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#8411981 - ashedust (04/08/2014) [-]
I might be eligible for financial aid from the hospital so instead of a $6000 bill It'd be only $1500
User avatar #8411996 to #8411981 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
Free healthcare mastercountry
User avatar #8411997 to #8411996 - Hawke (04/08/2014) [-]
No, it's not free.
User avatar #8412003 to #8411997 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
True, but private healthcare is proven to cost far more than socialized medicine.
User avatar #8412007 to #8412003 - Hawke (04/08/2014) [-]
Maybe in other countries, but not in shitstain America.
User avatar #8412012 to #8412007 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
Private healthcare in America doesn't cost more per capita than socialized medicine in other nations?
User avatar #8412050 to #8412012 - Hawke (04/08/2014) [-]
It's all about effectiveness and preferred healthcare plans my friend.

Many people lost their healthcare plans which they were promised they would be able to keep because many companies lost absurd amounts of money and business from obamacare.

Also, healthcare is not truly free in America. Canada does a WAAAAY better job.

The main issue I have with socialized medicine is that the waiting list is incredibly long for some things.

My grandfather had to wait an absurd amount of time for a hip replacement in Canada, so he came to America and just paid for it.

And it was expensive, and guess what? It was great.

People come to America and PAY for medicine because we have some of the most advanced and state of the art machines and doctors.

Socialized medicine make work well for clinic visits and basic medication, but it does not handle the most serious conditions well.

And I am not saying we should deny service to people, which we do not. That is a myth.

Hospitals cannot refuse service to ANYONE. And there are financial programs which can help you with hospital bills like ashedust mentioned.
User avatar #8412084 to #8412050 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
I wasn't referring the Obamacare, most people agree that it's poorly written and should have been revised before being implemented, especially the bullshit "you must have insurance" part.

Yes, that is true that the waiting list can be long, but there are often ridiculous waiting lists in America too. Have you seen how long it can take people to get a transplant? It's fucking ridiculous. And, from personal experience, the two times I went to urgent care it took almost eight hours to be seen even though I was bleeding on the carpet, and my mom almost died because they made her wait almost a month before they would treat her antibiotic resistant bacterial infection. Private healthcare is far from this paragon of excellent service that it's portrayed as.

I don't think that having socialized medicine means that we can't have higher quality private insurance for those that want it, just that it would be cheaper for everyone, even the private insurers, to have the average Joe have some basic health care coverage so he doesn't saddle the hospital with his 50 grand hospital bills because he doesn't have a job and can't pay.

We don't deny service to people: hospitals are required to stabilize anyone that comes in. However, they only have to stabilize them, not treat them or actually fix the underlying issue that caused them to come in in the first place, like heart disease.
User avatar #8412112 to #8412084 - Hawke (04/08/2014) [-]
I personally believe they both have strong advantages, but I don't believe they work perfectly as a standalone.

Maybe some strange hybrid could work, I do not know.

Healthcare has been the most strongly debated and discussed most recently in these past few years.
#8412197 to #8412112 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
I'd be inclined to agree. I don't think just about any system for most governmental or economic problems is a silver bullet that will fix everything. I think it's good to have basic health care available for everybody so that getting sick won't bankrupt you or getting injured won't mean cashing out your retirement to pay for it (the last one happened to my family), and also private, higher quality health care for better and faster treatment, aesthetic treatments, etc. for those that can pay. Just enough to ensure that poor people aren't fucked, but so that more successful people still have plenty of incentive to continue succeeding.   
   
I support a similar set up for our whole government: basic, strictly regulated, and intentionally uncomfortable safety nets (not hammocks) for those that get fucked by capitalism so that they can get back in the game, but capitalism overall to encourage everyone to be productive and succeed so that they can have a higher quality of life. That way, you have fewer drains on society, and people can get back to being productive members of society faster after they become one of the inevitable losers of capitalism. Most people like the "all or nothing" approach though, so I doubt that this would really be considered in the U.S.   
   
It is, though I imagine it's because it's a pretty personal topic that affects just about everyone.
I'd be inclined to agree. I don't think just about any system for most governmental or economic problems is a silver bullet that will fix everything. I think it's good to have basic health care available for everybody so that getting sick won't bankrupt you or getting injured won't mean cashing out your retirement to pay for it (the last one happened to my family), and also private, higher quality health care for better and faster treatment, aesthetic treatments, etc. for those that can pay. Just enough to ensure that poor people aren't fucked, but so that more successful people still have plenty of incentive to continue succeeding.

I support a similar set up for our whole government: basic, strictly regulated, and intentionally uncomfortable safety nets (not hammocks) for those that get fucked by capitalism so that they can get back in the game, but capitalism overall to encourage everyone to be productive and succeed so that they can have a higher quality of life. That way, you have fewer drains on society, and people can get back to being productive members of society faster after they become one of the inevitable losers of capitalism. Most people like the "all or nothing" approach though, so I doubt that this would really be considered in the U.S.

It is, though I imagine it's because it's a pretty personal topic that affects just about everyone.
User avatar #8412000 to #8411997 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
yes i live in my own country where everything's free
User avatar #8412004 to #8412000 - Hawke (04/08/2014) [-]
Ah, I forgot. Socialism.

