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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#440 - goodeater
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yeah, that's flawless.
yeah, that's flawless.
#427 - notsixroller
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'If you don't believe in God, you have no morality!'   
   
The Atheist and Agnostic's worst nightmare. Because it's watertight reasoning.   
   
Yep...   
   
Totally...   
   
Watertight...
'If you don't believe in God, you have no morality!'

The Atheist and Agnostic's worst nightmare. Because it's watertight reasoning.

Yep...

Totally...

Watertight...
User avatar #416 - newdriskollgaming
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Jail
User avatar #327 - dovakiin
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atheists actually have a stronger reaction to empathy than religious people
#333 to #327 - anon id: 685519c7
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you know them all, don't you? :)
User avatar #495 to #333 - dovakiin
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i didn't say i was atheist. the nine divines is all i need
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#212 - executorchunk
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Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the **** I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".    
   
First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.    
   
Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the **** I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".

First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.

Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
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User avatar #228 to #212 - noblexfenrir
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"Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion"

No it doesn't.

"deeming the answers to it "unknowable""
So that justified belief?

". I want to believe there is a god/afterlife"
Because you want to, doesn't make it real.

"But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that."
So "god did it"? Nice use of the scientific process you say you hold so highly.



Agnostic is not a determination of belief, it is of knowledge. If you believe in a god you are a THEIST. Very simple stuff mate.

", I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person."
Well on the web alot of people are informed on what agnostic means, so they don't use the word wrong.
User avatar #240 to #228 - executorchunk
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Hey hold on, you're turning around everything on me. I am the complete opposite of being "uneducated" and using the wrong wording, I took up religion in a well respected university and had this discussion with my instructor who is a pastor. I also wrote multiple papers on this subject. Trust me I did ALOT of research on this.

Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. You are also misunderstanding my "scientific" beliefs. Look, I believe in the laws of nature, as I said. BUT, I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection. We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances? There's things in this world we don't understand it.

Is it superficial, made by a god? Or can science explain it once again? Simply put the answer is "unknowable". We may never know. I would never call myself a theist, maybe there is a more general term for what I believe. But what I learned in college sometimes is also ********, who knows, maybe my professor blew smoke up my ass for being anti-religious. Maybe I'm just a straight up atheist.
User avatar #249 to #240 - noblexfenrir
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(post 2)

"can science explain it once again?"

Yes it can, because science is literally the process of examining and researching to find an answer.

" I would never call myself a theist"
Do you believe in a god? If so you are a theist.
Do you not? Then you are an atheist.

User avatar #247 to #240 - noblexfenrir
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As have I, and I never said you were uneducated, just that you didn't understand what you were saying.

"Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. "

You can say it does, however what agnosticism actually is doesn't justify in believing something is reality. First, which has been explained, agnosticism has nothing to do with belief, only knowledge. Specifically "I don't know". I don't know does not justify a belief because it specifically requires you to admit there is no conclusive evidence towards a specific idea. Now please tell me objectively how a determination of reality can arise from "I don't know"? and faith does not count.

" I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection"

Ofcourse science doesn't know everything yet, science is a process used by humans and humans are not omniscient hence neither would science be. and so what if it is? We base our knowledge off of the reality around us, thought experiments like "what if we are a 2D projection" are moot points because of that.

