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User avatar #42 - ghostrollerelite (12/30/2012) [-]
it a video of the best prison in the world
#36 - mickeyfinder (12/30/2012) [-]
pops into my mind when anyone talks about a foreign prison
User avatar #34 - cornrun (12/30/2012) [-]
What some people fail to understand is that isolating prisoners is as much for their protection as it is for others.
#30 - pinguuu (12/30/2012) [-]
They are like these because the prision in the Noridc countries are more like a rehab center than a prision. The worst thing is that I learned that they have a Union here in Sweden, that they can complain to if they feel like the guards are too hard on them.
User avatar #28 - Shiny ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
You know what's even more awesome? The repeat offense rate in nations with prisons like these are very low....meanwhile, American prisons are disgusting, terrifying hellholes that turn light offenders into hardened criminals.

we need to crack down on crime guise
#64 to #28 - thenickel (12/30/2012) [-]
Many things wrong with this:

1. Correlation does not imply causation. To spell that out some more, just because a country has a more lenient prison system and has a lower repeat crime rate does not mean that the prison system causes a low repeat crime rate.

2. Not all American prisons are not disgusting terrifying hellholes. Max security prisons full of murderers and rapists are disgusting terrifying hellholes, but that encompasses a very low percentage of overall inmates.

3. Justice isn't all about correcting for the better society, it is also partially about giving the victim a feeling of fairness and security.

4. Your comment was irrelevant to the post and you are just saying this to sound smart and start a ********* (congrats you have succeeded).

5. The US and Finland have very different cultures and ways of living. Just because it works for one country does not mean it will work for another.
User avatar #69 to #64 - Shiny ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
1. That doesn't mean the correlation between two logically related things does not exist. Questions are made to be asked.

2. The particularly awful offenders like that are exactly the kind of person that is locked up in a prison like in OP, though. On top of the fact that many Americans get sent to the same ass-rape prison as killers and sexual criminals for far lighter actions.

3. What, so that justifies inhumane conditions that breeds hardened outlaws? The point of incarceration is to rehabilitate. To let the offender realize what he did was wrong, learn from his experience and pay a debt to society in the form of a chunk of his time on our mortal plane, not as a substitute for psychiatry.

4. ********* ? Every reply I've received so far is pretty well thought out. Sorry to get your panties in a bunch, whiny.

5. I agree. Which is why I can only conclude that American culture sucks.
#72 to #69 - bigrog (12/30/2012) [-]
The point of prison is not to rehabilitate, it is to punish. Many seriel killer could be fixed with a few years in a psych ward though that wouldn't be punishment now would it? Prison aren't meant to give them time to think, they are meant to break them and put the fear of prison in them so that fear will stop them from committing crimes again. And thenickel has a point, the victim or family of the victim deserves to see justice carried out. And by the way, there are many excellent prisons in america, some of the minimum security prisons are about the same as a country club.
User avatar #78 to #72 - Shiny ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
Every possible statistic proves your point to be ******** . You can't just use the government to beat people you don't like into a corner to the point of docility. All harsh prison treatment does is harden inmates into ruthless career criminals, thus breeding generations of one-time offenders into waves of new outlaws raising hell on the streets; this leads to harsher punishments, and the cycle continues in a downward spiral to the point where maximum security prisons are basically Soviet Gulags.