Where the government just farts out cash out of it's never ending treasury of infinite money.
User avatar #8411994 to #8411981 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
I'm guessing you're American as well?
User avatar #8412405 to #8412400 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
feelsbatman. I understand your pain.
User avatar #8412411 to #8412405 - ashedust (04/08/2014) [-]
My parents are footing the bill until I can work out a deal with them.
#8411980 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
The more I learn about the Bible, the more it makes me lel when people try to claim that god is benevolent or that anything in it, even god, should be taken literally.
User avatar #8412040 to #8411980 - abstractpink (04/08/2014) [-]
I am a christian, but lol fuck no the Bible is just a big metaphor for "yo dud try 2 be wat god knew u could b and shit dont go fukin animals and shit".
User avatar #8412053 to #8412040 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
That's how I think it's supposed to be taken, especially when you look at how the original texts read, but good look convincing anyone of that.
#8411986 to #8411980 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
Yo niggeroutlaw
User avatar #8411971 - ajrin (04/08/2014) [-]
**ajrin rolls 3,628**i shall get the quads
User avatar #8411976 to #8411971 - kilroydotexe (04/08/2014) [-]
**kilroydotexe rolls 1,740** Give up
User avatar #8411968 - ajrin (04/08/2014) [-]
**ajrin rolls 7,614** im not giving up
#8411967 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
anyone of you fegs have snapchat?
User avatar #8411985 to #8411967 - nigeltheoutlaw (04/08/2014) [-]
Nah, don't have a smarty fone. Probably wouldn't use it anyways.
User avatar #8411973 to #8411967 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
sadly yes
User avatar #8411979 to #8411973 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
lel i only use it with like 3 people anymore but i think it's fun

except for this one girl who screenshots all my pictures
User avatar #8411984 to #8411979 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
punch her in the face
User avatar #8411987 to #8411984 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
but it makes me feel loved for once
User avatar #8411988 to #8411987 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
aw bb
User avatar #8411972 to #8411967 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
Fuskiwuski
#8411961 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
**marcinthedarc rolled user sarcasticrunner **
#8411964 to #8411961 - pongthequadspirate (04/08/2014) [-]
is that a genuine picture that someone made for someone?
User avatar #8411970 to #8411964 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
Ye I think so
#8411957 - puffyclouds (04/08/2014) [-]
u maud bro?
User avatar #8411959 to #8411957 - kilroydotexe (04/08/2014) [-]
**kilroydotexe rolled comment #13 ** :
That was butter than i expected.
#8411989 to #8411959 - puffyclouds (04/08/2014) [-]
what about this?
#8411975 to #8411959 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
pfffffffffthahahahahah
#8411955 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
>Be fuski
>Whine on pongldr about rolling
>Says several people wants him to stop
>When you ask him who, he wont answer
Nc b8 m8
User avatar #8411969 to #8411955 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
>Be an anon
User avatar #8411991 to #8411969 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
>angry because you realised people actually didnt care
User avatar #8411999 to #8411991 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
Your argument was that both marc and some other cunt pleaded you to go on
Counter-argument, which you brought up on yourself was that both I and Tink pleaded you to stop.

You see how that evens out, right?
I didn't even have to reply.
User avatar #8412005 to #8411999 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
2 people for
2 people against
4 people that can just choose to ignore it.
seriously, its just a bit of fun added to some rolling, which is what other users do pretty much all day every day.
User avatar #8412018 to #8412005 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
So I'm guessing that you're the faggoty ass anon too?

But it's not though, is it?
Posting *roll 4* with some shitty monologue that sounds like something that your shitty mascot would say to make it not look like spam is so much fun. Oh yes.
User avatar #8412029 to #8412018 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
You're just being and edgy cunt over nothing.
And I'm gonna be honest here, I dont know who the anon is. I think it's either andranadu or someone who knows not to let something a stranger online does on a website affect them.
Just deal with it and stop being a baby.
User avatar #8412037 to #8412029 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
"someone who knows not to let something a stranger online does on a website affect them. "
>Said person is posting as anon so that something this stranger does online doesn't affect him.
Fucking kek.
User avatar #8412046 to #8412037 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
Now you are trying to convince yourself that you were right, making yourself feel better.
Really dude that's fucking pathetic.
User avatar #8412051 to #8412046 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
I don't need to make myself feel better though. I'm just countering your shitty argument.
User avatar #8412054 to #8412051 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
An argument that wouldn't happen if you didnt HAVE to be right.

Go away, cunt, no one gives a shit except you.
User avatar #8412062 to #8412054 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
But I am right, though.

You want me to go away, but both you and I know that shortly after this argument is done, you'll mention me in some lame ass comment, with some shitty attempt at green text saying something like.
>Be fuski
>Hurr de durr
>I'm a saint and everything I do is funny and hilarious, lol, look at me *roll 4* every couple minutes so that I flood the board.

