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User avatar #20354 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
How do you know what was written down in the Bible is true?
User avatar #20393 to #20354 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
because the Bible is historicall verifiable
User avatar #20986 to #20393 - reretzu (04/02/2013) [-]
Doctor Who is just as historically verifiable as the bible.
#20416 to #20393 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Just because the history of it matches up does not mean everything else does too.

Just because they get things right in a Historic Fiction novel does not mean that the book is nonfiction.
User avatar #20394 to #20393 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
historically
#20366 to #20354 - thezillis (04/01/2013) [-]
Is this guy gonna be an atheist zlamous?
User avatar #20368 to #20366 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
his old account was captaincupcakez
User avatar #20410 to #20368 - captaincupcakez ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
that is completely irrelevant
User avatar #20411 to #20410 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
why did u make an alternate account?
User avatar #20412 to #20411 - captaincupcakez ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
This is my FJ account. I've pretty much quit FJ, I'm mostly on reddit now.

I made the "religionisweird" account to debate about religion, seeing as reddit is 90% atheist biased, and there is no real debate going on.
User avatar #20413 to #20412 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
go to r/debateachristian
User avatar #20367 to #20366 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
nope

my beliefs don't attempt to restrict others freedoms.
User avatar #20369 to #20367 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
but you have no problem with imposing your immorality on others
User avatar #20371 to #20369 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm not imposing anything on anyone.

I know you will never be an atheist, I just want to debate
User avatar #20374 to #20371 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i mean you want to force people to accept fag marriage
#20378 to #20374 - thezillis (04/01/2013) [-]
You want to force people not to get married.
He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.
User avatar #20396 to #20378 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
we should do everything possible to discourage sin
User avatar #20446 to #20396 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
think from an unbiased perspective for once (even though it isn't possible for humans) and see how different religions have different moral codes and different laws. Not everyone believes in your religion, little people want to follow your laws.

"According to you and your book, one that is not universally accepted or even universally respected. You're applying your own religion and code to everyone else."
User avatar #20585 to #20446 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
what you fail to realize is that all of our innate morality is from God. moral laws are absolute and unchangeable
User avatar #20589 to #20585 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
WHAT YOU fail to realize is that not everybody believes in what you believe so laws shouldn't be based on 1 religion.
User avatar #20593 to #20589 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
we can't let people steal stuff just because they don't acknowledge that stealing is wrong. moral laws apply to everyone equally
User avatar #20595 to #20593 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
you have different moral laws then others. Of course there are things we can all agree on such as stealing is wrong but you (and ur religion too) are a homophobic and not allot of people agree with that. Theirs a line to draw.
Anyone can do what they want aslong as it doesn't endanger or decrease the rights of others.
User avatar #20597 to #20595 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
We all acknowledge that stealing is wrong because of our innate morality. our innate morality also tells us that homosexuality is wrong, so why should we try to make it socially acceptable?
User avatar #20599 to #20597 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Because a majority of people want to accept it. If a majority of people excepted bestiality, i bet we would have it legal.
User avatar #20600 to #20599 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
"If a majority of people excepted bestiality, i bet we would have it legal. "

no because it goes against God's will
User avatar #20601 to #20600 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Aaaa dumbass, its called voting and appeal to political figures of power.
User avatar #20603 to #20601 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
the majority of people will never accept bestiality because it's contrary to God's will
User avatar #20604 to #20603 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm giving you a theoretical example. Homosexuality wasn't excepted by many people along time ago and it was against god's will apparently too, but look at now.
User avatar #20613 to #20604 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i'm explaining why it should be illegal
User avatar #20607 to #20604 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
popular opinion cannot change absolute moral truths. homosexuality will always be against God's will. it will always be wrong no matter how many people think its right
User avatar #20609 to #20607 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
but its legal.

""If a majority of people excepted bestiality, i bet we would have it legal. "

no because it goes against God's will""

You said because its against gods will it wont be legal but homosexuality is so wtf are you rambling about?
#20417 to #20396 - thezillis (04/01/2013) [-]
According to you and your book, one that is not universally accepted or even universally respected. You're applying your own religion and code to everyone else.
User avatar #20375 to #20374 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I want gays to have freedom to love who they want.

The only reason I think gay marriage should be allowed is because it gives benefits in society. If it was purely religious, then sure, gays can't marry.
User avatar #20352 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Strongly religious people: Wants everyone to think what they think, wants the whole world to apply to their beliefs

Strongly non-religious people: Don't mind if people practice their religion, just don't want it to affect science, political decisions, or their life.
User avatar #20469 to #20352 - jokeface ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Non-religious people believe that Earth is the past place humans will reside, and so they try to idealize it and make it as liberated and free-spirited as possible. Religious people believe in an afterlife which is a bigger deal than this life because it's eternal. Therefore we don't care about making everybody happy so much as we try to give them a better afterlife, since the afterlife is more crucial.
User avatar #20470 to #20469 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
That's the equivalent of me telling you "I'm going to force you to do what I say, and then santa will bring you presents"

it means nothing if you don't believe in it
User avatar #20471 to #20470 - jokeface ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Well we're not forcing you to do what we say. We're giving you a choice.
User avatar #20336 - reretzu (04/01/2013) [-]
Just curious, many Christians here believe that god is immaterial, then how did he create humanity in his image?
User avatar #20409 to #20336 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
He didn't create us in His physical image
User avatar #20414 to #20409 - reretzu (04/01/2013) [-]
Then what image?
User avatar #20466 to #20414 - jokeface ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Spiritual and logical image. The ability to think and love and make choices. Of course we're a heavily limited version of this compared to Him. But we're closer to Him than animals because animals pretty much just act on instinct and don't share the same kind of intelligence with us (unless you count apes and dolphins, but they still don't apply their intelligence in a way that significantly separates them from normal animals).
User avatar #20338 to #20336 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Any thought provoking question like this is answered with some variant of "God works in mysterious ways" or "you can't question the works of God"
User avatar #20248 - djequalizee ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Ju..Ju...Je..Jes... Jeusus
User avatar #20304 to #20248 - mayormilkman (04/01/2013) [-]
Hmm, what?
User avatar #20291 to #20248 - dumerveil (04/01/2013) [-]
If you say Jesus backwards it sounds like sausage.
User avatar #20311 to #20291 - jokeface ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Which is funny because He told the Disciples to take His body and eat it, and they were Jews.
User avatar #20226 - jokeface ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Guys I just wanna say, today appears to be one great day for debates. I mean holy cow, everyone's on here, hardly any spam, and almost every post has long, intense discussions. Well done. I'm proud of us.
User avatar #20267 to #20226 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
thanks?
#20240 to #20226 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
It was a very good day. And #19933 was glorious.
It was a very good day. And #19933 was glorious.
User avatar #20236 to #20226 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
But since it's 4am here, I better go to sleep, goodnight board!
User avatar #20243 to #20236 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Night, i love you.
User avatar #20239 to #20236 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Night bud.
#20235 to #20226 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Today was a good day, wasn't it. :)
Today was a good day, wasn't it. :)
User avatar #20234 to #20226 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
#19933 became a little bit of a shitstorm, but yes today was a interesting day.
User avatar #20286 to #20234 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm so famous
User avatar #20180 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Our Pasta, who "Arghh" in the colander, Swallowed be thy sauce. Thy serving come, Thy food be yum, On forks as they are on spoons. Give us our daily sauce, And forgive our mess, As we forgive those who mess against us. And lead us not into hell, But deliver us some pizza, For thine is the noodles, the sauce and the meatballs. R'Amen
User avatar #20072 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
so why should gay marriage be illegal when adultery isn't?
User avatar #20145 to #20072 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
they should both be illegal. end of discussion
User avatar #20280 to #20145 - Ruspanic (04/01/2013) [-]
The government should not be concerned with morality or religion. Enforcing either is not a legitimate or justified function of government.
User avatar #20284 to #20283 - Ruspanic (04/01/2013) [-]
There are many different philosophies of law.
User avatar #20287 to #20284 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
all laws are based on moral systems
User avatar #20288 to #20287 - Ruspanic (04/01/2013) [-]
I disagree. The fundamental purpose of government is to protect the people and their rights, by means of law enforcement, national defense and the justice system. There may be other, secondary purposes as well, such as promoting the general welfare. But the government is NOT a parent or a pastor whose job it is to teach us to behave properly and push one moral code or another.
User avatar #20175 to #20145 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
That is disgusting of you to say so. Have your religion, sure, but keep it in your home. Religious beliefs shouldn't change the laws of a country.
Religion not equal to state.
User avatar #20223 to #20175 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Quick question, do you think the government should regulate some of what religious people do? (ex. make them not be able to rally against gays, make the church pay taxes, etc, regulate how much money a church can get)
User avatar #20282 to #20223 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Church pay taxes, that sounds about right. Other then that no, I just don't think their should even be votes based on human rights laws like gay marriage. It should be universally allowed and excepted.
User avatar #20293 to #20282 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
So should the government get involved in church business or no?
User avatar #20296 to #20293 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Why you ask anyways
User avatar #20298 to #20296 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Just wondering. If you come up with an answer let me know.
User avatar #20299 to #20298 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Let me guess, your just waiting me to say yes so you can throw something at me.
Curious, what genre of music do you like?
User avatar #20302 to #20299 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Rap and country.
User avatar #20306 to #20302 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Two very opposite genres that hardly relate to each other but okay.
Don't like rock or metal?
this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKYk0XlFK4
User avatar #20308 to #20306 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Not metal. Only rock I'll listen to is stuff like the tragically hip and U2.
User avatar #20321 to #20309 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i don't like the vocals or the cheesy keyboard shit
User avatar #20310 to #20309 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
they're talented (only listened to the first bit), but metal isn't my genre.
User avatar #20303 to #20302 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Just for reference, churches aren't forced to marry anyone, they can turn away any couple they wish without hesitation. So it would be the same with gay couples.

