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User avatar #42 - taokami ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
meh
User avatar #40 - DmOnZ ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
The way I see it, Jesus actually existed, however during that time, there really weren't any people who advocated equal treatment of all people. His acts of selflessness and most likely high intelligence made people think he was some kind of god. (Not to mention his slut mother lied about getting pregnant from some other dude, so that's gotta contribute to it) In the end, Jesus existed, but he wasn't the son of god, he was just a morally righteous person who was in the right place at the right time. Truth is there is no god. We are our own gods. We choose what we want, we determine what our lives become. It is ignorant, arrogant and idiotic to still believe that there is an entity in the sky who controls each of our lives and loves us simply for being alive. We don't have predetermined destiny's, "god" doesn't have a plan for us. Our destiny's are solely what we make ourselves. Take the reigns of your own life and do something, be your own god.
User avatar #51 to #39 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
I disagree with this.

Debate was first commonly used to solve intellectual conundrums by the Greeks. It's an effective method. It's how the human race progresses. I don't think it's stupid to want to discuss our way to the right answer, if we're respectful. After all, there is a RIGHT answer somewhere.
#52 to #51 - mvtjets (07/09/2012) [-]
There is no true way of knowing how we got here, so we could only assume. Anybody who is 100% sure is full of **** ........
User avatar #71 to #52 - Monkeyfarmer (07/09/2012) [-]
No one can or will be entirely sure how life started on Earth, but the reasons that science gives seem to make much more sense than just saying "well, god did it". If everyone was completely satisfied with that answer, then we as a species, culture, and intelligent lifeforms would never progress. And that is why science puts everything under the category of "theory" (theory of gravity, theory of evolution, theory of relativity) meaning that there is always room for improvement and change based on new evidence.
User avatar #72 to #71 - mvtjets (07/09/2012) [-]
Exactly.......
User avatar #54 to #52 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
No one is. But that's why talking about it is valuable. The human race can gradually gather information and find the answer. It's not dumb to use debate as a tool for that purpose. As long as the "idiots" on this image are respectful and open minded, some could change their thinking and see new facts. I do that all the time when I debate.
#57 to #54 - mvtjets (07/09/2012) [-]
Well, there is a difference between debate and ignorence. Like I said, we could only assume how we got here, there is no "decisive evidence" out there. I dont mind looking into it, but I hate people who think they are superior than the other person based on beliefs. People can believe what they want......
Well, there is a difference between debate and ignorence. Like I said, we could only assume how we got here, there is no "decisive evidence" out there. I dont mind looking into it, but I hate people who think they are superior than the other person based on beliefs. People can believe what they want......
User avatar #58 to #57 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Yeah... have you read that whole image that I disagreed with? The "idiots" weren't being rude or implying that they were superior. They were just trying to prove their views.

And uh, we don't know that there is no "decisive evidence." Maybe we just haven't found it yet. But you know who will find that evidence, if it exists? Someone who is passionate about their beliefs and wants to back them up with irrefutable fact.

The debate fuels the quest for evidence that backs people's views up. This leads to studies, and discoveries. It is possible that we can find the right answer. After all, it cannot be denied that a right answer exists.

That's all I'm going to say. I have no idea what you're arguing to me about. I disagreed with the premise that people who tried to debate their views were idiots. You haven't really refuted that.... even though you had an image that said "Objection!"
#59 to #58 - mvtjets (07/09/2012) [-]
All i'm really trying to prove is not to descriminate because somebody has different views than the other person.   
   
Plus we are just civilians, we cannot simply "find" more evidence, that goes to the scientists and researchers, we just have to wait.........
All i'm really trying to prove is not to descriminate because somebody has different views than the other person.

