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#68831 - repostsrepost (05/18/2014) [-]
Man, a good church can be kinda hard to find in a new area. A bunch of them are just done out of school auditoriums with powerpoints and stuff nowadays. Too modern for my tastes.
User avatar #68833 to #68831 - eight (05/18/2014) [-]
What's wrong with modern?
#68835 to #68833 - repostsrepost (05/18/2014) [-]
Nothing is really wrong with it. But for religion I prefer something more traditional. I'm used to the big churches with the pews, the missals, the stain glass, and the incense. Church in an auditorium or a small room just doesn't feel right to me. I have nothing against people who prefer those I realize it's a lot more common among some Protestant denominations.
User avatar #68846 to #68835 - eight (05/19/2014) [-]
I think that has to do with the lack of funds to build an actual church, so the next best thing, rent a space at much cheaper prices.
#68836 to #68835 - anonymous (05/18/2014) [-]
I think I know what you mean, many modernized churches just feel mall-ish to me, as though they're shoving away God for Profit
#68826 - minibeep (05/18/2014) [-]
i wish lulz would come back to hating board one day
#68890 to #68889 - minibeep (05/19/2014) [-]
then i guess il just have to be on the other boards more
#68804 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=htxOjJHB5-8

oyy veyy goyim, remember the 6 milion bible contradictions
User avatar #68828 to #68804 - thebritishguy (05/18/2014) [-]
The contradictions mentioned are things such as measurements, names or things which were very obviously relating to literal characters like "How did Judas die?".

The problem with allowing for open interpretation is that once you do that then people are able to interpret it to fit their own agendas or lifestyles. For instance during the abolition movement there were many debates between Christians on whether to abolish slavery. Both sides were not only using the bible to justify their position but the exact same verses.
#68953 to #68828 - dehumanizer (05/21/2014) [-]
I dont think slavery can be considered bad under christian principals.
User avatar #68956 to #68953 - thebritishguy (05/21/2014) [-]
Right, but most Christians I've spoken to say that slavery is wrong
#69046 to #68956 - dehumanizer (05/23/2014) [-]
>implying they can be applied accordingly
User avatar #68807 to #68804 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
"My subjective bias interpretation is better than the other thousands subjective bias interpretations"
#68810 to #68807 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
learn2theology
#68766 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
"religion no longer has any reason to exist and will disappear in the near future"

discuss
User avatar #68891 to #68766 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/19/2014) [-]
agnostic on the subject, religion could be a product of human nature
User avatar #68842 to #68766 - gigamuffin (05/18/2014) [-]
Religion brings people comfort. When things go bad, like they've lost a loved one, they can pray to god to give them comfort.
User avatar #68858 to #68842 - choobe (05/19/2014) [-]
This is a logical fallacy, "Appeal to Consequences". I can see your point, but all the same, you can find comfort without God(s). I have long ago made peace with the fact that I am going to die, and (probably) never exist again. And I (probably) am pretty weak-minded, so I'm guessing other could do that too.
User avatar #68824 to #68766 - teoragnar (05/18/2014) [-]
Feuerbach said that almost 200 years ago. Never happened.
#68795 to #68766 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
yeah sure thing moshi
User avatar #68808 to #68795 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
Any mention of atheism and humanism is banned in North Korea. NK ranks among the lowest regarding rights for atheists.
#68852 to #68808 - anonymous (05/19/2014) [-]
Probably because not worshiping the glorious leader is punishable by your grandkids being forced into the labor camps.
#68811 to #68808 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
Oy vey what a shoah. 6 000 000 atheists are getting gased in north korean camps right now for their beliefs.

NK are still atheists, they're just not practicing ones like you.
User avatar #68812 to #68811 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
The reason they're so totalitarian is because they have a religious mindset.
#68813 to #68812 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
Yeah they're theists when beeing atheists.
User avatar #68827 to #68813 - thebritishguy (05/18/2014) [-]
I can't believe you openly denounce the thought that women are equal, it's not even part of 1984 anyway, unless you some how derive it from the sexual repression. Also in 1984 big brother hated diversity.
#68954 to #68827 - dehumanizer (05/21/2014) [-]
>implying women are equal

lol
#68814 to #68813 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
theistic =/= religious

They're only atheist in the aspect that they don't believe in a supernatural god, most buddhists are also atheist. What makes North Korea religious is their devout worship to someone they consider omnipotent, omniscient, divine and his morals should never be challenged, sounds awfully similar.
#68815 to #68814 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
you are forgetting that no one with actual poewr over nk society actualy belives that
User avatar #68799 to #68795 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
is that second one a picture of South Korea and Best Korea?
#68801 to #68799 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
obviously
#68802 to #68801 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
it was a guess based on the lights

present me with the outline alone and i wouldnt have guessed that it was korea
User avatar #68789 to #68766 - eight (05/18/2014) [-]
Probably not for awhile. I do think the current religions will start thinning out in the next thousand years or so. They've already started doing that to a degree(I think). Eventually the current religions will probably be looked at in the same way we currently look at Pagan beliefs or other ancient, dead religions and there will be something that has replaced it.
User avatar #68783 to #68766 - dumerveil (05/18/2014) [-]
I don't see religion going away anytime soon, nor do I want it to.
Not sure about the first part, though.
User avatar #68782 to #68766 - bluenebula (05/18/2014) [-]
I would think religion has plenty of good applications, and will stick around for as long as there are humans.
User avatar #68776 to #68766 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
people will always fall for some stupid story over evidence, the less you have to think the more willing you are t o believe it.
#68777 to #68776 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>people will always fall for some stupid story over evidence
have you considered that many of these "stupid" religious stories might be trying to provide important lessons on how to live life in a morally correct way rather than provide factual evidence on how the universe works around us?

>the less you have to think the more willing you are to believe it.
(pic related)
User avatar #68819 to #68777 - schnizel (05/18/2014) [-]
How are flying horses going to help me?
User avatar #68820 to #68819 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
do i look like a personal therapist to you or something?
User avatar #68821 to #68820 - schnizel (05/18/2014) [-]
Do you believe in God, Allah and Muhammed as his prophet and do you hold Gods words and the word of Muhammed as the ultimate truth and are you going to follow those words until death?
#68822 to #68821 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
dis faggot is still going by the assumption that islamic fundamentalism is the only version of islam which exists in todays world
User avatar #68823 to #68822 - schnizel (05/18/2014) [-]
Is it allowed to not follow the islamic faith and its fundamental laws and obligations just as your prophet and God said?
Now I shall wait for two answers.
User avatar #68778 to #68777 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
yes, and there are much better sources for how to live a moral life than most of the religious texts o have had the pleasure of reading, or being read, or spouted at me.

if you didn't know about gravity, you would be more willing to believe Ted the magic invisible man pushes it down than a complex theory about gravity.
User avatar #68779 to #68778 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>there are much better sources for how to live a moral life than most of the religious texts
so youve read every bit of religious text which has existed throughout history?
what are the chances that these "better sources" actually incorporate many of the moral guidelines which are provided by religious texts and simply provide an improved version of them in a given context?

