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#305 to #260 - baloonwalrus (11/04/2012) [-]
im for this notion
#258 - sweateagle (11/04/2012) [-]
<--- How many people expect the president to change America in in four years.
<--- How many people expect the president to change America in in four years.
#257 - whathappenslive (11/04/2012) [-]
Today I Canada.
User avatar #254 - noodlelover (11/04/2012) [-]
I mean isnt romney worth a try? i mean if someone does bad for four years thats a sign to not re elect them...not a die hard republican i just dont think 5 trillion dollars spent in just ONE term as president is ever a good thing....
User avatar #293 to #254 - Danzig (11/04/2012) [-]
agreed, give Romney a shot
User avatar #288 to #254 - syrialsin (11/04/2012) [-]
Not trying to start a debate here, but it only takes two weeks without food to starve to death. (justsaiyan.jpg)
User avatar #252 - gjtz (11/04/2012) [-]
I will attempt to quell all of you newfags to politics:
If Obama gets elected, hide your money.
If Romney wins, you can spend money.
User avatar #249 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
just so everyone knows, if obama is elected, with all his tax forms he's wanting to pass, our generation will be stuck with the highest tax rates america has ever seen. hope you're all ready to give our money to a corrupt government.
#246 - xmegustax (11/04/2012) [-]
inb4 red thumbs
#282 to #246 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
Also fun fact: FDR had an unemployment rate of over 14% for 7 straight years. Terrible president? not quite, it was sorta the whole great depression thing. There are a lot of factors for this information that needs to be looked at
#285 to #282 - xmegustax (11/04/2012) [-]
I'm aware of that fact and at the pace we (The US) are at now we could end up in another Great Depression with unemployment rates like that
User avatar #255 to #246 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
hey that's bull shit! he's a great speaker and a nice guy so that's impossible!



(democrat logic)
User avatar #309 to #255 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
OR! or he isn't the best president in history and anyone who thought he would be is fucking retarded. He made mistakes, big ones, but he's gotten the economy back on a path to recovery, ended one war that we've been in for the past 11 years, is in the process of ending another, killed the man responsible for 9/11, created over a million jobs (not enough though), and avoided a second great depression.

Going back to Bush policies will kill the economy. Romney hasn't given any specifics as to how he'll fix the economy. He leaves his dog on top of his car roof for a several hour long drive. He can't even treat an animal correctly, how can I trust him to treat me right? Much less an entire country?
#448 to #309 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
These kind of arguments are how you lose credibilty. How is the dog comment even relevant? I am for Obama look at my comments but this is not the way to go about it
User avatar #462 to #448 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
It states why I can't trust to him to handle the U.S. It was more of closing argument than anything.
User avatar #313 to #309 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
1. Obama made the market worse by increasing the debt
2. The job market GOT worse since he's been president (it was even better during the bush kim jongistration)
3. He may have ended one war, but put our troops into more countries, potentially starting more.
4. Navy seals are protesting in anger stating he didn't do shit. The only thing he did was say "ok" after listening to the military
5. Created a million jobs yes, but also destroyed roughly 12 million
6. Bush actually helped this country out, he might have been a retard, but he did kept this nation stable.
User avatar #323 to #313 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
I'm not going to spend the time formulating a counter argument, so just read this:
You need to login to view this link 09.html

>helped country out
Yep, bringing us down into a recession and starting two massive illegal wars is definitely helping us out. Obama had to bring in more debt in an attempt to fix what Bush broke.
User avatar #330 to #323 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
Well I think it'd be best for our country and our allies to fight to remove majority of the taliban seeing as how they attacked us and our allies multiple times over the years.

Obama has only done small stuff, any president could do that. What we need is someone who actually wants to improve this nation, get it fixed, and get us going in a positive path. Obama has failed to do so in four years, and I don't think he could do anything positive if given another four.
User avatar #337 to #330 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
Romney is treating running the U.S. like it's a business. That is not way to do things. He says he enjoys firing people, has shipped thousands of jobs over seas, and is a flip-flopping fuck who can't get is facts straight or even decide if he's pro-life or pro-choice. We're not going to do well no matter who gets elected, I just think Obama will do his best and in an honest way.
User avatar #351 to #337 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
i'd rather have jobs in other countries helping the community than allowing immigrants here to work for their own country, under their own rule (chinese in idaho).