Just in care that's what you were getting at, otherwise don't mind me.
User avatar #20305 to #20303 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
That was not what I was getting at, but nice try
User avatar #20295 to #20293 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Thats a very broad question. I cant answer that with my knowledge and not seem ignorant.
User avatar #20188 to #20175 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
all of our laws should be based on the moral absolutes that God has created. we can't create new moral laws, moral laws already exist and they're unchangeable
#20151 to #20145 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
as long as congressmen have affairs adultury will not be illegal
User avatar #20149 to #20145 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why?
User avatar #20154 to #20149 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
because they both violate the moral laws of the Bible
User avatar #20255 to #20154 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
US is not a theocracy, retard.
User avatar #20159 to #20154 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why is that grounds for making it illegal?
User avatar #20168 to #20159 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
because God is the basis of morality.
User avatar #20260 to #20168 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
laws aren't based on morality
User avatar #20269 to #20260 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
yes they are
User avatar #20273 to #20269 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
law is not based on morality, morality and law are both based on rational self-interest.
User avatar #20276 to #20273 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
rational egoism is a form of ethics(morality)
User avatar #20279 to #20276 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
ethical egoism is related to morality, rational egoism is not
User avatar #20281 to #20279 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
our laws more closely resemble ethical egoism than rational egoism
User avatar #20294 to #20281 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
but neither is based on the bible
User avatar #20300 to #20294 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
all morality is from God though
User avatar #20301 to #20300 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
according to your belief system, but we are not a theocracy
User avatar #20254 to #20168 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
Dumbass.
User avatar #20124 to #20072 - dumerveil (04/01/2013) [-]
It shouldn't, and this shouldn't even be a question. Regardless of what you believe in, religious doctrine should not be taken into account when making laws that govern all citizens.
User avatar #20131 to #20124 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
i agree with you, im just trying to make a point that most of the arguments against gay marriage dont even line up with religious doctrine
#20095 to #20072 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
why should prostitution be illegal when adultury isn't?
User avatar #20099 to #20095 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
its not in many states
#20105 to #20099 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
as long as those mudblood gays are still illegal im happy
User avatar #20110 to #20105 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why?
#20118 to #20110 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
because gay people cant eat dairy
User avatar #20127 to #20118 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
the fuck?
User avatar #20122 to #20118 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why are you dodging the question?
#20132 to #20122 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
ive become good at dodging trying to avoid the rape attempts from gays on my tight butthole
User avatar #20140 to #20132 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
ok, i can tell you're not looking for serious discussion
#20147 to #20140 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
im really not at this moment

i am a lot of times but at this particular moment no i am not
User avatar #20158 to #20147 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Keep talking about your tight butthole, no homo btw of course because that would be gay.
#20166 to #20158 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
i know its tight because when i tried to stick a pencil in earlier i needed a lot of lube. So therefore i can't be gay because its tight
User avatar #20176 to #20166 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Interesting, I'm sort of uncertain about me not being able to eat a whole dairy, am I gay?
#20178 to #20176 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
yeah. Fagtose intolerant
#20186 to #20178 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Oh no!
Oh no!
#20189 to #20186 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
i forget the song that gif plays to
User avatar #20220 to #20189 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
4am soon here, should I go to bed?
User avatar #20085 to #20072 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Modern secular laws, some people say "but we want this!" to something that was illegal before, so the state allows it.
User avatar #20092 to #20085 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
so you think adultery should be illegal and punishable by law?
User avatar #20100 to #20092 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Adultery was illegal and punished, I'm just stating a fact.
User avatar #20104 to #20100 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
i know, but its not anymore. do you think it should be?
User avatar #20112 to #20104 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
In germany it's still a breaking of the law but not punished anymore.
But in my eyes it's a intentionally violating of marriage, which is bad.
User avatar #20120 to #20112 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why are you dodging the question?
User avatar #20125 to #20120 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Dis you meant by "do you think it should be?" if it should be punished?
I'm sorry if misinterpreted this.
User avatar #20133 to #20125 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
do you think adultery should be illegal?
User avatar #20137 to #20133 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Yes, and it should be punished because it's a breaking of trust.
User avatar #20143 to #20137 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
so people should go to jail for cheating on their spouses?
User avatar #20152 to #20143 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Yes, is your question answered?
User avatar #20157 to #20152 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
yes but it leads me to other questions.

wouldn't that infringe on freedom?
User avatar #20171 to #20157 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Breaking trust is a bad thing, you know. Also do you see going whoring as a freedom when you have a partner?
User avatar #20266 to #20171 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
im not saying adultery is good, but you shouldn't be able to regulate what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes
User avatar #20461 to #20266 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
A secular marriage under the goverment has to obey the rules of this goverment.
Also adultery involves at least 3 people.
User avatar #20571 to #20461 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
the rules of government dont dictate who you sleep with
User avatar #20572 to #20571 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm not talking about the state, I'm talking about marriage and marriage will always "dictate" who you sleep with because you accepted with marriage this infringe of your freedom.
User avatar #20573 to #20572 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
thats why adultery is grounds to end a marriage, but the act itself is not illegal
User avatar #20575 to #20573 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Depends, as I said adultery is still a violating of the law in germany, but no punishment.
User avatar #20782 to #20575 - cleverguy (04/02/2013) [-]
to be honest, im mostly talking about america since california's prop 8 is in the supreme court right now so it is a relevant issue
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User avatar #20091 to #20077 - dumerveil (04/01/2013) [-]
Natural law, as in god's law?
It was my understanding the bible condemned lying with another man. It did not state that gay marriage was an abomination, yes?
User avatar #20090 to #20077 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
its one of the ten commandments
#20113 to #20090 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
And just like that he deletes his comment because he can't let people see that he's wrong.
User avatar #20116 to #20113 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
it would seem so
User avatar #20142 to #20116 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
or maybe its my way of acknowledging that i made a mistake
#20155 to #20142 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Then how about replying saying you were wrong, that way you acknowledge your mistake and the fact that you won't make it again. Then people can also see the mistake you made and avoid making it too. Oh that's right, because you want to sweep it under the rug and hope no one sees it.
#20163 to #20155 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
you can see it on my profile. i'm not hiding anything
#20172 to #20163 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Then there's no reason to delete it. You're just making it harder for people to see what you said. Stop trying to backtrack just because you got called out.
User avatar #20174 to #20172 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
why don't you log in, multimedia?
User avatar #20251 to #20174 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
I love how you pathetic fuckheads think it was me. No, I was actually out while this argument was being posted.
#20187 to #20174 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Why don't you post all your personal details online? Then you won't be anonymous like you apparently have a problem with.
User avatar #20231 to #20187 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Do you know what common sense is multimedia? There's protecting your security online, then there's being a bitch who can't take red thumbs (I'm sure there are other things you take tho)
User avatar #20252 to #20231 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
Again, look up at your buttbuddy zlamous's post, wasn't me.

I've never been too much of a coward to say what I wish to say, you dumb sack of crap.
User avatar #20265 to #20252 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
Brave.
#20256 to #20252 - afucknigga (04/01/2013) [-]
Whoa, chill out buddy. The anon types exactly like you, has the same attitude as you, and yet you claim it's not you. Also, only bitches block. SMH man.
User avatar #20259 to #20256 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
I block because I don't want people seeing my profile and thumbing down everything I post, which has happened before. If you disagree with my opinions, fine, thumb that post down, but don't be the fuckhead who thumbs down 100 unrelated posts about Pokemon and crap that has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

As I said above, I was out.