Plus we are just civilians, we cannot simply "find" more evidence, that goes to the scientists and researchers, we just have to wait.........
User avatar #60 to #59 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Civilians can be researchers. And they can become researchers. We've just got to look at the big picture.
There are young people on FJ, like 16. If they feel passionate after they see a religious debate, that might inspire them to be a scientist and find **** out. And there you see a benefit (if not small and optimistic) of religious ********** .
#63 to #60 - mvtjets (07/09/2012) [-]
But as long as we are here and not doing deep research, then at this point in time it is pointless to jump to decisive conclusions......
But as long as we are here and not doing deep research, then at this point in time it is pointless to jump to decisive conclusions......
User avatar #32 - luismamontes (07/09/2012) [-]
I came to funnyjunk for some laughs. **** me right?
#529 to #32 - mr skeltal (07/09/2012) [-]
Welcome to the club bro
Welcome to the club bro
#489 to #32 - budbrown (07/09/2012) [-]
thanks for creating some
User avatar #173 to #32 - gytisout (07/09/2012) [-]
Yup
User avatar #30 - Forfunaccount (07/09/2012) [-]
If God doesn't exit then it is necessary to create one.
User avatar #36 to #30 - PurpleAtrocity (07/09/2012) [-]
Only if something is unexplainable.
User avatar #38 to #36 - Forfunaccount (07/09/2012) [-]
I agree. But to be honest, existence in itself is unexplainable.
User avatar #26 - josejr (07/09/2012) [-]
What if the internet is god?
User avatar #31 to #26 - bruin (07/09/2012) [-]
So google is his son?
User avatar #27 to #26 - punmeister (07/09/2012) [-]
Then... who was phone?
#25 - mr skeltal (07/09/2012) [-]
If there is a god in religious terms or not is irrelevant. Things happen, chemicals pass on, get reused. Energy, energy used to make you think is transferred to other things. All of existence follows the rules of physics. When things in existence don't follow these rules, it means we have to change our rules. WE aren't perfect and our understanding of everything will slowly change and modify itself. If all science were to be wiped out, it may not come back the same way. We may find things that prove our old beliefs wrong(or at the very least not as accurate as we thought). Things may just happen for a reason. Or perhaps the rules that govern our existence are decided by a higher power and it goes out of it's way to make its own existence hard to prove. OR not. Maybe rules are just rules. But there are infinite dimensions. Rules will be different. Things will be different. We cannot be absolute in science. Though I don't believe in god, I believe that certain things must have a level of "conscience" and that is why the rules follow these patterns. I'm going to sit on the belief that science may change, but I will do my best to understand the current science, and accept that when I die I will not know the true nature of my existence nor anyone else's.
#24 - mr skeltal (07/09/2012) [-]
repost but still one of my favorite quotes
#23 - mr skeltal (07/09/2012) [-]
A lot of scientific GENIUSES were religious... Not to mention how science almost proves a higher power. The scientific god may be completely different from the religious god, but I do believe that the universe just pulled itself out of its own ass and suddenly created super awesome super life of super smarts (lol humans are actually quite stupid, anyways) out of sheer coincidence. I do think that there was something that was like " **** it, I'm blowing up atoms today. Oh look, a universe... well, I don't want it to go to waste... BLAM! life up in this bitch!"

I'm not a creationist at all, but I do believe in some sort of scientific god of some sort. None of this good or bad ******** as everything is just as bad as it is good. Since everything is purely neutral, the **** is good or bad? The is beginning, chaos and end. no good, no bad... ******* CHAOS!

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#342 to #18 - mr skeltal (07/09/2012) [-]
but why would he have done that? "hurr durr im a gonna make a world and just do nothing"
User avatar #41 to #18 - guywithguitar ONLINE (07/09/2012) [-]
Mine's similar, I believe that God indeed does exist, but does not interfere with any human affair.
User avatar #29 to #18 - ICEDgrunge (07/09/2012) [-]
Look up the religion called Deism, it kindof reflects that idea, I personally am fond of it, but as a christian it's not exclusively what I should call myself. My personal opinion is that I would rather believe in something rather than nothing, for what if I am right? I see everyone I ever loved, and more, if I'm wrong, then nothing happens, in a very poor choice of words in this case, big whoop, but that's my opinion, I won't bash anyone's head in with it.
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#17 to #13 - shadoward (07/09/2012) [-]
us getting free will was not the will of god, he was flat out against it for the record, so no, i don't think everything that happens would be the will of god, plus with all the suffering in the world, that'd kinda make him a dick.
User avatar #14 to #13 - kamusioso (07/09/2012) [-]
so... the fact that my grandmother died last year suffering, without the hability to remember my face, being a shell of the sweet person she used to be, is part of his divine plan?
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User avatar #50 to #16 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
But... she didn't just die. She died suffering.
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User avatar #999 to #997 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
You're missing the main point. Even if she's in a wonderful place now, that doesn't erase what happened to her in the past. She ******* suffered. And your beliefs attribute that to a God. A God who would allow that to happen just isn't worth worshipping.

