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#252 - bluejupiter (11/26/2012) [-]
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#250 - 4chan refugee (11/26/2012) [-]
There is this thing called prison.
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#248 - amandatoddd **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#245 - ludislavonac (11/26/2012) [-]
Atteeeenshun, religion thread/						*********					 in the comments, commence retreat
Atteeeenshun, religion thread/ ********* in the comments, commence retreat
#251 to #245 - anaphase (11/26/2012) [-]
********* confirmed, retreat in progress, Captain.
#244 - snaresinger (11/26/2012) [-]
I have the same thought all the time. There is no objective good or evil. I think, 'why don't I just go kill people and **** bitches?'

Then I realize that those things are only subjectively fun fantasies, which come with subjectively terrible punishments. And no matter how universally meaningless a punishment may be, it still sucks, on a human level, to get ********** in prison. So I guess I'll just take my shallow, subjective fun like a good member of society (and maybe **** bitches whenever I can).
User avatar #257 to #244 - amuter (11/26/2012) [-]
I just care about life, simple as that...
#254 to #244 - justtocomment (11/26/2012) [-]
You, sir, just summed up why Philosophy is irrelevant outside of philosophic conversation.
User avatar #255 to #254 - snaresinger (11/26/2012) [-]
I know. I became so obsessed with studying philosophical concepts before finally realizing, "I can argue that there is no such thing as pain all I want, it still hurts like a bitch to get punched in the nose." Living objectively = highly enlightened, but not at all practical.
User avatar #243 - malhaloc (11/26/2012) [-]
I haven't even looked at the comments but I would assume I could expect a storm of ****** proportions.
User avatar #241 - ryukyukids (11/26/2012) [-]
Why don't you do the same and just repent?
#233 - godofcodes (11/26/2012) [-]
She's right.
User avatar #218 - jjristine (11/26/2012) [-]
Ive just recently become an athiest. Where do you guys believe you go when you die?
#294 to #218 - 4chan refugee (11/26/2012) [-]
You get reborn, that's what.
User avatar #246 to #218 - snaresinger (11/26/2012) [-]
"You" are the exchange of calcium ions in your brain which create an extremely realistic illusion of consciousness (which doesn't exist). You are simply a machine that thinks it can feel. When your consciousness fades, all that happens is ions stop being exchanged. A few more mechanical things take place before they run out of fuel and you cease to function. So since you are universally meaningless, go **** bitches and have a good time. It doesn't matter, but it sure is awesome. Do what feels right, which may or may not include being a good person.

I became an atheist about three months ago and have done nothing but ponder this since.
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User avatar #225 to #218 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
Atheism makes no claim on that. You simply are just saying you don't believe in a god.

I personally just say once you're dead, you're dead. In the ground, cease of consciousness, etc etc what have you.
User avatar #222 to #218 - beatmasterz (11/26/2012) [-]
You're atheist because you believe certain things, not the other way around.
User avatar #302 to #222 - beatmasterz (11/26/2012) [-]
I meant you're atheist because you don't believe in god, not like you decide to be atheist so you can't believe in god.
#220 to #218 - 4chan refugee (11/26/2012) [-]
the ground
#214 - tetragramozoid (11/26/2012) [-]
In case anyone wants it,
#287 to #214 - maxbeejax (11/26/2012) [-]
Thanks :D
Thanks :D
#212 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the 						****					 I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".    
   
First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.    
   
Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
Is anyone here a goddamn AGNOSTIC? Seriously, I tell people that and they have no idea what the **** I'm talking about. It's a "middle of the road" point of view on religion. In fact, I am a rare breed, a "spiritual agnostic".

First off, my main main beliefs are in SCIENCE. Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion, deeming the answers to it "unknowable". I believe in the laws of nature, I honestly don't think that a god or gods created the heavens, universe, and everything. Yet besides that, this is still a slightly religious side of me. I want to believe there is a god/afterlife, I want to think that god has made a place for me in the world, I want to believe that what goes around comes around. But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that.

