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#87427 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
all the JIDF tricks failed today, cleverguy must be really whining at his fails

what a good day to watch him cry

MUH HOLOCAUST, hide all the truth. cheat,lie and jew
User avatar #87425 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
what if i told you i wasnt actually jewish?
#87476 to #87425 - dehumanizer (09/16/2014) [-]
So you say... you do it... for free?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBEBkZ7sPMo
#87426 to #87425 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
cheat, lie and jew

JIDF tricks wont work here
#87424 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
cleverguy jew logic 101 of the day:   
   
if you dont agree with me and you disproved me, it is useless to talk to you and i will not respond to you anymore.   
   
-cleverguy   
   
stay jewish. cheat, lie and jew
cleverguy jew logic 101 of the day:

if you dont agree with me and you disproved me, it is useless to talk to you and i will not respond to you anymore.

-cleverguy

stay jewish. cheat, lie and jew
User avatar #87361 - jonglio (09/15/2014) [-]
Shalom chaverim

Shalom chaverim

Shalom Shalom!!
#87353 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
Oy Vey, Oy Gevalt   
IT IS LIKE ANOTHER SHOAH!   
   
My jimmies aren't alright on the mountain tonight   
I'm rustled to the bones   
I need a thousand shills for backup   
but it looks like I'm alone   
   
Goyim are howling with their racist Stormfront pride   
Couldn't shill alone, YHWH knows I've tried   
   
Won't let you win, won't set you free   
Be the good goy that you're supposed to be   
In six trillion, much doubt they sow   
The goyim know   
   
Shut it down, shut it down   
can't speak your mind anymore   
shut it down, shut it down   
no free speech for the goy   
   
Your rights end   
Where my feelings begin   
Let the stormfront rage,   
We're just gonna shut it down anyways
Oy Vey, Oy Gevalt
IT IS LIKE ANOTHER SHOAH!

My jimmies aren't alright on the mountain tonight
I'm rustled to the bones
I need a thousand shills for backup
but it looks like I'm alone

Goyim are howling with their racist Stormfront pride
Couldn't shill alone, YHWH knows I've tried

Won't let you win, won't set you free
Be the good goy that you're supposed to be
In six trillion, much doubt they sow
The goyim know

Shut it down, shut it down
can't speak your mind anymore
shut it down, shut it down
no free speech for the goy

Your rights end
Where my feelings begin
Let the stormfront rage,
We're just gonna shut it down anyways
#87354 to #87353 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
It's funny how television
Makes real big things seem small
And I use the box to control you
Six trillion Jews did fall

It's time to cheat and lie and jew
To build up Zion and break you
No right, no wrong, no rules for me
I'm free

Shut it down, shut it down
My holy kingdom is divine
Shut it down, shut it down
Kiss your lands and homes goodbye

Your rights end
Where my feelings begin
Let the Arabs rage on
#87355 to #87354 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
My power currency drives markets to the ground
Your soul is spiraling to television's Piper sound
And my hand waves and it is made to come to pass
I'll shut down every goy, my whim is their command!

Shut it down! Shut it down!
I raise the Third Temple at dawn
Shut it down! Shut it down!
The age of the goy is gone.

Here I stand
In new Zion, oy vey!
Let the Arabs rage on
We're just gonna annex them anyways
#87357 to #87341 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
>creepypasta
>creepypasta
#87358 to #87357 - Womens Study Major (09/15/2014) [-]
"dehumanizer"
*tips fedora
#87359 to #87358 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
"anon"
*shitposts
User avatar #87351 to #87341 - ribocoon (09/15/2014) [-]
1 universe won't last forever, not in the way this thing thinks it will
2 odds of a perfect reconstruction of your consciousness with no aid from another sentient being is beyond improbable. Entropy and shit m8
3 It won't even be you. Every moment you die. And afterwards you are reborn again. You die every single time a wave of electricity and neurotransmitters flash through your brain. But you are reborn again. Then die again. And so on. You are never the same person when you are reborn. You have a fraction of a second more memories or experiences.
Imagine it like this: You have a carbon copy twin. But you two wouldn't share a conscious experience. The same goes with this carbon twin in a future space. Plus the likelihood of a carbon copy of you being created by random means is already low, but for one to be created at the moment when you die is even lower.
User avatar #87343 to #87341 - whatley ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
No. This is flawed on many levels and I highly doubt that no peer reviews could find fault with it.