Politics is business. Why else do you think people care about debt, deficit, importing/exporting, economy, etc. so much? America is indeed going in a shit hole right now, but I'd rather have a successful shit hole than a broke shit hole.

And it's irritating, majority of left winged people only get their romney information from colbert/stewart, or a lot of biased media. I mean 65% of media is liberal, so the only way to truly get what they're saying you need to follow both candidates instead of watching and hearing what other people translate.
User avatar #456 to #351 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
People working here work for the U.S. Everyone pays income tax. I get my information from watching both candidates. Obama is a much more honest man and actually gives details on how he plans on getting things done.
User avatar #479 to #456 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
Uh huh. How exactly does he do that?

Not true, China is in the process of buying land in Idaho for China.
User avatar #496 to #491 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
That's good that he has a plan. Too bad he hasn't done any of that during his first four years when our nation has only gone down the drain more than it has in the last 70 years. Also, I'm wondering what he's done to help the bankrupt cities.
User avatar #513 to #496 - cullenatorguy (11/04/2012) [-]
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/27/news/economy/obama-job-creation/index.html
I don't feel like really doing a ton of research just for you to prove my point on an internet argument. I'm done, it's your job as a voter to do the research needed on how he has fixed the economy. I'm sure there's a good article out there on how he actually has helped the nation.
User avatar #522 to #513 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
what i do know is that since obama has been in office:
-the national debt increased by 60%
-there's been a 25% increase of people on food stamps
-Cities have gone bankrupt
-12 million people have lost their jobs

All big issues that i think one should fix, not ignore.
#253 to #246 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
coming in during a recession has a tendency to do that
#259 to #253 - xmegustax (11/04/2012) [-]
I understand that and he did bring change like he said, bad to worse is still a change. I get that Bush left him with a shitty economy but it has become so much worse under Obama, we need someone else.
#269 to #259 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
It hasnt gotten worse tho it has gotten better, unemployment is at 7.9% right now as we speak. We have to understand that coming in doesnt mean you can just change the direction of the downswing of the economy, instead you have to try and decrease the severity of the fall which he did. Having said that though it is still going to fall because you cant just shift it all in a day or a month or even a year.
#278 to #269 - xmegustax (11/04/2012) [-]
I get that it can't be changed instantly but he hasn't brought any improvement and if he has it wasn't enough
User avatar #256 to #253 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
increasing taxes on everyone only makes it worse.
#265 to #256 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
I dont fully agree with this statement but that is a valid point. The problem is that raising taxes is sort of a requirement now. We are in too much debt to not raise them. we have to lower the national debt and stabilize the economy somehow, and in my opinion Romney's plan just doesnt seem to actually be able to address the issue. Also his social platform is straight out of the fucking 1950's
User avatar #270 to #265 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
well no shit we're too much in debt. Obama increased our national debt by 60% in 4 years.

Romney's plan is to export more and import less, as a result our country could actually make money instead of borrowing it.

His social platform works. It's better than the "socialist" perspective where the rich become poor and the poor become poorer.
#284 to #270 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
Thats not what a social platform is, im talking about his positions on women's rights, gay rights, etc.
User avatar #289 to #284 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
he's in favor of having church programs choose what they want. If a christian health clinic doesn't want to offer abortions because they think it's religiously wrong then they can't. He won't have government force them to perform them. Same goes to gays, he's not going to force churches to provide same sex marriages if they don't want to.
#297 to #289 - jakegiggs (11/04/2012) [-]
He isnt talking about churches tho, he is talking about government not issuing marriages to them and companies with christian owners not having to provide health care to people for certain things because they dont believe in it. Its more severe than just protecting the churches
User avatar #303 to #297 - DrBobsPatient (11/04/2012) [-]
Christian based companies, not because of the owners.