>...pleasure of reading, or being read, or spouted at me.
im getting the impression that youre someone who has a personal vendetta against religious preachers rather than a person who can think rationally

>if you didn't know about gravity, you would be more willing to believe Ted the magic invisible man pushes it down than a complex theory about gravity.
"if God is responsible for everything that has happened in the universe (and possibly beyond), God's reach must suddenly stop at the complex theory of gravity because of plot and reasons and because it fits in perfectly with my anti-theistic views"
User avatar #68784 to #68779 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
many, of course not all, but i also don't go as far as to say that "the book of Mormon" is a complete different religion than christian. i have very limited knowledge of Shinto, and Buddhist practices, the Muslim faith is a Abrahamic faith so there wasn't too much more i had to deal with that, my father is catholic, my mother a christian, so got got good doses of those, a friend was a Satanist in high school so i heard about that, the African religions are harder to get a hold of for me to study in depth, the few other faiths i also know about are not as interesting nor hit as close to home as the others i have mentioned.

yes of course a "better" source is going to contain some of the same things as a lesser source, it wouldn't be better if it didn't.

no, have nothing against them, some of the nicest men i met are preachers, i just don't agree with their ideas, and they don't agree with mine.

no, if a god does exist, i have no problem with it, the mountains of evidence to the contrary would be moot if a god would reveal himself.

now onto the gravity point, yes it is simpler for one to believe in a god, and all powerful being that can do anything, to be used to explain something, same as it is just as easy to claim magic, or aliens. that doesn't mean it is correct, the theory of gravity is simple, but not easy to grasp to those who do not want to listen.
User avatar #68805 to #68784 - revengeforfreeze (05/18/2014) [-]
No need to discuss with hm, he's just going to think he is always right anyway
User avatar #68845 to #68805 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
don't we all?
#68948 to #68876 - masterboll (05/21/2014) [-]
i dont think id be having this debate if i thought that he was right and i was wrong
User avatar #68786 to #68784 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>i have very limited knowledge of Shinto, and Buddhist practices, the Muslim faith is a Abrahamic faith so there wasn't too much more i had to deal with that... the African religions are harder to get a hold of... other faiths i also know about are not as interesting
tl;dr: your knowledge on religious texts are no where near enough to be stating that "there are much better sources for how to live a moral life than most of the religious texts", because you have superficial understanding of some religious texts and havent actually read most of the religious texts that exist

>no, have nothing against them...
your comment was suggesting otherwise

>no, if a god does exist, i have no problem with it, the mountains of evidence to the contrary would be moot if a god would reveal himself.
you seem to be having a sudden change of heart for unknown reasons.
as for the "mountains of evidence to the contrary", religion has been proven and disproven all the time but when it comes to whether God exists or not, i seriously doubt there is evidence to going against something that is unfalsifiable.

>it is simpler for one to believe in a god
its only as simple as one makes it. there have been scientists throughout history who have been theists trying to discover how God works through science, so no, believing in God doesnt necessarily make someone ignorant like youre suggesting

>...the theory of gravity is simple, but not easy to grasp to those who do not want to listen.
i completely agree with this. except its almost as if you were trying to convince me in the previous comments that getting a grasp of the theory of gravity and being a theist is mutually exclusive
#68790 to #68786 - xsnowshark (05/18/2014) [-]
Excellent rebuttals
Excellent rebuttals
User avatar #68830 to #68797 - xsnowshark (05/18/2014) [-]
Nope, I'm being serious
User avatar #68787 to #68786 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
no, i have a broad understanding of many religions, because i know how many religions act i can assume what type of thing a religion would contain, same as i may not see in infrared but i can understand something shown to me that allows me to see in infrared.

you suggested otherwise, i just don't like the continual "god is your master" that gets blasted too often for my liking

no, i was suggesting that an ignorant person is more likely to believe in a god, than in science

if that is how it sounded i am sorry, i was using it as an example, not as the panacea for religious belief. what i was saying is that a person who is more knowledgeable about how the world works is less likely to believe in a deity, not a 100% thing, but more common that they do not believe in a deity, or worship science, or mathematics, or some other such thing as a fundamental truth, and therefore a "higher power"
User avatar #68796 to #68787 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>i have a broad understanding of many religions, because i know how many religions act i can assume what type of thing a religion would contain
i dont think thats how having a broad understanding of a religion actually works

>an ignorant person is more likely to believe in a god, than in science
an ignorant person is also likely to blindly accept science without questioning it or having any knowledge on its feasibility and reject religion based upon how the non-religious portray religion. an example is the number of atheists who blindly accept the theory of evolution out of duty (or whats seen as normal for an atheist to believe in) rather than actually understanding what it is. this argument goes both ways.

>a person who is more knowledgeable about how the world works is less likely to believe in a deity
i mentioned in one of my previous comments how things like science, or mathematics, or some other such thing as a fundamental truth are merely explaining how God works with the universe and do not necessarily contradict the existence of God
User avatar #68843 to #68796 - silverzepher (05/18/2014) [-]
i can assume a book has a beginning a middle and an end, i can assume this because i have read many books. i can assume that i can use money to pay for my groceries at a grocery store, because i have been to many grocery stores, so yes, when you put a little thought behind it, it is how it works.

yes, but that doesn't make it any less true.

you are placing belief in a god before the things themselves, taking out that they would be how the god "works" and would change it to how we are manipulated.
User avatar #68767 to #68766 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
Agree with the first point, second point is very unlikely.
User avatar #68768 to #68767 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
elaborate on why you agree with the first point
User avatar #68769 to #68768 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
Because religion doesn't provide anything that others can't get without it.
User avatar #68770 to #68769 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
"ive made £100 from selling clothes at the local clothes shop. however, i can also make £100 from selling groceries at the local food store, therefore, there is no reason for the clothes shop to exist"
User avatar #68771 to #68770 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
False analogy. Local clothes shops and local food stores have clear distinct purposes.
User avatar #68772 to #68771 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>Local clothes shops and local food stores have clear distinct purposes
so does religion and the alternatives to religion

what kind of alternatives are you currently thinking of?
User avatar #68773 to #68772 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
Then give me one thing religion can realistically provide that alternatives cannot?

Non-religious alternatives. There are secular charities, secular communities, there are secular ways to appreciate life, there are secular ethics an philosophy. Religion doesn't really do anything new or noteworthy. The only difference between religion and the alternatives is that religion slaps a god on it.
User avatar #68775 to #68773 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>Religion doesn't really do anything new or noteworthy
false. religion exists in many different forms, ranging from those that existed during the earliest times in human history to more modern ones. there are some which are irrelevant to modern way of living and some which are very relevant. religion isnt necessarily an information centre, but more of a system which provides guidelines and principles for various aspects of life

>Non-religious alternatives. There are secular charities, secular communities, there are secular ways to appreciate life, there are secular ethics an philosophy.
the same thing can be said about non religious alternatives - religion already provides charities, communities, religious ways to appreciating life, and religious ethics and philosophy so non-religious alternatives do not need to exist

>The only difference between religion and the alternatives is that religion slaps a god on it.
alternatively. the only difference between the alternatives and religion is that the alternatives dont include god in it. this part doesnt help answer the question
User avatar #68809 to #68775 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
Again you've failed to provide anything new or noteworthy about religion that can't be done any other way.

You're analogy about the same thing can be said about non religious alternatives is a false analogy and a red herring. The fact that it doesn't include god in it makes the alternative way the default position.

Take swimming for example. You don't need a belief in fairies to swim, therefor there is no reason to believe in fairies. And then trying to respond with "well same thing can be said with swimming without fairies" makes absolutely no sense, because swimming without fairies is simply swimming a.k.a the default position on how to swim.