Sorry, not trying to start a religious war ground here, it's just the way I feel. I'm curious if there is anyone like me who is an agnostic, I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person.
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User avatar #228 to #212 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
"Being an agnostic justifies my beliefs in religion"

No it doesn't.

"deeming the answers to it "unknowable""
So that justified belief?

". I want to believe there is a god/afterlife"
Because you want to, doesn't make it real.

"But the scientific part of me doesn't explain any of that."
So "god did it"? Nice use of the scientific process you say you hold so highly.



Agnostic is not a determination of belief, it is of knowledge. If you believe in a god you are a THEIST. Very simple stuff mate.

", I've never met anyone like that on the web or in person."
Well on the web alot of people are informed on what agnostic means, so they don't use the word wrong.
User avatar #240 to #228 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Hey hold on, you're turning around everything on me. I am the complete opposite of being "uneducated" and using the wrong wording, I took up religion in a well respected university and had this discussion with my instructor who is a pastor. I also wrote multiple papers on this subject. Trust me I did ALOT of research on this.

Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. You are also misunderstanding my "scientific" beliefs. Look, I believe in the laws of nature, as I said. BUT, I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection. We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances? There's things in this world we don't understand it.

Is it superficial, made by a god? Or can science explain it once again? Simply put the answer is "unknowable". We may never know. I would never call myself a theist, maybe there is a more general term for what I believe. But what I learned in college sometimes is also ******** , who knows, maybe my professor blew smoke up my ass for being anti-religious. Maybe I'm just a straight up atheist.
User avatar #249 to #240 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
(post 2)

"can science explain it once again?"

Yes it can, because science is literally the process of examining and researching to find an answer.

" I would never call myself a theist"
Do you believe in a god? If so you are a theist.
Do you not? Then you are an atheist.

User avatar #247 to #240 - noblexfenrir (11/26/2012) [-]
As have I, and I never said you were uneducated, just that you didn't understand what you were saying.

"Being agnostic DOES justify my beliefs in a region, there's no way you say it can't. It is it's own idea itself, as I said, a middle of the road view where beliefs in either argument are unknowable. "

You can say it does, however what agnosticism actually is doesn't justify in believing something is reality. First, which has been explained, agnosticism has nothing to do with belief, only knowledge. Specifically "I don't know". I don't know does not justify a belief because it specifically requires you to admit there is no conclusive evidence towards a specific idea. Now please tell me objectively how a determination of reality can arise from "I don't know"? and faith does not count.

" I do feel that science doesn't know/explain everything yet. For instance, we don't know if the world around us is nothing more than a 2D projection"

Ofcourse science doesn't know everything yet, science is a process used by humans and humans are not omniscient hence neither would science be. and so what if it is? We base our knowledge off of the reality around us, thought experiments like "what if we are a 2D projection" are moot points because of that.

