make it 3.
Also touching allowed.

But what if one of those Hot chicks was your daughter...Would that still work?

You're sick dude, .... my daughter is 18 months old....even in dog years that 's only 10 1/2.

Yes, yes it would.

I actually agree. Freedom of speech is for the stuff we don't like just as much as the stuff we do. All this censorship and hate for people who aren't politically correct is just as bullshit as it was when we spat on liberal ideas. They're a bunch of hypocrites.

You're allowed to give your opinion on any matter, but don't expect respect for it when it's hatefull or bigotted.

1. It's not hateful to say I believe something is wrong.
2. It's just as bigoted to say that I'm wrong.

Yes it is hatefull.

Hate is defined as a distaste or negative attitude towards something, when you hate something that does not affect your life whatsoever such as the color or sex or a person then it is hatefull.

It's not bigotted, that's like saying standing up to a bully is bullying. Eye for an eye.

It's just as hateful then for you to say you believe it is right.
You slate me for having my opinions and beliefs by cramming yours down my throat.

This is what we call "double standards". I for one will agree to disagree with people.

Because mine is right, the utalitarian method of philosophy states that right and wrong is defined by maximizing hapiness and reducing suffering. Being nice to others instead of hatefull for no reason therefor is factually a superior method. If you hate someone for no reason and try to state that makes you automaticly hatefull which history shows that hatefulness does never work out. I have a reason to hate you though because you are hatefull.

Having opinions and beliefs are okay, but there is a line. And when you cross it you don't earn respect.

Your belief isn't right, according to my belief. My belief isn't right according to yours.
That still gives no definite answer.
I never said I hated anyone, and I don't hate people for no reason. I just disagree with homosexuality because I believe it is wrong.

Again it is not wrong, that is a fact. Like i said it is based on maximizing utility.

Your belief is wrong because there is no valid reason to consider it right. There are far more reasons to state why my opinion is right because my opinion is backed up by civil right, biological facts, sociological facts, tolerance and compassion.

There is no valid reason to consider homosexuality wrong other than to be an intolerant bigot.

See, you're the one using the hateful language here. There are valid reasons to consider homosexuality wrong, but no doubt if I mention any you will shout them down with words like "bigoted" "Hateful" "Spiteful" and other such things.
But anyways, who are you to judge what is right and wrong by 'maximizing utility'?
You cannot say that your belief is a fact. That's your belief.
It's like saying, "I believe that my butt is made of ice cream." Therefore I am a hot fudge sundae.

Because those reasons are hatefull by definition. I don't think it's hatefull it's a fact that it would be hatefull. There are no valid reasons whatsoever.

I don't judge what is right and wrong, common sense does.

Maximing utility is about increasing happiness and reducing suffering. Now how the hell is that not wrong?

I guess the KKK is also a valid group that should be respected right? I guess racism should be allowed right? Because who are we to decide if it's wrong or right.

It doesn't work that way. When someone says to someone else that their life is wrong and that who they are is wrong then that will cause social stigma and the person who you claim it to be wrong to will feel emotional pain, therefor it can be concluded that it is wrong.

So by your definition you are wrong, by saying to me that my life is wrong, that who I am is wrong, and that my beliefs are wrong?

It works both ways.

And I don't say that who people are is wrong, it's what they do that is wrong.

No i am saying that what you believe is wrong because it's wrong by definition. Just like how people believe the KKK is wrong.

By that logic i could also say i don't thing black people are wrong, but what black people do is wrong. Yet that is hatefull and bigotted.

I think the situation here is that one of you seems to think homosexuality is a choice and the other seems to think that it is a part of the person and they are born with it.

If you believe its a choice then you can believe the choices these people made were wrong and not be hateful.
If you believe it is a part of who they are; that they were born with it, then you will see it as hateful to not agree with homosexuality.

Depends what those black people do. If they kill people then saying they're wrong is fine by me. If they don't, then you're wrong.
But when people do something that is against my beliefs, I believe that doing that is wrong.
How is what I'm saying 'by definition' wrong, and not what you're saying?
I say your beliefs are wrong, you say mine are wrong. 'by definition' we're both wrong.

Also you just contradicted yourself.

"If they don't, then you're wrong"

No, I didn't. I said if you say they're wrong because they kill people then you're okay. If you say they're wrong but they don't do anything, then you're wrong.

Yet you said that you can't decide what is right or wrong.

You say homosexuals are wrong but they don't do anything bad, therefor you are wrong by your own logic you just gave.

Your destroyed your own logic

I can't decide what is wrong, no. Neither can you. But my beliefs say it's wrong.
I do say homosexuals are wrong, they do something bad. It's called homosexuality. By my own logic I am not wrong.