The universe is not going to last forever. From what we know it'll continually expand at an accelerating rate due to the the inverse square strength of gravitational attraction, atoms themselves will be ripped apart and the entire universe will approach absolute zero in temperature as there is a finite amount of energy but a size tending or equal to infinity.

Also, more simply, even if you were somehow reformed in empty space it wouldn't be you experiencing it, it's just a copy of you, so this hellish nightmare wouldn't occur.

Not strictly important here really, but it'd be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than a billion trillion the age of the universe until you did somehow reform exactly anyway.
#87342 to #87341 - teoragnar (09/14/2014) [-]
Well, that was a load of nothing.
User avatar #87337 - cleverguy (09/14/2014) [-]
lol
#87335 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
Nicki Minaj - Anaconda


no shit

music industry STAHP!

plz STAHP!
User avatar #87322 - priestofmagcargo (09/14/2014) [-]
Please consider letting magcargo's love flow through you
User avatar #87323 to #87322 - churchofmagcargo (09/14/2014) [-]
yes, be our religion board represenitive
User avatar #87434 to #87323 - synagogueofscyther (09/15/2014) [-]
Why would someone want to worship a slug when they could praise the BUG?
User avatar #87438 to #87434 - churchofmagcargo (09/15/2014) [-]
oh hai again syrian
User avatar #87450 to #87438 - synagogueofscyther (09/15/2014) [-]
Actually, I'm not Syrian.
Its obvious that I'm not him because I know how to form proper sentences.
#87459 to #87450 - syrianassassin (09/16/2014) [-]
he think i am you
#87535 to #87459 - Womens Study Major (09/16/2014) [-]
Yeah, he does.
But we both know that your just an infedel, right, Sir Ian?
User avatar #87325 to #87323 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
heresy

heresy everywhere
User avatar #87327 to #87325 - churchofmagcargo (09/14/2014) [-]
i know, all these non magcargoists about
#87321 - marinepenguin ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Found you Syrian
#87360 to #87321 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
what are the green/yellow/red parts supposed to be?
User avatar #87362 to #87360 - marinepenguin ONLINE (09/15/2014) [-]
As it turns to green and red it shows a higher density of people. So there are more people in the red areas while fewer in the green.
User avatar #87324 to #87321 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
nigga i dont live there
User avatar #87345 to #87324 - feelythefeel (09/15/2014) [-]
Apparently this map can be off by a centimeter to an inch.
User avatar #87352 to #87345 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
i noticed that
User avatar #87326 to #87324 - marinepenguin ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Thought you lived in Kuwait.
User avatar #87328 to #87326 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
nigga

that is not kuwait the green part is in KSA

kuwait is inside the circle in the northeast, no glowing there
User avatar #87329 to #87328 - marinepenguin ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
Kuwait is in the black circle I made, so it's close enough.
User avatar #87317 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
Blasphemy 101 (Reupload)
#87290 - Womens Study Major (09/14/2014) [-]
give me 420 raisins why I shouldn't smoke weed erre'day and not hail satin?
#87347 to #87346 - feelythefeel (09/15/2014) [-]
Just on the subject of shitty religious fanart.
#87300 to #87290 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
because you are stupid
#87279 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
now we wait for nigeltheoutlaw butthurt thumbing down everything
User avatar #87314 to #87279 - nigeltheoutlaw (09/14/2014) [-]
Not much point. I stopped coming here for the most part, it's a shitty board now. Congrats.
User avatar #87332 to #87314 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
it will not be better if it is run by money lenders and fat ass virgins basement dwellers
#87334 to #87333 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
the board is what i want now   
   
