star Trek travel", is that despite the new one being identical in every way to the original, it is not the same person, instead a copy.
User avatar #81843 to #81837 - undeadwill ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
But it is the same person reconstructed. For a brief moment that person exists as a design and then as a living object.
User avatar #81844 to #81843 - whatley (08/01/2014) [-]
Yes, but just because something is identical to something else it doesn't mean it's the same thing. You can have two sphere's called sphere 1 and sphere 2, but that doesn't mean sphere 1 is sphere 2.
User avatar #81590 to #81588 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Can conscioussness be quantified with quantum physics? That's what Max Tegmark believes, that we can see consciousness as a state of matter.
User avatar #81595 to #81590 - whatley (07/30/2014) [-]
No idea, no one knows really. Probably not though, doesn't seem right, consciousness would be stranger if it had foundings in quantum physics.
User avatar #81630 to #81595 - cognosceteipsum (07/31/2014) [-]
You sure you're not being too reductionisticö
User avatar #81587 to #81586 - syrianassassin (07/30/2014) [-]
i dont think anything of those is possible. when you die you die.
no more being alive except in the day of the resurrection
User avatar #81633 to #81587 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
What this is asking, is the conscience, psychical (the workings of the brain) or the minds metaphysical awareness?
User avatar #81634 to #81633 - syrianassassin (07/31/2014) [-]
you will only live once. and you are not a body niether a soul.

you are a self. once you die you die
User avatar #81636 to #81634 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Even if you are reformed?
User avatar #81637 to #81636 - syrianassassin (07/31/2014) [-]
you will never live after you day, only in the day of Resurrection. life and death is to god and not to us
#81584 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Are you fags done? Or is more shit coming?
#81585 to #81584 - syrianassassin (07/30/2014) [-]
for now it is done.
#81579 - syrianassassin (07/30/2014) [-]
i did promise with a full anti Semitic waves cleverguy and you kikes in here   
and i just brought it, this is only the beginning
i did promise with a full anti Semitic waves cleverguy and you kikes in here

and i just brought it, this is only the beginning
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User avatar #81557 to #81553 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
What the hell, man.
User avatar #81558 to #81557 - syrianassassin (07/30/2014) [-]
typical kikes
User avatar #81546 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Masturbation and sex with most humans is ok
#81538 - syrianassassin (07/30/2014) [-]
we have mad kike and nihilist here

User avatar #81539 to #81538 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
User avatar #81536 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
What do yo guys think about George Berkeley?
User avatar #81541 to #81536 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Who's George Berkeley?
User avatar #81545 to #81541 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
British philosopher.
He's an idealist (The only thing that exists are ideas)
User avatar #81551 to #81545 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Well, it's true that we can only perceive the world subjectively, but that doesn't make it less stubborn than materialism.
User avatar #81555 to #81551 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
Did you look him up?
User avatar #81560 to #81555 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Not much, or does his immaterialism differs from my interpretation?
User avatar #81578 to #81560 - undeadwill ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
He explains it better.
User avatar #81582 to #81578 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Obviously since I only used 23 words and he wrote books about it.
But to what work exactly are you referring?
User avatar #81528 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
was jesus God when he walked on earth? like was he omnipresent and everything? what is the belief there?
User avatar #81599 to #81528 - Cambro (07/31/2014) [-]

There are several different thoughts on this. I'm not clear on which side of the fence I stand, so I'll rather highlight 3 schools of thought on the subject.

1. Jesus had full omniscience and seeming omnipresence at all times on earth. This is seen clearly in the Gospel of John where Jesus tells Nathan what he was doing even though Jesus was miles away. This is what convinced Nathan that Jesus is really Jesus. There are other times Jesus show omniscience, such as predicting Peter's denial and Judas' betrayal.

This runs into problems, however, when you see that Jesus was also seemingly surprised at times. When the woman touches his robe he asks "who touched me? I felt power leave from me." He cries at the death of Lazarus before bringing him back to life. There are other examples, but these are off the top of my head. There is also what Paul writes where he states Jesus "poured himself out" to become human. What did Jesus pour out if still had access to all of these "powers," if you will, of God?

