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#100527 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
Christian Ninja Force
Christian Ninja Force
#100528 to #100527 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
no offence i swear.

i just found it in /int/
#100522 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
blog.lgbthealthlink.org/2011/06/06/transgender-science-biology-and-identity/

A larger index means you're gay while a shorter index means you're straight


Guys, I have bad news.........
#100575 to #100522 - ribocoon (02/05/2015) [-]
I call BS
My index is way shorter than ring and middle
If it were that obvious to determine there would be a lot more abortions
User avatar #100529 to #100522 - thirteenthdoctor (02/04/2015) [-]
I have a shorter index finger, and I'm gay as fuck.
Puttin' all dem dicks in my face.
Having meaningful relationships with people of the same sex.
Chokin' on dem balls.
User avatar #100534 to #100529 - syrianassassin (02/04/2015) [-]
nigga dats ghey
#100525 to #100522 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Straighter than a straight line
User avatar #100526 to #100525 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
in the other side
#100516 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
Quantum Relativity

ay whatley take a look at this
#100498 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
HEY GUYS AHMET IS CAUGHT HAVING GAY BUTTSEX
#100505 to #100498 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
I always loved that painting.
#100508 to #100505 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
tell us about your inner gay fantasy then.
#100509 to #100508 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
It ain't gay to love watching 2 guys fuck.
User avatar #100510 to #100509 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
HAHAHAHHA

FAGGOT
#100511 to #100510 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Said the cocksucker.
#100512 to #100511 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
>2015
> not doing bar mtzvah

go away goy. sucking lil penises is the best.
#100517 to #100512 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Want me to busta cap in yo ass?
#100499 to #100498 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
LET US ALL CELEBRATE
#100501 to #100500 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
getting real tired of your shit turks

i was going to come
User avatar #100492 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
www.humanianimaliliberati.com/concept.htm

I found this to be interesting. What is this about?
User avatar #100452 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Hey yo,

i just had a discussion about war in Islam
funnyjunk.com/Islam+the+religion+of+mass+murder/funny-gifs/5442493/40#40

can anyone tell me where i made a mistake?
User avatar #100478 to #100452 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
You talked to a brickwall that was the mistake.
Also Mongol religion played not even a tiny role in their conquests.
#100482 to #100480 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Got a problem?
User avatar #100463 to #100452 - thekame ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
>Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
It appears that you are struck against him claiming that this hadith proves that the prophet started war. In truth however this hadith proves nothing without the historical context in which it was revealed. If this hadith is actually about waging war with everyone until they are all Muslims, why did the prophet(saw) not do this? It is much more likely, and this is the common interpretation, that "the people" does not refer to all unbelievers, like schnizel says, but rather refers to a specific group of people that was already at war with the prophet(saw).
User avatar #100473 to #100466 - thekame ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
waging war and starting wars is not the same thing. Also the greatest chunk of this land was conquered by the first three "kalifs" (more like munafiqs, actually) and what they did is irrelevant to the interpretation of hadith if it goes against the teachings of the prophet.
User avatar #100476 to #100473 - schnizel (02/03/2015) [-]
Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them, I bet he wanted the war to never be ogre.
User avatar #100483 to #100476 - thekame ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Name them and source them. Military campaign is a somewhat broad term when used to refer to historical events. You don't have to do all of them, I understand that, that would take more time than you are willing to spend on this, but just mention a few so that we can discuss case by case.
User avatar #100485 to #100483 - schnizel (02/03/2015) [-]
Google it, I'm tired, going to sleep, contact me in 18 hours if you want the links.
User avatar #100484 to #100483 - thekame ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
discuss them*
User avatar #100467 to #100466 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
perisa dindu nuffin
#100470 to #100467 - schnizel (02/03/2015) [-]
Just fuck off, you started the proxy war.
#100471 to #100470 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
dey dindu nuffin man

they be gud nation
User avatar #100465 to #100463 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
That makes sense. thanks man!
User avatar #100460 to #100452 - thekame ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Your first mistake was starting a discussion with schnitzel.
User avatar #100461 to #100460 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
well, if he takes one or two points from what i told him it was already worth. Some people take their time. Where would we be if nobody told us what's right and what's wrong?
#100459 to #100452 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
>shooting the ground
User avatar #100462 to #100459 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
?
User avatar #100468 to #100462 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
look at the executing gif again

dust storm

HAHAHAHAH

You need to login to view this link HERE IS THE VIDEO
User avatar #100475 to #100468 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
aaaaaaah i see