\very very balanced and less bullshit
the board is what i want now

\very very balanced and less bullshit
#87278 - syrianassassin (09/14/2014) [-]
i gotta admit. this board used to be atheist heavens, now its is only a nightmare for them .
#87273 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
**ribocoon rolled user admiralhowe **
#87287 to #87273 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
damn i wanted to flag it
User avatar #87270 - teoragnar (09/14/2014) [-]
Is abrahamic iconoclasm appropriate?
#87288 to #87270 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
eeh kinda just dont get too carried away
#87244 - Womens Study Major (09/13/2014) [-]
In other news drl is a whopping 2% more entertaining than syrian
User avatar #87257 to #87244 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
sweet
User avatar #87246 to #87244 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
i know anon senpai

i had fun allot today so i will let him have fun too

User avatar #87236 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
ok on a serious note

how do you feel about religion dictating morality

do you need religion to dictate morality
#87344 to #87236 - leightonsolomon ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
What marinepenguin said

And this guys an athiest, along with bill gates, warren buffet, etc
<--
User avatar #87274 to #87236 - cleverguy (09/14/2014) [-]
theres a field of study called ethics that exists as a subset of pure philosophy

the fact that it exists and works and is not based in religion shows that the answer is no
#87419 to #87274 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
>i already told you the objective standard it is tested against-the fact that all humans are on the same moral level.

a fact is something that is true

tl:dw, would rather go to sleep

User avatar #87420 to #87419 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
how am i supposed to get a point across if all you do is cover your ears and shout LALALA

like, i get that you mostly troll, but im trying to actually have a discussion this time,but all you do is throw around ad hominem, cite fallacies that im not using, and ignore what im saying while your butt buddy syrian keeps posting on my shit even though im not responding to him anymore
#87421 to #87420 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
All humans are not obviously on the same moral level and you are just using the bandwagon and false cause fallacies. Its funny you support israel but claim that im a troll. Anyway im gonna go to bed now, dont let the hamas bombs bite.
User avatar #87422 to #87421 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
i shoulda known there was no point in talking to you. you're not interested in discussion, you'll just contradict anything i say without reason and then make a wisecrack about my ethnicity

i wont respond to you anymore
#87462 to #87422 - dehumanizer (09/16/2014) [-]
Why did i even bother knowing you follow the talmud?
#87423 to #87422 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
>because you failed to debate
>you wont respond to him

stay jewish

you are an asshole cleverguy. make sure everyone knows that
User avatar #87259 to #87236 - marinepenguin ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
Morality is dictated purely by society. Religion is also heavily effected by society. So no.

Religion helped create the first recorded set of moral laws, but many of these laws have actually faded and we've picked and chosen which ones fit our current social perspective.
#87248 to #87236 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
It makes morality objective, and morality can not be subjective.
User avatar #87275 to #87248 - cleverguy (09/14/2014) [-]
you're right, but you don't need religion for objective morality
#87418 to #87275 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
>posting shit about sam harris
#87396 to #87275 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
I used logic and reaosn to justify stealing. Cant you see that logic has no morality of its own? However you do need morality to use logic, that is why you belive what you are saying is right. You belive it because you've acceted subjective morality but you can not claim objective and be an atheist.
User avatar #87397 to #87396 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
your logic was wrong because it was based on false premises. you just keep repeating yourself and hoping you'll be right the second time you say something for some reason
#87398 to #87397 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
How is it a false premise, what makes premise A right over premise B? Something based on popular conenus?
User avatar #87399 to #87398 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
again we're going around in circles. things can be objectively false. you ccannot say you must steal food to survive when that is not true
#87400 to #87399 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Black is not Red, that is objectivly true.

I need to aquire food to survive - objectively true.

A: I can steal to get food.
B: I can earn food through hard labor.

You could not provide a reason that is not a logical fallacy on why i should pick B over A.
User avatar #87401 to #87400 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
because you do not deserve things that other people own. i have already explained this twice
#87403 to #87401 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Appeal to Authority, Bandwagon, False cause and Anecdotal logical fallacies.
User avatar #87405 to #87403 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
just because you dont understand ethics doesnt mean im using fallacies

maybe you should research this some more

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics
#87408 to #87405 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. Logical fallacies are like tricks or illusions of thought, and they're often very sneakily used by politicians and the media to fool people. Don't be fooled! This website has been designed to help you identify and call out dodgy logic wherever it may raise its ugly, incoherent head.
#87407 to #87405 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
"Deontological ethics or deontology is the normative ethical position that judges the morality of an action based on the action's adherence to a rule or rules.[1] "

Popular concensus, AKA Bandwagon fallacy, aka appeal to authority fallacy.
User avatar #87409 to #87407 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
you really have no idea what you're talking about
#87410 to #87409 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Its the other way around.
User avatar #87411 to #87410 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
the rule or rules are objective concepts

they amount to treating everyone as though they are on the same moral level. aka treating people equally
#87412 to #87411 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
*facepalm*

con┬Ěcept (knspt)
n.
1. A general idea derived or inferred from specific instances or occurrences.
2. Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion. See Synonyms at idea.
3. A scheme; a plan: "began searching for an agency to handle a new restaurant concept" (ADWEEK).