So stop throwing red herrings and answer the question, give me one thing religion provides that the default position does not.
User avatar #68816 to #68809 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>Again you've failed to provide anything new or noteworthy about religion
asking me to provide you with something "new and noteworthy" is asking me how people are making use of religion in todays world, in their own ways, different from what is already written in religious texts. this attempt to deliberately try and corner me by asking me how people are reforming what is already established demands an absolute answer. there is no absolute answer to your question because it differs from person to person and with the introduction of newer branches out of traditional religions.

>The fact that it doesn't include god in it makes the alternative way the default position.
we clearly have differring views on what is meant by "default position". let me put it into a different perspective: secularisation is a shift away from traditional religious practices, so all of these secular alternatives are the alternatives, and not the default positions if they are already provided by religion

>because swimming without fairies is simply swimming a.k.a the default position on how to swim
except we're not referring to fairies when we speak of a creator. this is a poor analogy because it cherry picks characteristics of something which is much more complicated and best understood in terms of how the universe works around us, and replaces it with something that is not responsible for how the universe works around us.

>So stop throwing red herrings and answer the question, give me one thing religion provides that the default position does not.
youre percieving religion as an extention of non-religious practices rather than something which is actually providing these "default positions"
User avatar #68817 to #68816 - kanadetenshi (05/18/2014) [-]
The absolute answer is that there is nothing that religion gives us that other alternatives don't.

The difference between secular and religion is that the secular alternative doesn't include anything. So when you're doing charity you're not doing secular charity, you're just doing charity. That's why it's the default position.

You're misunderstanding the point. What i'm saying is that swimming without fairies is not an alternative way of swimming, it's the default way of swimming. Just as doing anything without religion is a default position. And there is no false analogy in it, you're just special pleading so that you can justify believing in a magical being that has just as much evidence as fairies do.

Because religion IS an extension of non-religious practices.
User avatar #68818 to #68817 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
>The absolute answer is that there is nothing that religion gives us that other alternatives don't.
youre saying that replicating an existing function renders the existing function useless

>The difference between secular and religion is that the secular alternative doesn't include anything
that would be "secular" from an atheist's perspective because it suggests that a shift away from traditional religions is automatically a shift towards atheism

>So when you're doing charity you're not doing secular charity, you're just doing charity. That's why it's the default position.
except religious charities are motivated by religious teachings, and arent simply charities. so no, its not this "default position" youre constantly trying associate with non-religious practices

>Just as doing anything without religion is a default position.
according to you, yes. youve made that clear.

>you're just special pleading so that you can justify believing in a magical being that has just as much evidence as fairies do.
like my previous comment states, cherry picked characteristics that are both common with fairies and God doesnt exactly give a decent analogy as theism and the concept of a creator is much more complex than fairies

>Because religion IS an extension of non-religious practices.
(refer back to previous comment for same response)
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User avatar #68749 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
why do people here still talk to Omar and take him seriously? let him go build sandblock homes in arabia.
User avatar #68829 to #68749 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/18/2014) [-]
said the person who have 50+ accounts perma banned linked to him
User avatar #68792 to #68749 - teoberry (05/18/2014) [-]
Ad hom
User avatar #68850 to #68792 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/19/2014) [-]
I'm not in an argument dumbass, didn't i already show you the difference. When I enter an argument with someone and then start calling them names, then you can use that.
User avatar #68758 to #68749 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Still waiting for lulzforturkmine...
User avatar #68855 to #68739 - feelythefeel (05/19/2014) [-]
"This list is a joke, all these scientist and artists were good but can't compares with jesus, they didn't bring good message and love in the world, hitler was simply a evil who wanted to kill people, and the others smarts but didn't know enough, scientist know just 3% of the truel of the life"
User avatar #68877 to #68855 - revengeforfreeze (05/19/2014) [-]
Lol yeah saw that
User avatar #68752 to #68739 - teoragnar (05/17/2014) [-]
That whole list is a joke.
User avatar #68754 to #68752 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Figuratively or literally a joke?
User avatar #68755 to #68754 - teoragnar (05/17/2014) [-]
Figuratively.
User avatar #68756 to #68755 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Eh, I honestly think hawking is well put
User avatar #68757 to #68756 - teoragnar (05/17/2014) [-]
Some, put the whole idea is fundamental flawed and it won't be possible to create a objective "ranking" of these people because it's based on subjective views.
#68742 to #68739 - marinepenguin (05/17/2014) [-]
Influential maybe, but smartest?
User avatar #68764 to #68763 - marinepenguin (05/17/2014) [-]
Were you agreeing with me or saying that he was a super super smart man.
User avatar #68765 to #68764 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Considering I an the one who posted the link and the following "xD"... I am agreeing with you
User avatar #68800 to #68765 - masterboll (05/18/2014) [-]
xDDDD
#68750 to #68742 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
how do you know
User avatar #68762 to #68750 - marinepenguin (05/17/2014) [-]
There's no evidence to suggest that he was THAT intelligent. I believe he possessed above average intelligence, but there's nothing that would make you think he would rank in the top 10 most intelligent people.
#68794 to #68762 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
>imlying theres a thing such as smartest
User avatar #68798 to #68794 - marinepenguin (05/18/2014) [-]
...I never said anyone was the smartest?
#68803 to #68798 - dehumanizer (05/18/2014) [-]
but he knew things beyond the undesrtanding of mankind
User avatar #68825 to #68803 - marinepenguin (05/18/2014) [-]
That depends upon your opinion of whether he was the son of God or not.

Following your logic Muhammad, Buddha, The Emperor of Japan, and any other prophet or divine figure should also be on that list.
User avatar #68740 to #68739 - princessren (05/17/2014) [-]
the fact that anyone can vote on this makes it null and void
and also just trying to compare different types of brilliant people in different fields in a list is rather silly
also I am pretty sure Tesla (while brilliant) is only number 1 because of hipsters
User avatar #68741 to #68740 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Lol yeah I guess. Manny people don't even know his contributions including me. Fucking oatmeal intellectuals
User avatar #68703 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
dehumanizer, aczzoh.. what is your beliefs
User avatar #68710 to #68703 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
I realise I'm a third wheel here, but I'm a Christian. Can't see the point of living in a world that doesn't care, and have seen enough kindness to tell me someone's watching out for us.
User avatar #68926 to #68710 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/20/2014) [-]
Then how do you explain natural disasters and terrible things that happen to people for no reason? Good things happen, but so do bad ones, and I'd argue the latter are more severe and common.
User avatar #68744 to #68710 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
Kindness is all genetics.

"Can't see the point of living in a world that doesn't care"

The world is not a person.
User avatar #68806 to #68744 - dasistwunderbar (05/18/2014) [-]
Well if you take the hypothesis that God is real, then yes, the world is effectively a person. Also, nurture, not nature.
User avatar #68851 to #68806 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/19/2014) [-]
"Well if you take the hypothesis that God is real, then yes, the world is effectively a person."

