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#539 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
yhhh hurrr dur fck de esteblishmunt!1
User avatar #538 - soggytomatoe (12/30/2012) [-]
19 year old in military-"I will use this rifle only in the time of life and death. I will use this not to protect myself, but to protect my country. I will fight and die with this rifle in my hands."

19 year old in New York-"HURR DURR 420 BLAZE IT PHAGGOT WE NEEDS THE GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES **** DA POLICE THERE A BUNCH OF PIGS #SWAG

just sayin...
User avatar #551 to #538 - ButtonFly (12/30/2012) [-]
Damn... is that really our stereotype now? I liked it so much better when everyone thought we were rude, mean, conceited snobs.
I think we still retain that stereotype for the most part. It's a good one to have.
My family and I had lived in New York all our lives and my little brother, after working many years with the police (after school program called the "Explorers"), joined the military when he was seventeen.
I'm very proud of him and he never once took advantage of or played with firearms, that's all I'm saying.
User avatar #579 to #551 - philliyoMLB (12/30/2012) [-]
I picture New Yorkers more as people who try to polish a turd, like, I think New York is a ****** place but everyone from New York tries to glorifie it.
User avatar #601 to #579 - ButtonFly (12/30/2012) [-]
I suppose that makes sense but to be quite honest I can't imagine living anywhere else.
It happens all the time. At one point or another New Yorkers want to get out and explore either the rest of the country or the rest of the world, depending on their financial situation or whatever. They're always talking about how terrible a place New York is. They almost always come back in the end though, claiming that they never once found a place as wonderful as this city.
I hold a similar perspective, I went out for a little while but came back knowing that I can't imagine myself in living in any other place.
It's not for everyone and there are certainly downsides to living here but I like it nonetheless.
#557 to #551 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
Your brother never took advantage of firearms because he has proper training and discipline.
Any other kid would probably just take the gun out to show off and would probably cause an accident.
User avatar #565 to #557 - ButtonFly (12/30/2012) [-]
I know, I'm simply stating that we're not all like that.
Any other kid in any other state would misbehave with a gun if they don't know how to properly use it, it doesn't matter.
User avatar #535 - neoexdeath (12/30/2012) [-]
OKAY, so here's what we do.

We take everybody's guns. Then, we melt them all down. THEN, we forge them into swords, and give everybody in the country one.

You want to kill someone? You'd better be prepared for a serious duel that risks your own ass, because you've gotta get up close and personal. And on the plus side? They look all kinds of badass strapped to ones belt.
User avatar #543 to #535 - akkere (12/30/2012) [-]
Let's make it even more interesting;

To perform such duel, you have to wear a certain outfit:

Powdered wig and fancy tailored 1700s-esque suit.
#534 - veenet (12/30/2012) [-]
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#533 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
But how does the army protect him all the way in Afghanistan?
#532 - YourAnalProbe (12/30/2012) [-]
I agree, Bloomberg's a little bitch *****
User avatar #520 - alfjnn (12/30/2012) [-]
I like Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Also TO BE FAIR.

Most 19 Year olds here in New York City are total stoner potheads, or college kids.

lolliberalism.

Sides. Bloomberg did a great job getting those wallstreet protesters to **** off.

Then again he's a total stoner.

He's also a self made millionaire (Sort of) And he's been mayor for uhh, I believe twelve years now.
User avatar #587 to #520 - counteractive (12/30/2012) [-]
Good for him, but that doesnt make his comment any less stupid.
User avatar #597 to #587 - alfjnn (12/30/2012) [-]
But that comment wasn't stupid, though I agree with 18 being the all around age for everything, here in New york, most 19 year olds or College kids, generally that whole age group are potheads and sillynits.
User avatar #603 to #597 - counteractive (12/30/2012) [-]
I just think its basic respect and education on firearms. I grew up with a cop dad, so I was always tought range safety and given an in depth understanding on firearms to the point where I dont even notice open carries anymore because its just like seeing a cellphone. Its just another piece of equiptment to me (being 17, I dont own a personal firearm or have one waiting, though I plan on getting one). I was also taught that they are for protection of myself and others, nothing else. Not even recreational shooting other than target practice.
The problem with my generation is they are brought up on movies and thug life outlooks. Most of the kids who talk about guns have never even held one. Then you have those who think theyre toys and treat them as such. I cant even treat my airsoft or nerf guns as toys.

tl;dr education goes a long way

But no, those potheads probibly shouldnt be owning guns. Though, a general law would affect the rest of us so I am also opposed to that.
User avatar #580 to #520 - philliyoMLB (12/30/2012) [-]
Yeah, I liked mainly for the Wall street thing because he wasn't falling for people's **** .
User avatar #596 to #580 - alfjnn (12/30/2012) [-]
He's tough, that's why I like him, he doesn't bend over for stupid **** like OWS protesters
#549 to #520 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
billionaire*
User avatar #518 - shazmothree (12/30/2012) [-]
I know right? During the Tet offensive in Vietnam there were 18 year old privates leading small groups of South Vietnamese troops into battle
User avatar #511 - flyingbaconsixnine (12/30/2012) [-]
ha ha ha.
classic gag.
User avatar #508 - Shiny ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
The difference is that a 19-year-old in the Army knows **** about discipline.