Why would I post as anon for the whole argument only to come out later? If my goal was to avoid red thumbs, I wouldn't have posted as me at all.
#20261 to #20259 - afucknigga (04/01/2013) [-]
If you say so. And trust me, I'm not the type to do that. People have tried it on me, it's annoying as hell.
User avatar #20263 to #20261 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
I wasn't implying you were. Zlamous, on the other hand, I wouldn't put above doing so.
#20264 to #20263 - afucknigga (04/01/2013) [-]
Then why'd you block me? Also, the same thing has happened to him, a furry guy, he had 'nine' in his name, was doing that and was inviting others to do so. So no, I doubt he would.
User avatar #20268 to #20264 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
Is this a second account for you, because "afucknigga" is not blocked on my account. In fact, my settings are to allow anybody to see my profile...
User avatar #20277 to #20268 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
reply limit, no offense taken, the feeling is mutual.
User avatar #20278 to #20277 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
Good to know.

Have a nice night/day/whateverthefucktimeitisinyourtimezone
#20270 to #20268 - afucknigga (04/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, it's teoberry, I was banned for most of the morning so I used this to post.
User avatar #20274 to #20270 - multimedia (04/01/2013) [-]
Ah. Well, I blocked you as well because I very much so do not wish to communicate with you on a frequent basis, no offense.

Also because of the thumb thing. I was covering my bases, really. But frankly, you do seem to be an up-front person, and while I disagree with what you believe and all, you don't present yourself in the self-righteous and absolute way zlamous does.
#20250 to #20231 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
"then there's being a bitch who can't take red thumbs"
The only thing that can make me laugh out loud on this site are the people who take virtual thumbs seriously. I mean, seriously, who says shit like this with a straight face? Holy shit, thanks for a good laugh though. Sorry I couldn't relate to that last joke though, I stopped being a kid a long time ago.
User avatar #20257 to #20250 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
It's not a problem anon. You come off as a bit sarcastic, but whatever, that shit gets muddled on the internet anyways. Have a nice night.
User avatar #20192 to #20187 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i have problem with people who are too cowardly to even use their accounts
#20198 to #20192 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Because accounts mean something right? Because collecting meaningless thumbs is important right? That's the only difference between me and you. And if that's what you're worried about then that's honestly sad. Even using the word "cowardly" in that context was hilariously pathetic.
User avatar #20201 to #20198 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
if the thumbs aren't important to you then why are you logged out? prove that they're unimportant and log in
#20249 to #20201 - N. Korean citizen (04/01/2013) [-]
Wow, still worried about all those virtual thumbs huh? I don't have an account. I deleted two since I've been here and can't be bothered making another one since thumbs don't mean shit to me.
User avatar #20272 to #20249 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i'm not worried about them, thats why i log in when i post
#20258 to #20249 - afucknigga (04/01/2013) [-]
What were your old accounts names? Or will you conveniently forget?
User avatar #20146 to #20142 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
you're not acknowledging it, you're hiding it
User avatar #20148 to #20146 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i cant hide the fact that i deleted it
User avatar #20153 to #20148 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
you can hide what you said
User avatar #20156 to #20153 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
you can still see the comment on my profile
User avatar #20165 to #20156 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
only because you can't delete that. you would if you could
User avatar #20170 to #20165 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
then why did i post a screencap of it ? #20163
User avatar #20262 to #20170 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
to make it look like you weren't trying to hide anything, but then why did you delete it in the first place?
User avatar #20271 to #20262 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
because it was a mistake. i didnt want to leave it up and have people think thats its my actual opinion
User avatar #20275 to #20271 - cleverguy (04/01/2013) [-]
ok, thats all you have to say.
#20035 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
which fork do you think god would be? the salad fork? the big fork? one of the other 6?
User avatar #20222 to #20035 - miskwaamiikana (04/01/2013) [-]
Is there an asshole fork?
He'd be that fork.
#20229 to #20222 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
you made me google dildo fork for this.
User avatar #20075 to #20035 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
The infinite fork of forgiveness? I know shit about forks.
User avatar #20057 to #20035 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Shit there's different types of forks? I just use big ones for everything
#20069 to #20057 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
more than one when you high class like me
more than one when you high class like me
#19933 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
Want to start thread to exchange images relating to how the idea of a religious god or Christianity is wrong.

<-- 1 example

Will post more if others do.
#20043 to #19933 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
fuck off now please
#20052 to #20045 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
kill yourself noob
User avatar #20053 to #20052 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
no thanks, rather enjoy life for the time i have
#20055 to #20053 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
i wish your life ended the way it started. with a bang
User avatar #20060 to #20055 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Nice grade 4 joke. I think that's pretty evil of you to say, why do you want me to die?
#20066 to #20060 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
because god told me he wanted you in heaven for your 40 virgins
User avatar #20071 to #20066 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Ohh, I see. We got a true believer in here. I rather dine in an eternity of spaghetti and meatballs with the flying spaghetti monster.
#20101 to #20071 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
in Spaghetti Monster heaven you get strippers and there is a beer volcano, I have read the Gospel it actually has some pretty good arguments compared to other religions
User avatar #20107 to #20101 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Link to description of Spaghetti heaven?
User avatar #20160 to #20150 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
"like heaven, has a beer volcano and stripper factory. The difference being that the beer is warm and stale, the strippers all have STD's, and there are penguins everywhere"
I laughed
#20089 to #20071 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
spaggetti isn't real
User avatar #20103 to #20089 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Brains are for thinking
#20106 to #20103 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
and to feel pain
User avatar #20108 to #20106 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
And to not believe in stupid things, hint, hint
#20114 to #20108 - weakinthecenterr (04/01/2013) [-]
actually thats exactly what the human brain is. thats where imagination and creativity and therefore art comes from
User avatar #20119 to #20114 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
thanks i knew that
#19969 to #19933 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Does any one have the on about bread?

These things are hilarious.
User avatar #20324 to #19969 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MORE FEASIBLE THAT GOD JUST APPEARED FROM FUCKING NOWHERE




fucking hell that is the worst theist argument I have ever heard
User avatar #20564 to #20324 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Damn, you pissy, how butt hurt are you anyway?
User avatar #20641 to #20564 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I hate that argument.

Carry on using your overused edgy words to describe how mad I am.
User avatar #20644 to #20641 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Edgy = butt hurt?

I get the overused part but seriously, you get way to mad too fast dude. I posted that pic, and the bread one because they are all funny, even the one about Christianity.

I already had this conversation with thebritshguy, #20164
www.funnyjunk.com/religion/20164#20164
User avatar #20961 to #20644 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/02/2013) [-]
It's easy to type in caps lock to emphasize a point and not be particularly angry.

I was actually tabbing in and out of a TF2 game in friends while typing it, so I was in a pretty happy mood anyway.
User avatar #20064 to #19969 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
Actually atheists say "we don't know how it started, the big bang theory and evolution have strong evidence though" you are the ones who claim to know and it is not supported by any evidence
#20117 to #20064 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
man, you get pissy really fast, don't you.
User avatar #20123 to #20117 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
I don't see how I was pissy I explained my position
User avatar #20130 to #20123 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
He's christian. No use arguing with him sadly.
#20191 to #20130 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
there whole thread was just things like "atheists have bad lives and are annoyed" it just makes them look silly
User avatar #20196 to #20191 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
So was your guys'. It was a massive circlejerk.
#20200 to #20196 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
but most of mine had substance, they had points which could be expanded upon and debated rather than "atheist have small dicks :P"
User avatar #20218 to #20200 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Too stupid to undesrtand science? Try religion!
User avatar #20437 to #20218 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
yeah that one wasn't very good but a lot of them were true were as all of yours were lies, misinformation or just "your angry, it's not very nice"
User avatar #20008 to #19969 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
aint atheist, doesnt relate to me BUT makes more sense then any religion especially Christianity.
User avatar #20058 to #20036 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
explain why it is weak?
User avatar #20139 to #20058 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
repeated first pic.
User avatar #20144 to #20139 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
no I meant explain why his argument is weak? correct him
User avatar #20164 to #20144 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
If he is seriously using that as an argument, he's even more idiotic then any of the theist's that you call retarded.
It was nothing more than an insulting paragraph, that was meant to be funny. I actually find it quite funny, which is why a posted the one about atheism and bread. they are funny, but not something you take seriously.
User avatar #20185 to #20164 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
but that is actually what you believe, if you find it laughable why do you believe it?
User avatar #20190 to #20185 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
That is not what i believe, that is an over dramatized, simplified lie, of what i believe. if siad, without any true meaning behind it, just as a joke, ya it's funny.

you are just showing how much of a bigot you are towards this, and just trying to justify him simply you have a corresponding view point.
User avatar #20193 to #20190 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
how was it over dramatised, tell me what parts of the story he got wrong?
#20205 to #20193 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
"multi-dimensional flying Jew that came back from the dead so that it can give your spirit eternal life if you eat his flesh and drink his blood..." And so on and so fourth.