You should feel sorrow because she suffered, and so did those around her. Your God should have and could have prevented that suffering. And her being in heaven doesn't change any of that.
#19 to #16 - patchesdacrazy (07/09/2012) [-]
You have such a way with people, you know that?
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#12 - DoctorWaffless (07/09/2012) [-]
Quick take the opinion OF A MAGICIAN seriously
User avatar #49 to #12 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Being a magician doesn't mean he believes in magic. It's all illusions for entertainment. Who knows, he could have other credentials. And who he his doesn't affect the validity of his point. Attacking him instead of his argument is a logical fallacy called ad hominem.
#10 - BrooklynRageMan (07/09/2012) [-]
well most religions are based off miracles from people, and science is always being improved and **** so its quite possible that science might not be discovered fully, and religions could still exist if jesus, mohammed and others came back.
#15 to #10 - shadoward (07/09/2012) [-]
science would always be discovered, the more you test it the more it proves to be true, and the truths never change, so eventually people would have the same grasp on it we do now, however if religion were gone, it would never come back in the same way, because its based off story's passed down by word of mouth, and not facts that are set in stone.
User avatar #9 - thatawesomekid (07/09/2012) [-]
>Implying that he knows for a fact that god doesn't exist.

Seriously, how stupid can you get. Stick to magic tricks, not Theology.
User avatar #55 to #9 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
He thinks that he knows that for a fact. I think he's okay with implying that.

It doesn't really make him stupid, it's just his set of beliefs.
User avatar #62 to #55 - thatawesomekid (07/09/2012) [-]
He thinks he knows it, but he should be at least smart enough to know that it's not a "fact" at all.

Yes, even if his beliefs are extremely subjective and obviously wrong.
User avatar #189 to #62 - msvegeta (07/09/2012) [-]
Most atheists think they know it for a fact. Because they are the group that relies the most on modern science, which they trust most. Thinking that they're right doesn't make them stupid. You're essentially saying that an entire group of people is wrong for knowing they are right. That's not cool. Be respectful of others' beliefs.
User avatar #393 to #189 - thatawesomekid (07/09/2012) [-]
I'm respectful to others' beliefs when they're respectful to others as well. What he said is still incredibly stupid, and impossible to take seriously due to the impossibility of him knowing if God truly exists.
User avatar #996 to #393 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
His statement was about how God doesn't exist. Of course he thinks he knows for a fact that God doesn't exist. That's not stupid. That's what he thinks.
User avatar #1002 to #996 - thatawesomekid (07/10/2012) [-]
For instance: I know for a FACT that you are a bot designed to reply to my comments. That's just the way it is.

See how stupid that is? Sure, there is an unlikely chance of it being true, but it's what I think. Must not be stupid then.
User avatar #1001 to #996 - thatawesomekid (07/10/2012) [-]
But what he thinks IS stupid.
User avatar #1009 to #1001 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
What he thinks is not stupid. The chance of him being right is not unlikely. It's pretty damn great, and the more advanced our science becomes, the bigger the chance gets.
User avatar #1011 to #1009 - thatawesomekid (07/10/2012) [-]
>Mfw science can prove that god does not exist

Just stop the argument here. You've said enough.
User avatar #1012 to #1011 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
Well, there is a right answer. And science can help us get there. Right now some would argue that science can still support both sides. I think that gradually, we will advance to a point where we know for sure. I am of the opinion that we will find that God does not exist. But who knows? Right now I think the chances are just about even. There's nothing stupid about thinking that. At least I'm not going around calling people stupid like SOME people are (hint hint)
User avatar #1013 to #1012 - thatawesomekid (07/10/2012) [-]
Ya know, you're a nice guy, compared to me.

But, science will never be able to disprove the existence of god, no matter how much it advances.
User avatar #1014 to #1013 - msvegeta (07/10/2012) [-]
Einstein has a quote that says "everything is impossible until it is actually done." So, who knows? I don't think we can say reasonably what the limits of science will be.
User avatar #1015 to #1014 - thatawesomekid (07/10/2012) [-]
Hm, to a point, I guess I myself, -cannot disprove what you're saying-

I still believe it is something that simply can't be done, but who knows. I can't say for a fact that it won't, but I can say I believe i is impossible.
#21 to #9 - patchesdacrazy (07/09/2012) [-]
>Implying that there is no question of Gods exhistance.   
   
Seriously, how ignorant can you get. Stick to STFU, not Logic.
>Implying that there is no question of Gods exhistance.

Seriously, how ignorant can you get. Stick to STFU, not Logic.
User avatar #61 to #21 - thatawesomekid (07/09/2012) [-]
Learn how to spell "existence" before using it to try to act superior to me.

And don't imply that any ignorance I possess is anywhere near your amount. I obviously only implied there is no way he knows for a fact that go doesn't exist.

In short, your post is bad, and you should feel bad.
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User avatar #5 - brianboitano (07/08/2012) [-]
Unless there was a God in the beginning who planned everything out so that science would exist. Deism my friends.
User avatar #2 - jerkwadsomthing (07/08/2012) [-]
A comedian and a magician :D
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#3 to #1 - mr skeltal (07/08/2012) [-]
Magician
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