but mate, scaring people doesn't sell in the media. They clearly have been brutally killed.(/Sarcasm)

however, if those are really Assad's troops they (probably) deserved it. Except for those who were forced to fight and kill. But we dont know if there was a trial or something.
#100477 to #100475 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
the whole problem isnt bashar

neither the Free shit army

but the faggots who brought the war to us

i mean seriously for god sake. go send them to kill jews.
User avatar #100479 to #100477 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
well, do we at least agree that bashar is a dictator and doesn't deserve to be president?
#100481 to #100479 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
can we all agree to remove all those american Arabic monarchy oil merhcants instead???

i know we have a bad ass shit tier country. but if he is like that we would be all dead from long time.

It is WE who we make people look like dictators and not them.

pic syria without Free Shit Army and after it.
User avatar #100486 to #100481 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
I'm totally on our side with that. Other countries have even worse people in the governement.
If i were you i would just be careful about the Free army. There are people who seriously believe they are helping the country. And those don't deserve to be insulted. However, those who use this situation to make more chaos and kill innocents and destroy cities do. They are the real terrorists. is my statement ok?
User avatar #100490 to #100486 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
the sad part is only Few of those people who are fighting for the country are good.

like seriously in what Free shit they are fighting for?

and ironically that they are muslims. they are receiving help from israel.

the whole syrian problem is in these 3 thing:
To Break what is already broken.
To Shatter what is already Shattered.
To Destroy what is already destroyed.
User avatar #100493 to #100490 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
i see your point.
User avatar #100495 to #100493 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
we should just simply accept out gov and all these shit would not happen

but it appears we fooled ourselves and did let our greed and the joy of the life take us to our own doom.
User avatar #100496 to #100495 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
i dont know, accepting a government that terrorizes people that practice religion and sells land to the kikes?
#100497 to #100496 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
i think the kikes themselves fooled us to belive this.

i said before the FSA admitted it is supported by israel. and i dont think israel would like to destroy someone who sells lands for them. they are not fools
User avatar #100503 to #100497 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
well, good to know that.
With today's media you can never know what's true and what not. that's the problem.
User avatar #100504 to #100503 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
it is all easy to solve.

you know ISIS isnt a new thing in our history right??

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Campaignbox_Civil_Wars_of_the_Early_Caliphates
User avatar #100513 to #100504 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
that's right

and i DONT intend to justify any of ISIS' actions. however, there are still innocent people unknowingly fighting for them
User avatar #100453 to #100452 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Ay yo, Levvy 's here too!
User avatar #100458 to #100453 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
that shitzel

he is a normal strawmanning fag.

good heavens i pissed him off.
User avatar #100464 to #100458 - schnizel (02/03/2015) [-]
Suck my dick nigger
User avatar #100469 to #100464 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
but i dont suck dicks
User avatar #100415 - cleverguy (02/03/2015) [-]
define "natural"
#100449 to #100415 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
jews are greedy and lying assholes.


thats natural
#100455 to #100454 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
no for real they are
User avatar #100456 to #100455 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Can this be generalized?
#100457 to #100456 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
Jewish man LIES about the Holocaust and explains himself


i think it is already generalized
#100491 to #100457 - alfonshister ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
oh god the stereotypes
oh god the stereotypes
User avatar #100441 to #100415 - choobe (02/03/2015) [-]
It all depends on context, really. Since this is in the religion board I'll assume you mean "natural" as opposed to "supernatural", in than context anything natural is anything explainable by science doesn't break the laws of physics.

Had you asked on the New Age board we don't have one, but for this example... I would have said anything that doesn't have man made chemicals and stuff in it, and isn't machines.
User avatar #100417 to #100415 - ribocoon (02/03/2015) [-]
natural is a weird line to draw for me
nature is the world without man
but man is derived from nature
pls who cares cus appeal to nature fallacy
User avatar #100416 to #100415 - ecomp (02/03/2015) [-]
earthly or unredeemed human or physical nature as distinct from the spiritual or supernatural realm.
#100414 - Absolute Madman (02/03/2015) [-]
let's see how many of you faggots can watch this without making an ebin fedora meme :^)
let's see how many of you faggots can watch this without making an ebin fedora meme :^)
#100450 to #100414 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
"Hydrogen isn't like God therefore God doesn't exist"
#100451 to #100450 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
i know your feel man   
   