If i honestly have to explain each detail to you then fine. God is not multi-denominational, he makes up time and space. We donot drink his blood to go to heaven, we are not being saved from him, nor do we suffer from the curse of a rib women.
User avatar #20210 to #20205 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
fair enough, don't know why it took so long for you to refute it
User avatar #20211 to #20210 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
watching the walking dead, sorry.
User avatar #20242 to #20211 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
there's a marathon tonight right? I hardly watch it but I know what happened with you know, that guy. I'm hoping the governor gets whats coming to him.
User avatar #20245 to #20242 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
there has been a marathon all week, and the finale just ended here.


And it doesn't...
User avatar #20246 to #20245 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
oh.
User avatar #20247 to #20246 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Jk. But it is interesting what happens.
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User avatar #20039 to #20036 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
you asked --> "How so?"
User avatar #20042 to #20039 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
and you replied weakly.
User avatar #20048 to #20042 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
i dont have the time to reply to 6 people with good answers, srry, figure it out on your own.
#20059 to #20048 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
... what, that you an unoriginal bigot?
User avatar #20074 to #20059 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
if I was brought up in an Islamic family I would be particularly anti-Islamic but I know Christianity better and am personal with it as I used to be a Christian
User avatar #20067 to #20059 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm dissapointed in you. If your going to post, insult but at least say something else related to the matter.
#20073 to #20067 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
It's related in it's own way.
User avatar #20197 to #20079 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
in the Dark Ages the Christians spread lies about how Jews ate babies, this later spread to being used against atheists
#20081 to #20079 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
don't question it.



P.s. if you can't tell, i don't care about this thread anymore.
#19994 to #19969 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Never mind found it!
User avatar #20326 to #19994 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
"creatures so small nobody can see them"

ever heard of microscopes?
#19975 to #19969 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
lets retaliate. i'll post all my anti-atheism pictures
#20011 to #19975 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
why don't you research things before you criticise them? theories on the origin of life: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
<= fossil record
User avatar #20049 to #20011 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
none of those are transitional

please explain how a bunch of amino acids could have assembled themselves in multi-layered, algorithmic patterns within a phospholipid bilayer. DNA isnt just a random molecule, it carries information. information is immaterial so it couldnt have been produced by material causes
User avatar #20327 to #20049 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
chance.

Space is infinite. Hence why life exists on only one planet. It's insanely unlikely, but in an infinite space, it happens.
User avatar #20331 to #20327 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
the universe is not infinite.
User avatar #20333 to #20331 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
OH I'M FUCKING SORRY

I wasn't aware that you, an insignificant spec in the TINY amount of the universe we can observe is in any position to know SHIT about the universe. Shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you're talking about.
User avatar #20340 to #20333 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
we have this tool called logic. you should try using it sometime
User avatar #20342 to #20340 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I don't understand what caused this - Therefore God

Great logic
User avatar #20345 to #20342 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
strawman.

it's logically possible to determine properties of the universe's cause. for example, the cause must have been spaceless, timeless, and immaterial since it created space, time and matter. what fits this description?
User avatar #20347 to #20345 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Why can't the universe and space itself be causeless?
User avatar #20349 to #20347 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
that would break the causal principle.
User avatar #20350 to #20349 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
God breaks the causal principle
User avatar #20351 to #20350 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
No because He never began to exist. He's beginningless by definition.

the universe began to exist so it must have had a cause
User avatar #20353 to #20351 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
To prove something, you must apply the rules of logic and the universe. Otherwise you could prove anything by just saying "oh, it doesn't need a cause" or "it's beginingless by definition"
User avatar #20355 to #20353 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
why is it logically incoherent for an immaterial, spaceless, timeless being to be beginningless?
User avatar #20357 to #20355 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
why is it logically incoherent for something we know very very little about (the universe) to be beginingless
User avatar #20360 to #20357 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
it if was eternal it would have already experienced its heat death

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
User avatar #20364 to #20360 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
evolution is a theory

just a convincing one I believe to be true

If I get proved wrong, then ok. Too bad there is a lot more evidence for evolution than God.
User avatar #20365 to #20364 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
you can't escape the fact that the universe is finite. since it has been in a state of cosmic expansion throughout its history, it must have had a space-time boundary
User avatar #20362 to #20360 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
The heat death of the universe is a !! suggested!! ultimate fate of the universe

It's a theory dumbass
User avatar #20363 to #20362 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
i could say that about evolution....

we know for a fact that entropy is always increasing. if the universe was eternal it would be infinitely entropic
User avatar #20339 to #20333 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
actual infinites do not exist. infinity is just a concept.

if actual infinites did exist, logical absurdities would occur.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel
User avatar #20439 to #20339 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
i do agree on that. It is impossible of infinite to exist.
#20121 to #20049 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
<=transitional fossils
User avatar #20244 to #20121 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
>thumbnails
>2013

shiggy diggy
User avatar #20082 to #20049 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
there are several theories
http://www.evolutionofdna.com/Evolution-Of-DNA.html
User avatar #20102 to #20082 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
aaand none of them explain how material causes could have created genetic information
User avatar #20111 to #20102 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of:
*increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)
*increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)
*novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)
*novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)
2. A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:
*Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).
*RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)
*Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)
The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query… on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.

User avatar #20128 to #20111 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
"increased genetic variety in a population"

can be expressed by pre-existing information

"increased genetic material"

mutations can only delete base pairs or insert old ones in new places. this does not constitute new information

"A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. "

duplication does not constitute new info. point mutations substitute a single base pair, which invariable corrupts information
User avatar #20136 to #20128 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
invariably
User avatar #20004 to #19975 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
you honestly dont believe in evolution. Okay know i actaully am laughing unstoppably.
User avatar #20328 to #20004 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
it's the point when he comes up with bulshit like that I just stop taking him seriously.
#19987 to #19975 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Ah-ha! That will show them!
User avatar #20329 to #19987 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Never mind the fact that atheists have been opressed and executed the last 2000 years.
"OH NO SOMEONE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN MY GOD HELP THEY'RE OPRESSING ME"

"I NO LONGER GET SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR BEING RELIGIOUS WHAT WILL I DO?"
#20566 to #20329 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
It
is
a god
damn
joke
...
User avatar #20022 to #19987 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
aah man if I had a penny for every single time I had a leaflet on atheism, or if I had someone knocking on my door telling me "there is no God", how about all those times I have seen atheists in the street singing or school plays about atheist matters...I would have zero pennies
User avatar #20044 to #20022 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
I know man, it's awful, they are everywhere now'n days.
User avatar #20040 to #20022 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
If I had a penny for every time I've been called a retard or dumbass by you guys I could buy myself a private island
User avatar #20126 to #20040 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
but you are always insulting us
User avatar #20169 to #20126 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
not as much as you guys. lulz started an anti religious thread, this is just our retaliation.
User avatar #20181 to #20169 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
ok, but don't complain about us being insulting when I know you called me a faggot for no reason, I wasn't even talking to you
User avatar #20195 to #20181 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
That again? You two were acting like a couple on their first date. 'I declare a new religion thebritishguyism'
User avatar #20216 to #20195 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
I thought it was funny
User avatar #20078 to #20040 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
If i had a nickle for every time i was called brainwashed, i could get the U.S. out of dept.
User avatar #20084 to #20078 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
If every Christian combined that, we could pay off all debt and still have some left over.
User avatar #20094 to #20084 - darkrighteosnight (04/01/2013) [-]
Dude, if that happened, we'd still more than half of it left over.
User avatar #19978 to #19975 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
please do me a favor and create your own thread if you plan to do this.
User avatar #19989 to #19978 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
lol nope
User avatar #19982 to #19978 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
please do me a favor and fuck off
User avatar #19990 to #19982 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Are you mad at what im doing, you show signs of being irrational, illogical and plain out stupid so why don't you?
User avatar #19995 to #19990 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
No, I just really like telling people to fuck off.
User avatar #20002 to #19995 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Yah it makes you cool and all.
User avatar #20006 to #20002 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
About as cool as making fun of dead kids
User avatar #20065 to #20061 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
you? out of all people?
User avatar #20076 to #20068 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Good name for your account, I don't like liberals too. Not as much as old white republicans though.
But i thought your god doesn't allow these types of disgusting jokes?
User avatar #20080 to #20076 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
The Bible doesn't condemn humor
User avatar #20086 to #20080 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
While here, What is your political perspective?
User avatar #20087 to #20086 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
conservative
User avatar #20019 to #20016 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
It's a movie, I don't care. Try harder plz
User avatar #20018 to #20015 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Don't feel bad, don't show your tits if ya don't want trouble
User avatar #20023 to #20018 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
Trust me i dont
User avatar #20024 to #20023 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
I said I don't feel bad. Sandy Hook didn't affect me, it just irks me when kids try to be funny off of it.
User avatar #20029 to #20024 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
im not being funny, i liked that name. Thats all that matters, its an inside joke anyhows but i coudnt care anyways. Dont get butcheese over humor.

