they don't matter

True but it's hard for a kid to understand that, and it really sucks if your parents support you financially and is are ignorant douches

Homosexuality is acquired socially or emotionally, not genetically as the supposed 'gay gene' has been shown to not exist

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Edit: I am wrong, it's epigenetic which is basically environment affecting on cellular changes during gestation and birth :D

That's what I came across as well, in terms of well thought through studies. Still the debate goes on :)

All credible studies show that it isn't a genetic thing, not that that ends the debate.

Reasonable and mutual view on the matter.

I think fuckin' miracles, man.

Choise, genetic, it doesn't really matter to me, as long as they don't break into my house and fuck on my couch... Again.

*Choice

its not genetic, obviously a gay gene wouldn't get passed down

it's just who you are, everyone has a low probability of being gay when they are born if you consider how their instinctual urges are embedded when they develop in the womb. low probability means a small percent of people will, in fact, be born gay.


so it's really just an unlikely, yet completely natural occurence

I think the term you were thinking of was heredity. And I see where you're coming from.

the gay gene can get passed down, both my parents could have brown eyes
I could have blue eyes......two parents can be straight their kid can be gay

no, what i'm saying is that through a long period of evolution homosexuality cannot be genetic

you would have blue eyes since somebody in your genetic history had blue eyes.

nobody in anyone's direct genetic history was ever fully homosexual, or their genes wouldn't pass down to the recipient

that particular factor would not pass down since homosexuals do not reproduce (if they did, they would not be homosexual) therefor the "gay gene" would be eliminated evolutionarily.


those who do not reproduce do not provide genetic influence for further generations


im saying its just a random selection of your biological makeup, and you have a much higher chance of being stright. that doesnt make homosexuality wrong, it just makes it less likely.


it's natural and random

*clears throat*

One gene can have multiple effects
SHAZAM

/argument

that doesn't do these things:
1. make any sense
2. prove that homosexualty can be passed down geneticallly
3. hold any relevance to the evolutionary concepts that i had previously mentioned

MAZAHS

argument\

Are you not saying that because gays do not reproduce, there cannot be a gay gene?

no i'm saying that since homosexuals do not reproduce, a gay gene could not survivce in evolution



think about it:
lets just say hypothetically that blue eyed people are no longer able to reproduce (just like homosexuals cannot reproduce)
if everyone who had blue eyes suddenly stopped reproducing, after a while, we would see a decline in the number of people with blue eyes

sure some of the people who held the recessive blue eye gene would get blue eyes, BUT according to the condition that they cannot reproduce, we would eventually (over a period of centuries) see a decline in the number of blue eyued people until none of them exist.

For god's sake, read my fucking comment

Imagine the following gene:
1. Causes gayness in males
2. Causes females to have increased fertility

Oh now i see what you are getting at, (wish you would have clarified, would have saved a lot of time)

if you're trying to get at a hormonal inbalance, where the boy inherits gay and feminine attitude and personality, that would be a hormonal inbalance rather than a genetic impulse

genes dont just go do whatever they fuck well please.


if you consider that gene, it sounds like it would really kick ass evolutionarily
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM
if that gene were to exist, it would fucking dominate the evolutionary tree, all the bitches would be fertile since all the fertile ones would survive and all the non fertile ones would die out.

then that gene would be everywhere, EVERYWHERE

and then there would be homosexuals EVERYWHERE

but there AREN'T

so the gene doesn't EXIST

"One gene can have multiple effects "
I thought this was pretty obvious

Okay, how about this:

Gene:
Makes some males gay
Makes some females more fertile

I can just adjust it, because it's purely hypothetical
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111843.php
thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/06/14/499483/study-male-genetic-homosexuality/
oh wait

"Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist,"


fucking huh.

my thesis:
>no gay gene

this article:
>no gay gene


/debate

Your thesis "It's not genetic"

This article: "It's not one gene"

/debate

your thesis: it's one (hypothetical) gene
inb4 bullshit about "consider this gene"

your article: its not one gene


where the fuck are you even going with this?

I'm just making sure you know that your bs claim that "it's not genetic" is utterly false :)

and i'm just making sure you know that you defeated yourself with your own evidence



like steppin on a rake

I was just posing a hypothetical
The article did not go against it. You can't disprove my hypothetcal scenario.

You, on the other hand, made a claim of fact. And a false one at that.

also no im saying you claimed it was one gene, one fucking gene
one
mother
fucking
hypothetical
gene



fucking one goddamn dick cunt pussy sucking gene
the article says it isnt


please stop posting now im busy doing cool shit im not supposed tpo

Are you getting frustrated?

10,000 niggawatts of pure rustle

no shut up


we ended this remember


go to bed

Granted, but this still explains how homosexuality can be (if only partially) based on genetics

"its not genetic, obviously a gay gene wouldn't get passed down "
Which goes against your first comment.

My comment:- "its not genetic, obviously a gay gene wouldn't get passed down "


Your Article:- "Though this study does not identify a specific gay gene, which probably does not exist,"


fucking dude...

