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#424 - goodadventures
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Modern society creates your morals, the christian bible calls for slavery and treats women as a second class citizen, but you know this to be wrong (hopefully) which wasn't and didn't need to be taught to you through religion.

It's very arrogant to believe you need religion for morals and to me it seems also very insulting to religious people, it implies your actions are simply done for the belief in a reward of eternal paradise and a fear of eternal torture.
#430 to #424 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
If society creates your morality, why would one feel that murder is innately wrong?

I'm just arguing here for the sake of it, by the way.
#457 to #430 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Golden Rule
#460 to #457 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
No Mr. Aristotle.

Leaves nao.


How does one determine the golden rule, that is, if morality is subjective.
#463 to #460 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
"One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated" Don't kill if you don't like being murdered, what's so subjective about that?
#466 to #463 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
The fact that not everyone wants to be treated the same?
#467 to #466 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Then they are dicks.
#468 to #467 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
'Not everyone thinks the same as you, therefore they are dicks.'

Is that what you're saying?
#469 to #468 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
We have an appropriate saying where i live:
"If Kali steals a cow, it's a good deed. If someone steals a cow from Kali, it's a bad deed."
Are you saying that it's OK to think like Kali? I don't and i'll never accept such thing. If someone is unwilling to follow the most basic rules that are essential to be a part of society, then yes, that someone is a dick.
#470 to #469 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
All that I can say is that I would not condone it.

But you still haven't answered my question: how can one identify and quantify an arbitrary rule?
#471 to #470 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
The Golden rule is the closest answer i can give, since there is no such thing as an arbitrary rule. We, as humanity, chose to condemn certain behaviors, because they act as a detriment to society we built. That's all there is to it, whether you like it or not.
#472 to #471 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
And I am saying that the Golden Rule is not a satisfactory answer for you to give, and that you should endeavour to explore this in your own time, not out of spite of myself. But because it ought to be done.

If you are indeed an advocate of Aristotle, you ought to agree.
#474 to #472 - kaszak
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I'm no one's advocate. I'm not arguing with you out of spite, i do it because arguing on the internet is fun :). I'm quite happy with Golden or "Don't be dicks to each other" rule as source of my morality, and i need nothing more.
#476 to #474 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Well, considering that the Golden Rule is Aristotle's staple for moral virtue and good, I though that you were arguing for that case.
#478 to #476 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Nope, i'm just an humble engineer, i did not study Aristotle's philosophy. My grasp on philosophy in general is at high school level at best.
#480 to #478 - notsixroller
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Ah, well okay. :3

Clearly you are interested in virtue based ethics, so here's a link.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-virtue/
You need to login to view this link (a UK based pre-university qualification, simple, yet concise).
#486 to #480 - kaszak
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Thanks, i'll get through these.
#366 - Sylphion
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Religion or not, there's still a loose sense of what's right and wrong. I mean really, was there really a point in the Crusades? Hundreds of thousands of people slaughtering each other in the name of their gods/who gets dibs on Jerusalem, kind of pointless in my opinion.

On the other hand, not believing in whatever god that the majority of your society doesn't mean that you can do whatever the **** you want without fear of divine retribution, there's still something called the law, which can be horribly painful to go against
#337 - sigmundisdabest
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(11/26/2012) [-]
because that **** is plain wrong and you will go to jail?....
#328 - alexthecanadian
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#298 - sotalokki
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Because 20 years of jail and I don't need religion to be a good person.
Because 20 years of jail and I don't need religion to be a good person.
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#243 - malhaloc
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(11/26/2012) [-]
I haven't even looked at the comments but I would assume I could expect a storm of ****** proportions.
#215 - occamsrazor
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#173 - mrblueftw ONLINE
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even a atheist has to agree,
without the fear of hell do you know how much **** the 2 billion christians would do?
#177 to #173 - mussyo
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(11/26/2012) [-]
yeah, imagine if they didn't have religion, they might have committed mass murder or something.

oh wait.
#171 - tredbear
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(11/26/2012) [-]
so because I have no religion, i have no purpose in life? huh, i was wanting to be a leader of a country, but apparently people without a religion can't accomplish their goals in life. Isn't that weird? This is one large reason why I have no religion, because that is their excuse to help rid the "atheists" of the planet, My purpose in life is to enjoy it while it lasts, so no Religious asshole is going to bring me down.
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#137 to #126 - anon
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Except that agnostic means "without knowledge." Actively pursuing a state of not knowing requires that you reject knowledge, thereby making you willfully ignorant. Anyone actually rejecting knowledge is a fool.
#140 to #137 - anon
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"a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience." (dictionary.com) Its not exactly ignorance its just stating hey i dont give a **** both of you (referring to atheism and religion) will never know anyway.
#149 to #126 - cullenatorguy
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(11/26/2012) [-]
accept you need to stop being stupid and look up the actual definition of religion. Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Simple as that.
#139 to #126 - noblexfenrir
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Agnsoticism does not refer to belief, only knowledge. Atheism is ridiculous to call a religion because as you said, you are choosing not to believe something. All you are doing is refuting the claim made by another person. In this sense not playing football is a sport (not collecting stamps in a hobby, etc etc. These have been expressed many times before so I feel little need to repeat them)

Conversion is in relation to a transition, I hardly see how this makes atheism a religion.
#141 to #139 - noblexfenrir
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Agnosticism*

and to expand on that point:

Is there a god?

Yes/No-Gnostic
I don't know- Agnsotic

Do you believe in god?

Yes-Theist
No-Atheist
#160 to #126 - noopis
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Atheism really isn't a religion but some Atheists treat it as a religion. Instead of worshiping a God they worship Richard Dawkins and start arguments with religious folks and insult them. You can also be Agnostic and an Atheist at the same time. I'm Agnostic because I realize there is no way to know for certain whether there is or isn't a God, but I'm an Atheist because I don't believe there is a God or any supernatural ********. Regardless I still respect other people's religious beliefs as long as they aren't hostile towards my lack of faith.
#93 - NexusSeven
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Because...What if you're wrong?
#83 - randolphthebeast
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(11/26/2012) [-]
This is why religious people don't like atheists. They think that we are all immoral bastards.
#75 - stickandmove
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(11/26/2012) [-]
If anything we (atheists) are offered more incentive to treat others well. This life is the only one we've got. Why waste it?
#28 - tenaciousjon
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Assuming that being Christian/Catholic/Generally believing in God means being a good person.

It actually has nothing to do with being good. It just means believing in God and doing what he says for you to do.
#7 - curses
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(11/25/2012) [-]
Christians people here's a food for thought for you guys.

Do you follow EVERY rule in the Bible?

If not, why not?
To brutal or savage you say? But it's in the Bible. Word of God or book of God.
God made the rules and you should kinda follow them.

But if you do not do that, you've made up your own moral without the need of your God. So now you've created a new set of morals for yourself like any other good person would have done when they encounter such savage laws in a holy book.

This moral is most likely better than what God had in mind as well. So ask yourself this, do you REALLY need God to be a good person?
#403 - anon
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(11/26/2012) [-]
And in christianity Jesus died for humanitys sins I guess that means future and past so what is the point of a christian person being a nice person?
#292 - lastofthedovakhiin
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Jail?
#167 - navac
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(11/26/2012) [-]
Because good morals?
#12 - fargone
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(11/25/2012) [-]
Because I feel I have a duty to my species and forefathers to not **** things up for my progeny.
#17 to #12 - Crusader
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(11/25/2012) [-]
What if your progeny is a bunch of stupid *****?
What if everyone is a bunch of stupid *****?