I constantly see hitler/holocaust memes, i dont get offended and start saying shit.
User avatar #20032 to #20029 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
>inside joke

yeah man last time I checked that isn't an inside joke. maybe if TCR was still on and someone used it there it could be but it's not on.
User avatar #20083 to #20032 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
>Ghetto Ghost at church
>Steals from donation box
>Ghost hears and rages
User avatar #20088 to #20083 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Best ghetto ghost moment was his i have a dream speech. Favorite moment overall is when someone played the Russian anthem.
User avatar #20097 to #20088 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
I cant even think of a favorite. Too many good moments
User avatar #20307 to #20097 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
scratch that, fav moment was when the engie played the boss nigger song on the air. that was amazing.
User avatar #20038 to #20032 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
shit, you listen to TCR. I dont car who the fuck you are high fucking five for now. Still constantly listen to the past episodes
User avatar #20017 to #20013 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
2^78edgy4(x2^5)me
#20030 to #19977 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
Dawkins is quite witty I think he often tells jokes in "the God Delusion"
#19991 to #19977 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Only image I have.
User avatar #20034 to #19981 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
that isn't true
User avatar #20054 to #20034 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
5 stages of grief buddy, 5 stages of grief.
User avatar #20093 to #20054 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
give me a real argument based on evidence against Dawkins, I think he's a cool guy
User avatar #20098 to #20093 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
What? I was making a joke about denial.
User avatar #20138 to #20098 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
yeah I know, these anti-atheist posts don't seem to have any substance to them
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User avatar #20041 to #20001 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
it is based on over whelming evidence, do you think Dawin just went "I reckon we cam from frogs!"
compare this to creation which isn't even supported by any evidence at all and says dinosaurs and humans were wandering around with each other
User avatar #20047 to #19980 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
the fact that you post this shows that you are the ones who are desperate to attack us rather than refute our arguments or have rational discussion
User avatar #20051 to #20047 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
how? it's an attack on theamazingatheist, tho it could apply to some people here.
User avatar #20056 to #20051 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
oh right I didn't see the note, theamazingatheist is obnoxious but I think he has some good points
User avatar #20063 to #20056 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
watched his first video, shut it off a minute later. people claim Christians are bigots but this guy used nigger and called muslims towelheads.
User avatar #20129 to #19983 - mayormilkman (04/01/2013) [-]
This sums up a good amount of religious arguments on FJ accurately.
User avatar #20334 to #19998 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Here's the thing
I'm not special
You're not special

No-one is fucking special
User avatar #20419 to #20334 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
You guys think you are tho.
User avatar #20433 to #20419 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
as some of you do, besides it doesn't mean we are wrong just as it doesn't mean you are right
User avatar #20423 to #20419 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
some of us do
#20005 to #19998 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
not exactly anti-atheist, more of an example to all the kids who think saying 'CREDIT SCINCE BRIANWHSED MORONS!111' is funny
#20007 to #20005 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
liberal, atheist, what's the different
#20046 to #20020 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
also forgot this one
User avatar #20025 to #20020 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
i dont think you should be using that
User avatar #20027 to #20025 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Why? Copernicus was religous, he just disagreed with some points.
User avatar #19966 to #19933 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
yeah please don't ruin this board by flooding it with a bunch of juvenile bullshit
User avatar #19959 to #19933 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Sorry, this isn't circlejerk general. You and all the other grade 4's would be more at home here www.reddit.com/r/atheism
User avatar #19973 to #19959 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm blinded.
User avatar #19944 to #19933 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
God is not muti-dimensional. he is spaceless and timeless
User avatar #19968 to #19944 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
but he exists in every dimension, if thats what u mean
User avatar #19943 to #19933 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Everthing looks fine to me.
User avatar #19952 to #19949 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Tell me am I just slow or did the alert triangle got just a sound effect?
User avatar #19960 to #19952 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
yep now theres a sound effect everytime someone responds
User avatar #19954 to #19952 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
what? I wasn't able to understand what you said based on your spelling.
User avatar #19965 to #19954 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Now seriously, since when has this alert triangle a sound?
User avatar #19957 to #19954 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
me bad at spelling and grammr is.
User avatar #19974 to #19957 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
It's been making noises? I havent noticed to be honest.
Not spelling right is fine btw.
What do u believe in?
User avatar #19979 to #19974 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
I'm catholic, but disagree with the chuch on some points.
#19950 to #19946 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
the *pop* noise from the notification was made just as he farted lol
User avatar #20026 to #19950 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
That would've been funny in grade two.
User avatar #20434 to #20026 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
it's interesting because it shows how ridiculous your claim is
User avatar #20335 to #20026 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
If you're so mature, why are you on funnyjunk?
User avatar #20420 to #20335 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Nice comeback. And I'm sure most people on this website are above fart jokes.
User avatar #20424 to #20420 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
you obviously haven't been on frontpage in a while. 12 year olds everywhere
#19953 to #19950 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
that noah one was great
#19958 to #19953 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
there's a page I follow on facebook called atheist memes, I got it from there
#19962 to #19958 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
smh haven't we been through this
User avatar #20000 to #19962 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
there were different claims made about these Gods, that is the original myth but there are still religions based on the Horus who is more like Jesus
User avatar #20010 to #20000 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
horus is nothing like Jesus
User avatar #20207 to #20010 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
the original myth isn't but there are many other claims about Mithras and such
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_X1hdCUqf8
User avatar #20217 to #20207 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
mithraism came after Jesus' time.
User avatar #20221 to #20217 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
20 years after he supposedly died, that was before the Jesus story
User avatar #20224 to #20221 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, it came after, so Jesus didn't 'copy' them
User avatar #20233 to #20224 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
the Christian religion was being put together 300 years after the death though
User avatar #20225 to #20224 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
and the Apostles starting writing approx 5 years after his death
User avatar #20230 to #20225 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
prove it
User avatar #20237 to #20230 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
In Acts it mentions Porcius Festus' replacing to Pilate (this happened 59AD). Also, the first accounts of Mithraism were in 2nd century AD, not first (www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/386080/Mithraism)
User avatar #20432 to #20237 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
in referance to Mithras this page says - "This son of a god born of a virgin, was so commonly spread in those days that Philo of Alexandria (30 BCE - 45 CE), warned against this widespread superstitious belief in unions between male gods and human females. The offspring’s are known as demigods."
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html
User avatar #20238 to #20237 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
remove the end bracket
#19963 to #19941 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
that is one of Christopher Hitchens famous arguments
#19967 to #19963 - lulzforsandyhook (04/01/2013) [-]
thanks, my religion mem folder is filled with stuff know
User avatar #20028 to #19985 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Stalin was atheist genius.
User avatar #20204 to #20028 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
I know, but it is irrelevant to my point. Once again you are making assumptions, I am aware Stalin was an atheist but the comparison is still just as valid. You better be ready for my rap sucker I've already wrote it prepare for the real storm of shit lol
User avatar #20215 to #20204 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, but it shows that people on both sides are fucked, and basically ruins the entire image.
User avatar #20209 to #20204 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
What the fuck is even atheist rap?
User avatar #20213 to #20209 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
garbage
User avatar #20219 to #20212 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
I see the only think I found were songs from a serbian punk rock band called "atheist rap"
User avatar #20228 to #20219 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
there are a lot of Europeans that are into that, probably because religion is pretty big in many of those places, but there are a few Americans, Greydon Square, Rational Warrior, Young Inc,
this is the only british one I know of: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CJL_IQz7Q

User avatar #19972 to #19967 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
>what are genetics
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User avatar #19863 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
Hey guys, I just came here to see if there was a shitstorm brewing. From the looks of it, there is.
User avatar #20070 to #19863 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
After seeing this thread above, I'm apologising, you were partially right about this board.
User avatar #20202 to #20070 - klaes (04/01/2013) [-]
the following is screwing around, plz don't get offended

I now declare myself the prophet of the Religion board.

"I came here to see if a shitstorm was brewing.
~My good people, I arrived in these plentiful lands in search of any man, woman, or creature that would threaten the peaceful state these lands find themselves in.