We shouldn't completely go against what is better for the sake of our nation just to make people feel better. Do we really want to live in a society where we're obsessed with petty revenge? Do you think America is the lawsuit capital of the world for nothing?
#126 to #78 - bigrog (12/30/2012) [-]
You know its easy for you to wave you're finger and condescend but something tells me you wouldn't be so quick to forgive an forget if you were the victim. Can you honestly say you wouldnt want someone to pay if they killed or raped someone you care about. And who gives a **** if they come out hardened criminials if they were already thugs, gangsters, pedofiles, killers, and rapist. Maximum security prisons are meant to be hell holes. And its not the prisons fault their hellholes. If you shove a few thousand dangerous convicts into a building things are going to go to **** . And prisons arent even that bad. In alot of poorer areas people are doing things to be purposely be sent to prison, they get cable tv, a gym, library, free food, and healthcare.
User avatar #79 to #78 - toosexyforyou (12/30/2012) [-]
let's see some statistics
User avatar #83 to #82 - toosexyforyou (12/30/2012) [-]
Oh boy... yeah you must be 12 years old. Don't reply to this.
User avatar #85 to #83 - Shiny ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
Ergo, you have no argument. Have a nice evening!
#52 to #28 - rancortwat (12/30/2012) [-]
American prisons aren't disgusting... they're actually very clean and give many freedoms to prisoners. You don't get a tv in your room though.. You know what you can have though? BOOKS. LOTS AND LOTS OF BOOKS. And people say Americans are dumb.
User avatar #104 to #52 - whtkid (12/30/2012) [-]
The shortage of Harry Potter books hit the prisions hard. They had to find something else to read, something there was plenty of and that no one really could give to ***** about as a story.

And that's how Twilight got popular.
User avatar #73 to #52 - illegalartist (12/30/2012) [-]
what the **** have you been watching
#138 to #73 - rancortwat (01/01/2013) [-]
Life? My stepdad spent 2 years in prison for being a dumbass. Also it's not news that prisons normally have entire libraries. At least in America. It's amazing what you can learn when you get your head out of your ass and actually learn about the country you criticize.
User avatar #80 to #73 - toosexyforyou (12/30/2012) [-]
I was watching a movie earlier today and maybe this guy saw it too. It was about a man who was falsely put in prison and they had a guy come around passing out books. Morgan Freeman was narrating it.
User avatar #63 to #52 - thelastamerican ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
With this kind of argument I can't understand why anyone would think Americans are dumb.
User avatar #20 - mikeliterous (12/30/2012) [-]
looks like a college dorm
#61 to #20 - notgod (12/30/2012) [-]
Not enough beer and pizza
User avatar #22 to #20 - mkeller (12/30/2012) [-]
My dorm didn't look half as nice as this.
#16 - nexdemise (12/30/2012) [-]
The moment you realize the only way to have a decent life is to murder someone in Finland.
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User avatar #13 - Soilwork ONLINE (12/29/2012) [-]
instead of being raped in the ass, they have pillow fights
#54 to #13 - derakus (12/30/2012) [-]
This image has expired
either way pillows are involved
User avatar #37 to #13 - prepareuranas (12/30/2012) [-]
im not sure if thats gayer than dropping the soap
#24 to #13 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
Followed by consensual gay sex.
#10 - MrTwinkles ONLINE (12/29/2012) [-]
Whats on the screen there. Kind of looks like dwarf fortress
User avatar #11 to #10 - dumdumduu (12/29/2012) [-]
That would be the Text-TV.
#12 to #11 - MrTwinkles ONLINE (12/29/2012) [-]
I had no idea. Does it have its own special channels or is it like subtitles and such?
User avatar #14 to #12 - dumdumduu (12/29/2012) [-]
All the channels have their own Text-TV (At least the main channels in Finland do.)

They contain news, program information, sports updates, date-site sort of things etc etc...

Also at least 2 channels has support for subtitles from Text-TV for the hearing impaired.

I personally haven't used Text-TV much since 2004 or so, but it was rather good for news and such before the internet became really popular.
User avatar #6 - bakinboy (12/29/2012) [-]
its proven that counseling and therapy are more effective at lowering crime rates than prison is
#71 to #6 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
that apllies for 1st world countries... we in the 3rd world have overpopulation in prision so we cant have that kind of luxury, in the other side we cant have capital punishment because aparently the things that rape, kill, ransome alredy poor people, kidnap without returning the hostage, are humans and have rights, so we can kill that things... tl;dr not the best option in poor countries
User avatar #130 to #71 - bakinboy (12/30/2012) [-]
It's also cheaper than sending someone to prison
User avatar #38 to #6 - lemurdecatta (12/30/2012) [-]
Can't do this in America.
Do you know how much havoc this would cause?