but these people are atheists. so watching all these false accuses and strawmanning and appealing to nature is way too natural activity of them.
i know your feel man

but these people are atheists. so watching all these false accuses and strawmanning and appealing to nature is way too natural activity of them.
#100443 to #100414 - syrianassassin (02/03/2015) [-]
this is soo EBIN : DDDDD
User avatar #100418 to #100414 - ribocoon (02/03/2015) [-]
Why does almost every atheist speak through their fucking nose?
inb4 jew jowk
User avatar #100395 - ribocoon (02/02/2015) [-]
ITT you offer reasons for worshiping God
But there's a catch
You can't use threats or coercion
#100420 to #100395 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
becasue its the right thing to do :^)
User avatar #100442 to #100420 - choobe (02/03/2015) [-]
But "the right thing to do" is very vague. Why is it the right thing to do?

If you offer a seat to an elderly on the bus because it's the right thing to do, you're REALLY doing it because social norms, and because you have empathy and you know they generally get tired more easily.
#100444 to #100442 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
Because the creator of the universe ought to know whats best for us.

nice fallacy, hurr dudrr u r bad cz u only du guud cuz gud told u so : ^ )
#100669 to #100444 - gud (02/12/2015) [-]
I don't remember saying that
User avatar #100445 to #100444 - choobe (02/03/2015) [-]
The government ought to know that to, and doing it's best to get us there it doesn't always work, but in principle it should. , we don't worship it, at best we trust it. Why does he want our worship anyway? If I found out ants worshiped me I would think "oh, cool", but I wouldn't be angry at the ants that didn't worship me.

You're one of those guys who post "look at all that fedora" on any post that even hints at
being skeptic to religion aren't you? I wasn't hostile, I just asked. The example was to show what I meant, that there's always reasons behind "the right thing to do". Also; I don't think any atheist ever used the kind of reasoning that's in the comic.
#100446 to #100445 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
The government ought to know that to, and doing it's best to get us there it doesn't always work, but in principle it should. , we don't worship it, at best we trust it.

Yeah man, we should totaly trust these guys pic releted, hehe good goyim the guvament will do u no harm ;)

To worship is to love, God loves you and wants you to love him to.

>Also; I don't think any atheist ever used the kind of reasoning that's in the comic.

top kek you havent been looking enough
#100448 to #100446 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
You really cant compare God to the goverment.

Do you deserve to be loved?
User avatar #100447 to #100446 - choobe (02/03/2015) [-]
Completely missing the point, but okay.

Does God worship me? Can I set rules and conditions for him? Anyway; should I love him just because he loves me? I never met him or talked to him and he hasn't talked to me either. If you tell me a friend of you loves me there's no automatic reciprocation.

Well, that kind of atheist is looked down on.
User avatar #100422 to #100420 - ribocoon (02/03/2015) [-]
Know what the smartest animal is?
Humans
Know who says so?
Human brain
#100423 to #100422 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
Who else do you propose? Dolphins? They cant keep themselves away from firshermen's nets or from choaking on plastic bags/bottles. Elephants? Can they outsmart Mbeke's AK 47? I dont think so.
User avatar #100424 to #100423 - ribocoon (02/03/2015) [-]
How about mice?
User avatar #100428 to #100427 - ribocoon (02/03/2015) [-]
Although dolphins to swim a close second
#100356 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
God is what we made up because we couldn't handle the fact that there are things we'll never know.
#100421 to #100356 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
But thats not true.
#100430 to #100421 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Then what is true?
#100432 to #100431 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
You've convinced me. My soul is saved.
#100434 to #100433 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Not gonna lie though, I love the shit out of that video.
#100435 to #100434 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
Jesus loves you too.
#100436 to #100435 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Das gay
#100437 to #100436 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
the bible says "no homo"
#100438 to #100437 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Jesus is in the closet.
#100439 to #100438 - dehumanizer (02/03/2015) [-]
enough of your faggotry
#100440 to #100439 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Nah
User avatar #100396 to #100356 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
Projection theory is what we made up because we couldn't handle the fact that there are things we'll never know.
#100399 to #100396 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Funny how the only reference to projection theory I could find came up on conservapedia, isn't it?
User avatar #100403 to #100399 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
That's also because it's more common in the German area.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projektionstheorie
User avatar #100402 to #100399 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
Nope, "projection theory", what you're describing, comes from Marx and Feuerbach.
Read about it in a work by a well renowned theologian.
#100405 to #100402 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Projection as a concept relates to imposing your values onto other things or people or perceiving others as holding your own values. For example, assuming atheists actually believe in god but refuse to accept it would be projection. When you google 'projection theory' the first result that comes up with respect to religion is from conservapedia, this isn't a coincidence.
User avatar #100406 to #100405 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
As I said I'm german and so I use german terms mostly.
But what you're doing is a baseless assumption, it's not justifed.
#100409 to #100406 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Like, pointing out projection theory is a pointless concept. Yes, I don't believe god exists, so absent the assumption that 'god is real and the ancients knew that' there has to be a reason religion exists.
#100408 to #100406 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Yes projection is a valid concept, however, who's to say your accusation that I'm projecting isn't itself, projection?
User avatar #100410 to #100408 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
Feuerbach's projection theory is still baseless and I never claimed you projected, that's not what the PT is.
The PT in both ways (atheism and religion) holds no inherent truth, making you're argumentation missing the point.
#100413 to #100410 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
You and I are coming from two completely different place on this issue. You assume god exists and that colors your entire argument. I do not assume the same thing and that colors my entire argument.
#100521 to #100413 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Like what I'm saying isn't meant to disprove the existence of god. Starting with the assumption that god doesn't exist, this is supposed to explain why people choose to believe in him. Obviously there are myriad other factors, but at it's core I think belief in god comes from a desire to be reassured that you know what's happening in the world.
User avatar #100487 to #100413 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Nope, what I'm saying is that PT is not a good argument unless you can justify it.
#100506 to #100487 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
I'm not arguing anything. That's just my opinion on why some people need god.
User avatar #100365 to #100356 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
so we will never know if there is god or not. then we deny god or accept god.