"its not genetic"
THAT is what I'm contesting

Fucking dude...

some gay men in the old days might of reproduced do to the fact that they had to keep it a secret so they married a girl and had a family

Natural occurrence. My brother is gay and he says he cant help but feel attracted to men

I'm pansexual. I've never felt like I had a choice in who I find attractive, I simply just do.

Interesting, didn't know that, should read up on random things again

The way I see it(or at least as it has been my experience), attraction to the same sex is the same exact thing as attraction to the opposite. There really is no difference. You have no real control over how it works, you just happen to find some people attractive and some people not.

You ever have a crush on someone(or maybe that's too strong a word, maybe you just thought they were kinda hot or something) but your friends thought you were crazy for thinking as such, telling you that they thought that person was ugly? Or maybe vice versa? It's the same deal. You have no real control over it, it just happens.

The way I like to describe pansexuality is: bisexuality is when you like males and females, with pansexuality you like males, females, and everything in between. Basically I'm Capt. Jack Harkness is what I'm saying. XP

I don't really care

Fair enough

I mean......if I'm this way because of Genetics or Society......does it matter?

No not really. You are what you are.
It was just a question and I wanted to see what kind of responses and mind set the readers had. Not really interested in an answer to the aged question that is "Is it against nature?", but how the answers were worded and if people were simply pouring out emotions into text or maintaining composure.
You were brilliant :)

oh....thanks :)

Think it's just as much choice as being male/female.

Meaning, not a choice at all.

I'm glad I know how to swim, cause there be a red sea of thumbs approaching

gender reassignment surguries

I couldn't give a fuck if I tried to. It's none of my business.

I think genetics, I mean bats or penguins dont think of stuff like that, yet there is homosexuality among them ( and all other animals, duh)

You know what would be interesting? If research could have tagged those same animals that experienced homosexual relations and followed them around to see if they were strictly interested in the same sex, that would be something wouldn't it?

yeah, but look - penguins find only one mate for their whole lifetime. they tend to choose males. So do elephants, there are many animals with only one mate.

That's pretty interesting. I should research to see if they maintained a life-long homosexual relationship. That would be enlightening.

There was a case few years ago of the NY (or something) zoo that the new male penguins that were brought to mate with the females got with each other. funny

That's unlucky for the zoo's penguin investment :P Any idea what year it was from, would be great to read up on that.

"The behaviour is not considered unusual because homosexuality has been well documented in the animal kingdom."

cant find it anywhere but it was quite long ago... here is a german couple http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2009/06/05/gay-penguins-adopt005.html

Depends, do you think heterosexuality is a choice?

Do you always like to answer questions with questions?

Maybe.

If it was a choice every fucking bloke would be gay. Proposition do you:
A) Spend loads of money courting a girl into liking you, get married and have kids. The arguments, the family, the menstrual cycle.
B) Hang with your bestfriend all day and get blowjobs.

There are so many things wrong with your comment that it would take more characters than this box would allow to scratch the surface of that mentality.

Natural occurrence, it's a scientifically proven fact, duh

The gay gene

I think it's a natural occurrence, but in some cases might be a choice.

>implying that they are mutually exclusive to being homosexual?

But Hitler did nothing wrong, mountain dew said so.

LOL BECAUSE HITLER KILLED ALL THOSE JEWS! ISN'T 4CHAN FUNNY?!

LOL BECAUSE SAYING SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL OVER THE INTERNET ISN'T UNHEARD OF!? if you have some sort of personal attachment to the subject I apologize. But it's the internet harsher things have been said.

Oh, I was just commenting on how over-used it is. But, whatever. Have good Holiday Season, sir.

People (similar to yourself) really need to learn that sayings like this have an obvious moral limit.

your logic:
"people should have dreams"
"Hitlers dream was to kill all jews"
silly.

He had everyone it applied to in mind.

As much as I, hate to be rude, don't agree with gays, I think Littlenish is right. When Dr. Suess said this, he had in mind Christians, Bhudists, Hindu, gay, Lesbian, Muslim, and every other religion or philosophy.

Wanna, use, any, more, commas,?

Except he used the all properly.

I hate to be so black and white about it but considering the majority of the traffic on this site comes from males I would assume lesbians would get more thumbs. Don't get me wrong I have no problem with gay men but two women scissoring is going to get my attention rather two men rubbing their knobs together.

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You realize you just said an elaborated version of what he said right?

they're not exactly attractive lesbians, so it's k.

They're clearly not as caring or as loving as they should be if they hate that their child isn't straight. Because if they love their child, their sexuality shouldn't matter in any way.

Then again, if a parent of mine was homophobic, no matter my sexuality, I'd be disappointed in them and would like them less.

Then they aren't caring or loving.

Then if they can not keep it to themselves, they clearly do not matter.

Yes, but they love them so they accept it.

A lot of homosexual people are kicked out of their homes when their parents find out. It's kind of sad really.

Some parents have even beaten their kids to death because they just can't accept it. (happens a lot more in the Middle East than in North America though)

yep. But that means they never loved them enough, if what other people will say and their own beliefs and close mindness is stronger than their love. too bad the kids suffer.

If my kid turns out homosexual, that is all peachy-keen.

In other terms, I will not give a fuck

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