"From the looks of it, there is."
~I bring you a warning, honourable people of FJudea. From the dark horizon rises a true monster of a thread, one that will divide /religion/ and leave a trail of hatred and adversity in its path. Heed my warning, o ye' of faith and ye' of little, for this may be your last peaceful hour on this board.

As you can see, I, Klaes the Wanderer, have accurately predicted the future. I walk through these lands with our lord DJ 4DM1N beside me, and he warns me of the evil we must face. Rally behind me, and we shall face the ignorant comments of those who insult others with pride, as DJ 4DM1N is on our side.


Perhaps someone should put that in a book? ;D

I'm joking, of course, I just feel like this board could use a little bit more of light-hearted pissing around. That aside, I hope you all have a wonderful week, regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof.
User avatar #20208 to #20202 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
Saved that as a file called "Book of Klaes", for further use I have no idea
But thank you, have a nice week aswell.
User avatar #20031 to #19863 - teoberry ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
I think you can predict the future. You could make a whole ton of cash off that.
User avatar #20182 to #20031 - klaes (04/01/2013) [-]
Fate conspires, sometimes for us, sometimes against us. This time, luck worked in my favour. If it begins happening regularly, I'll be sure to get myself some fancy mystic clothes and lure in a few hundred tourists a day.
User avatar #19878 to #19863 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
it's just the same bunch of atheists using the same arguments they always use
User avatar #19884 to #19878 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
same christianians using same arguments and still being idiotic
User avatar #19881 to #19878 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
And the same bunch of theists using the same arguments they always use, zlamous.

I don't understand though, you seem like a decently intelligent guy(or girl) as many of the theists and atheists on this board do. So why do you all partake in a argument that is based largely on belief, and is practically impossible to prove or disprove? Isn't it nicer just to agree to disagree?
User avatar #19895 to #19881 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
"And the same bunch of theists using the same arguments they always use"

not really. our arguments are a lot more diverse. atheists just use the 'problem of evil' argument over and over

" So why do you all partake in a argument that is based largely on belief, and is practically impossible to prove or disprove?"

We're trying to determine which belief is more rational. I believe that God is provable and a lot atheists believe that He is disprovable
User avatar #20337 to #19895 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I've never said God is disprovable.
I say it is fucking stupid to believe in something with no proof for it.
User avatar #20341 to #20337 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
wasnt even talking to you.

and yes theres proof
User avatar #20344 to #20341 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
there is no solid proof

No, the bible is not proof.
No, things said by people 2000 years ago is not proof.
No, your personal beliefs on the matter are not proof
No, lack of proof of the opposite is not proof.
User avatar #20346 to #20344 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
Good thing i've never used those things as proof
User avatar #20348 to #20346 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Give a single piece of proof and I'll tell you why it's bullshit
User avatar #19902 to #19895 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
"our arguments are a lot more diverse"

Perhaps, perhaps not. Many times both sides in this have just shoved the same thing in under a new packaging, which is not by any means a more diverse argument.

As far as debating the rationality of it, that's fair enough I suppose. I personally believe that the existence of God is not really provable or disprovable, and as the burden of proof lies on those making the claims it is the theists job to prove it.

However; this is simply my opinion. I can agree to respect your choice to believe he exists, or that it is provable that he exists, just as I expect you to respect my choice to do the opposite.
User avatar #19918 to #19902 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
notice how no two Christians have used the same argument on this board. i'll admit to reusing the kalam cosmological argument a lot tho.

i believe that the kalam cosmological argument and the ontological argument prove the existence of God beyond a reasonable doubt. in order to disprove God someone would have to demonstrate that the concept of God is logically incoherent/contradictory

if an atheist claims that his position is more reasonable than mine he also has a burden of proof
User avatar #19871 to #19863 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Why does everyone assume this is shitstorm central? Most conversations on here are fairly civil.
User avatar #20162 to #19871 - mayormilkman (04/01/2013) [-]
The pages on here can get much longer than the other boards. This place seems to have a unique trait among them, which is having many lengthy discussions but it's otherwise slow. The more active boards tend to have much shorter conversations.
User avatar #20241 to #20162 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (04/01/2013) [-]
Oh absolutely, I don't doubt that. I think that can be attributed to the fact that most boards cover a wide range of vague topics, while this board has very niche conversations that usually occupy the page for a day or 2. Not technically making this board "slow" just the main conversations become "sticky"s of sorts and those who join in, join in and others simply observe.
User avatar #19880 to #19871 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
"STILL NOT A FUCKING RELIGION"

"thank goodness you got past the "EVIL ATHEIST RATIONAL THINKING" and went back to believeing everything your book tells you"

"it's all bullshit. All these 'contradictions'? Complete bullshit."

"BE WARNED THERE IS A VERY FUCKED UP COCK ON THE FIRST PAGE OF IMAGES"

Aye, this board certainly is quite civil. It's practically bleeding civility, kindness, and understanding.
User avatar #19926 to #19880 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
well dude about the cock thing the foreskin was hanging like an inch or two off of the cock and it was disgusting.
User avatar #19914 to #19880 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
You're taking things out of context, you're just picking random comments with curses and capslock.
User avatar #19919 to #19914 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
The large amount of name calling found on this board, which I did not bother to quote, is sure enough proof that this is no civil discussion. One need only scroll up to see that in the replies to this comment alone, one group as a whole is being branded idiotic and people are generalizing.

I never said shitstorms were a terrible thing, but this is undeniably the shitstorm board.
User avatar #19947 to #19919 - ragnarfag (04/01/2013) [-]
You know what a shitstorm is, don't you?
The things you will encounter here are just harmless arguments, nothing to claim this the "shitstorm central".
User avatar #19889 to #19880 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
just because some uses caps lock doesn't mean they are mad or screaming at the computer. Also using insults doesn't make a conversation civil, as long the whole conversation isn't "i fuc**** hate you motherfuc****". I for one get a laugh and enjoy having conversations with christians.
User avatar #19899 to #19889 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
Aye, but as soon as people resort to name calling, it is by definition a logical fallacy. If I , for example, said "Hur durr your name is so terrible, typical of an atheist "(assuming you're atheist, of course.), it is already losing most of its civility. From what I've seen scrolling the last few pages, it's just everyone calling eachother idiots, morons, brainwashed twats, and rebellious children.
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User avatar #19928 to #19921 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

I believe insults fall under this category, as they are for sure appealing to feelings/prejudices. Of course, it's a more redeemable fallacy than "stacking the deck" or using a "Either/or", but its still a fallacy.
User avatar #19931 to #19928 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
if i used a logical argument and then at the end called someone a faggot, that wouldn't be ad hominem. in order to be ad hominem i'd have to replace an argument with insults. EX. "why should we believe anything you say, you used to smoke weed in high school"
User avatar #19934 to #19931 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
Hmm, I suppose that's fair enough. Regardless, insults in what could be a intellectual debate are still pretty low.
User avatar #19900 to #19899 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
Well i do resort to name calling, but i always add into the conversation at hand.
User avatar #19882 to #19880 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
First of all, I can go through the last 5 pages of conversation and find maybe 10 posts in total being uncivil. The heavy majority (of which I would know considering most of the people who have constant conversations, myself included, aren't rude) are perfectly fine.
User avatar #19888 to #19882 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
you've been rude at times
User avatar #19916 to #19888 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
I wouldn't call it rude, just harsh. Which will happen in an area of freelance debates.

User avatar #19929 to #19916 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
We've all been. We're all very passionate about these topics, so harshness and frustration is expected. I've never seen you lose your cool tho.
User avatar #19922 to #19916 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
well i've been harsh as well so i wont judge u for it
#19893 to #19888 - N. Korean citizen (03/31/2013) [-]
Pot meet kettle
User avatar #19775 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
User avatar #19799 to #19775 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
lol this intro song is pretty arrogant.
User avatar #19883 to #19799 - noblexfenrir ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
I think it's a nice song.
User avatar #19805 to #19799 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
Okay?
User avatar #19791 to #19775 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
i hate that bald guy so fucking much. he has such an poor grasp of Biblical hermeneutics. all he does is lie, misrepresent, and quote mine.
User avatar #19803 to #19791 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
Well, that just proves how reliable you are.

He is well educated in The Bible, probably more than anyone on this board. He spent 25 years of his life devoted to Christianity and he almost became a minister.

I think you just don't like the information he brings to the table.
User avatar #19809 to #19803 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
that means he's intentionally misrepresenting the Bible.

He's not spreading information he's spreading disinformation and propaganda to help spread his pathetic worldview
User avatar #19813 to #19809 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
" that means he's intentionally misrepresenting the Bible. "

Just because he brings factual evidence to the table doesn't mean he is misrepresenting anything.