Random 19-year-olds are clueless jerkoffs that think playing Counter-Strike makes them masters of armed combat.
#506 - magceral (12/30/2012) [-]
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#536 to #506 - thisisyourusername (12/30/2012) [-]
Oh...It wasn't.
#575 to #536 - beefking (12/30/2012) [-]
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User avatar #501 - gemleonn (12/30/2012) [-]
It's very true. I'm 16, joining the reserves this summer after basic training (because I'm not old enough, even with parental consent to join the active military). And it pisses me off that people are trying to take away civilians guns.. Apparently it's not safe for younger people to have guns, but younger people are the ones protecting and serving.
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#495 - lpjazzman ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
User avatar #550 to #495 - ovary (12/30/2012) [-]
In this case i would have to agree with the statement " **** the police"
#545 to #495 - happyschlappy (12/30/2012) [-]
Lack of proper camouflage, chinstrap on helmet not attached, liable to offend local populace.

2/10

Would not want in my squad
User avatar #514 to #495 - gmarrox (12/30/2012) [-]
YOUR CHIN STRAP ISN'T EVEN SECURED YOU STUPID BITCH
User avatar #515 to #514 - lpjazzman ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
oh **** ! she is john wayning it...well damn...
#475 - UnoSkullmanx (12/30/2012) [-]
18 year olds are old enough to go to war and die, but drinking is out of the question. Gotta love this country.
User avatar #497 to #475 - certifiedidiot ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
Some would say that's because the brain isn't fully developed and such but heck, fix the school system from being crap before worrying about the ability to learn to begin with imo
User avatar #512 to #497 - lokiwins (12/30/2012) [-]
But in most other countries it's 18 and even as low as 16.
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User avatar #480 to #467 - fpsnoob (12/30/2012) [-]
I'm pretty sure all the people supporting gun bans aren't going to support just training people how to use guns before selling them.
#519 to #480 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
Are you kidding? Most people would at least like for that to happen. You don't even need a basic training course in most states to buy a gun, gun owners and gun haters alike want that changed. Besides the people who want to full out ban guns are a very very small minority, most people want tighter regulations NOT a ban on guns. The NRA and media would have you confused about the reality that very few people really want an all out ban.
User avatar #531 to #519 - fpsnoob (12/30/2012) [-]
You're acting as if military gets a lot of training. It's more along the lines of - Here's an M16, this is how you take it apart and put it together, now shoot those targets.
#542 to #531 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
You clearly don't know **** about the military.
User avatar #622 to #542 - fpsnoob (12/30/2012) [-]
Other than being in the Air Force active duty and going through basic training just a year ago? Yeah I don't know anything.
User avatar #469 to #467 - psychfouronenine (12/30/2012) [-]
And hunters are not trained?
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User avatar #517 to #471 - gmarrox (12/30/2012) [-]
Most life long hunters start learning around the age of 8 and get a license at 12.
User avatar #472 to #471 - psychfouronenine (12/30/2012) [-]
The average 19 year old isn't a gun owner, either. Plus, where I'm from, the average 19 year old is definitely a hunter.
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User avatar #498 to #472 - Jewssassin ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
Coincidentally enough I am a 19 year old man in the United States and I am a gun owner. I am also proud to say my guns have never killed anyone.
User avatar #499 to #498 - Jewssassin ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
meant to say male but man works too.
#458 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
The police protect his ass. TRAINED soldiers of ALL ages protect his COUNTRY. And no, I don't think trigger happy untrained 19 year olds who have played too much Call of Duty and have something to prove are responsible. Adam Lanza's mother trained him to use a gun because she thought it would give him responsibility.   
   
Not implying all 19 year olds aren't responsible, but rather that they aren't always well.   
   
Ultimately we must ask ourselves: WWBD?   
   
What would Batman do?   
   
I think the answer is obvious
The police protect his ass. TRAINED soldiers of ALL ages protect his COUNTRY. And no, I don't think trigger happy untrained 19 year olds who have played too much Call of Duty and have something to prove are responsible. Adam Lanza's mother trained him to use a gun because she thought it would give him responsibility.

Not implying all 19 year olds aren't responsible, but rather that they aren't always well.

Ultimately we must ask ourselves: WWBD?

What would Batman do?

I think the answer is obvious
#513 to #458 - johnshepherd (12/30/2012) [-]
You should know that you need to do safety courses to get anything besides a long-gun. And that for a hunting license or carry permit you do need to pass safety courses for all gun-types.
User avatar #528 to #513 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
I didn't completely know that, and it's a fair point. However, it is no guarantee. For instance, most drivers on the road have licenses. Does that make them responsible drivers?
#615 to #528 - johnshepherd (12/30/2012) [-]
Sorry it took me so long to respond.

