As a former student of a Catholic High School, I can probably explain this better. A Religion class is a mandatory aspect of education in most Catholic Schools, and virtually everything taught there [at least at my school] had the stipulation that everything taught is what the Christian Religion believes, and everything asked on quizzes/tests/homework is asking what the Christian religion believes.

This is EXACTLY the same as taking a quiz on Pokemon with one of the questions asking who created the universe. Regardless of personal belief on the subject pertaining to real life, the answer is still Arceus. It's all relative to the question.

Before you go all "HURR DURR CHRISTIAN-FAG" on me, I was raised a Christian, but I don't believe in the exact words of the Christian faith. I believe more in Deism than anything else. With that said, I'm still glad I went to that high school. The entire religion aspect was more about "How to be a good person" than "This is what happened, and you're burning for all eternity if you don't believe it."

I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't look like a test in religion (or Christianity). Therefore I see no point to use that question.

or is everything that is thaught on that school influenced by religion and that's why it's relevant? (I know very little about Catholic High Schools, because there's almost none of them in my country.)
I'm an Agnostic-Atheist so I'm pretty open-minded as to what people choose to believe in, I just don't like how it looks like they are trying to "brain-wash" you into thinking that God is the true answer (which is understandable if it's a Catholic School, but the girl taking it doesn't seem to be very religious. I hope they aren't forced to go to such a school?)

Honestly, unless it's an INCREDIBLY shitty school, the religion aspect has no effect on any other parts of education. There are a few Catholic schools that do intertwine religion and history as fact (key word: Few), but most do not. For example, through out high school I was taught [even in my Religion class] that we're most likely the product of Evolution and the Big Bang.

I'll admit that growing up until Junior High, everything was treated as fact, but then again which story do you think little kids are more interested in listening to? xD The stories about this little dude fucking up a giant with only a rock and a sling and other military conquests, or animals changing every couple hundred years? :P

Honestly though, I treat most of the historical account from Christianity as exaggerated stories to teach a lesson or give a pearl of wisdom. It may have started as a factual account, but you know how things can degrade over time when passed on by mouth. Do I think some guy raised a staff and moved an entire sea? No. In all actuality, the guy most likely knew about the tides and resulting sand bars and used those to cross the sea, and by the time the people pursuing them caught up, the tides had changed and they couldn't continue.

Now imagine that story being passed on for about 2000 years via mouth alone. People start to add speculation, exaggeration, etc., and before you know it you have an almighty higher being splitting a goddam ocean [on the command of one of these slaves] for this group of rebelling and escaped slaves and killing the people trying to catch them.

With that said, even more of the stories are trying to supply a reason for something people just can't understand or no one knows. Ex: We explain to little kids that babies come from storks so we don't have to explain them about sex, or Santa Claus so they can enjoy the spirit of the holiday season. are modern day equivalents. We don't believe in them, but they serve a purpose.

Yeah, when I think about it we learned the very same in my school, which was in no way religious and it didn't change my view on things (OR DID IT?! dundunduuuun). I think your way of explaining the stories told in the Bible is the one I'm most happy with as well.

God is myth, science is fact based on masses and masses of mutually supporting evidance and impirical data.

the big bang can't really be proven either

(this is just to my knowledge i apologize if i am wrong)
wait didn't the big bang create the universe, not the earth?

also HOLY SHIT i may have caused a shit storm

However, there is more support for the Big Bang than is of a supernatural being. I'm a Christian and this made me rage!

Cosmic background radiation wave. check it out

The big bang is the name given to the event that started the universe. When the universe started from a very small point and exploded out after that.

It did occour, so I guess then yes, it can be proven. The reasons for how we know this is because we can see the rate of expeansion in the universe, so we know that a long time ago everything was much closer together. We can estimate the age of the universe too because of it. There is also a lot of work and knowledge of what the universe was like very shortly (seconds, maybe less) after the big bang.

Does that help explain how the big ban is a proven fact?