Yeah, right.
User avatar #8412064 to #8412062 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
I haven't mentioned you yet though.
I even tried being nice and reasoning with you, you just turned into a douche when you realised you were wrong.
Just let me have my fun, asshole.
User avatar #8412068 to #8412064 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
Fun being flooding the board with your bullshit.
Right. And I'm the asshole.
User avatar #8412071 to #8412068 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
Look at the board right now.
Rolling.
Seriously, yes. You ARE the asshole.
User avatar #8412110 to #8412071 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
But it's not all from the same person.
And when there is more than two posts that include rolls from someone, it's not between short intervals of about 30 fucking seconds, it's at least a few minutes.
You're the asshole.
User avatar #8412127 to #8412110 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
Can I ask how me trying to add something different to boring rolling makes me an asshole? People were enjoying it, so that makes me an asshole?
Look, I didnt mean to make you upset, I gave you an option, but the fact that you're just plainly being an ass must mean something to you.

I'm just gonna give up reasoning with you. I'm sorry if I did something wrong, if it make you feel any better you're right. I'm just done talking to a fucking brick wall.
User avatar #8412158 to #8412127 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
It is fucking boring. It's been done a countless amount of times before. And like I said, your monologue to go with the rolling was just a way for it to not look like spam. If you were rolling that frequently without said monologue, you would have had your hour ban by now.

Whatever, dick. I'm done here, regardless of what you have to say after this comment.
I know I'm right.
User avatar #8412165 to #8412158 - pongldr (04/08/2014) [-]
Alright then, I guess. Have a good day, sorry about making you upset.
User avatar #8412036 to #8412029 - andranadu (04/08/2014) [-]
I'm fairly sure I wasn't the anon
Being that I don't remember typing this:
">Be fuski
>Whine on pongldr about rolling
>Says several people wants him to stop
>When you ask him who, he wont answer
Nc b8 m8"
User avatar #8412039 to #8412036 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
Right-o
#8411982 to #8411969 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
Weren't you leaving
User avatar #8411992 to #8411982 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
I was going to, but, eh.
#8411952 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
**anonymous fucks horse**
User avatar #8411954 to #8411952 - puffyclouds (04/08/2014) [-]
can i join?
#8411965 to #8411954 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
yes
#8411944 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
**anonymous rolls 917**
**anonymous rolls 917**
#8411938 - pongthequadspirate (04/08/2014) [-]
**pongthequadspirate rolls 2,695**
This is the end of my adventure.
It appears board are too high levelled pussy faggots with far too many edges.
It seems that by hunting for quads, alot of users are getting their panties in a knot over words, and someone having a bit of fun on the board.
Well what a shame.
User avatar #8411960 to #8411938 - ajrin (04/08/2014) [-]
**ajrin rolls 9,558**
User avatar #8411949 to #8411938 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
Maybe next time
#8411953 to #8411949 - pongthequadspirate (04/08/2014) [-]
yeah when people aint being bitches because im rolling like evryone else on the board does.
User avatar #8411941 to #8411938 - kilroydotexe (04/08/2014) [-]
**kilroydotexe rolls 3,298**
User avatar #8411937 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
**zependium rolls 13,070** not getting quints
User avatar #8411935 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
kthnxbye
#8411942 to #8411935 - CIS White Male (04/08/2014) [-]
eat shit
User avatar #8411945 to #8411942 - fuski (04/08/2014) [-]
Whatever you say pong/marc/whoever the fuck else it is that you mentioned.
User avatar #8411934 - kilroydotexe (04/08/2014) [-]
**kilroydotexe rolls 8,349** Get
User avatar #8411922 - abstractpink (04/08/2014) [-]
It annoys me infitely much that I cannot play Bioshock in 3rd person.
User avatar #8411928 to #8411922 - ashedust (04/08/2014) [-]
It'd be... interesting.
User avatar #8411940 to #8411928 - abstractpink (04/08/2014) [-]
It'd be cool as shit.
User avatar #8411947 to #8411940 - ashedust (04/08/2014) [-]
But why? The only benefit we'd get is seeing the back of Booker's or Jack's or Delta's head.
User avatar #8411983 to #8411947 - abstractpink (04/08/2014) [-]
I like 3rd person, to see my character
User avatar #8411925 to #8411922 - tinkotin (04/08/2014) [-]
3rd person games are abd
User avatar #8411939 to #8411925 - abstractpink (04/08/2014) [-]
>opinions
User avatar #8411933 to #8411931 - tinkotin (04/08/2014) [-]
Exactly.
User avatar #8411918 - joshlol (04/08/2014) [-]
why do tf2 players care about digital hats so much
User avatar #8411913 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
**zependium rolled user leonhardt **
come back to me
User avatar #8411912 - marcinthedarc **User deleted account** (04/08/2014) [-]
Cooking Up Placenta
User avatar #8411917 to #8411912 - zependium (04/08/2014) [-]
>"Our daughter was born last week, 18th October 2007. Whilst they're still in hospital I thought it was a good time to go Placentophagy. Mmmm, yummy. Cutting it up looked like a massacre."

#8411907 - pongthequadspirate (04/08/2014) [-]
**pongthequadspirate rolls 7,844**

COME TO ME QUADS
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