No it doesn't, but with the sheer number of background checks and hoops to jump through in order to get a firearm, an increase in the security would probably not have any noticeable effect. May I ask: what is your view on automatic weapons? Permaban, extra license or same license?
User avatar #618 to #615 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
No worries, I guess my logic is any crime stopped is still crime stopped. You can't put a price on life. As far as automatic weapons go, it's tricky. I guess I'd say this:

It comes down to need. I understand some people need rifles. Some people hunt to feed themselves, some make their living hunting. I understand some people need pistols, some people live in bad neighborhoods. I also understand our Constitution gives us a right to bear arms, despite what a tricky area that is. But I don't think anyone needs an assault weapon. I mean, I get that they are fun for target shooting, etc., but you would survive if you didn't have one. Someone on here made a good point: an assault weapon is as it's name suggests, to assault. And assault is illegal, and dangerous. So that pretty much sums up my opinion on guns. They're usefulness is dependent on need and necessity.

Thumbed you up for being a respectful commenter.
#620 to #618 - johnshepherd (12/30/2012) [-]
Thanks for the mutual respect. Thumb for you in return.


From a certain perspective, I do agree with your necessity assumption for automatic weapons (also, assault weapon is slightly innacurate, in my opinion, as it is makes them seem more violent than they are: an "assault weapon" is just an automatic or semi-automatic gun with a larger cartridge.) but here's my view:

The second amendment says that freedom is dependent on having a well-regulated militia to keep the government in check. Regulated might initially seem like gun-control laws are in proper order, but back then, it meant something more akin to uniform, or equally armed, anyway. The only conditions set forth are "not a drunkard and not insane," so my opinion is that, if the military owns one and you aren't drunk or mad, you should be able to purchase and own one. Also, I am of the opinion that carry permit should be synonymous with an ownership permit, but that's just my two-bits.
#502 to #458 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
You do realize that there were three shooters at Newtown, right?
User avatar #525 to #502 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
Show me a source.
#476 to #458 - UnoSkullmanx (12/30/2012) [-]
Right, SOME 19 yr olds aren't responsible, therefore we should punish ALL of them and use a carpet ban.
User avatar #524 to #476 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
Is punish the right word though? Chances are, most 19 year olds can live without having a gun. It's akin to school's requiring dress code. It is there to stop a minority of incidents like bullying, but it effects everyone. Still, kids live on regardless.
User avatar #462 to #458 - durkadurka (12/30/2012) [-]
So we should strike fear in the hearts of all criminals?
#464 to #462 - Yojimbo (12/30/2012) [-]
MFW your username
MFW your username
User avatar #456 - durkadurka (12/30/2012) [-]
Michael Bloomberg is one of those ******** who thinks that he has the right to tell other people how to live. For whatever reason he has determined that other people are not capable of making their own life decisions and he has to be the one to make those decisions for them. We see this when he bans < 16 oz Sodas, supports bans on firearms, and seems to think people need to be told that they ought to keep their expensive phones in safer locations on their bodies.
User avatar #486 to #456 - tanisrapedmygoat (12/30/2012) [-]
he was elected mayor to make rules. Elected officials job is to tell us how to live for the good of the community. Do you not understand how democracy and elections work? I'm not saying he's right but the beginning of your argument is dumb.
User avatar #489 to #486 - durkadurka (12/30/2012) [-]
> Elected officials job is to tell us how to live for the good of the community

No.
The job of government is to protect the rights of the people. They do this by passing and enforcing laws that ensure everyone's rights are protected equally (at least that's how it's supposed to work). Telling people how to live is the job of dictators. In a democratic republic, we are free to make our OWN CHOICES.

Bloomberg should not decide how big of a soda I get. That's MY job, and my job alone.
User avatar #491 to #489 - tanisrapedmygoat (12/30/2012) [-]
Then vote for someone else.
#451 - hipsterbs (12/30/2012) [-]
Here is my take on Gun control. First off it is much better putting money into helping people with mental disabilities, helping out communities like Camden ( fifth most dangerous city in the U.S.) , making programs in school like dare but teach about violence and how to make control your self. Controlling guns is the easy way out of course but with this you can stop stabbings, Decrease the number of crimes, stop drug addiction, and help out inner city kids. I am telling you man school can be such a huge influence on kids if you take advantage of it.
tl;dr Try to influence kids in schools and place better programs instead of just saying control the guns
User avatar #460 to #451 - durkadurka (12/30/2012) [-]
This is definitely a cultural issue. If people were raised to value and respect human life and the mentally ill were properly identified and treated, we would not have nearly as much crime.
#448 - grimmwaters ONLINE (12/30/2012) [-]
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#523 to #448 - anonymous (12/30/2012) [-]
you deserve all the thumbs
#446 - fallnsoul (12/30/2012) [-]
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