Treating people equaliy is just a concept, an idea nothing more righteous than the idea to defile others for personal gain. For exaple - Loaning, something the jews love to do. Are you going to say now that its an okay thing?
User avatar #87413 to #87412 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
each human is a human, right? so any one human cannot be on a greater moral level than another because every human is a human. so any action must consider whether or not you are treating humans as being on the same moral level or else it is not moral.

does that make more sense to you? im not sure how much more i can simplify it
#87414 to #87413 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
You are assuming that humans have intrinsic objective value.But of course with no transcendent objective lawgiver whom has the authority to assign such value, all you are then is just a sack of self-recognizing meat.
Time + Chance + Matter. That is all. Nothing more. There is and would not be any objective morality.

Where does the "duty" come from if not subjectivity?
User avatar #87415 to #87414 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
and we're back to this

the ability to reason gives us the ability to make moral decisions giving us moral value

if your only counter argument is that humans are not moral beings if you dont believe in god then there is no point in talking to you
#87416 to #87415 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Logic, reason and rationality are tools, and nothing more. They are a means of processing information in a structural manner to reach a logical outworking,    
or more precisely put, they are a though experiment allowing one to reach a conclusion.   
They have no inherent morality. You can use reason, logic and common sense to carry out the most heinous acts imaginable, as well as the most charitable ones.   
Reason, rationality and logic are only beneficial when used in accordance to a MORAL STANDARD. Since they are not inherently moral, they are only beneficial    
when you attempt to use them to moral ends. These moral ends were not a product of the logic, but rather logic was used in conjunction with the moral standard to    
produce the desired result.   
Morality restrains logic, not the other way around.   
   
I will make it simple.    
You are a byproduct of random chance and chemistry.   
Please tell me how this gives you intrinsic worth, according to an ethical standard.   
Please describe it to me, scientifically, avoiding the logical pitfalls I described above.   
   
Let us recap:   
&gt;Morals are mostly self explanitry and plenty of animals stick to some of ours without even knowing it.   
Appeal to herd mentality and instinct developed via natural selection. Logical fallacy. Does not prove an objective morality.   
   
&gt;We find them appealing because they remove things/acts that we would not wish upon ourselves so as communities.... just as we have done with actual laws.    
Appeal to subjective agreement upon common consensus. Logical fallacy. Does not prove an objective morality.   
   
&gt;We see it as evil to kill another because we all fear death.   
Common consensus fallacy.   
   
&gt;It's wrong to steal because nobody would want to be stolen from.   
Common consensus fallacy.
Logic, reason and rationality are tools, and nothing more. They are a means of processing information in a structural manner to reach a logical outworking,
or more precisely put, they are a though experiment allowing one to reach a conclusion.
They have no inherent morality. You can use reason, logic and common sense to carry out the most heinous acts imaginable, as well as the most charitable ones.
Reason, rationality and logic are only beneficial when used in accordance to a MORAL STANDARD. Since they are not inherently moral, they are only beneficial
when you attempt to use them to moral ends. These moral ends were not a product of the logic, but rather logic was used in conjunction with the moral standard to
produce the desired result.
Morality restrains logic, not the other way around.

I will make it simple.
You are a byproduct of random chance and chemistry.
Please tell me how this gives you intrinsic worth, according to an ethical standard.
Please describe it to me, scientifically, avoiding the logical pitfalls I described above.

Let us recap:
>Morals are mostly self explanitry and plenty of animals stick to some of ours without even knowing it.
Appeal to herd mentality and instinct developed via natural selection. Logical fallacy. Does not prove an objective morality.

