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Comments(208):
this post made me stand up, go to the cupboard and grab some popcorn. Thanks alot OP, I'm on a diet.
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N. Korean citizen (06/19/2012) [-]
**anonymous rolled a random image posted in comment #11 at From Disney ** The first thanksgiving
Woah, Funnyjunk doesn't know a shit about history
Indians died because they weren't ready for the illness that we were used in Europe, so most of them died being sick
Indians died because they weren't ready for the illness that we were used in Europe, so most of them died being sick
One thing most people don't know is that the indians were decimated by disease before most colonists even made it to the New World. About 90% were dead by the time most colonists started settling.
And then the indians were hit with the European diseases.
And then the indians were hit with the European diseases.
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durkadurka ONLINE (06/20/2012) [-]
The only incorrect thing I stated was incorrect due to omission. I neglected to explain that the initial wave of disease was also European driven as well. Also, "then" could have been replaced with a better descriptive word in the last sentence.
http://www.bergonia.org/History/History-Plagues.htm
www.nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/1142/american-indians-and-european-diseases
Know what you're talking about before you call someone an idiot. The largest decline in Native population was a result of diseases contracted after initial contact with European explorers. The effects of this were not noticed until colonization began to pick up almost 150 years later. New settlers noticed a much smaller Native population than what had previously existed.
If you were familiar with the story of Squanto's life, you would understand that entire tribes died off rather quickly. Other more "lucky" tribes experienced death rates of around 50%
Disease is ALWAYS the biggest killer, especially when its victims have no immunity.
Even in WAR, the biggest killer (until very recently) has been disease.
http://www.bergonia.org/History/History-Plagues.htm
www.nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/1142/american-indians-and-european-diseases
Know what you're talking about before you call someone an idiot. The largest decline in Native population was a result of diseases contracted after initial contact with European explorers. The effects of this were not noticed until colonization began to pick up almost 150 years later. New settlers noticed a much smaller Native population than what had previously existed.
If you were familiar with the story of Squanto's life, you would understand that entire tribes died off rather quickly. Other more "lucky" tribes experienced death rates of around 50%
Disease is ALWAYS the biggest killer, especially when its victims have no immunity.
Even in WAR, the biggest killer (until very recently) has been disease.
Great, cite something that looks only in depth to the diseases, and none of the other factors that killed the Native people, like I dunno. Deliberate slaughter? Starvation? (due to European overhunting), confinement?
They lost people to disease. Alot of people. But not nearly anything close to 90%
They lost people to disease. Alot of people. But not nearly anything close to 90%
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historybuff (06/19/2012) [-]
Why is he being thumbed down? He is entirely fucking correct. Experts estimate by the time the Mayflower reached New England, 95-98% of the Native American population had already been wiped the fuck out by diseases that had spread up from South America. Here, take my thumb, apparently, being smart is not valued any more.
Native American people were brutalized by diseases, yes. But nothing close to 90% Nowhere fuckin near that. The Native People were able to live in relative peace with the European settlers until they began establishing their own government. They began confining the native people. THAT'S when we started dying off. Any who was off their reserve was fair game to be killed, anyone tribe who refused was wiped out.
Even prior, mass hunting decimated our food sources, the extinction of the Bison was perhaps the biggest in this case.
Yes disease did kill alot of native people, but not nearly anything motherfucking close to 90%. In fact, many native tribes knew how to cure some of the diseases the Europeans were suffering from when they arrived
Even prior, mass hunting decimated our food sources, the extinction of the Bison was perhaps the biggest in this case.
Yes disease did kill alot of native people, but not nearly anything motherfucking close to 90%. In fact, many native tribes knew how to cure some of the diseases the Europeans were suffering from when they arrived
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historybuff (06/20/2012) [-]
No, see thats where you're wrong, because the Amerindians had never been exposed to these diseases before, they had never developed immunities to things as common as the cold, which killed them like flies.
Ever heard of Squanto? As a kid, he was kidnapped and used as a translator, eventually making his way to spain and learning English. Then he hitched a ride back to his neck of the woods, only to find his entire tribe had been wiped out by disease, a 100% mortality rate. Thats where the Europeans found him, and, having no family of his own anymore, he took them in and showed them the land. This little story is just an account to demonstrate the severity that European diseases had on the Native American Population.
Estimates prior to 1492 place the population of the Americas at around 22 million (thats a pretty shaky number, feel free to add or subtract 5-10 million). By the time Jamestown was settled, it was more like 2.2 million (read two point two million).
This has nothing against Amerindian culture. In almost every way they were superior to Europeans of the day. Hygienically, socially, and militarily. Had it not been for disease, the Americas would've gone the way of India or Southeast Asia. Partially colonized, peoples enslaved, but eventually gained their independence, INSTEAD of becoming white or Latino majority countries.
Ever heard of Squanto? As a kid, he was kidnapped and used as a translator, eventually making his way to spain and learning English. Then he hitched a ride back to his neck of the woods, only to find his entire tribe had been wiped out by disease, a 100% mortality rate. Thats where the Europeans found him, and, having no family of his own anymore, he took them in and showed them the land. This little story is just an account to demonstrate the severity that European diseases had on the Native American Population.
Estimates prior to 1492 place the population of the Americas at around 22 million (thats a pretty shaky number, feel free to add or subtract 5-10 million). By the time Jamestown was settled, it was more like 2.2 million (read two point two million).
This has nothing against Amerindian culture. In almost every way they were superior to Europeans of the day. Hygienically, socially, and militarily. Had it not been for disease, the Americas would've gone the way of India or Southeast Asia. Partially colonized, peoples enslaved, but eventually gained their independence, INSTEAD of becoming white or Latino majority countries.
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dustykeyboard (06/19/2012) [-]
**dustykeyboard rolled a random image posted in comment #6037802 at FJ Pony Thread ** I read I came here to eat indians and kill popcorn
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ednaeoj (06/19/2012) [-]
**ednaeoj rolled a random image posted in comment #25 at Epic Snake Wallpaper **
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toniprovolone (06/19/2012) [-]
My family came over on the Mayflower. I'm also part Native American.
Well that's kind of counter productive isn't it?
Well that's kind of counter productive isn't it?
actually, in terms of these events, that corn was stolen from other tribes, basically all the food was taken from the natives they slaughtered.
uh, yes. yes it was.
"Thanksgiving Day" was first proclaimed by the Governor of the then Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 Indian men, women and children who were celebrating their annual Green Corn Dance - Thanksgiving Day to them. They were attacked by mercenaries, English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from their long house building and as they came out were shot down. The rest (women and children) were burned alive in the building. The very next day the governor declared a Thanksgiving Day and for the next 100 years, every Thanksgiving Day ordained by a Governor was in honor of the bloody victory, thanking God that the "battle" had been won."
"Thanksgiving Day" was first proclaimed by the Governor of the then Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 Indian men, women and children who were celebrating their annual Green Corn Dance - Thanksgiving Day to them. They were attacked by mercenaries, English and Dutch. The Indians were ordered from their long house building and as they came out were shot down. The rest (women and children) were burned alive in the building. The very next day the governor declared a Thanksgiving Day and for the next 100 years, every Thanksgiving Day ordained by a Governor was in honor of the bloody victory, thanking God that the "battle" had been won."