No shit, that's if you look at the world from a completely faith based perspective. Therefore your reasoning literally can't be used because you have already implied a side to take....
#68915 to #68851 - anonymous (05/20/2014) [-]
Dude, the point of faith is that I don't need reasoning to believe something. The experiences I've had have convinced me that there are some things we cannot understand, and I believe god is one of those things. This is why religious arguments are redundant, because by definition, each side cannot take the other side's evidence as anything other than lies or hokum.
User avatar #68949 to #68915 - yarr (05/21/2014) [-]
But you're not explaining why you're a Christian, just why you believe in a god.
Mind me asking where you have witnessed kindness that made you believe in a god?
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#68916 to #68915 - anonymous (05/20/2014) [-]
^^ This one's me, forgot to log in
#68917 to #68916 - anonymous (05/20/2014) [-]
GOddamnit
User avatar #68925 to #68918 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/20/2014) [-]
Yep, that's why I can't argue with you. Thanks for re-iterating my point....
User avatar #68759 to #68744 - teoragnar (05/17/2014) [-]
"The world is not a person."
I think you need to overcome your wit for a second and consider the many meanings of word "world".
User avatar #68723 to #68710 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
That's what I think, I have a very kynical view in that people betray, people are motivated by their own self interest, and they are just competing about who gets to replicate the most DNA. But I live, man. I still have empathy and sympathy for people, I try to care for people and do the best I can (mostly) and help people. Though, I wish that the human race die out some day because the ending of this is what would give life meaning while it is like it is. Else it's just an endless struggle, you know?
User avatar #68724 to #68723 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Hmm, I feel you on the empathy thing, but I think that you have to learn to let the cynicism go. I've been there, and I find that if you expect the worst, you see it everywhere. Do what I did, and try looking at things in a sunnier light. It genuinely makes you happier, and people respond better to it as well.
User avatar #68725 to #68724 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
to be honest
I don't really have anyone to prove anything to, since I'm pretty much the background character of the movie "the world", so I don't really think it matters tbh. Maybe close people would get annoyed though, I'll see. But I think much of it is also genetic, so it's kinda hard to change.
User avatar #68726 to #68725 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Hey man, don't do it for those other assholes, do it for yourself. Oh, and trust me, you are the fucking A-list celebrity headliner of somebody's movie.
User avatar #68728 to #68726 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
Well.. thanks :| but I feel kind of safe too in it... like I ain't missing any deet's and looking at reality, all the while not STARING at it so that I go insane as Nietzsche did but still
User avatar #68732 to #68728 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Dude, you go up to life, you stare at it for at least 30 seconds, like until it starts to feel uncomfortable, thenyou kick it right in the balls and you make it your bitch. Trust me man, success is there for the taking if you have optimism.
User avatar #68733 to #68732 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
I must say it's quite nice to see someone enthusiastic regarding other people and wants to inspire. I guess I need to work harder
User avatar #68717 to #68710 - thebritishguy (05/17/2014) [-]
>Implying that whether a statement is true or false or not has anything to do with the implications it has on whether life has a meaning.
>implying we can't care for each other unless God exists
>implying implications imply implicatory by the implicator
User avatar #68718 to #68717 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Not saying that people aren't good people, and certainly not saying atheists are any worse than believers, but the way I see it, the fact that we can ignore our animal instincts in order to help the people we love or even complete strangers indicates some kind of guiding presence, like a father.

Implications imply that the implicatory impliers imply their implications on the implied implications. And all that it implies.
User avatar #68719 to #68718 - thebritishguy (05/17/2014) [-]
Animals can do this also, I checked out this cute documentary of unlikely animal friends and they had birds being friends with mice and such. There is evolutionary value to love and kindness, seeing as we need to take care of our children to perpetuate our genes and we need to work together to build and protect our children to grow in a safe community. But even so there isn't a lot of kindness in the world, every day I see racism, bombing, crime etc.

you win
User avatar #68793 to #68719 - acemcgunner (05/18/2014) [-]
lol holy shit
#68722 to #68719 - princessren (05/17/2014) [-]
link?
link?
User avatar #68734 to #68729 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
D'awww I saw bit of that too, I need to watch the whole thing
User avatar #68720 to #68719 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Man that show was the shit, that orangutan with the dog, cute as hell. But I think I might be explaining myself wrong. It's not that I think God is making us be cool dudes, but rather the fact that cool dudes exist and are even the norm instead of rarities makes me feel that there is someone that we can't quite understand that's looking out for us. Who says god doesn't like animals too?
User avatar #68727 to #68720 - thebritishguy (05/17/2014) [-]
I don't think they are the norm, many people seem cool to me but then the more I get to know them I dislike them more. This would be the set up of a hypothesis
Observation: "There are many cool people, I wonder why?"
Hypothesis: "Maybe there are cool people because a God made them and watches them, I better test this hypothesis"

A hypothesis is only good if it is testable, otherwise there's no way of knowing whether it's true.

I just added the animal thing as a sort of side note.
User avatar #68731 to #68727 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
OK, first off, please use the scientific term of cool dudes, and secondly, I appreciate that for some people, they can't make that leap of faith, and that's fine. If someone's a cool enough dude, I don't think God's gonna give a shit if they believe in him or not, it'd be hard to imagine a being of unlimited power and knowledge having an inferiority complex.
User avatar #68735 to #68731 - thebritishguy (05/17/2014) [-]
All righty then
User avatar #68736 to #68735 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Good discussion.
I hope you find happiness, whatever you choose to believe, you seem like a pretty cool dude
User avatar #68712 to #68710 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
me too, what you think of westboro?
User avatar #68713 to #68712 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Shitlords I guess. They're cruel and opportunistic, and I can't really feel any kind of homophobia is justified
User avatar #68714 to #68713 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
WWJD? what would Jesus do?
User avatar #68716 to #68714 - dasistwunderbar (05/17/2014) [-]
Well, flipping over tables and chasing people with a whip is within the possibility space! But fo srs, seeing as he was the shepherd sent by the lord and all, my best guess is try and make them see sense.
User avatar #68791 to #68716 - acemcgunner (05/18/2014) [-]
he use the whip on people lol
plus, he had every right cause they was using the temple as a shopping place
#68706 to #68703 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
im a chronic shitposter
User avatar #68708 to #68706 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
god loves you
#68709 to #68708 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
but i dont love myself
User avatar #68704 to #68703 - aczzoh ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
atheist
User avatar #68707 to #68705 - aczzoh ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
Because I have not been provided with any valid evidence or logical reason to accept the existence of a God.
User avatar #68711 to #68707 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
the bible was left for that isn't good enough? of course , mostly read new testament..
User avatar #68979 to #68711 - acemcgunner (05/22/2014) [-]
unless it's connected
User avatar #68927 to #68711 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/20/2014) [-]
If you believed Christianity because of the holy book for it then you'd have to believe every other religion with a holy text as well.
User avatar #68980 to #68927 - acemcgunner (05/22/2014) [-]
unless it's connected
User avatar #68981 to #68980 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/22/2014) [-]
How is it nope? You just don't like the others so you apply a different reasoning to them than you do the Bible?

I'd love to see you try to explain that one.
User avatar #69108 to #68981 - acemcgunner (05/24/2014) [-]
i'll always find a way...
User avatar #68745 to #68711 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
The bible isn't evidence.
User avatar #68760 to #68745 - teoragnar (05/17/2014) [-]
That's debatable.
User avatar #68849 to #68760 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/19/2014) [-]
sure it is. so are all books written with so called witnesses in them!
User avatar #68715 to #68711 - aczzoh ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
No, it isn't.
User avatar #68700 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
**acemcgunner rolls 04** if dubs than praise the al mighty lord for his blessings
User avatar #68701 to #68700 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
close thank god anyway
User avatar #68687 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
Owl City - In Christ Alone (I Stand) his my cornerstone!!!
User avatar #68688 to #68687 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
In Christ Alone- Owl City lyrics this is lyrics
#68678 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
what do you think if this is Adam and eve? (bottom left of picture)
User avatar #68856 to #68678 - feelythefeel (05/19/2014) [-]
I'm not sure whether to suspend my disbelief or not. I mean, on the one hand they're essentially prehistoric humans, so why aren't they freaking out? On the other, they're prehistoric humans in the bible, so this shit kinda happens all the time.
User avatar #68884 to #68856 - acemcgunner (05/19/2014) [-]
right ,one god and the other is a angle or they are gods
User avatar #68689 to #68678 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
what do you people think of this?
#68685 to #68683 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
your mother is best ass
User avatar #68682 to #68678 - eight (05/17/2014) [-]
Damn Nords always in my way.
User avatar #68684 to #68682 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
thanks lol however this board needs to be reformed into a new board, we must go on a god-like quest to bring back the funny here, instant of hurtbutt bate fags and science bullshit with all them forafags....and fucking discussing/trolling/debates
Jesus we need it back!!! this is funnyjunk, damn it!!!!!
User avatar #68690 to #68684 - eight (05/17/2014) [-]
Just pray harder. This time really mean it.
User avatar #68691 to #68690 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
are you saying that to be nice? cause I know you don't believe what I believe plus, the bible said that prayer sometimes take action, too...sometimes
User avatar #68692 to #68691 - eight (05/17/2014) [-]
Just poking fun.