I do say black people are wrong, they do something bad. It's called being black. By your logic i can now discriminate them and not be wrong.

No, that's not by my logic. Where in your beliefs does it say that being black is wrong?
That is just on all levels ethically wrong.
1. I do not discriminate against homosexuals, discrimination is wrong.
2. I believe that homosexuality is wrong. The act of homosexuality is wrong. It's not the actual people, it's what they do. Being black isn't doing something, that's being a different race.

Haha looks like you can't even give an answer.

You're a hypocrite. You claim that being against act of black people sex is racist yet you don't see how the act of homosexual sex is homophobic.

The same logic applies to both. Both black people and homosexuals are genetically born this way. To say that either one is right while the other is wrong is pure hypocrisy.

Why would that be wrong? Why would homosexuals having sex be wrong? There's no difference between homosexuals having sex than heterosexual sex. That again is a term of homophobia.

I give up. You're obviously so closed-minded on the subject you cannot see facts for your own opinions.

The act of black people having sex is wrong. It's not the actual people, it's what they do.

Why would that be wrong? Why would black people having sex be wrong? There's no difference between black people having sex than white people. That again is a term of racism.
This is something different. Sex isn't wrong, black people aren't wrong for being black, but people are wrong for having homosexual sex.
You are missing the point.

Look, I'm done here. This is getting nowhere and it's pointless. It all boils down to what we believe, and we cannot determine here who is right and wrong, because we both believe each other is wrong and we ourselves are right.

My initial point is exactly that, that we all believe we ourselves are right and each other is wrong. Henceforth it annoys me when people make posts slating my beliefs as falsehood when they are my beliefs. You have yours, I have mine. Don't force yours on me.

There are reasons for it to be right. Scientific, biological, sociological [maybe not anymore, since society has changed] and psychological.

Your arguments, my friend, are constantly turning back on themselves, as you repeat the same 'by definition' and 'maximum utility'.
Your maximum utility argument destroys itself. By making the homosexuals happy you are causing the people who disagree suffering too.
It works both ways.

Also there are no biological or psychological reasons for your beliefs to be right. All those "arguments" are easily refuted.

'Easily refuted'. You mean by saying 'by definition' it's wrong? That isn't refuting something, that's just repeating the same non-valid point over and over.

No i am talking about actual evidence.

That is the MOST retarded statement i've ever heard in my life.

Homosexuals suffer because they are being discriminated. Give me ONE VALID reason how making homosexuals happy cause other suffering?

By your logic making black people happy cause KKK members to suffer. That is no valid reason.

Giving homosexuals equal rights creates a neutral space.

Giving homosexuals equal rights infringes on other peoples' rights to have their own beliefs and religions. That is a basic human right, is it not?

ONE VALID reason right there.

How does that infringe on people's beliefs whatsoever? IT DOESN'T

Giving homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals does not destroy their religion, does not destroy their beliefs, they can still deny gay marriage, they can still practice their beliefs.

So how did it infringe with their beliefs? IT DIDN'T

It did. It infringes on their right to have no homosexual marriage in their society.

I think I'm done here. You're providing no valid points other than IT DOESN'T and ITS WRONG.
Please don't continue, you've bored me enough now.

Uhm there is something called the seperation of church and state. Religion is not a polticial issue. Civil rights are.

That's American. I'm British. We have the Anglican church.
'Civil rights' as you call them are both political and religious issues.

There is a difference between getting rights and taking away someone elses rights. If you haven't learned that concept then it's obvious why you're so politically incorrect.

Oh, so now it's political?
By giving homosexuals the rights to gay marriage you are taking away the muslim, christian, and catholic rights to a sin-free society.

Yes just run away, i also love how you ignored your contradiction.

I'm not running away, I'm bored. Where's my contradiction?

Again which means that it created a neutral space. Those people don't get special benefits and homosexuals don't get discriminated.

Doesn't create a neutral space. It means the homosexuals get what they want and the other people don't. That's not neutral.

that made me laugh. take a thumb sir

OK I FUCKED UP I REALLY DID LET IT GO.

holy shit...

God fucking damn it.

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L

You are not a Grammar Nazi.

OK

I find it odd that everyone's disrespecting your comment on a post that's all about those that truly matter, so by everyone being disrespectful towards you, they are saying that they don't matter which is a negative to them in the context of this post... Fascinating!

Tolerance against the intolerant is hypocrisy and cowardice, there is always an exception to the rule.

yeah people are gay, oh well

Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
-Dr. Seuss

but speak you mind on how this makes you feel and everyone will thumb you down because they don't agree with your views or opinion....For being yourself and not posting Anon you have earned a Green thumb from me.