He's talking about not letting it be a national thing, yes, but he's wanting states to decide whether or not they will allow gay marriage to occur. He's making it so each state has equal rights to decide what they want instead of having one man (the president) be in charge of state laws without question or perspective from that states point of view.
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#243 - issoku (11/04/2012) [-]
Iceberg here, you called?
User avatar #241 - Marker ONLINE (11/04/2012) [-]
After reading the first half, I was planning on making a rebuttal, then I read the second half...
User avatar #227 - jdboi (11/04/2012) [-]
Kony 2012 anyone?
User avatar #226 - xxkosukexx (11/04/2012) [-]
Honestly, what happened is, George Bush was the captain of the titanic, crashed into an iceberg and then gave the wheel to Obama and jumped off the ship.
User avatar #233 to #226 - DrollHumor (11/04/2012) [-]
I believe it was Clinton who crashed into the iceberg, handed the wheel off to Bush who moved forward, widening the hole in the hull. I haven't payed much attention to Obama but I believe he backed up off the iceberg and has people patching the hole with dollar bills.
#234 to #233 - xxkosukexx (11/04/2012) [-]
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS! Clinton was like the best president ever. Our economy was perfect. No worries, the 90's was a fucking gem.
#277 to #234 - anonymous (11/04/2012) [-]
All I'm saying is the same signs that occurred in the late 1920's occurred in the late 1990's. Country's doing great, Banks doing what ever they want. Economic collapse could of been prevented during his term. Also NAFTA put a toll on the american economy. Bush was not a bad president he was defiantly no Abraham Lincoln but to say that america's economy was completely bush's fault is not in any way correct. Many business's, banks especially had a hand in it. My senior year of high school an economist talked to my class I quote what he said "Our economic problem is as bad as the 70's but it's just as complicated as the 1930's" Took F.D Roosevelt 2 terms to fix our hurt economy. The man before him was blamed... This story seems actually quiet familiar...
User avatar #250 to #234 - gjtz (11/04/2012) [-]
Reagan.
User avatar #236 to #234 - DrollHumor (11/04/2012) [-]
Didn't Clinton make it mandatory for banks to give loans to people even though they knew they couldn't pay it back just so everyone could own a house?

Now everyone lost their houses and we're in a fuckton of debt.
User avatar #268 to #236 - bodasion (11/04/2012) [-]
No, actually. President Clinton presided over revisions to the Community Reinvestment Act to deter discriminatory lending practices which had been empirically proved to exist while he was President.

What you're saying sounds good, but it's simplistic to the point of being erroneous. Fannie and Freddie accounted for less than 9% of the total toxic loans which precipitated an international credit crisis, and that's in the United States alone. Worldwide, Fannie and Freddie represent a much, much smaller slice of the entire picture.

Furthermore, it's absolutely absurd to declare that bad lending practices as it relates to derivatives and mortgages in one country managed to cause an international credit crisis.

Sorry, supply-side dudes, you don't know what's actually going on.
User avatar #280 to #268 - DrollHumor (11/04/2012) [-]
My statement was in the form of a question, which should portray that I have no idea what I'm talking about. It was merely what I had heard.
User avatar #281 to #280 - bodasion (11/04/2012) [-]
Fair enough, but then you followed it with a very poignant statement.

But again, fair enough. My apologies if I seemed condescending. I hope what I wrote was helpful to you.
User avatar #245 to #236 - xxkosukexx (11/04/2012) [-]
I see...
#225 - Pompano (11/04/2012) [-]
The Simpsons go political.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCIEbLMaQg
User avatar #220 - xxelizabethxx (11/04/2012) [-]
Both guys are idiots, Romney is even more of an idiot.... Why not Cell? (Carl Sherburne... JGI)
User avatar #218 - iHAXnoobs (11/04/2012) [-]
I'm confused, how did obama fuck up in one single way? everything is better sense he came into office, unemployment is down, foreign relations are better, etc.. Romney is some crazy anti gay right wing loser that for some reason people are even considering.
User avatar #295 to #218 - brisineo (11/04/2012) [-]
1. Passing an untested, expensive healthcare reform that he swore wasn't a tax but turns out it is, causing many businesses to decrease employee hours to part time to exempt themselves from paying millions.
2. Unemployment depends on the polls you look at, as some omit those who just drop out of the work force completely. Add that in, and you got 23+ million unemployed, and more are becoming unemployed than getting hired.
3. Europe is laughing at us, China is walking all over us, we're forsaking our allies, Al-Qaeda is currently a threat in over 30 countries and growing, compared to just 2 when Obama came into office, even attacking our own embassy, and Iran is not stopping it's nuclear program.