And if you truly believe he is misrepresenting the bible, call his show next Sunday and start a debate. Prove him wrong.

User avatar #19825 to #19813 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
none of what he said is accurate. there is not a single fact that supports atheism

and no, i'm not gonna call his pathetic show. anytime he gets proven wrong he just resorts to yelling and interrupting.

in this video he hangs up on a caller after he's stumped www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYeoTFbLo_Y
User avatar #19833 to #19825 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
" and no, i'm not gonna call his pathetic show. anytime he gets proven wrong he just resorts to yelling and interrupting. "

He has never been proven wrong to what I have seen. I have yet to see him yell and I have watched many videos now. He does raise his voice from time to time when the callers get belligerent or chaotic. He also hangs up on people who get belligerent or chaotic, especially if they are talking in circles, about nonsense or have taken up half the show.

" none of what he said is accurate. there is not a single fact that supports atheism "

Proof?
User avatar #19841 to #19833 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
"He has never been proven wrong to what I have seen"

have you seen his debate with Matt Slick?
User avatar #19845 to #19841 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
Maybe, I have watched a lot of the videos. Link it here so after I finish the first one you posted I can watch that one.
User avatar #19850 to #19845 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Qu1yUaaDQ

he gets his ass handed to him. dilahunty doesn't understand modal logic
User avatar #20009 to #19850 - eight (04/01/2013) [-]
I disagree. He was staying consistent to his original statements throughout. He pointed out from the beginning that there was a structural fallacy in the argument, and Slick wanted to continue on delving into deeper theoretics without first correcting the issue(around statement 3 I believe).

That puts Dilahunty in the position of debating theoretics that are basically all false(or weak) after the point of the first structural fallacy. If I build a house that has weak walls, anything above that is put in danger of collapsing, especially as I add any weight, such as the roof.

And neither of them really achieved the point of why God does or does not exist, which is the entire point of the show. The debate was really pointless.

Do I agree that Slick frustrated Dilahunty to the max? Absolutely. But Slick was frustrated as well.
User avatar #19745 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Hey guys, I won't be posting for a bit, I'm gonna try and refute all of these. So far I've noticed that the creator put in a lot of filler, ex, he gave two verses. One had to do with the Ark of the Covenant, the other had to do with how long Saul was king. See y'all later, I'm hoping to get the first bit up and on pastebin by tonight.

outofthegdwaye.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproj ect.png (file was too big)
#19783 to #19745 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
this is the original image. it's actually just a map of all the times the Bible references itself.
User avatar #19789 to #19783 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Thanks bud. I had a feeling this was bullshit due to the fact there were no fucking contradictions except for one clerical error.
User avatar #19786 to #19783 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
yeah. It was added above to make the list look more impressive
User avatar #19780 to #19745 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
have fun defending obvious contradictions of your magical book!
User avatar #19788 to #19780 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
May I ask how it is being that brave?
User avatar #19790 to #19788 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
it doesn't take bravery to mock someone who's been brainwashed into believeing in a man in the sky
User avatar #19806 to #19802 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
Do I get to be in that?
User avatar #19811 to #19806 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
well of course. you're the bravest atheist i've ever encountered
User avatar #19815 to #19811 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
thanks
I do try
User avatar #19807 to #19806 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
Just keep doing what you've been doing.
User avatar #19812 to #19807 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
standing up for my beliefs?
User avatar #19822 to #19812 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
So your saying atheism is a belief?
User avatar #19826 to #19822 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
yes

I BELIEVE there is no God
that doesn't make it a religion
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User avatar #19827 to #19826 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
any belief about the existence of God is a relgious belief by definiton
User avatar #19832 to #19827 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
User avatar #19917 to #19832 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
Zlamous is right, atheism is a religious view, a belief also he never said it was a religion.
User avatar #19925 to #19917 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
well i do believe its a religion
User avatar #20319 to #19925 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
well then you are 100% wrong.

You can't argue with an official dictionary definition.
User avatar #19932 to #19925 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
In view of the atheist organisations and it's world view you could say atheism is slowly stepping towards becoming a organized "pseudoreligion".
User avatar #19837 to #19832 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
i bet that definition comes from an atheist site
User avatar #19839 to #19837 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
Oxford dictionary
User avatar #19847 to #19839 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
well look at teoberry's definition. 'a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith'.

under this definition atheism is definently a religion
User avatar #20322 to #19847 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
who gives a shit.
I trust Oxford dictionary more than that guy
User avatar #19829 to #19827 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
It is a belief about religion.

doesn't make it a religion
User avatar #19835 to #19829 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
religion: ': a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith'. Therefore, you're saying atheism is a religio
User avatar #19887 to #19835 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
faith
/fāTH/
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
I don't have complete trust or confidence there isn't a God I'm just saying there isn't reliable evidence for a God
User avatar #19891 to #19887 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
I was talking to religion, he said it's his beliefs, therefore it's a religion.
User avatar #19894 to #19891 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
well then isn't evolution or liberalism a religion?
User avatar #19897 to #19894 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Yep, and yep. If it's cause held to with ardor or faith, by definition it's a religion.
User avatar #19901 to #19897 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
but that's wrong because they are not religions, evolution is a theory and liberalism is a political party. Anyway if that is so then there is no big deal with atheism is a religion, we are all in several religions.
User avatar #19836 to #19835 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
n
User avatar #19831 to #19829 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
belief about religion=religious belief
User avatar #19834 to #19831 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
religious belief

STILL NOT A FUCKING RELIGION
User avatar #19838 to #19834 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
how could it be a religious belief without being a religion?
User avatar #19840 to #19838 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
I can have opinions on homosexuality with being a homosexual
User avatar #19843 to #19840 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
false analogy. i'm not saying 'you have a belief about religions therefore you're religious'

I'm saying 'you have a belief about God, therefore you are religious'
User avatar #20320 to #19843 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
I don't have a belief about God.
I believe he doesn't exist, therefore without your input, I have no belief of him.
User avatar #20323 to #20320 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
you have a belief about the existence of God
User avatar #20332 to #20323 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
calling atheism a religion is like calling not-golf a sport
User avatar #20343 to #20332 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
that would only be analogous if atheism was just a lack of religion
User avatar #20325 to #20323 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (04/01/2013) [-]
Yes.
I believe he doesn't exist.

As defined by Oxford dictionary, to be religious I must believe in and worship a deity to be classed as religious.

You are WRONG. Shut up.
User avatar #20330 to #20325 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
so you have a belief about God(that he doesnt exist) so you have a religious belief.

religion: "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe"

dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
User avatar #19824 to #19822 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
*you're
User avatar #19792 to #19790 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
That's the best you could come up with? I'm not brainwashed. I've had many, many times of doubt. But I've gotten through it
User avatar #19796 to #19792 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
thank goodness you got past the "EVIL ATHEIST RATIONAL THINKING" and went back to believeing everything your book tells you
#19800 to #19796 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Boy, someone's edgy today. Mommy make you go to mass?
User avatar #19804 to #19800 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
My mum let me believe what I want.
I was taught religiously at school up to the age of 10.
By age 6 I was an atheist.
User avatar #19808 to #19804 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
That's real neat-o. My bouts of atheism were last year and two years before that. Got over it quick. It legit started to fuck up my life.
User avatar #19810 to #19808 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
oh god you're hilarious
User avatar #19821 to #19810 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Thank you. Unfortunately, I don't see how my grades plummeting is hilarious, but I know you guys like your dark, edgy humor.
#19844 to #19821 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
I cannot for the love of my life believe you have been on the religious board for that long and yet you still are a christian.
Pathetic
User avatar #19868 to #19844 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
none of the atheists have given us any valid reason to accept atheism. they have also failed to refute the arguments we've presented
User avatar #19872 to #19868 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
You haven't given any reliable evidence.

