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robopuppy (09/12/2012) [-] Except one didn't have a bloody plane crash into it. But besides that they're completely the same.
#1525
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grohl (09/12/2012) [-] 1. at the initial impact, fire traveled through the central elevator shafts, which is why people halfway down the building were incinerated, with the damage to the central elevator (A MAJOR structural component in the buildings) weakening the buildings greatly.
2. support cables in between floors were of a much lower grade, and lighter metal, and the intense heat of burning jet fuel was able to burn through them like a candle to string, only it took about 40 minutes.
3. The Planes actually severed some of these support cables on impact, weakening the buildings even more.
4. Only one floor has to collapse, because it will collapse with the weight of all those above it, and a couple 1000 tons of metal is pretty damn heavy
5. Windsor tower wasn't hit by a fucking 747 with enough fuel for a trans-national flight (A shit ton of super-gasoline)
2. support cables in between floors were of a much lower grade, and lighter metal, and the intense heat of burning jet fuel was able to burn through them like a candle to string, only it took about 40 minutes.
3. The Planes actually severed some of these support cables on impact, weakening the buildings even more.
4. Only one floor has to collapse, because it will collapse with the weight of all those above it, and a couple 1000 tons of metal is pretty damn heavy
5. Windsor tower wasn't hit by a fucking 747 with enough fuel for a trans-national flight (A shit ton of super-gasoline)
#1649 to #1612
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grohl (09/12/2012) [-] let's calm down now, please. i threw one insult out. I am an engineering major at Northern Illinois University, in my 3rd year of studies. I am 23 years old, i was born on September 12, 1989 in Elgin, IL. We went over the subject of the World Trade Center attacks in depth over a three day period in class.
Sorry if i angered you in some way with an intelligent, well researched arguement.
Sorry if i angered you in some way with an intelligent, well researched arguement.
#1711 to #1701
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grohl (09/12/2012) [-] i said lets calm down, referring to both of us. it is stupid to be calling each other pre-teens when we're both probably adults. I threw out An insult, Not insults. Singular, not plural. And in reply to your main question, "What are my signs of being angry", very few people call someone they're happy with a 12-year old
#1507
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milkinmapockets (09/12/2012) [-] Whoever thinks 9/11 was planned by the government, well guess what, im pretty sure you are wrong. Remember that the attack wasn't only planned to hit the two towers, another plane also hit the pentagon, and another plane was planned to hit the national capitol. Now tell me this: Why would the "government" want to purposely destroy a part in the pentagon, and then destroy the natinal capitol building? The capitol is one of the most important building in the US, not because of it's history or who made it, but because of how its still in use today, and why they use it. I cant believe any of you conspiracy theorists, some of you hear something and completley start believing it immediateley without even thinking about it.
#1609 to #1546
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milkinmapockets (09/12/2012) [-]
see this is what i mean, you guys aren't thinking of the other things that happened. What about the video evidence of the WTC being hit by planes? What about the crash of United 93 that was planned to crash in the capitol. And ive read the pentagon theory, can't really complain with you about that, BUT LOOK AT THE OTHER ACCIDENTS. America's government wouldn't try to destroy 4 VERY IMPORATANT buildings just to make an excues for war in iraq. And if they did, why would they go through all the trouble of trying to destroy 4 buildings?!?!? Those theories DO NOT make any sense.
#1573 to #1563
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iwanttousenumbers (09/12/2012) [-] I also heard somewhere that a few days or weeks before the attacks the states lost some really important harddrive that had a lot of information on it and it cost a shitton of money and where the plane is said to have crashed is right where it was stored
#1519 to #1507
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stpdppl (09/12/2012) [-] Actually, I agree with you. But the REAL TRUTH is: after the buildings fell and 9/11 was over, the government posted on the internet saying it was an inside job. This was a conspiracy to make people think there are conspiracies and make people more scared of the government.
#1504
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kiwibruuu (09/12/2012) [-] Someone please try and explain how this would happen, if it had not been cut. If you manage to convince me I will go out of my to post you $10NZD.
#1518 to #1504
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milkinmapockets (09/12/2012) [-]
Why would you think it would be cut though? You're telling me that between all the explosions and everything someone came in for shits and giggles and cut the beam? Dude, there can be many reasons, it melted, it broke when the building fell because of all the bending in the process, maybe that beam was one of the beams that the plane hit. But even if it just broke, why would it be cut?
#1568 to #1539
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nightstar (09/12/2012) [-] Oddly enough, my google search for this picture brought me to a forum thread talking about 9/11 as well. The poster of this picture said;
"What the hell is it with truthers (so-called "investigators") and their complete lack of understanding of high-impact crashes? Jesus, velocity does wonders. You can cut steel with water, you can embed a sliver of wood deep into a tree trunk with a tornado.
Evidence that supports the idea that a 767 at over 400mph could do the damage seen at the WTC has been all around them for all their lives. Velocity and mass can do amazing things. "
I'm also not claiming anything. But I know in life the simplest solution is usually the correct answer. Maybe our government knew about the events and allowed it to happen, but I don't think they had any other hand in it.
"What the hell is it with truthers (so-called "investigators") and their complete lack of understanding of high-impact crashes? Jesus, velocity does wonders. You can cut steel with water, you can embed a sliver of wood deep into a tree trunk with a tornado.
Evidence that supports the idea that a 767 at over 400mph could do the damage seen at the WTC has been all around them for all their lives. Velocity and mass can do amazing things. "
I'm also not claiming anything. But I know in life the simplest solution is usually the correct answer. Maybe our government knew about the events and allowed it to happen, but I don't think they had any other hand in it.