>We find them appealing because they remove things/acts that we would not wish upon ourselves so as communities.... just as we have done with actual laws.
Appeal to subjective agreement upon common consensus. Logical fallacy. Does not prove an objective morality.

>We see it as evil to kill another because we all fear death.
Common consensus fallacy.

>It's wrong to steal because nobody would want to be stolen from.
Common consensus fallacy.
User avatar #87417 to #87416 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
i already told you the objective standard it is tested against-the fact that all humans are on the same moral level.

you're just ignoring what im saying

www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right?language=en

watch this pls
User avatar #87404 to #87403 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
logical fallacies from jews are normal

this is why he is the most retarded person
#87406 to #87404 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
I wish i could find that quote from Mein Kempf about debating with jews.
#87402 to #87401 - syrianassassin (09/15/2014) [-]
you are more retarded and bigot than anyone i have ever seen in this board   
   
like the jews say: i will cheat, lie and jew
you are more retarded and bigot than anyone i have ever seen in this board

like the jews say: i will cheat, lie and jew
#87378 to #87275 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Its okay to steal because im hungry.

Its okay to kill this grandma because there is nothing to make things right or wrong.

See my point? Logic at work. You cant create objective morality.
User avatar #87379 to #87378 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
but your reasoning is not sound

why does you being hungry make you deserve to steal?

why does that grandma not deserve life and why do you deserve to take it away?
#87380 to #87379 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
What makes reasoning sound and not sound?

Becasue im hungry.

Because why not?
User avatar #87381 to #87380 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
the reasoning is not sound if the conclusion does not follow logically from the premises

im hungry-->i can steal with impunity

doesnt make sense
#87382 to #87381 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
i need to eat to survive > i will die if i do not eat > i will steal to survive > it is okay to steal

these people are enemies of the state > the state is everything for us and they are trying to destroy it > It is okay to destroy them so that they dont destroy me > off to gulag with you

there
User avatar #87383 to #87382 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
"i will steal to survive" is not necessary, so this train of logic is not valid

the second one is just the logic of someone who's been brainwashed so it's all just false
#87384 to #87383 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
"i will steal to survive" is not necessary, so this train of logic is not valid

the second one is just the logic of someone who's been brainwashed so it's all just false

Why what makes it wrong? What value do you have to say weather X is right or wrong?
User avatar #87385 to #87384 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
i just showed you why the reasoning was wrong, im not sure why you're asking that question. the fact that the reasoning is based on premises that are objectively false makes the moral conclusions objectively false. its simple
#87386 to #87385 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Again you are coping out, there is no such thing as objectivly false premise.
User avatar #87387 to #87386 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
implying you need to steal to survive is not true

and of course there are premises that are objectively false, you're the one copping out using that as your argument
#87388 to #87387 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
>implying i need to buy food to survive

what makes it objectivly wrong? Why should i buy food instead of stealing it?
User avatar #87389 to #87388 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
because then you're not taking someone else's belongings.

you being hungry doesn't make you deserve someone else's belongings more than they do
#87390 to #87389 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Can you give a good reason why? You've been taught by the 10th commandments that stealing is wrong but lets disregard all of that for a moment and think of a univurce without a divine presence. Why should it be wrong to steal, why should i pay when i can steal to have the food and the money. It doesent make it right but it doesent make it wrong.
User avatar #87391 to #87390 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
i just told you a good reason why. because of the concepts of ownership and justice.

ill repeat: you being hungry doesn't make you deserve someone else's belongings more than they do
#87392 to #87391 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Concepts of ownership and justice are not objective thing.
I am following the concept of self survival.

I will repeat, you cant use subjectives to create objectives.
User avatar #87393 to #87392 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
how are they not objective?
#87394 to #87393 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Because they are manmade and based on popular concensus. Its called the false cause fallacy.
User avatar #87395 to #87394 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
they are based on logic and reason.
#87281 to #87275 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
then what gives you value to say whats wrong and whats right if youre just a peace of meat
User avatar #87336 to #87281 - cleverguy (09/14/2014) [-]
the ability to reason
#87338 to #87336 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Reason and Logic are deduction tools. They are neutral in their nature, i could perform great evils and use reason and logic to justify it.
User avatar #87340 to #87338 - cleverguy (09/14/2014) [-]
not if you were reasoning correctly

