Damn... is that really our stereotype now? I liked it so much better when everyone thought we were rude, mean, conceited snobs.
I think we still retain that stereotype for the most part. It's a good one to have.
My family and I had lived in New York all our lives and my little brother, after working many years with the police (after school program called the "Explorers"), joined the military when he was seventeen.
I'm very proud of him and he never once took advantage of or played with firearms, that's all I'm saying.

I picture New Yorkers more as people who try to polish a turd, like, I think New York is a shitty place but everyone from New York tries to glorifie it.

I suppose that makes sense but to be quite honest I can't imagine living anywhere else.
It happens all the time. At one point or another New Yorkers want to get out and explore either the rest of the country or the rest of the world, depending on their financial situation or whatever. They're always talking about how terrible a place New York is. They almost always come back in the end though, claiming that they never once found a place as wonderful as this city.
I hold a similar perspective, I went out for a little while but came back knowing that I can't imagine myself in living in any other place.
It's not for everyone and there are certainly downsides to living here but I like it nonetheless.

I know, I'm simply stating that we're not all like that.
Any other kid in any other state would misbehave with a gun if they don't know how to properly use it, it doesn't matter.

Let's make it even more interesting;

To perform such duel, you have to wear a certain outfit:

Powdered wig and fancy tailored 1700s-esque suit.

Good for him, but that doesnt make his comment any less stupid.

But that comment wasn't stupid, though I agree with 18 being the all around age for everything, here in New york, most 19 year olds or College kids, generally that whole age group are potheads and sillynits.

I just think its basic respect and education on firearms. I grew up with a cop dad, so I was always tought range safety and given an in depth understanding on firearms to the point where I dont even notice open carries anymore because its just like seeing a cellphone. Its just another piece of equiptment to me (being 17, I dont own a personal firearm or have one waiting, though I plan on getting one). I was also taught that they are for protection of myself and others, nothing else. Not even recreational shooting other than target practice.
The problem with my generation is they are brought up on movies and thug life outlooks. Most of the kids who talk about guns have never even held one. Then you have those who think theyre toys and treat them as such. I cant even treat my airsoft or nerf guns as toys.

tl;dr education goes a long way

But no, those potheads probibly shouldnt be owning guns. Though, a general law would affect the rest of us so I am also opposed to that.

Yeah, I liked mainly for the Wall street thing because he wasn't falling for people's shit.

He's tough, that's why I like him, he doesn't bend over for stupid shit like OWS protesters

HELL YEAH.

Oh...It wasn't.

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Complete difference between letting a soldier who is trained have a gun and letting random civilians have guns

Lack of proper camouflage, chinstrap on helmet not attached, liable to offend local populace.

2/10

Would not want in my squad

YOUR CHIN STRAP ISN'T EVEN SECURED YOU STUPID BITCH

oh shit! she is john wayning it...well damn...

Some would say that's because the brain isn't fully developed and such but heck, fix the school system from being crap before worrying about the ability to learn to begin with imo

But in most other countries it's 18 and even as low as 16.

I'm pretty sure all the people supporting gun bans aren't going to support just training people how to use guns before selling them.

You're acting as if military gets a lot of training. It's more along the lines of - Here's an M16, this is how you take it apart and put it together, now shoot those targets.

Other than being in the Air Force active duty and going through basic training just a year ago? Yeah I don't know anything.

And hunters are not trained?

Most life long hunters start learning around the age of 8 and get a license at 12.

The average 19 year old isn't a gun owner, either. Plus, where I'm from, the average 19 year old is definitely a hunter.

good point.

Coincidentally enough I am a 19 year old man in the United States and I am a gun owner. I am also proud to say my guns have never killed anyone.

meant to say male but man works too.

You should know that you need to do safety courses to get anything besides a long-gun. And that for a hunting license or carry permit you do need to pass safety courses for all gun-types.

I didn't completely know that, and it's a fair point. However, it is no guarantee. For instance, most drivers on the road have licenses. Does that make them responsible drivers?

Sorry it took me so long to respond.

No it doesn't, but with the sheer number of background checks and hoops to jump through in order to get a firearm, an increase in the security would probably not have any noticeable effect. May I ask: what is your view on automatic weapons? Permaban, extra license or same license?

No worries, I guess my logic is any crime stopped is still crime stopped. You can't put a price on life. As far as automatic weapons go, it's tricky. I guess I'd say this:

It comes down to need. I understand some people need rifles. Some people hunt to feed themselves, some make their living hunting. I understand some people need pistols, some people live in bad neighborhoods. I also understand our Constitution gives us a right to bear arms, despite what a tricky area that is. But I don't think anyone needs an assault weapon. I mean, I get that they are fun for target shooting, etc., but you would survive if you didn't have one. Someone on here made a good point: an assault weapon is as it's name suggests, to assault. And assault is illegal, and dangerous. So that pretty much sums up my opinion on guns. They're usefulness is dependent on need and necessity.

Thumbed you up for being a respectful commenter.

Thanks for the mutual respect. Thumb for you in return.


From a certain perspective, I do agree with your necessity assumption for automatic weapons (also, assault weapon is slightly innacurate, in my opinion, as it is makes them seem more violent than they are: an "assault weapon" is just an automatic or semi-automatic gun with a larger cartridge.) but here's my view:

The second amendment says that freedom is dependent on having a well-regulated militia to keep the government in check. Regulated might initially seem like gun-control laws are in proper order, but back then, it meant something more akin to uniform, or equally armed, anyway. The only conditions set forth are "not a drunkard and not insane," so my opinion is that, if the military owns one and you aren't drunk or mad, you should be able to purchase and own one. Also, I am of the opinion that carry permit should be synonymous with an ownership permit, but that's just my two-bits.

Show me a source.

Right, SOME 19 yr olds aren't responsible, therefore we should punish ALL of them and use a carpet ban.

Is punish the right word though? Chances are, most 19 year olds can live without having a gun. It's akin to school's requiring dress code. It is there to stop a minority of incidents like bullying, but it effects everyone. Still, kids live on regardless.

So we should strike fear in the hearts of all criminals?

MFW your username

he was elected mayor to make rules. Elected officials job is to tell us how to live for the good of the community. Do you not understand how democracy and elections work? I'm not saying he's right but the beginning of your argument is dumb.

> Elected officials job is to tell us how to live for the good of the community

No.
The job of government is to protect the rights of the people. They do this by passing and enforcing laws that ensure everyone's rights are protected equally (at least that's how it's supposed to work). Telling people how to live is the job of dictators. In a democratic republic, we are free to make our OWN CHOICES.

Bloomberg should not decide how big of a soda I get. That's MY job, and my job alone.

Then vote for someone else.

This is definitely a cultural issue. If people were raised to value and respect human life and the mentally ill were properly identified and treated, we would not have nearly as much crime.