In order for something be considered "law" doesn't it have to able to be repeated time and time again and turn out to be true each time it's tested?

It would certainly help if something is repeatable and can be tested again and again. We know for sure that dinosaurs lived on this world from all the clues left behind. But we don't require them to live again for us to be sure that they existed. Like the existance of the dinosaurs, we know the big bang happened and we know when it happened; based on all the clues left behind. I think that's all we have to go on. But I also think it's enough to be sure.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up!

I'd just like to point out that it's called the Big Bang Theory for a reason.

no, that's one of the worse creationist arguments. theory in layman's terms means something completely different than theory as scientists call it. scientific theories have mounds of evidence to support them. they're just super strict about what becomes a law and what remains a theory.

tl;dr i don't intend to be rude, but that's just really stupid and i'm surprised anyone agrees with you

Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments. Look down at my other comments.

tl:dr: I'm not trying to be rude, but look down at my other comments.

my apologies, i just spent the last 2 minutes reading through them.

Like the 'theory' of gravity?

Everything is a theory in science. Something cannot be proven to be 100% true because you cannot sample everything that ever existed/will exist so there's always uncertainty. Especially in something as hard to observe as the Big Bang, there are plenty of small gaps in the theory.

So is gravity untill someone finds a gravaton particle but i dont see you jumping of buildings

Gravity will remain a theory no matter what. Depending on what new discoveries are made, it will change within itself, because theories are ever expanding

It's a SCIENTIFIC theory. It's not like you can say any dumb fuck thing, and call it that.

What reason do you have for thinking its not true? Some writings in a book written by a some random person for a religion that didn't exist for 99.2 percent of human beings time on Earth?

I'd like to point down to my other comments clearing up another's confusion.

The reason being the word theory is defined as "a system of ideas intended to explain something".

Sadly I was taught that it was synonymous to "hypothesis". Good to know.

After looking up the definition, the Big Bang Theory seems more of a hypothesis to me. Idk how it is extensively tested. I am never totally sure about my "facts" since I have come to find out that my teachers were pretty fucking retarded and my mom loved to lie to me. My teacher accepted Texas as the biggest state and marked me for wrong since I said it was Alaska.

Well I thought it was pretty obvious. The universe is expanding (the galaxies are flying apart). So as you go back in time, everything gets closer together. Keep on going back and you end up at a point in time when the entire universe fitted into a space the size of a baseball.

There are things so solidly proven that you cannot ever imagine they will one day be disproven. Things like the theroy of gravity, or the theory that the Earth orbits the sun. The theory of evolution or the big bang therory. These 4 things have such an overwhelming body of supporting evidance that they can be considered fact.


Christianity isn't a theory. Mainly because it doesn't explain anything ("the universe is too complex, must have been created by god" gives and infinite regression because it doesn't explain where god came from which must be even more complex than the universe if he can create a universe). So I would class Christianity as a religion (faith, superstition, divine claims, myth, religious dogma).

It's not synonymous but it is similar. They are both a supposition, but a hypothesis can be based on little or no evidance and is not assumed to be true at all.

I never said that

i know, i just wanted to point it out

especially since if god had created the universe.. the earth is only 6000 years old... so they kind of contradicted themselves by saying he did it and that he didnt..

The way I see it, stars continue to die off and produce heavier elements, the as time goes by and later stars burn these elements, massive an super massive stars become more common. Eventually, these stars cause an increase in black hole formation and collision. Eventually, black holes swallow just about everything, including each other. By the time they coalesce into one friggin' huge hole, critical mass is achieved and the entire structure rebounds on itself and starts the cycle over.

(Please do not put any scientific merit into this, it is just a crackpot hypothesis I came up with to help me sleep at night and in no way reflects current testable knowledge. Any similarities to proposes theories are purely coincidental and scary me just as much as you.)

>implying it wasnt faked for thumbs.