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics
#87356 to #87340 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
You still dont get it do you? Milions of people were killed in the soviet gulag because of this reasoning, and there is no way to convince them they were wrong.
User avatar #87364 to #87356 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
thats really not at all why they were killed. people were killed in the gulags to preserve a totalitarian government and its power, there was nothing moral being considered
#87365 to #87364 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
It was moraly ok for the communists.
User avatar #87367 to #87365 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
because their reasoning was wrong

stalin was basically insane
#87368 to #87367 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
without objective morality nothing can be wrong, nothing can be right
User avatar #87369 to #87368 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
i already agreed that there is objective morality, so that statement doesnt contradict what i said
#87370 to #87369 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
How can there be an objective morality without God?
User avatar #87371 to #87370 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
we're going in circles. i've already answered this question. morality is based on logical reasoning
#87372 to #87371 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
Logic and reason are really just neutral tools of deductions, not tools for defining morality. They can be applied according to a moral code, but neither of them carries a moral
code. Any evil act can be reasoned in a rational manner using logic. Try again.
User avatar #87373 to #87372 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
the moral code is deontological ethics. i linked you to the wikipedia page. basically you have to use logic and reason to determine if an action taken is just and if it what is deserved
#87374 to #87373 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
That does not make it objective. What reason and logic you use will be diffrent to what reason and logic someone else uses.
User avatar #87375 to #87374 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
not if you're doing it correctly
#87376 to #87375 - dehumanizer (09/15/2014) [-]
And how can you tell what's correct and not?
And how can you tell what's correct and not?
User avatar #87377 to #87376 - cleverguy (09/15/2014) [-]
checking if the logic is valid and sound

if the lines are THAT blurred where you can get two contradicting outcomes with sound and valid reasoning, then the ethical theory needs to be revised, but there should be only one logical path that is sound and valid
User avatar #87243 to #87236 - feelythefeel (09/13/2014) [-]
I'd assume the fact that I'm an atheist and I haven't killed anybody yet says something.
#87249 to #87243 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
>implying you werent raised in a society found on religion
>implynig your morals arent just copy pasted from your inviorment
>implying you would still think the same if you lived a thousaind years ago in Australia
User avatar #87252 to #87249 - feelythefeel (09/13/2014) [-]
1.) Actually, I'm in Canada. Like America, it was founded a secular nation.
2.) That's the thing about living logically and critically like I try to, your environment is only where you start with stuff like that. I've thought about it and I shift my opinions as new information is made available.
3.) Of course not. That's like saying Christianity is shit because you wouldn't be one a millennium ago.
#87254 to #87252 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
>implying secular nation = nation without religion, yeah no it doesent work the way you want
>2030 incest and pedofilia become legal
>it prooves subjective morality is shit because what you belive is right and wrong
User avatar #87258 to #87254 - feelythefeel (09/13/2014) [-]
1.) Yes, because a country having religion in it automatically means it was founded on religion. Modern day theocracy, Canada is.
2.) 2013 lynching and slavery become legal
3.) "implying you would still think the same if you lived a thousaind years ago in Australia" -you

Isn't that an argument for subjective morality?
#87282 to #87258 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
1) the people are allowed to include their culture and religion into the goverment
2)racewar now?
3)It prooves that if religion becomes obsolete atheist morality will change every 50 years because might makes right.
User avatar #87284 to #87282 - feelythefeel (09/14/2014) [-]
1.) No they aren't. It's called separation of church and state.
2.) I'm >implying that your statement there was arbitrary and meaningless.
3.) That's the point of an atheist subjective morality, it's flexible. If it turns out that the toys are alive or some shit, we'll be the first ones to argue for their basic rights. It has nothing to do with might, though. It's the opposite really.
User avatar #87253 to #87252 - feelythefeel (09/13/2014) [-]
A Christian, that is.
User avatar #87245 to #87243 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
as a atheist i believe that religion was the starting point of morality but as society evolved it got pushed to the side for a new system where instead of the churches law being imposed we impose our own and as a society we agree to certain rules such as do not kill or steal for the betterment of our society
#87250 to #87245 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
A bunch of people agreeing on something doesent make it moraly right.
User avatar #87251 to #87250 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
yes and thats how the subject of morality changes such as it was morally wrong for men to marry men but now society has deemed it ok making it morally justified
#87255 to #87251 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
>moraly justified