I often say that one to family members that tell me they're going to pray for me for being an atheist.
User avatar #68695 to #68692 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
I do the same for my super retarded yet atheist brother-in-law...pot-head and a bad parent, plus if you met me, I promise you will agree that he will give atheist-ism a bad bad name... not on the nothingness part but on the science part...
User avatar #68693 to #68692 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
god doesn't even want us to force it.. he just wants to spread and say his word, I try not to force it on anybody however it's my way of life so, I guess you could walk away easily..i don't know
User avatar #68601 - ThatFatMummy (05/17/2014) [-]
Kemeticism is best ism
User avatar #68599 - finblob (05/17/2014) [-]
Joseph, Better You Than Me
User avatar #68653 to #68599 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
not bad
not really what i'd usually listen to but still not bad.
#68575 - thebestpieever (05/17/2014) [-]
You all motherfuckers need to give yourselves to God... zilla.
User avatar #68746 to #68575 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
the movie was so mehh... like really meh

Still don't get why Godzilla came to defeat them in the first place.
User avatar #68677 to #68575 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
that pun was a-ok..
User avatar #68577 to #68573 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
>Corrupt News Network
>Truth

pick one
User avatar #68588 to #68577 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
so the stories about MERS, the coal mine and donald sterling were fake too?
you are in denial my friend
User avatar #68647 to #68588 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
american news are bad
when a country allows 17 state to fuck with animals i need to know the truth from them
User avatar #68747 to #68647 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
Nice fallacy.
User avatar #68648 to #68647 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
so, if one thing is bad in a country that means everything is bad in that country? I understand.

you mean it's not possible to pick the good things and leave the bad?
User avatar #68649 to #68648 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
oh tell me the good thing that come out form a country that fuck their pets
User avatar #68650 to #68649 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
sam harris
lots of food
they work VERY hard for their money and stuff so they are dilligent
dude, I'm on fucking expert on the US but they are not all bad, you have to realize that.. just naive to assume otherwise
#68656 to #68650 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
>jew fedora faggot
>actualy america imports lots of its food
>most big corporations earn money from wage slave labor in the 3rd world
User avatar #68748 to #68656 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/17/2014) [-]
hahahaha that's a good comic
User avatar #68658 to #68656 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
>k
>they still have food that is basically their own, they just have a large variety
>uhm... the large corporations fuck over the people of the US too dipshit
#68659 to #68658 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
>inb4 yellowstone
>good goys
#68661 to #68660 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
**dehumanizer rolls 67**
User avatar #68662 to #68661 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
If you freeze frame, you can pinpoint the moment at which dehumanizer realizes he has no idea what to say next
no h8 bro but some of the things you say here are batshit insane
#68670 to #68668 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
i dont even do this willingly anymore, send help
User avatar #68671 to #68670 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
at least you're not insane as guy below... -_-
#68672 to #68671 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
>implying i dont multiacount
#68674 to #68673 - dehumanizer (05/17/2014) [-]
well your implications are wrong

just relax, everything will be ok
User avatar #68651 to #68650 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
no sorry, a people who fuck their pets i dont want them near me
they are like bad oranges, and will only make the good oranges bad oranges
User avatar #68652 to #68651 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
terrorists are middle eastern
therefore I should not interact with you because you are middle eastern
the mers virus comes from the middle east
therefore I should avoid you
that's the same logic
it. does. not. hold.
User avatar #68654 to #68652 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
quran.com
i brought proof before they fuck animals
now bring me a proof from my book we must be terrorist ^w^
oh by the way here is Syrian army fucking the free shit army terrorism supported by american zoophilian government

The Punishment - Bye Bye Terrorist - 33 - ביי ביי טרוריסטים GO ASSAD
User avatar #68655 to #68654 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
where is the proof that they fuck animals?
you have to prove that the entire country has intercourse with animals
and that them having intercourse with animals somehow makes them not be able to tell the truth
really, dude. there's no shame in agreeing with something a serial killer said, it is not automatically defiled because he said it unless it's something contradictory to his behaviour, then it's kinda hypocritical.
User avatar #68663 to #68657 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
1. they appeal to emotion. I see that this is a tragedy, but they are making the perpetrators seem like evil monsters when they are most likely just mentally ill. I don't like that. I'm not for this practice, not by a long shot, i had trouble finishing (no pun intended) the article but I do understand that these people are not by their right mind.
2. Zionism? This said nothing about the Jews
3. There were no links to the claims that 17 states allowed zoophilia and this is the only link you've posted. You need to give more sources in order for me to believe it. This is not sufficient
4. The american government does not control CNN. So what this has to do with CNN or the people of the US I have no idea. The american government does not really represent it's people, from what I've heard. I don't really know myself.
User avatar #68664 to #68663 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
still zoophilia bullshit is allowed
your argument is invalid
those people are bad with practice the most pathetic behavior in this universe
User avatar #68667 to #68666 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
>implying
User avatar #68589 to #68588 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
CNN never say the truth
User avatar #68593 to #68589 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So are you saying no coal miner has died in Turkey?
User avatar #68600 to #68593 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
so are you saying that brainwashing is working ?
User avatar #68607 to #68600 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
No, you can't answer a question with another question?
User avatar #68641 to #68607 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
go post ad hominem on another user
lel
User avatar #68613 to #68607 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
well idk, CNN say the truth to you
User avatar #68590 to #68589 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
the stories about mers were everywhere
the stories about the coal mine was in the news in my country and surely other countries
go ahead and go to turkey and tell them cnn is lying about there being people who have died
donald sterling story is on youtube, you can check it out yourself
User avatar #68592 to #68590 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
no sorry if they are on other and came up to CNN then no please
User avatar #68594 to #68592 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
what do you mean?
User avatar #68596 to #68594 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
brainwashing news
User avatar #68627 to #68626 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
al jazera
BBC

OH LOL
User avatar #68629 to #68627 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
what about them, are they also brainwashing and lying?
sincere question, I don't read a lot of news.
User avatar #68632 to #68629 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
al jazera no .1 zionist middle east channel
we call it al khanzera which mean the pigs
User avatar #68636 to #68632 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
any proof that it's zionist..?
User avatar #68637 to #68636 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
testing my country news
LEL
User avatar #68640 to #68638 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
this is our news and you are saying you need evidence???
User avatar #68642 to #68640 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
yes.
that's akin to saying "this is my religion, I know it in and out, therefore I don't need to prove that it's true"
User avatar #68643 to #68642 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
then when i say something about my country or religion you put your hand on your mouth and listen and accept
you will never know the strawberry is sweet until you taste it
User avatar #68644 to #68643 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
if someone like my mother says "the strawberry tastes sweet" without me having tried it, I trust that person. you know? trust? that's a little bit like saying you never know lava is hot until you put your fucking hands in it, bs, dude. we have recorded experiences and knowledge in books and stuff like that, you just have to trust many of the things. many of them correspond with reality too, we can measure things. but you could easily prove to me that it's zionist by showing me some zionist news or that somebody jewish is owning it, but no. I have to take your word for it, right?

