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User avatar #416 - newdriskollgaming (11/26/2012) [-]
Jail
User avatar #327 - dovakiin (11/26/2012) [-]
atheists actually have a stronger reaction to empathy than religious people
#333 to #327 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
you know them all, don't you? :)
User avatar #495 to #333 - dovakiin (11/27/2012) [-]
i didn't say i was atheist. the nine divines is all i need
#303 - cazabrow ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
Because I have morals....   
   
   
and most people feel guilt
Because I have morals....


and most people feel guilt
#288 - tentaquil (11/26/2012) [-]
BE ADVISED
BE ADVISED
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#172 - whywouldyou (11/26/2012) [-]
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#159 to #150 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
ever heard of sarcasm bro?
#197 to #159 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit....i got that from somewhere, found a good place to use it. k pl0x thx bye.
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User avatar #107 - deathleprechaun (11/26/2012) [-]
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved.
#76 - stianx ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
Not believing in hell and jail is two completely different things. I've said it everytime I've seen this post, and I'm going to say it again. If it weren't for laws and jail, religion still couldn't keep loads of people from being killed.
User avatar #26 - imagnetsux (11/26/2012) [-]
becuase you will be escorted by the constabulary to the penitentiary where a large gentleman named tyrone will violate your hindquarters.
User avatar #343 - charagrin (11/26/2012) [-]
I am athiest, and a good person. And technically that makes my good will more valid then a religious persons good will. I am a good person for the sake of being a good person, a religious person is a good person for the reward. And even if they were a good person for the sake of being a good person, they do so believing that they will get rewarded, which kind of taints their whole view. It's kind of like doing chores, a good kid will do a chore because it is a responsibility, another good kid will do it for allowance. etc.
#344 to #343 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
What a bunch of crap.
User avatar #346 to #344 - charagrin (11/26/2012) [-]
How so. Those who do good without reward are the truly deserving. Basic logic. A good example would be: Who would you rather have as a friend, a friend who truly likes you, or a friend who truly likes you when you give him/her stuff?
User avatar #352 to #346 - DoktorHax (11/26/2012) [-]
consider the following; god is not supposed to be your friend. he is supposed to be your creator, which means he can do what the hell he wants. the whole bible is about handing the free will he gave you back. that ***** hard to do. its not just say 3 hail mary's and your sins are forgiven. blah blah blah, im drunk, **** you.
User avatar #355 to #352 - charagrin (11/26/2012) [-]
I agree, if he exists then his will would be law as his will is ultimate power, but power does not equal truth. Even if a all powerful deity who created everything does exist, his idea of right and wrong are just that, his idea. No more, no less. That is why I do not like the idea of the Christian God in general, nothing against those who do, I just do not. He gave us free will and encourages us to think for ourselves, then penalizes us for questioning everything and doing as we please. That is like giving a kid a toy, telling him to play and have fun with it, then grounding him when he does.
User avatar #361 to #355 - DoktorHax (11/26/2012) [-]
well, he wants you to see the toy, realise that the toy will get you nowhere fast, and hand the toy back because all it leads to is a generation of slutty, small minded idiots. if used like people want it to be used. but when one reads the bible all the way through, not just all the baby sweet jesus crap, one realises that it is not a bad way to live. too many people look at one person, or a group of people that are using it as an excuse to do whatever they want, because "hey man, its an age of grace! we can do whatever we want because we are instantly forgiven!"
User avatar #362 to #361 - charagrin (11/26/2012) [-]
A good point. What also always annoyed me was his Omnipotence. If he knows everything whether it has happened or not, then he knows what we will do. This means that a pedophile rapist murderer could rape and kill a child, and repent and go to Heaven. This means God knew he was going to commit horrible acts before he did them, and rewarded him for it. This also means he sentenced the child to a horrible death, and hell.
User avatar #365 to #362 - DoktorHax (11/26/2012) [-]
god gave us FREE WILL. we have the ability to do what we want to. and no, neither you nor i dont get why that **** happens, but remember, if that rapist has not truly repented, as in, weeping and gnashing of teeth style, and actually means his repentance, he will havew to answer for every soul that he damaged. though i personally think that pedophilia is an unforgivable sin, because, "do unto the children, and you have done unto me". or something similar. what the biblke says that god wants is for us to conquer the flesh, or in other words, give the free will back.
#369 to #365 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
I'm not really religious or anything like that, but didn't the devil give humans free will?
User avatar #433 to #369 - charagrin (11/26/2012) [-]
Satan convinced Adam and Eve to eat of the Tree Of Knowledge, whether that gave free will, self awareness, or whatever else is up to interpretation.
User avatar #370 to #369 - DoktorHax (11/26/2012) [-]
cant tell if trolling, or just stupid...
#350 to #343 - DoktorHax (11/26/2012) [-]
smile.jpg will eat your soul.
#341 - oversoul (11/26/2012) [-]
because of the ethic
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#212 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the 			****		 I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".    
   
First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.    
   
Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the **** I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".

First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.

Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
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User avatar #228 to #212 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
"Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion"

No it doesn't.

"deeming the answers to it "unknowable""
So that justified belief?

". I want to believe there is a god/afterlife"
Because you want to, doesn't make it real.

"But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that."
So "god did it"? Nice use of the scientific process you say you hold so highly.



Agnostic is not a determination of belief, it is of knowledge. If you believe in a god you are a THEIST. Very simple stuff mate.

", I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person."
Well on the web alot of people are informed on what agnostic means, so they don't use the word wrong.
User avatar #240 to #228 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Hey hold on, you're turning around everything on me. I am the complete opposite of being "uneducated" and using the wrong wording, I took up religion in a well respected university and had this discussion with my instructor who is a pastor. I also wrote multiple papers on this subject. Trust me I did ALOT of research on this.

Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. You are also misunderstanding my "scientific" beliefs. Look, I believe in the laws of nature, as I said. BUT, I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection. We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances? There's things in this world we don't understand it.

Is it superficial, made by a god? Or can science explain it once again? Simply put the answer is "unknowable". We may never know. I would never call myself a theist, maybe there is a more general term for what I believe. But what I learned in college sometimes is also ******** , who knows, maybe my professor blew smoke up my ass for being anti-religious. Maybe I'm just a straight up atheist.
User avatar #249 to #240 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
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"can science explain it once again?"

Yes it can, because science is literally the process of examining and researching to find an answer.

" I would never call myself a theist"
Do you believe in a god? If so you are a theist.
Do you not? Then you are an atheist.

User avatar #247 to #240 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
As have I, and I never said you were uneducated, just that you didn't understand what you were saying.

"Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. "

You can say it does, however what agnosticism actually is doesn't justify in believing something is reality. First, which has been explained, agnosticism has nothing to do with belief, only knowledge. Specifically "I don't know". I don't know does not justify a belief because it specifically requires you to admit there is no conclusive evidence towards a specific idea. Now please tell me objectively how a determination of reality can arise from "I don't know"? and faith does not count.

" I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection"

Ofcourse science doesn't know everything yet, science is a process used by humans and humans are not omniscient hence neither would science be. and so what if it is? We base our knowledge off of the reality around us, thought experiments like "what if we are a 2D projection" are moot points because of that.

"We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances?"
and we don't know if there are no parallel universes at all. These are thought experiments with no evidence to support them, to use them to support belief is laughably ignorant. Also...we can explain quantum entanglement. The running idea is because of the nature of quantum mechanics the way we see the fields of time and space are perceived differently for subatomic and likewise particles. (This also perpetuates support for ideas like probable causality which runs off the same premise.)
#224 to #212 - kaszak (11/26/2012) [-]
Most of thinking, sane atheists are also agnostic. Perhaps there is some kind of higher power, perhaps there is not, we have no way to know that at the moment. The misconception that "atheists know that gods do not exist" is because that most atheists know that there is no christian, muslim, jewish, nordic, greek, or any other gods represented by established, organized religion. These can be disproved, because they are explained in detail in their own holy texts and myths, and if myth is proven false, so is god they represent.
#227 to #224 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
User avatar #128 - Whatwhat (11/26/2012) [-]
Kill one man, or kill a dozen. It's all the same. They can only hang you once, right?
User avatar #93 - NexusSeven (11/26/2012) [-]
Because...What if you're wrong?
#174 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
Hello, theist here, not looking for a fight, I'm genuinely curious. I understand that atheists can still have morals, but can someone who doesn't believe in an ultimate authority believe in absolute morality? In other words, to any atheists out there, what do you base your morality on?
#179 to #174 - tyl (11/26/2012) [-]
You believe what you believe. Your morals are actually based on yourself believing in a higher power, not the higher power itself. Atheist morals come from themselves as well.
#186 to #174 - ssjlink (11/26/2012) [-]
My morals are based on how I would prefer others to think/act. While this will never happen, it would be awesome to live in a world without complete assholes, and I try not to be one for this reason. Same goes for stealing, murder, etc.
Basically the whole "Treat others how you want to be treated" thing.
User avatar #176 to #174 - mussyo (11/26/2012) [-]
social conscience. what is better for society and what is not.
Simple objective things.
User avatar #196 to #174 - petard (11/26/2012) [-]
I base my morality on my own thoughts about the world around me. I am able to look at the world from an objective perspective and using logic and common sense decide how my morality will play out. I don't believe in the general rules people have set, I have my own way of judging things and I will stick to it even if it gets me killed in a highly religious place.
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#137 to #126 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
Except that agnostic means "without knowledge." Actively pursuing a state of not knowing requires that you reject knowledge, thereby making you willfully ignorant. Anyone actually rejecting knowledge is a fool.
#140 to #137 - anon (11/26/2012) [-]
"a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience." (dictionary.com) Its not exactly ignorance its just stating hey i dont give a **** both of you (referring to atheism and religion) will never know anyway.
User avatar #149 to #126 - cullenatorguy (11/26/2012) [-]
accept you need to stop being stupid and look up the actual definition of religion. Atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Simple as that.
User avatar #139 to #126 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
Agnsoticism does not refer to belief, only knowledge. Atheism is ridiculous to call a religion because as you said, you are choosing not to believe something. All you are doing is refuting the claim made by another person. In this sense not playing football is a sport (not collecting stamps in a hobby, etc etc. These have been expressed many times before so I feel little need to repeat them)

Conversion is in relation to a transition, I hardly see how this makes atheism a religion.
User avatar #141 to #139 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
Agnosticism*

and to expand on that point:

Is there a god?

Yes/No-Gnostic
I don't know- Agnsotic

Do you believe in god?

Yes-Theist
No-Atheist
User avatar #160 to #126 - noopis (11/26/2012) [-]
Atheism really isn't a religion but some Atheists treat it as a religion. Instead of worshiping a God they worship Richard Dawkins and start arguments with religious folks and insult them. You can also be Agnostic and an Atheist at the same time. I'm Agnostic because I realize there is no way to know for certain whether there is or isn't a God, but I'm an Atheist because I don't believe there is a God or any supernatural ******** . Regardless I still respect other people's religious beliefs as long as they aren't hostile towards my lack of faith.
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