No Exception
#100366 to #100365 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
There's nothing to deny or accept. Religion exists to answer questions that don't need to be answered.
#100367 to #100366 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
Irony

dont you want to know what will happen when you die?
dont you want to know your own purpose on life?

oh wait i forgot. atheists only exist for denial. wasting life for De-Baits so when the day of their own death come they will be wasting life for nothingness.
#100368 to #100367 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
When I die I die. My purpose in life is to live. I don't need the reassurance that religion brings in my life because I'm content. Obviously you're not.
#100369 to #100368 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
then leave the fucking internet and have a fucking life
#100370 to #100369 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
I do have a life. I'm at university studying computer engineering. I have a job lined up for the summer that I'm actually looking forward to. I have friends and interests. I just feel like taking a tiny fraction of my day to post on a forum. Why does that bother you?
#100371 to #100370 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
OH OH OH OH OH

i also have a life and a afterlife.

i work hard in this life and i will also have another life without working hard.

but the atheist hypocrisy:
Religion teaches people how to live life. we will teach people to live life without religion.

pffft

#100372 to #100371 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Does that make you happy? Would you be happy with the life you're living if you didn't believe you had an afterlife waiting?
User avatar #100373 to #100372 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
yup

amazing how god gave me a beautiful answer for your own bullshit of assumption.

And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.
Surat Al-Jāthiyah (The Crouching) 24
#100374 to #100373 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
That's great. Are you ok with the fact I don't believe in your afterlife?
User avatar #100375 to #100374 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
are you sure there is no afterlife???
#100377 to #100375 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Does that bother you?
User avatar #100379 to #100377 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
bothers me?

ah nah i will laughing..
#100381 to #100379 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Why is it funny to you?
#100384 to #100381 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
because you are working for free
#100386 to #100384 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
The only person I live for is myself and I'm happy with that. Why is that funny?
User avatar #100390 to #100386 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
so yeah the quran justified itself.

you are just assuming without knowledge.

your fooling tricks wont work with us haha
#100391 to #100390 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Why do you think I'm trying to trick you?
User avatar #100392 to #100391 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
you have no knowledge of your own shit.
#100394 to #100392 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
How do you know you're the one who doesn't know shit?
#100393 to #100392 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
How come?
#100376 to #100375 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Pretty sure.
#100378 to #100376 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
thats assumption..

since you never died. so you dont have any knowledge about it.