No, I don't, that's fucking stupid. That's as if I said "my country has proved every single god and religion wrong", are you supposed to accept that? WOULD you accept that? Hell to the fuck no, dish out evidence.
User avatar #68645 to #68644 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
you telling me this like you are going to teach your professor biology......
User avatar #68646 to #68645 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
stop with the analogies, bring me some damn evidence... I would trust any anthropologist over you any day of the week to be honest because you have a tendency to avoid responsibilities such as firm evidence
User avatar #68604 to #68602 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
im talking about the channel itself
the whole channel is like brainwashing people
User avatar #68610 to #68604 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So, every single thing they say is a lie?
User avatar #68616 to #68610 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
Corrupt news network and truth
dont mix
User avatar #68620 to #68616 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Answer my question, don't act muslim.
User avatar #68621 to #68620 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
2 brainwashed 4 me
User avatar #68624 to #68621 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Are you refusing to answer my questions?
User avatar #68625 to #68624 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
because it is like talking to a robot
User avatar #68631 to #68625 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So anyone who wants answers is a robot?
Your vision of reality is similar to those paranoid psychopaths.
User avatar #68633 to #68631 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
2 robot 4 me
User avatar #68608 to #68604 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
but if you look at the first ones. then look at the cnn one. then you can look for differences. if they all look about the same, then you can conclude they are not lying.
User avatar #68611 to #68608 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
i dislike the channel, they just brain wash people
User avatar #68615 to #68611 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So you say they are brainwashing, but you can't explain it.
Good for you.
User avatar #68617 to #68615 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
yeah
thank to zionism for this beautiful channel
User avatar #68622 to #68617 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
What zionism
User avatar #68623 to #68622 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
be stupid in another place
User avatar #68628 to #68623 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
I want you to show me the example of the alleged manipulation.
User avatar #68630 to #68628 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
sorry when you finish your school and pass it and join the university come act like genius
User avatar #68634 to #68630 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Ad hominem.
User avatar #68635 to #68634 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
yeah this is your only answer as always
User avatar #68639 to #68635 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Not my only answer and the ad hominem is located here:
>sorry when you finish your school and pass it and join the university come act like genius
It's intended towards a person that is in the argument, not the topic itself.
User avatar #68586 to #68577 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So, you are saying that their article is a lie?
User avatar #68587 to #68586 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
do you believe in the corrupt news network????
User avatar #68591 to #68587 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
For once in your life can you write a grammatically correct sentence?
And depends on the type of the information.
User avatar #68595 to #68591 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
please go away with your brain washing TV shows
im too busy for you
User avatar #68597 to #68595 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Then why do you talk to me?
User avatar #68598 to #68597 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
why did you reply to me
go talk to the people who are brainwashed like you
User avatar #68603 to #68598 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
Because I want to see your reply.
Why am I brainwashed?
User avatar #68605 to #68603 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
ask CNN
User avatar #68606 to #68605 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
I'm asking you.
User avatar #68609 to #68606 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
no ask your lovely truthful channel CNN
User avatar #68612 to #68609 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
I'm not saying they are objective every time.
User avatar #68614 to #68612 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
then what dehumanzer posted is bullshit
User avatar #68618 to #68614 - schnizel (05/17/2014) [-]
So, the article is false, what proof do you have to counter the article instead of using a strawman.
User avatar #68619 to #68618 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
corrupt news network
truth

oh lel
User avatar #68554 - personalspace (05/16/2014) [-]
Anyone else find priests in shows kinda cool? m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-mpoZDWpzo
User avatar #68492 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
all the people on this list: thegrohltroll, acemcgunner, draaaaiven, revengeforfreeze, theugandanhero, kanadetenshi, dehumanizer, ipostcp are nothing but fedorafags and they love colorful talking horse!!!
they should know that there logic in Science is flawed..
and turn to real Science such as the bible and god..
User avatar #68562 to #68492 - feelythefeel (05/17/2014) [-]
I'll admit, kind of dissapointed that I'm not on that list.
User avatar #68566 to #68562 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
cause you touch yourself
User avatar #68552 to #68492 - ThatFatMummy (05/16/2014) [-]
I really thought I was active enough on this thread to get mentioned.

But then again, I don't fit that description.
User avatar #68565 to #68552 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
lies from a fat ass!!
User avatar #68506 to #68503 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
god is watching you do bad against him
#68499 to #68492 - draaaaiven (05/16/2014) [-]
>real science
>god
User avatar #68501 to #68499 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
draaaaiven is true worshiper of pinkie pie and the mane 6!!!
#68502 to #68501 - draaaaiven (05/16/2014) [-]
all hail our new overlord Ponkie Poe
User avatar #68505 to #68502 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
heresy
User avatar #68493 to #68492 - revengeforfreeze (05/16/2014) [-]
you post mlp yourself
User avatar #68495 to #68493 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
pinkie is best pony, silly!!
User avatar #68487 - revengeforfreeze (05/16/2014) [-]
life is dead

reality is the goal the universe set for life

life's meaning is different for every god as well as not god

I am not part of life

I am with life
#68490 to #68487 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
that was shit and your logic is flawed..   
Science isn't even real, you non-believer!!
that was shit and your logic is flawed..
Science isn't even real, you non-believer!!
#68509 to #68490 - dehumanizer (05/16/2014) [-]
your shitposting stinks
#68511 to #68509 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
geez!!!! #R00d, that's really mean!!!
yelp!! it's a internet bully!!!
User avatar #68474 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
hey, thegrohltroll, ipostcp, acemcgunner, dehumanizer, kanadetenshi, revengeforfreeze, theugandanhero, princessren, personalspace, Fiction, how are you? lets be friends and if not, well then you are the greedy Jews who took my foreskin to hell to eat!! we should totally have a orgy and do satanic worship to our awesome dark lord!! and dance around a camp fire with baby heads on sticks... that's how we should make friends with a awesome party like that
#68482 to #68474 - dehumanizer (05/16/2014) [-]
isnt that what atheists do