#1558 to #1539
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Superstevefive (09/12/2012) [-] Maybe one of the workers cut it during clean-up. Note the clearly non-firefighter worker to the left. The lack of much safety equipment would suggest that this is weeks after the fact and you know it is easier to haul metal away when it is in pieces.
#1501
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contradiction (09/12/2012) [-] didnt a plane fly into the WTC....maybe...just maybe that had to do with the collapse.
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whitefeathers (09/12/2012) [-] http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html
Actually facts instead of someone, going "ooh conspiracy".
Actually facts instead of someone, going "ooh conspiracy".
#1494 to #1490
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batmuma (09/12/2012) [-] WTF i just say???
The only individual metal component of the aircraft that is comparable in strength to the box perimeter columns of the WTC is the keel beam at the bottom of the aircraft fuselage. While the aircraft impact undoubtedly destroyed several columns in the WTC perimeter wall, the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure. Of equal or even greater significance during this initial impact was the explosion when 90,000 L gallons of jet fuel, comprising nearly 1/3 of the aircraft’s weight, ignited. The ensuing fire was clearly the principal cause of the collapse.
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The only individual metal component of the aircraft that is comparable in strength to the box perimeter columns of the WTC is the keel beam at the bottom of the aircraft fuselage. While the aircraft impact undoubtedly destroyed several columns in the WTC perimeter wall, the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure. Of equal or even greater significance during this initial impact was the explosion when 90,000 L gallons of jet fuel, comprising nearly 1/3 of the aircraft’s weight, ignited. The ensuing fire was clearly the principal cause of the collapse.
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#1488
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batmuma (09/12/2012) [-] it's different man.. in the WTC the fire reached very high temperatures because of the gasoline that the aircraft carries.. the fire in madrid was total diferent.. because there was no gasoline
#1484
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doctrine (09/12/2012) [-] The windsor building didn't have a full tank of airplane fuel in it.
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acheddarbob (09/12/2012) [-]
I think jet fuel burns hot enough to compromise the the building's structure
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gazoogo (09/12/2012) [-] You know, it's not like the buildings were hit by planes that weigh several tons each or anything.... It was just the fire that made them collapse.
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Visual (09/12/2012) [-] I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with the conspiracy theorists, it seems likely but a plane did fucking ram the side of the building at a REALLY fucking fast speed.
What does boggle my mind is that they "found" a perfectly ok wallet with one of the hijacker's I.D.
If the jet fuel did incinerate everything in the blast, how did a small leather wallet survive?
That one thing sounds weird to me.
What does boggle my mind is that they "found" a perfectly ok wallet with one of the hijacker's I.D.
If the jet fuel did incinerate everything in the blast, how did a small leather wallet survive?
That one thing sounds weird to me.
#1470
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N. Korean citizen (09/12/2012) [-]
It was a thermite reaction between the plane and WTC. Rust and aluminum at high temps is hotter than fire.
#1499 to #1470
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thorsballs (09/12/2012) [-]
Yea, that's why building 7 also collapsed, all levels breaking down at precisely the same moment. The only steel building in history ever to do so. Just had to be a coincedence with all the other fucked up "facts" about this day.
I'm not even american and even I know the official story is bullshit. The american state put more than 50 million dollars to investigate Bill clintons secret love affair - and 15 million in the 9/11 investigation. Please__
I'm not even american and even I know the official story is bullshit. The american state put more than 50 million dollars to investigate Bill clintons secret love affair - and 15 million in the 9/11 investigation. Please__
#1469
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recoveryseven **User deleted account** (09/12/2012) [-] Fuck it, I'm ending this. Though steel melts at 2500°F, which is a temperature that burning jet fuel and most other fires cannot reach, steel will loose 90% of it strengths at half it's melting point. This, coupled with the shear velocity at which the plane(filled with jet fuel) hits, guarantees an explosion large enough to bring down the building in that manner. Though the towers were designed to survive a plane crash, they were designed to survive exactly that, a plane crash, such as a Cessna 340A, a small 6 seater aircraft. Not, a massive Boeing 767 airliner, with enough for 190, not including crew.
#1503 to #1480
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breakfastlunch (09/12/2012) [-] Thousands of pounds of building hitting the floors below would explain it, now, wouldn't it? When the floors fell, they fell with enough kinetic energy to break pretty much anything. No floor is designed to hold up to that.
#1578 to #1510
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breakfastlunch (09/12/2012) [-] I'm talking about the floors at and above the impact point. The height of the ceilings in the offices were above ten feet.
I searched estimates of how much different skyscrapers weigh, and the bigger ones got into the hundreds of millions of kilograms. Now, let's take a mass that seems REALLY low for one story of the massive towers: 500,000 kg. If we calculate the potential energy of just one of these stories using, assuming that the height of one story is about 3.5 meters (11.5 feet), PE = mgh (500,000 * 9.81 * 3.5), we find that just one of these floors can apply 17,167,500 Joules of kinetic energy to the floor below - about 17 times the energy of a one-tonne vehicle moving at 100 miles per hour.
Even if the plane only made the roof itself collapse, the entire building would probably have been severely damaged and perhaps have fallen.
I searched estimates of how much different skyscrapers weigh, and the bigger ones got into the hundreds of millions of kilograms. Now, let's take a mass that seems REALLY low for one story of the massive towers: 500,000 kg. If we calculate the potential energy of just one of these stories using, assuming that the height of one story is about 3.5 meters (11.5 feet), PE = mgh (500,000 * 9.81 * 3.5), we find that just one of these floors can apply 17,167,500 Joules of kinetic energy to the floor below - about 17 times the energy of a one-tonne vehicle moving at 100 miles per hour.
Even if the plane only made the roof itself collapse, the entire building would probably have been severely damaged and perhaps have fallen.