I have some bad news for you.
User avatar #87280 to #87255 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
Not saying we should legalize bestiality
But doesn't anyone else fin it weird that no one blinks an eye when you murder an animal
But have sex with it and everyone gets upset
#87283 to #87280 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Murdering animals is somewhat justified because you need food to survive, having sex, especialiy with animals is obviously wrong.
User avatar #87306 to #87283 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
Vegans do alright
#87307 to #87306 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Yes because everyone can go vegan.
User avatar #87308 to #87307 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
Can't they?
Any since when is having sex, especially with animals obviously wrong?
Were's your reason?
#87312 to #87308 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
There is not enough vegetables for everyone. Also using that logic what gives you right to kill and eat plants? They are living too!

Nah you're right, beastiality necrophilia and pedophilia = nothing wrong at all. :^)
User avatar #87313 to #87312 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
Well you said it yourself we need yo kill to survive
But doesn't killing something lacking a central nervous system and therefor incapable of feeling pain seem like a better than offing poor Betsy?
We waste a lot of hippie food feeding it to animals who burn it off as heat before they grow and we can eat them. So even if there isn't enough food, it would still be better than what we're doing now.
But we're not talking about hippies

One could make a case against necrophilia and pedophilia because they violate the rights of those who either don't give consent, or are incapable of giving consent.
But animals can give consent to a certain degree I suppose. The point I'm trying to make is why is sex worse than murder? With an animal free to go as they please, it would in a sense be a consensual act. I'm trying to do a serious thought exercise here. What would happen if bestiality were legalized? (and no slippery slope BS please)
#87315 to #87313 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Hippies eat dry grass now?

How can animals give concent now, is that how degenerate you are? If zoophilia gets legalised do you think all of the sex will be consentual? Can a cow file a rape charge in the police.

Fucking animals is frawned upon because of religious morality.
If you disregard religious morality then fucking animals is not wrong nor is it right, so i can still say its a bad thing because everything becomes subjective.


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User avatar #87316 to #87315 - ribocoon (09/14/2014) [-]
The diet most cows eat in the US today is comprised primarily of corn to fatten them up faster than feeding them dry grass
No I don't think all animal sex will become consensual. No more than it is today. But I do't see any reason why animal rape would increase.
Why is religious morality better than subjective morality again?
Because syrian land is soooo much better filthy secular freedom
#87318 to #87316 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Well shhiiiit thats, disregarding rights for an easy proffit, guess thats just capitalism for you. And they wonder why cancer is on the rise...

You think someone who thinks fucking an animal would care if the animal had a "headcahe"?

Because subjective morality is an oximoron, because 500 people say X is bad doesent make it so.

Whats wrong with Syria now? Are you a member of ISIS?
User avatar #87256 to #87255 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
there is no 1 definition for morality
in fact what is classified as morally right depends on the society and culture
for instance men kissing men was as shocking as that 50 years ago
also interracial marriage was shocking to that extent
however society outlook on these things changed making them morally justified
the same with slavery
at 1 point it was considered moral to own slaves however now as a society we have collectively agreed that it is morally wrong
#87285 to #87256 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
You just proved my point how popular consencus does not make something right, thats not real morality.
User avatar #87293 to #87285 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
morality is subjective
for instance many things we do today we consider moral may be considered horrable in the future
#87295 to #87293 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
But then how can you make differance between good and bad? Right or wrong? Dont bullshit me with reason and logic because those are tools of deduction, they cant be used to define morality.
User avatar #87296 to #87295 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
only society can define right and wrong

at one point in jewish society stoning someone to death was considered ok now
in the civilized west it is considered horrible because society deemed it as such
i got the perfect example killing someone for being gay is considered morally wrong here in the western world
however it is considered morally right in the middle east
this is because our society has decided that it serves no benefit to murder gay ppl
thus changing the morality of the situation
#87297 to #87296 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
you dont seem to understand how morality works at all
User avatar #87298 to #87297 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
neither do you sir