>inb4 fedorafags
User avatar #68483 to #68482 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
yes during sex they yell out "oh! my logic!!! ohh~" lol
User avatar #68478 to #68474 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
dammit man now I imaging myself eating foreskin.
#68480 to #68478 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
everyone's face when they see this madness
User avatar #68486 to #68480 - theugandanhero (05/16/2014) [-]
Definitely not what madness looks like but keep trying asshat.
User avatar #68488 to #68486 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
why such a little bich bro?
User avatar #68533 to #68488 - theugandanhero (05/16/2014) [-]
Explain to me how you came to that conclusion about myself.
Also, you're one to talk.
User avatar #68564 to #68533 - acemcgunner (05/17/2014) [-]
you sooo silly mr.nutter
User avatar #68418 - teoberry (05/16/2014) [-]
I'll bring the smackdown on your beliefs here's my record: 14 christians defeated, 9 muslims conquered, 6 jews clobbered, 2 buddhists buttwhooped, even showed an agnostic loser which side to take. bring on the fight buddy I go to yale.
unless you're a rastafarian in which case I can't resist a poen, nicely rolled joint with a fella' like you
User avatar #68470 to #68418 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
you can't destroy me foolish warrior
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User avatar #68430 to #68418 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/16/2014) [-]
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAH no shitposts pls
User avatar #68426 to #68418 - silverzepher (05/16/2014) [-]
communism is best ism
User avatar #68427 to #68426 - revengeforfreeze (05/16/2014) [-]
islmk gommjunism
User avatar #68424 to #68418 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
Never forget the 6 jews.
#68422 to #68418 - dehumanizer (05/16/2014) [-]
I killed 6 million atheists.
User avatar #68468 to #68422 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
holy shit?
User avatar #68421 to #68418 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/16/2014) [-]
you wanna show muslims defeat???
User avatar #68567 to #68421 - teoberry (05/17/2014) [-]
no lol, it's a copypasya
User avatar #68576 to #68567 - syrianassassin ONLINE (05/17/2014) [-]
oy vey
#68420 to #68418 - princessren (05/16/2014) [-]
and a partridge in a pear tree
and a partridge in a pear tree
User avatar #68400 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
This is my first post here, so hi.
I always wonder, how can atheists be certain that there is no God? I'd love to argue with an atheist about this.
Where do they think the universe came from? The Big Bang, ok, but what caused the Big Bang?
And what is the origin of life on earth, namely Humans? As a religious person, I still believe in evolution for animals, but I don't think that humans and apes have the same ancestor, because we are far more advanced than every animal in the world, I don't see why wouldn't some animals evolve to be at least as intelligent as us, or a little bit less if evolution made us. Animals rely basically on instinct, whereas we have intelligence. So I believe that the creation of Man was a special case, where God gave us a unique gift/responsibilty which is our Mind.
My last point is the representation of God, atheists think that we believe that God has the form of a man who lives in sky, which is rediculous, God is a supernatural being, He's omnipresent, above the laws of nature, above everything that He's created. It is a habbit to look to the sky while praying, that's because we look up to God.
So if you're an atheist and would like to argue about this I'm all ears.
User avatar #68834 to #68400 - thebritishguy (05/18/2014) [-]
The vast majority of atheists aren't certain, I take the position of "I don't know so I don't believe".

I don't know what caused the big bang or whether it has a cause, as the law of cause and effect has only been observed in our universe and we don't know whether it can be applied to the universe itself.

I don't think we are that advanced biologically, we have only made such great progress recently, for the vast majority of our time here we were illiterate, had a life span of about 30 years if we were lucky, didn't know about germs, dinosaurs, galaxies, atoms, basic hygiene etc. we are advanced because we are standing on the shoulders of giants, I don't think our genetic make up had much to do with it. The gap between human and animals is non existent, I mean there were "animals" such as neanderthal, homo erectus, homo flesis, etc. which were just as intelligent as us and made complex tools, it's even thought that they taught us a thing or two.

God is very anthroporphic, he has human emotions and characteristics such as love and jealousy.
User avatar #68560 to #68400 - christmouth (05/17/2014) [-]
Most atheists I know aren't sure if there is a god or not, but they don't believe there is.

How can you believe evolution is occurring, but not for humans? That's irrational. We are part of nature, whether some like it or not, and saying that we're not evolving is like saying that humans aren't part of nature, which is wrong.

"...atheists think that we believe that God has the form of a man who lives in sky"

This is not strictly for atheist. It says in the bible, that God made man in his own image, and it wouldn't be preposterous to think that God looks like a man according to that. The thing with him being a man in the sky? I think it's fair to assume that it has something to with that Jesus ascended to heaven.
User avatar #68504 to #68400 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/16/2014) [-]
Well, I'm not certain there is no god, but the rational assumption when there is no evidence for a scientifically unfalsifiable claim is to assume that it does not exist. If you do not understand what I mean, then read the following link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

There is a big difference between not believing in something, and believing something does not exist, even if both could be classified as Atheists.

I don't know where the matter in the universe came from. I think it's foolish to claim to know, whether on a scientific or religious basis, because according to our current scientific theories it's impossible to know or find out.

Well, you can believe that humans and apes don't have the same ancestor, and you would be entirely incorrect. Science is true whether you believe it or not.
User avatar #68441 to #68400 - bluenebula (05/16/2014) [-]
The most simple answer I can make?
When you hear me say "The universe is created from the big bang" you don't think I'm correct. You feel it. You can not understand why I think that way? Well, that same exact feeling happens when you say the world is created by god. An atheist gets that same feeling you do. That same doubt. That same lack of understanding of your viewpoint. So if you can answer WHY you don't understand, or WHY you believe what you do, then you have already answered that question for the other person as well.

We are all human, and so we tent to follow the same thinking patterns. It's really a case of "Put myself in their shoes"
User avatar #68481 to #68441 - acemcgunner (05/16/2014) [-]
this post taste like bullshit
User avatar #68425 to #68400 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
1. Most atheists aren't certain there is no god, just that they don't believe in one.

2. Quantum fluctuations can violate the conservation of energy allows the creation of particle-antiparticle pairs of virtual particles out of nothing. Quantum Mechanics is evry odd like that.

3. The evidence that we have the same ancestor is overwhelming, it's in our DNA, fossil record, chromosomes, ERV's, Vestiges and many other independent scientific fields that verify it. Chimpanzees, Gorrila's and Urangutans have shown identical cognitive skills and intelligence as humans, they can solve problems at a very fast rate, learn sign language and build/use tools. To say that we're special because we are more advanced is complete nonsense and ignores the massive evidence that shows how we got so intelligent in the first place.
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User avatar #68477 to #68475 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change—it is said to be conserved over time. Quantum fluctuation is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space.

Hence quantum fluctuations violate the conservation of energy.
#68484 to #68477 - draaaaiven (05/16/2014) [-]
Energy is always conserved. The thing that makes quantum fluctuations appear to have violated the conservation of energy is because it changes eigenvalues of the hamilitonian of the system.
#68479 to #68477 - draaaaiven (05/16/2014) [-]
It only appears to be violated for a dissipatingly small time frame.
User avatar #68485 to #68479 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
Yes it's only around 10-23 seconds, but it's still a violation.
User avatar #68489 to #68485 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
When i mean 10-23 seconds i meant it in regards of 10-23rd of a second.
User avatar #68432 to #68425 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
2) I agree, but you have to think about the reason why this happened, physics isn't my field of study so I can't argue about the facts. And what you said actually makes my faith stronger, since God said that He created the universe from nothing, this may as well be the explanation or part of it.

3) I understand that, but as smart as they get they will never be as smart as us, I'm not taking anything from them. Apes have proved to be one of the smartest animals on earth. So it's very likely that God took there "model" enhanced it, and gave us our intelligence. After all a human is an animal, biological and genetical similarities are sure to be found but our ability to create complexe social norms, to create, to question morals, to question our existence is what makes us human, It's not just our skills.
User avatar #68433 to #68432 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
I don't know about the reason, it has to do with very abstract concepts of quantum mechanics. If that makes your faith stronger fine by me but there is no reason to invoke god into a scientific mechanic that doesn't need a god, a natural cause is much more plausable.