People are already pissed off prisoners get health care but they don't.
User avatar #35 to #6 - haydn (12/30/2012) [-]
True, however, do you feel people regardless of this would still rather "punishment"? Personally if somebody murdered somebody close to me, or anybody in that case, I would wish them pain and suffering. Justice.
User avatar #46 to #35 - andalitemadness (12/30/2012) [-]
Yes, that's very well, but the fact is still that counseling is more effective. Do you know how many repeat offenders there are in ****** prison systems? Even for minor crimes, they often go on out and perform big crimes.
#51 to #46 - gonz (12/30/2012) [-]
the fact remains that, there are some people that aren't crazy, but just bad. like that austrian man, Josef fritzl. that's ****** up. he does not deserve to breath my air. he is essentially stealing it. that is by far more than, 'mental problems'. I don't want him living the rest of his life in some comfy therapy center for the rest of his life. I want him dead, or being ass-raped for the rest of his life by a black man name big tony.
User avatar #48 to #46 - haydn (12/30/2012) [-]
Thumbed down for my opinion, oh FJ! And yeah I completely agree mate, and understand that the more effective should be the one being used. But what I'm also saying is that for some people, they need that sense of justice. That the person who took their child's life or whatever, has suffered for what they have done. I think it's a very tricky one tbh.
#55 to #48 - wishanonscouldpost (12/30/2012) [-]
Point is that it is better to treat criminals good and have less criminals due to having less repeat offenders, then treating criminals bad and having more repeat offenders due to it.

If someone murdered someone close to you, would you really rather have them punished, or have them rehabilitated so they don't murder anyone else?

The people who are naturally bad simply have a serious mental illness. Those people should be kept locked up forever, but still shouldn't be treated inhumanly.
User avatar #56 to #55 - haydn (12/30/2012) [-]
Like I said it's a very difficult one, and until you're in the situation you couldn't really say I guess. I can imagine being so filled with anger and hate all I would want is suffering for that person. Which, is probably why we still have the way.
#57 to #56 - wishanonscouldpost (12/30/2012) [-]
Still you shouldn't base a legal system on raw emotion. Thinking logically about what will end up hurting the least amount of people is the best way to solve crime.
User avatar #58 to #57 - haydn (12/30/2012) [-]
I'm not disagreeing with you, I do agree with you, but I'm just speaking on behalf of how most people see it. To me, I just think if you take a life, you don't deserve to enjoy yours. Locked up forever. Everything else, rehabilitate. (Except rape, punish, then rehab.)
#60 to #58 - wishanonscouldpost (12/30/2012) [-]
Well that is how most people view it, in the US anyways.

People should also realize that crimes always happen for a reason, even if its a bad reason. You might murder someone for something that could even be considered as a valid reason.

What if you hear your friend say something about plotting to blow up a building? You see he is actually planning on doing it within hours, and he says he has explosives somewhere but won't tell you where. He even shows you his plan and tries to get you to support him. Calling the police might take a while. Killing him to stop him from doing anything is still a crime. That doesn't mean you are a bad person for doing it though.

Another reason is murdering someone out of rage, like seeing your wife cheating. That is due a burst of emotion, and you will likely feel horrible about it later. That also doesn't make you a bad person.

Or one of the most used examples is stealing bread to feed yourself or your family.

Breaking a law, even in cases of murder, doesn't necessarily mean you are a bad person

In cases of rape, which is probably one of the only crimes that never have a valid reason, you can simply castrate the person who is convicted after overwhelming evidence, then rehabilitate them. That would make it impossible for them to be a repeat offender.

Good people can still commit crimes, and that is one of the big things people forget.
#29 to #6 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
I'm interested. Show me the proof
User avatar #31 to #29 - akg **User deleted account** (12/30/2012) [-] 17
You need to login to view this link work.html ld-steady.htm
#105 to #31 - goodpsize (12/30/2012) [-]
Yes prisoners will have a bigger chance of making crimes after they get out than those in therapy, but while they're in they can't really do any harm. I agree that we should help criminals and not ruin their life, but I don't think we can just put them all in therapy.