It was a catholic school, thats why it says that OP added the top text it was originally from reddit, which said it was from a catholic school

I'm not sure that the teacher is religious. Look at the 1st question, Christians believe that the world is only 6000 years old.

You sir, would then be a hero.

Holy shit lol, chill the fuck out. Lmfao

It's not like these things are common either

or seen anywhere but on the internet

It could be a test over ancient religions, as in what the Greeks believed at the time

probably a private catholic school, so you couldn't. if it was public i'd go for it.

if it was a catholic school number 1 would be 3000 years

itd be 6000 actually

It's the age of the Earth, not how long it took for the Earth to be created.

shows how much i know about religion lol

at mine i never learned that, i was taught some fuckey mix of creationism and evolution. but it's more, darwin had the right idea, but he didn't believe in god so he's wrong.

Darwin was actually Christian for most of his life. He had doubts at points, but generally considered himself a theist

to me that seems pretty stupid, but just the last part really

yeah, it's a fucked up school.

That is an honorable statement. But if I were you, i'd not check the tests in the bible belt schools. You'd be sueing a lot.

I am from the bible belt area I never had any religious shit in our class. It was about 12 years ago though it might of changed.

If Texas is in the bible belt there is no religious stuff being taught as of now.

I lived in the bible belt, and the moment someone showed up offering free bibles at school, they were sued to shit. That's also a very, very rural area that's very religious.

A man was handing out bibles to anyone who wanted it in my school's parking lot.
He got arrested by a rookie cop for passing out bibles for free.

That's essentially how it went down back then. They weren't forcing the bibles on anyone. They were a friendly church, and were just standing in the lobby, and if anybody asked for one, they would give it to them for free. I may be atheist, but I saw no problem with it. They weren't forcing the bibles upon anyone, and weren't pestering everyone if they wanted one. Just standing there waiting for people to ask for one. It was very ridiculous, and actually made me pretty mad.

Well in my school's area they'res a Mormon temple down the road, and they sometimes annoy some of the kids.

Wow. People actually teach this crap as fact and get away with it?

Yes, they do. In this test, they atleast show SOME degree of modern age progress by accepting the age of the earth, and believing in the evolutional theories.

I see that, and it kind of made me scratch my head. You really can't have it both ways.

what i find fascinating is that ravens have also been found to understand the concept of 'hidden causal agents'

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Hmmm. And where, oh wise and noble ganjalf, did this protoplanetary disk gather its matter? I think saying that it started with the big bang is more than acceptable. Certainly, as you've also noted, from a girl doing a 4th grade test.

You probably mean Oranos. He is the sky. Uranus is from Roman mythology.

No, I don't. Caelus is the Roman counterpart. Uranus is just another way of saying Ouranos/Oranos

I believe in god and I stillI want you to teach my children

Excluding specifying the names of the titans, that's exactly what I said

Why are people having trouble with that?

so who made the titans? cus that was who created the earth

No, Gaia (the earth) boned Uranus (the sky) and created the titans. Then two of the Titans boned and made Zeus.

Gaia is said to have come from Chaos, but there isn't a total consensus on whether Chaos was a physical primordial deity or just the name for the transitional state before the creation of the universe and the earth

eeeyooooo.

red thumbs here I come

I like the idea that God or some other higher power created everything, but once that happened they got bored, and left the rest of the universe to dick around as it pleases

EXACTLY! That's what I think. A lot of people can't just accept both. Maybe, scientist/creationist, maybe God caused the big bang, eh?

Also, not all scientists are atheists. Some are convinced Christians/muslims/... who turn to their holy book as source of guidance, rather then a set of rules. Try not to discriminate them.

I'm not actually qualified to make that statement, as I'm agnostic, but yes. If you want to put it that way, It doesn't seem too unlikely-at least to me- that a higher power caused the big bang.

Whatever man. Fuck you. The answer is clearly Zeus and anyone who doesn't believe that is going straight to Hades (the bad part).

I will pray to Athena for your eternal soul.