Without trying to sound like a woman, it's not what he said it's the way he said it. He voiced his opinion like an asshole so we're going to treat him like an asshole.

His choice of worlds were simplistic and rough, but it is still his opinion and in the spirit of this post you probably thumbed up.. you should respect it.

I didn't thumb it because it wasn't funny, I respect his opinion, but he shouldn't have been such an ass about it.

You see him as an ass which is your opinion, but how should he have worded it?

Well I don't understand his point full because of the lack of punctuation so this is just how I read it.





"They're probably getting bullied because they're ugly, not lesbians."
Or
"They're only lesbians because they're ugly."

I could be interpreting his point very wrongly, but you get the idea.

How he said it is how it makes him feel.

the one sane person on the internet today, btw i wasnt trolling, not posting anon because that defeats the purpose i have thumbs to spare from 2 frontpages, plus i wanna see what people say, what would be the point otherwise, thanks you sir, very much

They are hypocrites. They will shout for freedom of speech and stand for causes they believe in, but be the first to yell "Silence!" Or "Sit Down!" If you opinion does not reflect their own. Sad... truly sad.

its how the world works, thats why i know freedom of speech, equality, fairness, thats all bullshit, only retards believe in that shit, and they say the bible is a load of bullcrap

I Do not feel that its bullshit, but I know it will never be a reality.

ah, but why believe in something that will never happen? thats why i gave up, i understand reality, not dreams

Hope, it's what gets us through the day.

im just being realistic, i hope in other things, equality wount help me, more money would

LOL, I hope you don't live in the US where some of these people believe the rich should give a majority of their wealth to the poor.

nah europe mate, anyway you seem like a clever guy, so il tell you something, hope it will help shape your understanding, read Friedrich Nietzsche, greatest philosopher ever

Did... Kind of found it dry.

u did? i base my views on him, he speaks the truth

No man speaks the truth. There is only a collection of opinions.

You are the largest form of asshole.

Hahaha, get a load of this guy, being an asshole is not good, it means you are one of the lowest forms of life on the planet. Also, get your grammar and shit together.

That gif is awesome. I stared at that thing unblinkingly for about a minute.

Well, this is one I could watch for a while, so if you like not blinking then have fun.

I want ALL of your gifs that contain Crona.

ha, lol, im the highest being actually, but whatever, and yeah, grammar, my english is better than urs i bet, but no, i have to use PERFECT grammar on the internet, if you cuss someones grammar then it shows u have no argument left

Well I'm the top of my English class and the top of most English classes for that matter, and if you're better than me at English, then why don't you show it? And I juxtaposed your poor grammar and another point to show that I wasn't down to my last argument but you obviously couldn't pick up on that. Now, why are you saying that these girls are "fat lesbians"? They are by no stretch of the imagination fat, and high-school girls will pick on anyone for any reason, but maybe you'll learn that when you get there kid.

juxtaposed
wow, u are trying so hard, just... im done

Juxtaposed isn't even a big word, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean I'm trying hard, this is just casual language for me.

So who's out of arguments now? I make a point and your can't get past the vocabulary.

You truly are one of the lowest form of life.

lol k, sure i dont undertand... omg.... the sides, they hurt... thanks for ur sadness m8, made my day

Sadness, where are you getting this emotion from, your stupidity is beyond anything I have ever seen. There is nothing in any of these comments to indicate any kind of sadness.

You're pathetic.

have a happy... watever a life you have, im enjoying mine thus far

So you're not even going to try and speak correct English? You truly are a poor, poor shell of a boy.

nah cbf, cbf to talk to u now, i feel like doing someting else, sry

cbf?cbf? What the fuck does that even mean? This is why grammar is important, not everyone uses internet colloquialisms. Is it really too much work to type it out in full?

???????????????? im not even gona...

...What word tripped you up this time?

Of course, it's not because high-school girls will do ANYTHING to pick at others. You judgemental cunt.

nah, highschool girls will pick on two fat lesbians, natural

If you're trying to be a troll, you're failing like fuck. And no, they weren't depicted as fat. Popular high school girls will do whatever they can to put someone else down. Now leave this site and go fuck yourself.

nah, im not trolling, no im not going to leave this site, yes i might masterbate later, and yes they are fat lesbians,

Someone is an absolute cunt. And if you could see, they aren't depicted as fat, you fucking retard. I also like how you pointed out that you were going to fap. Woop de fucking do, you're a real man son! Oh wait, you'll never be a man, you fucking cretin.

ha k, nothing else to say, i would just end up repeating, ps cut urself

Cut myself? No thanks, I'm happy where I am, whereas you have to insult people to get attention. And you just lost the fucking argument. PEACE.

There are still parents who do not accept their child's homosexuality.

Society hasn't fully changed and probably never will.