I mean prison is pretty smart for the rest of the society.
User avatar #26 to #6 - jjgf (12/30/2012) [-]
User avatar #5 - Biebz (12/29/2012) [-]
To me, prisons should not be like this. They should be something that people are afraid to go to, like the old French prison system. You were miserable in a place like that, but here, what is there to be afraid of? Punishment should be something to be afraid of.. I dont believe in "rehabilitating" criminals.
User avatar #27 to #5 - gammajk ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
You might not believe in rehabilitating criminals but it's KIND of been proven to be WAY more effective at preventing second offences.
You can say "I don't believe the sky is blue" all you want but that doesn't change the fact that the sky is ******* blue.
User avatar #8 to #5 - Shramin (12/29/2012) [-]
The old miserable prisons were refilled by the same people because people aren't scared so much as just in distaste, they hate the place and in context hate the people in charge.

Prisons that teach "criminals" how to be people and fit into society do not create any form of hatred towards people in charge or police of any form. If you don't hate police or people in charge you are more likely to work and do your best because you don't maintain the mindset that "everyone is corrupt" and "the police hates anyone not police"

There is psychological benefits to those prisons and that's why they are so common in the Nordic countries.

Look up Norway's prison system and then tell me it doesn't work.
User avatar #19 to #8 - Biebz (12/30/2012) [-]
I'm not into that humanitarian ******** . I say if they did something wrong, they should be punished for it. Not "rehabilitated." Thanks for the info though anyways Florence Nightingale
User avatar #43 to #19 - thatevanguy (12/30/2012) [-]
You're a ******* dumbass.

I think that about sums it up nicely.
#75 to #43 - bigrog (12/30/2012) [-]
You do know that just saying "you're a giant dumbass" without any argument really shoots all you're credibility and leaves you the one looking like a dumbass. Just saying
User avatar #134 to #75 - thatevanguy (12/31/2012) [-]
I'm not the one with -14 thumbs. Only one, which may or may not be from you.

#135 to #134 - bigrog (12/31/2012) [-]
Im not saying he's right, i'm just saying that what you are doing is defiantly wrong, and no it was not me.
User avatar #137 to #135 - defiantly (12/31/2012) [-]
You probably meant to use "definitely".
User avatar #136 to #135 - thatevanguy (12/31/2012) [-]
In your opinion.
#21 to #19 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
Why? Punishing them isn't going to benefit anyone. Sure, you could beat your chest and shout justice, but really that's as far as it goes, because once that prisoner's punishment is served it's not going to sway him from doing it again, especially in first timers.
For example, smartjusticealliance . org/ 2012 /09/07/study-low-level-felons-often-are-repeat-offenders / shows that 'punishing' is often ineffective on first time offenders. In countries such as the one shown in the OP, i.e Norway, repeat offender rates are much low - the lowest, in fact.
dailymail . co . uk/ home/ moslive /article-1384308/Norways-controversial-cushy-prison-experiment--catch-UK.html
This has multiple benefits. If you can rehabilitate someone to live in public without committing crimes, you're adding to the economy, you're giving someone a second chance at life, because now they know they messed up and how to avoid doing it again, and your lowering the crime rates by avoiding repeat offending.

Fact is, harsh prison systems don't work.
User avatar #7 to #5 - grahamernazi (12/29/2012) [-]
I agree. It's a good idea, but it wouldn't work in America anyways. People would be more prone to doing petty crimes just so they can have free room and board.
User avatar #4 - omenaaa (12/29/2012) [-]
Theres an "open prison" sentence in Finland. You can go to work and see friends, but you have to come sleep at the prison every day.
User avatar #2 - rbrim (12/29/2012) [-]
America has prisons similar to that. They're called "low-security" prisons and are reserved for people who have committed major crimes but they aren't considered too heinous, like money laundering or embezzling and stuff like that.
User avatar #45 to #2 - pokemonstheshiz ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
I don't think they have them in most places though
at least not in my area
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