What if, and get this, those people were in the minority of those who AREN'T abusing the system?

Yes, people abuse it. No matter what system is used, there would be those who abuse it to get around doing something.

I partially agree. I've seen a LOT of people who clearly don't need government assistance but who take it anyways because they just don't want to work. The system needs to be better.

but yes, those people are still a minority (though just barely).

I don't think he thought about it when he said it, mostly because he didn't know he was on film and he was around people who believed the same thing.

In any event, it was a stupid fucking thing to say and will cost him dearly. I don't think he will beat Obama.

its called Somalia, youd love it there!

wow, that was the most ignorant thing i've ever heard.

you fool

These types of arguments get really old. Romney points out that some people believe they are entitled to live off the rest of us, so liberals go to the most extreme examples of people who really need help and act like that's what he was talking about. Nobody wants to screw over victims of domestic violence - nobody. Nobody.


Nobody.

First of all, I am not liberal. In fact, I was planning on voting for him until he made these comments, now I am not sure. Secondly, my point was that he was overgeneralizing a complex problem. I was just using an example from my personal experience to emphasize that point.

His point was that people who don't pay income taxes are going to tend to not get excited about cutting taxes. His other point was that Obama has core supporters who believe in what he's selling and will never switch.

That was the overarching message, but it was his remark about them not taking personal responsibility for their lives that bothered me.

Some people don't, and the Obama message is that you're a victim, nothing is your fault, and there's nothing you can do about your situation unless government helps you out. That's what I find offensive.

Personally I think both of them are overgeneralizing the issue, but I would rather help someone that is going to abuse it than deny help to someone that will be able to turn their life around with it. Rather than blaming each other, they should be looking for ways to close the loophole that people abuse.

Absolutely they're overgeneralizing the issues, because that's what the vast majority of people want to hear. Look at Sarah Palin, I don't hate her like some people do, but when I watched her speech at the republican convention I said it was a poor speech, but most people on the right loved it. After a while I realized what I didn't like about hearing her talk. I never learn anything when she speaks. She pretty much only repeats things other people have already said, but that's the thing. Lots of people only want to hear what they already think. Thus our politicians wind up dumbing it down. Look at Obama, he always makes visual representations of what he's trying to say like, we're trying to push the car out of the ditch, and they're telling us we're doing it wrong. That's as much as the people he's talking to can understand.

It's sad, and we can only blame ourselves.

BTW Obama loosened the work requirements for welfare. The big accomplishment during the Clinton kim jongistration was reforming welfare, and now we took a step back in the other direction. You can look at the details yourself and decide whether or not you think it's a big deal.

By all means, go ahead. But Obama has never said anything this stupid.

Here's just a few:

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)
"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009
"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008


I'll respect people's myriad political opinions all day. But when they try to act like their candidate's shit doesn't stink that's when the Jimmies get Maximum Over-Rustled

I'm not saying Obama doesn't have problems, but Mitt Romney is just running an incompetent campaign. This was a huge mistake; far bigger than saying the wrong number of states. Explicitly saying you're going to disregard almost half the country when you're elected is quite detrimental to his race.

except there is a reason why Republicans are usually the ones that say/do stupid shit.
Ex: Romney, Bush, Yoder, Akin (kansas)

True they're always out there. What I'm saying is, if we direct all political insults to Republicans and Conservatives, well then we're no better than Fox news are we?

sure just as soon as we come up with as many as mitt