You want some evidence:
-YOUR RELIGION SOUNDS like a children's book story
-It's ridiculous how many questions your religion poses and the contradictories it has
-It is completely unfair (the test)
- and more and more
User avatar #19876 to #19872 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
-i could say the same about naturalism

-all the supposed contradicitons i've seen are just misrepresentations

-this is not an argument against God because we're the ones who introduced sin
User avatar #19892 to #19876 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
make some children book like claims from naturalism
User avatar #19909 to #19892 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
a frog turned into a prince after being affected by random mutations for millions of years
User avatar #19927 to #19909 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
but when we say story book claims like "a talking snake told Eve to eat the apple" - no supporting evidence and counter evidence.
we aren't manipulating the story to make it sound ridiculous that is the absolute truth you must believe in a talking animal. But you are leaving out many details to make it sound absurd if you said: "a frog mutated slightly to make it stand a little more upright meaning it was able to stand upright and therefore survive successfully and pass on it's genes. This process repeated itself until the frog stood upright and. The dinosaur could then travel further and faster spreading itself and thriving and when there was a disaster all the weak dinosaurs with bad genes died leaving the strongest dinosaurs to survive meaning that dinosaurs kept adapting to the environment. As the environment changed dramatically over millions of years the dinosaurs had to change dramatically also to survive in these environments, eventually they turned into humans." - supported by the fossil record, geology, genetics, experimentation
which claim is more absurd?
User avatar #19940 to #19927 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
" which claim is more absurd? "

Yours. a talking snake is logically possible if god exists. however its not possible for mutations to add information and create new species
#19945 to #19940 - thebritishguy (04/01/2013) [-]
a talking snake is logcal lmao was that a joke? a snake can make this sound "hssssss" just checking that you understand. If the snake somehow has the parts of the brain, vocal cords, tongue, lips, language to speak it isn't a snake it is a giant head with a tail, seriously your head is full of garbage
User avatar #19951 to #19945 - zlamous (04/01/2013) [-]
*hssssss*

thats the sound ur mum makes when air escapes her fat rolls
User avatar #19855 to #19844 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
How is that pathetic? This board has only strengthened by faith. Besides all the arguments for God I've been shown, I've also come to realize that most atheists are either
1 - rebellious kids
2- disgusting people who are angry because of how their life sucks and they lash out.

I will give props to swifty, noble, and thebritishguy for being classy. The world needs more atheists like that. They're great guys.
User avatar #19877 to #19855 - thebritishguy (03/31/2013) [-]
I am flattered but this isn't a good sample of how atheists are. I think the majority of atheists just spend their time doing normal things and we debaters are the minority.
User avatar #19873 to #19855 - klaes (03/31/2013) [-]
Eh, the debate over what "x party is like" and what "y party is like" shouldn't really influence what you believe. There are horrible people in every group, and unfortunately they tend to be the most vocal ones. One need only look at Islam to see this: the majority are reasonable and respectable folk, but the minor group of violent ones get all the news coverage.

Don't let how a party is viewed alter what you believe, and don't generalize an entire group based on the actions of a few, even if you're using the word "most". As far as religion itself goes: I'm an atheist, but I think before we get into the whole "does God exist" debate everyone has to learn to tolerate each others views. Plenty of theists spew hatred towards those who oppose their views, and plenty of atheists put down others simply because of what they believe. If we really want to collectively debate(not argue) about the existence of God(s), this hatred has to end first.
User avatar #19866 to #19855 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
Wow, stop right their. It seems to me like your being ignorant and putting all atheists into 1 or more categorie(s). Not all people are like that at all, I know many people who are adults, even parents and are atheists. They actually happen to live much better lives then other adults. The reason many young people are becoming atheists is because we as humanity are greatly increasing our knowledge and only now has it become highly okay to be atheist. Kids on the other hand are doing it to stick in but not all.
Many atheists could seem angry when talking is because they hear complete non sense coming out of stupid religious people's mouths when discussing religion and other matters.
I'm myself am not athiest btw.

The fact that this board has strengthed your faith is even more pathetic
User avatar #19875 to #19866 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
I said most. There are classy, smart, atheists. Usually, they don't say as much, as they know not to be a douchebag. And I think you're pathetic. Making fun of Sandy Hook.
User avatar #19879 to #19875 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
What a surprise. You're offended by my name and your christian and your attempting to change the conversation.
User avatar #19896 to #19879 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Well yeah, anyone with common sense would be offended by that name. But back to the topic, this board has shown me what atheists are like. Like I said, there are smart, classy atheists. I worded it wrong though. They are the silent majority. It's loudmouths like you who make it look bad.
User avatar #19903 to #19896 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
I'm not an atheist, did that part just go through your head like every other argument?

I'm not going to start talking about my name because i have gone through it many times. I believe in either no restriction for humor or full. There is no, "i like this and i dont like that, blah blah blah that hurts my feeling its bad but this is funny so it doesnt"
User avatar #19904 to #19903 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
You never said you weren't an atheist, at least during this argument.
User avatar #19920 to #19904 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
When i say deism i mean like some kind of binding force unrelated at all to humans or thinking. More of in a philosophical sense anyhow. It's hard to explain, it certainly has nothing to do with religion though.
User avatar #19923 to #19920 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Then until you find a better word, don't use deist.
User avatar #19913 to #19904 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
Along the line of diest/agnostic/apotheist


why ask if you would make me unable to reply?
User avatar #19915 to #19913 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Reply limit. Also, if deism weren't there it would make sense, as deism is that you believe in a God, you just think He doesn't give a shit.
User avatar #19908 to #19904 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
"I'm myself am not athiest btw."

Common man, its right at the top, 19866
User avatar #19911 to #19908 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
Only read the first part, as I knew that's basically what the paragraph would be about. So what are you? Deist? Agnostic?
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User avatar #19779 to #19745 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
Well, have fun
User avatar #19797 to #19779 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
I was wrong, it's all bullshit. All these 'contradictions'? Complete bullshit.
User avatar #19750 to #19745 - teoberry ONLINE (03/31/2013) [-]
oh yeah. a whoooole lot of this is filler to make it look bad.
#19735 - levchenko (03/31/2013) [-]
Feelings?
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User avatar #19736 to #19735 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
I don't know who that is, so none.
User avatar #19738 to #19736 - levchenko (03/31/2013) [-]
That's fair...
User avatar #19739 to #19738 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
well who is it?
User avatar #19742 to #19739 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
copernicus dumbass
User avatar #19743 to #19742 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
it's funny because he was right and religious people were wrong.

But it's perfectly ok for you to just shrug that off.
User avatar #19751 to #19743 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
Wow, stop being such a fag.
User avatar #19753 to #19751 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
because insults prove your point
User avatar #19769 to #19753 - ragnarfag (03/31/2013) [-]
No, because you're wrong, Kopernikus was catholic and did not see his system in conflict with the Bible.
User avatar #19747 to #19743 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
u realize that copernicus was a Christian right?
User avatar #19756 to #19747 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
Either way, many discoveries throughout history have been shunned by religious people
User avatar #19759 to #19756 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
most objections to heliocentrism were based on scientific ignorance, not religion
User avatar #19761 to #19759 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
most scientififc ignorance stems from religion
#19768 to #19761 - eight (03/31/2013) [-]
He does have a point with that statement.
User avatar #19764 to #19761 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
no....it stems from a lack of data
User avatar #19765 to #19764 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
and religion teaches that everything you don't understand is God's work
User avatar #19766 to #19765 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
it has never stopped anyone from investigating how the universe works
User avatar #19771 to #19766 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
yes it fucking has
User avatar #19774 to #19771 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
prove it
User avatar #19848 to #19774 - lulzforsandyhook (03/31/2013) [-]
He JUST GAVE YOU A FUCKING EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar #19852 to #19848 - zlamous (03/31/2013) [-]
and i refuted it. objections to heliocentrism were based on scientific misunderstandings
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User avatar #19777 to #19774 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
I don't need to.
It's common knowledge.
#19728 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
How to read the bible
#19748 to #19728 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
Well that's not nice...
Well that's not nice...
User avatar #19752 to #19748 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
but oh so true
User avatar #19757 to #19752 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
not really
User avatar #19763 to #19757 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
I've never seen people applying to the parts of the bible that say hair cuts are disallowed
User avatar #19767 to #19763 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
Are you referring to the strength giving hair of Samson, or Leviticus disallowing shaving?

Samson was told not to cut his hair because it was a personal symbol, not a rule for others.

Leviticus has been revised in the new testament to were most rules are null and void.
User avatar #19772 to #19767 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
Most rules are null and void, except for the ones we like.
Hence the picture I posted
User avatar #19776 to #19772 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
yet again, not really, we are not picking and choosing, well i don't any way. I can't speak for others.
User avatar #19778 to #19776 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
"ewwwww gays are icky"

gays aren't allowed!
User avatar #19781 to #19778 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
How the hell did we get to that? Any way ya, i think Homosexuality is a sin. Why? because it is unnatural. Not because the Bible told me so.

And no i do not go around pissing on myself screaming about how it sin. Nor do i hate gay people. I could care less if someone was gay or not.
User avatar #19782 to #19781 - religionisweird **User deleted account** (03/31/2013) [-]
animals can be gay
are animals not natural?
User avatar #19793 to #19782 - darkrighteosnight (03/31/2013) [-]
Yes they are, but they are behaving unnaturally, evolution equipped animals to mate between a male and female, in order to reproduce offspring. If 2 males or 2 females were to attempt to reproduce, they would fail and thus acting unnaturally. If they were to continue this, they would die without ever reproducing, there specific gene code and DNA strand would end. Being gay is unnatu