Romney is a businessman, and a quality about a businessman that we need is that he doesn't just push his own opinion, but sets a goal and makes compromises between arguing employees so that something is actually done instead of sitting there and complaining and arguing like Obama has done with Congress for the past 4 years, which is one of the many reasons why Mitt is a lot more fit for the presidency.
#239 to #218 - anonymous (11/04/2012) [-]
A few things.
1. Playing politics with the national healthcare bill. Allowing certain groups to be exempt from it to retain their favor.
2. Victim of circumstance, Gridlock in this case. To the average, uneducated nit-wit, this makes him seem bad.
User avatar #273 to #239 - bodasion (11/04/2012) [-]
1. President Obama and his kim jongistration gave several waivers to certain provisions in the PPACA not to retain favor, but to ensure that these businesses had ample time to make the correct revisions to their own policies so that they were in line with the new law. Some of those businesses had donated to his campaign, many had not. That said, those waivers are not permanent. None of them carry passed 2014.

The congresspersons played politics with the health care bill, otherwise we'd have gotten the public option instead of the individual mandate.

Finally, the CBO still predicts a net deficit reduction due to the passage of the PPACA, and it does look likely to refocus on quality of treatment instead of overall number of treatments offered, which is likely to stabilize the cost of medical treatment in America and increase life expectancy.

The bill wasn't perfect, but it's a GREAT start. It's about damn time.
#232 to #218 - anonymous (11/04/2012) [-]
It's because Obama didn't come through on some of his election promises.
Though, with the shit he walked into, I'm honestly surprised he got done as much as he did.
Personally, I'm voting for Obama if only because I at least know where he stands...
#215 - infinitereaper ONLINE (11/04/2012) [-]
The real question is:   
   
&quot;Which iceberg is smaller?&quot;   
   
personally I'd give this faggot a try, smart enough man, and he had a few decent ideas
The real question is:

"Which iceberg is smaller?"

personally I'd give this faggot a try, smart enough man, and he had a few decent ideas
User avatar #276 to #215 - bodasion (11/04/2012) [-]
He came up with a few ideas which either mirror President Obama's (foreign policy) or simply don't add up (somehow getting the Congress to vote to get rid of literally half of the 80,000 page tax code, which would be necessary to make 20% cuts to the statutory rates of all income quintiles revenue neutral).

He hasn't said anything that someone with a calculator doesn't think is stupid.
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#210 - forkzrule (11/04/2012) [-]
That's why we vote for M'aiq
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User avatar #251 to #208 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
I understand the black jokes, but in my mind there are

niggers, your everyday niggers who we alll make fun of, your watermelon, kfc eating purple drankers. (Tyrone, Towanda)

and there are black people, intelligent people who are just people with a different color.
(Obama, Martin Luther King)
User avatar #261 to #251 - gramernazi (11/04/2012) [-]
I didn't say nigger. That was just a joke but I actually don't like Obama. It's not because he's black, but because he sucks and got elected anyways. And seriously? How come people compare Obama to Martin Luther King? Seriously Obama didn't do anything important.
User avatar #267 to #261 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
You used that he is black as a bad thing, which I assumed meant nigger, which in a way it did. Obama has done a lot, he's taken down some of america's ememies, obamacare has helped my family a lot due to my mom's illness.
User avatar #271 to #267 - gramernazi (11/04/2012) [-]
But compare him to someone who set the tracks for all races coming together? And for that matter why do people praise Rosa Parks more than other people who have done way more than what she's famous for, which is literally doing nothing.
User avatar #279 to #271 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
It was honestly the only black person who did a lot of good that came to the top of my head. I'm not comparing them, I'm saying they both did a lot of good and aren't everyday niggers. Also Rosa Parks didn't do a lot but she raised awareness about the problems and made people think "Wow, maybe black people deserve some rights"
User avatar #300 to #279 - gramernazi (11/04/2012) [-]
I know but I don't find it ok to put Obama next to a great man. Martin Luther King was one of the best human beings to ever live and to categorize him like that is plain ignorant.
User avatar #509 to #300 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
Okay

There are niggers (tyrone, tawanda)
and black people (Martin Luther King, George Washington Carver etc etc)
User avatar #510 to #509 - gramernazi (11/04/2012) [-]
Good. I love Peanut Butter.
User avatar #512 to #510 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
As do I.
User avatar #515 to #512 - gramernazi (11/04/2012) [-]
As does everybody.
User avatar #517 to #515 - firestarian (11/04/2012) [-]
Indeed
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