"We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances?"
and we don't know if there are no parallel universes at all. These are thought experiments with no evidence to support them, to use them to support belief is laughably ignorant. Also...we can explain quantum entanglement. The running idea is because of the nature of quantum mechanics the way we see the fields of time and space are perceived differently for subatomic and likewise particles. (This also perpetuates support for ideas like probable causality which runs off the same premise.)
#224 to #212 - kaszak
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Most of thinking, sane atheists are also agnostic. Perhaps there is some kind of higher power, perhaps there is not, we have no way to know that at the moment. The misconception that "atheists know that gods do not exist" is because that most atheists know that there is no christian, muslim, jewish, nordic, greek, or any other gods represented by established, organized religion. These can be disproved, because they are explained in detail in their own holy texts and myths, and if myth is proven false, so is god they represent.
#227 to #224 - executorchunk
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Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
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Hello, theist here, not looking for a fight, I'm genuinely curious. I understand that atheists can still have morals, but can someone who doesn't believe in an ultimate authority believe in absolute morality? In other words, to any atheists out there, what do you base your morality on?
#179 to #174 - tyl
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You believe what you believe. Your morals are actually based on yourself believing in a higher power, not the higher power itself. Atheist morals come from themselves as well.
#186 to #174 - ssjlink
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My morals are based on how I would prefer others to think/act. While this will never happen, it would be awesome to live in a world without complete assholes, and I try not to be one for this reason. Same goes for stealing, murder, etc.
Basically the whole "Treat others how you want to be treated" thing.
User avatar #176 to #174 - mussyo
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social conscience. what is better for society and what is not.
Simple objective things.
User avatar #196 to #174 - petard
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I base my morality on my own thoughts about the world around me. I am able to look at the world from an objective perspective and using logic and common sense decide how my morality will play out. I don't believe in the general rules people have set, I have my own way of judging things and I will stick to it even if it gets me killed in a highly religious place.
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User avatar #107 - deathleprechaun
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved.
#90 - blahblahcubed
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The biggest problem nowadays is that the majority of atheists are people who really have no actual concept of the term and just choose to say they are atheist because it makes them think they sound smart. Now, I don't have a problem with atheists or theists and am not religious in the least; I just think that a lot of people who talk about their superiority due to them calling themselves atheists only harms that atheist point of view in the long run.
#76 - stianx
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Not believing in hell and jail is two completely different things. I've said it everytime I've seen this post, and I'm going to say it again. If it weren't for laws and jail, religion still couldn't keep loads of people from being killed.
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becuase you will be escorted by the constabulary to the penitentiary where a large gentleman named tyrone will violate your hindquarters.
#298 - sotalokki
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Because 20 years of jail and I don't need religion to be a good person.
Because 20 years of jail and I don't need religion to be a good person.
#296 - carlsagouin
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Because religion isn't necessary for being a "good" person ?

(I got the funny, don't worry)
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Except that agnostic means "without knowledge." Actively pursuing a state of not knowing requires that you reject knowledge, thereby making you willfully ignorant. Anyone actually rejecting knowledge is a fool.
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"a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience." (dictionary.com) Its not exactly ignorance its just stating hey i dont give a **** both of you (referring to atheism and religion) will never know anyway.
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accept you need to stop being stupid and look up the actual definition of religion. Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Simple as that.
User avatar #139 to #126 - noblexfenrir
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Agnsoticism does not refer to belief, only knowledge. Atheism is ridiculous to call a religion because as you said, you are choosing not to believe something. All you are doing is refuting the claim made by another person. In this sense not playing football is a sport (not collecting stamps in a hobby, etc etc. These have been expressed many times before so I feel little need to repeat them)

Conversion is in relation to a transition, I hardly see how this makes atheism a religion.
User avatar #141 to #139 - noblexfenrir
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Agnosticism*

and to expand on that point:

Is there a god?

Yes/No-Gnostic
I don't know- Agnsotic

Do you believe in god?

Yes-Theist
No-Atheist
User avatar #160 to #126 - noopis
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Atheism really isn't a religion but some Atheists treat it as a religion. Instead of worshiping a God they worship Richard Dawkins and start arguments with religious folks and insult them. You can also be Agnostic and an Atheist at the same time. I'm Agnostic because I realize there is no way to know for certain whether there is or isn't a God, but I'm an Atheist because I don't believe there is a God or any supernatural ********. Regardless I still respect other people's religious beliefs as long as they aren't hostile towards my lack of faith.
#75 - stickandmove
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If anything we (atheists) are offered more incentive to treat others well. This life is the only one we've got. Why waste it?
User avatar #39 - doodnotheface
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Just because the bible (any of them) teaches morals doesn't mean it's the only place to get them. (yeah other religious texts too I guess)