Our "enchancement" is the result of natural selection, many factors come into play such as our dependence of tool use, our invention of writing down our idea's and the increase in brain size caused by our meat diet. All apes have complex social norms, they encompass moral behaviour, they mourn and questions things, almost everything humans have can be found not only in other apes but also other mammals and even in some bird species. To say that just because our intelligence is more sophisticated that it means we aren't great apes contrary to all evidence is akin to saying that god must've made ants seperate from all other insects because they have a much more sophisticated colony than all other insects.
User avatar #68436 to #68433 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
Why are separating God from science?
To me, religion and scirnce are the tools to understand this world.
User avatar #68437 to #68436 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
Same reason i'm seperating unicorns from science.

Science is about emperical, falsifiable evidence. God is not emperical nor is he falsifiable, he's therefor unscientific. Religion cannot be a tool of understanding the world because religion doesn't make accurate predictions about natural phenomena and provide evidence for it.
User avatar #68440 to #68437 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that God is scientifical, He is above nature therefore above science. He created religion to guide us morally and science so that we can understand how this world works.
You're reasoning only by using exact sciences, and as important as they are, they're not enough to explain the human nature.
User avatar #68442 to #68440 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
False, science is more than enough to explain human nature, religion doesn't explain anything, it just gives "what if" scenarios without evidence.
User avatar #68445 to #68442 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
I specifically said "exact" sciences, you're leaving out social and human sciences (such as philosophy, sociology...) that rely heavily on morals. Religion's first purpose was to establish morals, ethics would then come to question these morals and how could we apply them in our society.
By saying that exact sciences are enough to explain human behaviour and nature you are reducing humans to simple machines.
Science relies as well on a paradigm adopted and decided by us, the minute that paradigm stops being relevant , the register of the questions that are asked and the ways of interpretation will change, so what we know now may be proven false in the future.
User avatar #68448 to #68445 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
Social science has been more and more relying on natural science such as evolutionary psychology and anthropology. Philosophy is pretty much useless in this day and age. Religion cannot factually or logically claim what is moral or not since they don't have evidence, you can say that god tells us what's moral or not but that is an insufficient reason since we don't know whether he exists or not.

Mathematics relies on a paradigm adopted and decided by us, but that doesn't make them untrue. The reason science works is because it provides evidence for it's claims. And all evidence shows that we are simply biological organisms, just as any other animal.
User avatar #68452 to #68448 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
That doesn't make them true either, we don't know the exact truth, we can only see a fragment of it, this is why theories exist. All the scientific discoveries are relevant now, but once there is a shift in the paradigms they may become useless.
Philosophy and ethics are necessary to separate what's good from what's bad, every profession needs to incorporate these 2 in its practice.
I can't argue your questioning of the morals because that will brings us back to the main idea which is whether God exists or not.
User avatar #68453 to #68452 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
So you're saying 1+1=2 is not true? Thanks for the perspective. Science is self-correcting, there are shifts in paradigms but they always lead towards the truth. Like Isaac Asimov said "When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together"

Science can easily determine what's good and what's bad through logic and reasoning, most animals even show morals, empathy and altruism and they don't need religion or philosophy for it.
User avatar #68457 to #68453 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
You're taking very specific examples, our main subject is far more broad, we're talking about the origin of life. Humans have been able to see that the earth is closer to spherical than flat, and 1+1 is 2, but we haven't seen how and why we were created .

Animals have some sense of right and wrong, they have some morals that is rooted in their instinct. We have a conscious therefor we can question our morals.
User avatar #68465 to #68457 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
We can literally see organisms evolving today, we have seen experiments where non-organic molecules can develop into organic molecules, we can see the very background radiation that caused the big bang. We know how the universe formed and how life developed.

Our sense of right and wrong and our conciousness are also rooted in instinct, everything we do can be traced back to instinct. Many animals have conciousness, in fact the african grey parrot's conciousness is nearly identical to human complexity.
User avatar #68467 to #68465 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
btw if I'm annoying you you can simply tell me to shut up, I don't want to come off as a dick
User avatar #68466 to #68465 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
I'm not saying the whole idea of evolution is a lie, that would be stupid, all I'm saying is that the case of human beings is different. Same goes to the big bang, it just may be how God created the universe.
Depending on what you mean by consciousness, cognitive consciousness? Yes the parrot may as well be capable to understand what's around him and see some near consequences to his acts. But that's only because of instinct and habits.
However a human is not only aware of his surroundings, he studied them and understood their nature. The complexity of human consciousness is explained best by doubt, a human can doubt his beliefs and morals, unlike animals that are very static in that field.
User avatar #68471 to #68466 - kanadetenshi (05/16/2014) [-]
Saying that humans are magically different and not related to other great apes is just as stupid as denying evolution altogether.

Our conciousness is also the result of instinct and habits, our ability to doubt an examine is also based around instinct and has been linked by various neural networks within the brain.
User avatar #68476 to #68471 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
it is but it's not just instinct. Instinct is the lowest form of intelligence, we are far more than that, a kid will rely on instinct of course but as we grow up each one of us develops his own way of thinking, of understanding things, and I'm sure as hell not saying that the brain has no role in it. Creativity, doubt, and all the complex feelings such as being proud and optimistic show that our mind is far more superior to anything this nature has.
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User avatar #68417 to #68400 - revengeforfreeze (05/16/2014) [-]
I'm not certain at all. Look, I don't even really believe in 'knowledge'. There is subjective knowledge but there is no objective knowledge is my take on it, not exactly sure what it implies but I mean that you can never really say "something is something" because it's different on the quantum scale, for example. Maybe if you took the entire universe into consideration it would also be different, not sure. I mean, there's said to be higher dimensions too.
User avatar #68423 to #68417 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
Idk man, there is a difference between saying there is no knowledge and saying what we think we know can be false. If you mean that you can never be sure about something, I'm with you, after all we don't know the ultimate truth, we only have a register of theories that may or may not be true, but they are the best that we can have at the moment.
This is where religion kicks in, the only being that can know this ultimate truth is God, He is the all knowing being, and He will only reveal this truth to us once we meet Him.
User avatar #68581 to #68423 - revengeforfreeze (05/17/2014) [-]
What I mean is even though we may call it true we may never confirm so, so we could callit true from our point of view but not universally true.. I guess?
User avatar #68401 to #68400 - theluppijackal (05/16/2014) [-]
First I would like to say I'm not an atheist

The Divine Mover cause is an argument I actually like, but atheists usually reply 'well that caused God' or something to that effect

Second that's not quite how evolution works. Evolution just dictates survival of the fittest. So when our ancestors -- some random ape in some random jungle -- first picked up a rock and made it into a tool or weapon, that was the first sign of intelligence or whatever.
I won't pretend I fully understand how evolution works, but it does.

Thirdly, most atheists tend to use this straw mans interpenetration [the big bearded dude in the sky] to their advantage. It's easy to pick apart.
User avatar #68404 to #68401 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
I believe that what you described there is Natural Selection, while evolution is really the biological process where organisms evolve under the influence of the environnement, that involves as well genetics and epigenetics.
User avatar #68405 to #68404 - theluppijackal (05/16/2014) [-]
I haven't read fully enough on evolution. I just know it works.
I've mostly been reading about physics and religion for the past 5 odd years
Though I do have a few books on evolution somewhere, I just gotta get around to reading them.
User avatar #68406 to #68405 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
Evolution works there's no question about that, even humans evolved, we are not the same as the humans that existed thousands of years ago. My main point was that, we didn't evolve from a simple animal
User avatar #68407 to #68406 - theluppijackal (05/16/2014) [-]
So you think God guided evolution? Or something like that?
User avatar #68408 to #68407 - thegrohltroll (05/16/2014) [-]
Of course, it's a natural phenomenon so it is under the authority of God.
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