HUR DUR GUYS!

follow my own atheist bullshit. i never died and i am sure there is nothing after death because in fact i still dont know nothing what is happening after death
#100380 to #100378 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Why should I believe there's an afterlife? What value would believing in it bring to me?
User avatar #100382 to #100380 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
getting paid for the work of your life

living without believing in the afterlife is like working without being paid.
#100383 to #100382 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
But why is life work? Why can't I just live because I want to?
User avatar #100385 to #100383 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
i made it clear.

you are working without getting paid
#100387 to #100385 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Who am I working for?
User avatar #100388 to #100387 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
for this life
#100389 to #100388 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
And? Why do I care? I like life.
User avatar #100361 to #100356 - choobe (02/02/2015) [-]
Or... or it was the most logical explanation when all we knew was "lightning and thunder sure is violent".
#100362 to #100361 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
But we only came up with that answer because we couldn't accept that we didn't have one. There's shit that we don't know, we'll never know and we just have to accept that.
User avatar #100363 to #100362 - choobe (02/02/2015) [-]
Well, one guy accepted that, the rest were trolled.

Of course it's different in our modern day.-
#100355 - Absolute Madman (02/01/2015) [-]
User avatar #100353 - ribocoon (02/01/2015) [-]
10 commandments: almost half of them are reiterating that God is the one the God and you'll get your ass burnt if you don't believe that shit
Murder, stealing, and lying are covered
Adultery, envy, and honoring elders are sort of important things
But rape just didn't make the cut
User avatar #100354 to #100353 - ribocoon (02/01/2015) [-]
Get it?
CUT?
AHAHAHAH
#100349 - Absolute Madman (02/01/2015) [-]
Gimme any good, irrefutable argument of God.
If not irrefutable, at least good
#100352 to #100349 - ragnarfag (02/01/2015) [-]
St. Aquinas's quinque viae are irrefutable (well in unfalsifiable way), which one of them is "good" is up to you to decide.
#100358 to #100352 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Essentially he lumped a large number of qualities, first, best, most necessary, assumed they were all the same thing and called it god.
#100398 to #100397 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Then his argument doesn't prove god.
User avatar #100400 to #100398 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
But he justified giving these qualities to God through scripture, he showed with his arguments that these qualities are necessary and therefore God is necessary.
Even if he did justify a belief in the supranatural, if you call it Allah, Elohim, Nirvana, Brahma or "god" is insignificant.
#100401 to #100400 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
I see no justification for the supernatural in his arguments. I see no reason to believe scripture is in anyway valid.
User avatar #100404 to #100401 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
Then you failed to argue.
The scripture only justify the usage of these qualities, if they are correct plays only a little role in this.
#100407 to #100404 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Scripture justifies applying those qualities to god, but if the scripture isn't valid then you have no justification. It matters that scripture is valid because otherwise there is no basis for your argument. There is no argument for god that doesn't presuppose that scripture is valid.
User avatar #100411 to #100407 - ragnarfag (02/02/2015) [-]
If the belief of an epistemic justification is true or false is besides the point.
Valid or not, Thomas Aquinas justifies the quinque viae through scripture.
#100412 to #100411 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
So scripture is his justification for his belief in god?
User avatar #100488 to #100412 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Scripture is the epistemic justification for giving God those qualities.
#100507 to #100488 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Then does he justify it outside the context of Scripture?
User avatar #100515 to #100507 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
I think you don't understand what I mean with "justification", if St. TA simply claimed without any scripture that God was omnipresent then this claim would lack any foundation and the belief/argument would then be unjustified.
But if he refers to scripture which claims God's omnipresent then his claim/argument is justified, so he "assumed they were all the same thing and called it god" because scripture says so, he didnot made this up.
This is not validation, this is justification.
#100518 to #100515 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
Yes however this justification means nothing unless you already accept scripture as valid. It's a self supporting argument but it would do nothing to convince someone who didn't already accept scripture.
User avatar #100523 to #100518 - ragnarfag (02/03/2015) [-]
Quinea viae are not a self supporting argument, what is justfied through scripture is that these necessary qualities are God, that these qualities are necessary ia not.
Again: This has nothing to do with validation.
#100524 to #100523 - theism ONLINE (02/03/2015) [-]
So basically it's not a valid argument for god.
#100357 to #100352 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
What Aquinas called god could easily be anything else.
User avatar #100342 - reginleif ONLINE (02/01/2015) [-]
>I was born and raised a Catholic. I married a non-Catholic, in the church, had two children, divorced, refused to get an annulment to invalidate my marriage, and remarried.

>A murderer can go to confession, say he is sorry, do penance and then be welcomed back to the church, able to receive communion. What is wrong with this picture?

Some people really need to go back to Catechism. The reason the murderer is welcomed is because he repented! Sinners who repent are granted forgivness in the Catholic religion.