"We don't know that there is an opposite or parallel universe out there where a god DOES exist. WE can't even explain quantum entanglement, how can two particles in the universe interact with one another across vast distances?"
and we don't know if there are no parallel universes at all. These are thought experiments with no evidence to support them, to use them to support belief is laughably ignorant. Also...we can explain quantum entanglement. The running idea is because of the nature of quantum mechanics the way we see the fields of time and space are perceived differently for subatomic and likewise particles. (This also perpetuates support for ideas like probable causality which runs off the same premise.)
#224 to #212 - kaszak (11/26/2012) [-]
Most of thinking, sane atheists are also agnostic. Perhaps there is some kind of higher power, perhaps there is not, we have no way to know that at the moment. The misconception that "atheists know that gods do not exist" is because that most atheists know that there is no christian, muslim, jewish, nordic, greek, or any other gods represented by established, organized religion. These can be disproved, because they are explained in detail in their own holy texts and myths, and if myth is proven false, so is god they represent.
#227 to #224 - executorchunk (11/26/2012) [-]
Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
Huh, that is an interesting chart... so many sub categories! I never call myself an "atheist" because I don't feel like I am an extreme, anti-religious person. I have a close friend who is atheist and he is just so one sided, people like them they just seem to not believe in anything religious. Like you said, no gods, no religions, nothing. I feel that way but I am not completely opposed to the idea. I'm going to look more into your chart, thanks for sharing that.
User avatar #210 - rattman (11/26/2012) [-]
Because heaven and hell are the only things that stop you from killing people.
#207 - TheCodFather (11/26/2012) [-]
EXISTENTIALISM UP IN THIS PLACE BITCHES!!!!
#201 - zangonest (11/26/2012) [-]
pls i do dis evry dey
pls i do dis evry dey
#235 to #201 - godofcodes (11/26/2012) [-]
pls
pls
User avatar #200 - MegaAwesomeSauce (11/26/2012) [-]
Atheism implies that your belief is that religion is a man made creation. Man made creation implies that all of the values included in religion are made by men. Morals are just naturally in humans, atheism doesn't mean you are evil, it just means that you find your own principles and morals on your own accord rather than someone else's.
User avatar #208 to #200 - ninjaminion (11/26/2012) [-]
some people just don't need the promise of eternal joy
against the threat of eternal pain
to scare them into doing the right thing
User avatar #194 - pikatchu (11/26/2012) [-]
you´re believing? why aren´t you in a abbey
User avatar #192 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
You shouldn't do something in hope of reward, and you shouldn't not do things in fear of punishment. You should do things because they are the right things to do. Anybody else care to add to this philosophy of mine?
User avatar #203 to #192 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
it's not the power a person has that makes them great, it's how they use it.
User avatar #204 to #203 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
With great power comes great responsibility.
User avatar #205 to #204 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
exactly. even the smallest of actions can have the greatest of consequences whether it be good or bad.
User avatar #206 to #205 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
The flapping of a butterfly's wing could cause a hurricane, dude step it up a notch.
User avatar #209 to #206 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
the thoughts occupied in this dimension have the power to control reality if focused, therefore it's always wise to have positive thoughts and do positive things so good can manifest itself around you.
User avatar #211 to #209 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
You win.
User avatar #213 to #211 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
why do i have this feeling that i have met you before?
User avatar #216 to #213 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
On here, or in real life?
User avatar #217 to #216 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
many places.
my brain works kind of weird though and plays out actions way in advance before they happen.
User avatar #219 to #217 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
Could you specify your name, or a place that we might have met, and the same thing happens too me all of the time, but not this time.
User avatar #223 to #219 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
the forest/city in southern oregon or on the web somewhere else, people call me the bird man and my other user name is scarletbirds on most sites, i usually have a bird on my shoulder and i wear heavy clothing during most of the year.
User avatar #226 to #223 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I live in Tennessee,and the furthest that I've ever gone out of state is Northern Alabama, and I don't usually go on other sites. Have you ever been to Tennessee? I'm in Manchester if that helps, and I usually go to Tullahoma to shop for comics.
User avatar #229 to #226 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
nope, i'm from alaska and the furthest i have gone east is reno nevada and the furthest south i have gone is palm springs, i have been in oregon for about 24 years and i'm 27 now, maybe it was on this site that i'm remembering or you sound like someone else i know and my brain is telling me there's a pattern to look for.
User avatar #231 to #229 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
That happens to me a very often, anyway that I can help?
I normally look around at my surroundings, that helps me.
User avatar #234 to #231 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