morality changes over time causing things that where wrong to become right
this we must agree upon
however what we dont agree on is where morality comes from
religion or society
#87299 to #87298 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
society defined the actions of Genghis Khan, Hitler and Stalin as right, cant you see it without a devine source, we as mere human peaces of meat have no authority
User avatar #87301 to #87299 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
and in those societies morality was defined differently

thank you for proving my point that different societies have different forms of morality
#87302 to #87301 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
And your society's actions are right how exactly?
User avatar #87303 to #87302 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
they are right to my society however to your society they might seem wrong

because culture and society in itself dictates morality

so you may look at Khan and say how morally wrong he was but he may look at you and say the same thing

because culture dictates morality along with society
#87304 to #87303 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Gee its almost as if culture was dictated by religion.
User avatar #87305 to #87304 - drl ONLINE (09/14/2014) [-]
it is true it use to be but now the modern culture is dictated by our taste in music and film
along with books and yes even a small part of religion
however these factors have a part in society which creates morality

if we followed religions morality
woman would not be allowed to cut there hair Corinthians 11:6
gays would be stoned Lev. 20:13
we would not be able to wear clothes of 2 separate materials Leviticus 19:19
having slaves is ok Leviticus 25:44-46

however society stepped in and says that these things do not have to be inforced
you can wear jeans
gay people wont die
you can cut your hair
slavery is not ok
#87311 to #87305 - dehumanizer (09/14/2014) [-]
Corinthains 11:6 is not about that you are misinterpeting it wrong.

Leviticus and all of the other old testemony laws are abolished by Christ so they dont stand anymore.

Without religion you cant do wrong you cant do right, its nothing because someone a hundred years later will tell you that X is bad becasue of Y. And you will follow it like the good goyim you are.
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User avatar #87238 to #87237 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
you know a strong argument can be made that religion was the starting factor in morality
User avatar #87241 to #87238 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
oh wait i fucked up something

i will leave the discussion for others
User avatar #87242 to #87241 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
????
User avatar #87214 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
and then god said onto adam
a mans penis shall not have a length bigger then 3 inches but shall have the girth of 4 fists
User avatar #87269 to #87214 - teoragnar (09/13/2014) [-]
You're just compensating for your small dick.
User avatar #87217 to #87215 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
no its a hook
the bait is a crusty old cheese sandwich
User avatar #87222 to #87220 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
yes bby
#87224 to #87222 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
to troll me you will need lifetime
User avatar #87226 to #87224 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
who says im trying to troll you
#87228 to #87226 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
i see your shit in brony
User avatar #87230 to #87228 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
thank you
i see you also in brony

wanna be best friends
User avatar #87160 - cleverguy (09/13/2014) [-]
regarding religious extremism:

how can you say who is interpreting the religion incorrectly?
User avatar #87194 to #87160 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
easy
religion is just fairy tails
User avatar #87197 to #87196 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
no i think it was just terrible :3
User avatar #87203 to #87199 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
i do love cock
User avatar #87205 to #87203 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
then /gay/ is better place
User avatar #87206 to #87205 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
will u be there sexy xoxo
User avatar #87208 to #87206 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
when you loss some weight
User avatar #87211 to #87208 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
oh but bby i need my weight to crush you wile my meaty cheese covered cock is inside you
pass the butter this guys gonna get fucked up the ass
#87213 to #87211 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
loss weight.

i dont think anyone would fuck you.

except that guy who looks like your brother.
#87216 to #87213 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
oh bby i love it when you talk dirty to me
#87218 to #87216 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
yeah. like your face in the cam i saw. looks like someone cleaned the street with your face
User avatar #87219 to #87218 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
oh yeah keep talking im about to climax
User avatar #87221 to #87219 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
good. now go clean it
User avatar #87223 to #87221 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
im cumming
User avatar #87225 to #87223 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
gg no re
User avatar #87227 to #87225 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
tldr
User avatar #87231 to #87229 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
k
#87181 to #87160 - dehumanizer (09/13/2014) [-]
Zionists.
User avatar #87174 to #87160 - syrianassassin (09/13/2014) [-]
no one talk to him it will be a waste of time

at the end the logic of his will come to you as:

if you disagree with me you are a troll and anti Semitic
User avatar #87200 to #87174 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
let the man say his piece
#87204 to #87202 - drl ONLINE (09/13/2014) [-]
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