2. A theory called the "2 mind view to Christ." That is, Christ was fully divine and fully human. This results is Jesus had 2 separate minds--one in which he had access to the divine mind, and one in which he had access to his human mind. This now splits into sub categories.

a. Jesus has access to the divine mind at all times, but chose not to always access it. His "pouring out" was a willful action day-to-day and Jesus would use his power when he needed to do it to prove a point, fulfill prophecy, or make prophecy to further prove points (such as Judas and Peter).

b. Jesus did not have willful access to the divine mind, but was given access to it ONLY when God saw it useful for him to prove a point. Jesus gave up omniscience with becoming human and only could reach it if God granted it back to him and then took it away once again.

I am leaning toward 2a, but I haven't done the necessary research to affirm it for myself.
User avatar #81859 to #81599 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
i guess a corrollary question that might pertain to choosing a stance would be, did Jesus exist separately from God while he was human? like was there jesus on the ground and God in the sky?
User avatar #81866 to #81859 - Cambro (08/01/2014) [-]
"In the sky" is a bit bogus, but this is me nitpicking. God is transcendent. He doesn't reside anywhere physically, he simply is the transcendent realm.

Yes, God was still the transcendent realm and outside of Jesus while Jesus was on earth.
User avatar #81966 to #81866 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
that was just a turn of phrase, i know you don't believe god is "in the sky"

so there were to different incarnations of God in existence when jesus was alive?
User avatar #82351 to #81966 - Cambro (08/04/2014) [-]
Nope, one incarnation (that is, God living as divine). If you meant did God exist in more than one place, then that's also true. Though you must understand that I don't think God occupies any space, God is the transcendent realm. So any spatial terms are really insufficient. God existed "out" and "on" earth as Jesus.
User avatar #81542 to #81528 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Cambro and Teoragnar!
I believe he , like us, had some of Gods aspect but omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence are solely Gods qualities that's what I believe, we'll see with these other guys.
User avatar #81540 to #81528 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Depends on the definition of omnipresence, I would take it as a synonym for omniscience.
To your first question:
I would say that the human Jesus would be what Judaism describes as the perfect human ( the fully imitation of God) since He is God incarnated.
#81533 to #81528 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
>implying you wont get beaten to death in israel for beeing a christian
#81524 - thewillow (07/30/2014) [-]
Many people say that their meaning to live life is to ease the suffering of others; to add to the "goodness" of it all. But, suffering is real, "goodness" is illusory or simply a less negative state.

Why continue bringing others into this world? They are better off in non-existence, where they will not suffer.

Life has no objective meaning. Subjective meaning is an illusion.
There is no reason for you to bring others into this world to experience pain.
User avatar #81537 to #81524 - whatley (07/30/2014) [-]
You continually assert that meaning is subjective and subjectivity is pointless but you're audacious enough to act as if suffering and goodness is objective, when really it's far more subjective.
#81544 to #81537 - thewillow (07/30/2014) [-]
What causes an individual to feel pain is subjective, if it is based on their emotions.

But, both the feeling of physical pain and emotional pain are real, though. I don't see why you deny this.
User avatar #81554 to #81544 - whatley (07/30/2014) [-]
Yes, what causes pain and pleasure is completely subjective, and you claim that the world is full of pain, which is subjective and down to the individual, but you lump in all people as the same, and full of suffering, when each experience is down to opinion and subjectivity.

Also you arbitrarily set the scale of pain and pleasure with everything as suffering but some things just less so. I could just as easily arbitrarily set it so everything is pleasure and even the worst suffering is simply a less positive state, to contrast your less negative state.
#81527 to #81524 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
One of the reasons I am pro-abortion.
#81515 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
/religion/ is JERICHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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User avatar #81522 to #81509 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
Why are these words links?
User avatar #81543 to #81522 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Message from God.
#81523 to #81522 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
revenge is one strange kid

"son pls no, pls no"

User avatar #81525 to #81523 - teoragnar (07/30/2014) [-]
You're starting avatarfagging, too?
#81521 to #81509 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
Also if you need God for inspiration and guidance, you are morally lacking and a weak person. Yep I just used that argument, *tips*
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User avatar #81519 to #81509 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
was there a point to screen capping this, I don't see it?
#81482 - anonymous (07/30/2014) [-]
Any Taoists/Buddhists/Zen here?
User avatar #81485 to #81482 - cognosceteipsum (07/30/2014) [-]
Kind of. I'm an Omnitheist so I believe every religion has some right to it
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