nope, then again i do manage to do the exact same things almost every single day, having the exact same thing happen was bound to happen again, the weird part is when i feel like i have a skill i know i didn't learn and i remember how to do said skill without actually learning it, if only i could figure out where the memories are coming from.
User avatar #236 to #234 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
The same damn thing happens too me.
User avatar #238 to #236 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
maybe that's why i'm getting this feeling, i have ran into a few others with the same problem and we always seem to meet like this, now that's interesting...
User avatar #239 to #238 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I found out that it happens to my aunt and my cousin from my dad's side, and too my mom, but I've never met somebody else like this.
User avatar #286 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
eww, ok see you around, smell me later.
User avatar #282 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
**novabird gives an evil looking grin**
also, i finished that bird post
User avatar #281 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
i already feel that way, you get used to it, just wait till you start answering yourself, then the real fun begins.
User avatar #284 to #281 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I'll try it as soon as Christmas break starts, college is keeping me busy. I'm going to fap now, pleas leave me alone.
User avatar #275 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
start with the first thing that pops into your head or start asking yourself questions as though you are a separate person or multiple people, try looking at yourself as though you aren't you when you ask the questions and try many answers at once, try reasoning with yourself and arguing with yourself to get answers.
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User avatar #276 to #275 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I already feel like my grip on reality is slipping, I don't think that talking to myself in that manner is going to help anything, but I'll give it a try.
User avatar #271 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
**novabird is posting more birds to torment the haters**
that's not what it's for, if you really concentrate you can perceive multiple worlds where many things are happening differently, i use it to tell if doing something will get me into trouble or be worth doing and to test the limits of reality and physics by changing the rules, i also use it to alter my sense of time.
someone once told me that it was like a dimensional antenna that allows you to absorb the past thoughts of others in the folded time stream and once you get tuned you can pull anything you want to know out of thin air, i haven't gotten quite that good yet.
User avatar #272 to #271 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I have no idea where to begin.
User avatar #265 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
ok, mwa ha ha ha.
User avatar #266 to #265 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I forgot to mention that at least on of my aunts on my mom's side does this too. She a christfag, not a christian, and she says that God has given her, in her words, "the gift of prophecy." I almost died laughing when she said that.
User avatar #263 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
requires lots of concentration and focusing on when it happens to see what else you can find.
grrr, dealing with some bird haters... check this one out.
and now i'm dealing with some bird haters...
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_gifs/4258726/Don+t+touch+me/
mwa ha ha ha.
User avatar #264 to #263 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
Keep going.
User avatar #258 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
are you kidding me? you're missing out if you don't try to expand it, it will advance your cognitive ability many times what it is right now, just remember to keep it under control or people will think your crazy when you go into information overload.
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User avatar #260 to #258 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
How would I expand it? Like I said, I've never really tried.
User avatar #259 to #258 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
Ok.
User avatar #253 to #239 - novabird ONLINE (11/26/2012) [-]
that makes things even more interesting, how many skills have you acquired, i have close to 1000 skills that i can use when the right thoughts or words are used, i can create stuff from a simple thought and build stuff from my dreams and from others dreams as long as i know how said thing is to work and can comprehend it and i can fix almost anything and much more.
User avatar #256 to #253 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
I haven't reached that level, yet. Truth be told, I never actually tried to do anything with it.
User avatar #198 to #192 - altonyc (11/26/2012) [-]
You kind of summed it up right there.

Fun fact, that was also the kind of thinking Martin Luther had for Christians.
User avatar #199 to #198 - vortexrain (11/26/2012) [-]
iwasnotawareofthat.gif
#189 - inuar (11/26/2012) [-]
because is wrong, because they are human beings who breath and feel and love and cry. just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong.   
   
   
and there is also the jail thing. you know being sentenced to life in prison, raped, tortured etc, not that i've ever devised a plan where i torture and murder everyone single person who has ever wrong me, i mean only psychos do that... >_>
because is wrong, because they are human beings who breath and feel and love and cry. just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong.


and there is also the jail thing. you know being sentenced to life in prison, raped, tortured etc, not that i've ever devised a plan where i torture and murder everyone single person who has ever wrong me, i mean only psychos do that... >_>
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