This woman in the other hand is still sinning, and refuses to ask for forgiveness. But the media tries to spin this into thinking we think murder is swell. :/
User avatar #100348 to #100342 - syrianassassin (02/01/2015) [-]
repent is from god.

he decides whose sin is removed and whose sin is not removed.
#100346 to #100342 - dehumanizer (02/01/2015) [-]
its litteraly the jews
User avatar #100343 to #100342 - ragnarfag (02/01/2015) [-]
What woman?
#100345 to #100343 - reginleif ONLINE (02/01/2015) [-]
**reginleif used "*roll picture*"**
**reginleif rolled image** One of the commenters for the NYT

www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/opinion/sunday/questions-in-the-church.html?_r=0

They usually grab a couple comments to make it look like there's a crisis in the church.
#100347 to #100341 - syrianassassin (02/01/2015) [-]
people with one inch cock
User avatar #100334 - Nazistick ONLINE (02/01/2015) [-]
Just watched the Prince of Egypt after a Loooong time. I still love the movie. Anyone else watched movies like that as a kid?
User avatar #100340 to #100334 - syrianassassin (02/01/2015) [-]
that movie never get boring.

always amazing and inspiring.
User avatar #100344 to #100340 - Nazistick ONLINE (02/01/2015) [-]
Indeed. My two favorite songs are "Through Heavens Eyes." and my most favorite is of course "Let my people go."
#100324 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
I miss gayobliteratorhere
User avatar #100332 to #100324 - alekksandar (01/31/2015) [-]
He is missed by me

as in, I am in the process of missing him
User avatar #100326 to #100324 - ragnarfag (01/31/2015) [-]
I forgot, who was that?
User avatar #100327 to #100326 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
he is Gay Obliterator
User avatar #100328 to #100327 - ragnarfag (01/31/2015) [-]
What did he do around here?
User avatar #100329 to #100328 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
Obliterating Gays
#100336 to #100322 - dehumanizer (02/01/2015) [-]
i already did in the comments
i already did in the comments
User avatar #100325 to #100322 - ragnarfag (01/31/2015) [-]
It's like one big gross oversimplifying strawman.
#100359 to #100325 - theism ONLINE (02/02/2015) [-]
Except it's not a strawman. The fundamental premise of Christianity is that god is good and all good flows from god. According to christianity, god, while being good, created AIDS, Leukemia, genocide, famine and anything else wrong with the world. And even if he didn't create it directly he allowed it to come into existence when he could have stopped it. The premise of Fry's argument is, if this is the god you worship, if this is your idea of ultimate good, then what you view as good is fundamentally fucked.
User avatar #100350 to #100325 - teoberry (02/01/2015) [-]
id hate to strawman his strawman but it's appropriate

"god doesn't exist because bad things happen" - steve fry
#100351 to #100350 - ragnarfag (02/01/2015) [-]
Well, it's true.
#100323 to #100322 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
OH MY GOD   
   
SOMEONE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION THAN US!   
   
WE MUST ALL BELIEVE!
OH MY GOD

SOMEONE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION THAN US!

WE MUST ALL BELIEVE!
User avatar #100313 - quadroller (01/31/2015) [-]
Ok, just by curiosity I got into this thread. You guys are taking things too far. Does anyone agree with me that we're just thoughts and there is no reality or matter?
#100315 to #100313 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
imagine how the world would be if this is true.
imagine how the world would be if this is true.
User avatar #100338 to #100315 - quadroller (02/01/2015) [-]
We're all aware that we must survive and go to work... World is getting boring because we are too. Each one of us is a transparent foil, if you add up a bunch of them, it becomes opaque. So the reality is the general idea of what's happening in each one of our minds. Then the dreams are our own reality. The expression of all of our mind.
User avatar #100339 to #100338 - syrianassassin (02/01/2015) [-]
which means a total chaos
User avatar #100360 to #100339 - quadroller (02/02/2015) [-]
Are you saying that reality is in a perfect order?
User avatar #100364 to #100360 - syrianassassin (02/02/2015) [-]
more better since we will be responsible for our own action
#100333 to #100315 - minibeep (02/01/2015) [-]
it would be a jewish world
User avatar #100337 to #100333 - quadroller (02/01/2015) [-]
Isn't it already?
#100306 - syrianassassin (01/31/2015) [-]
I finally created my own kingdom.

Looks like everything is going fine.

-rubs hand-
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