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#63645 - schnizel (05/13/2014) [-]
This made me lol
User avatar #63676 to #63645 - johnstuartmill (05/14/2014) [-]
Aggregate demand for demolition that is.
#63635 - pebar (05/13/2014) [-]
#63625 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/13/2014) [-]
So, is anyone here actually for Russia in this entire situation we call the Ukraine Crisis and why? I'm here to argue and see other perspectives.
So, is anyone here actually for Russia in this entire situation we call the Ukraine Crisis and why? I'm here to argue and see other perspectives.
User avatar #63657 to #63625 - byposted (05/13/2014) [-]
I support Russia on a nationalist platform. The Federation had a core in the Donbas, as in the Crimean Peninsula, and proper justification to cease it.

I remember reading a post by Church here a while ago, before the annexation of the Crimea. He used a very liberal line to denounce Russia's intervention, as it were: it isn't the 19th century anymore. I wish I could ask him for clarification, as Russia has never been bound by the cosmopolitan structure of the EU. Nor has the US, for that matter, whose tentacles were in Galicia from the beginning.
User avatar #63673 to #63657 - byposted (05/14/2014) [-]
#63642 to #63625 - anonymous (05/13/2014) [-]
You won't find many westerners for Russia. But what irritates me is that the West seems somewhat shocked that Russia is acting the way they are. The West has been poking the bear ever since the wall came down, and the NATO boarder has been moving increasingly closer to the Russian. Ukraine was one of the few pro-russian countries left, and with a 40+ million population, its quite an ally to suddenly lose. Furthermore, Russians have a great deal of national pride, and the way the West has been acting over the years, they've felt mocked and humiliated, especially during Yeltsin's period. Putin is restoring this national pride. This whole Ukraine affair has only been favorable for him and Russia.
So basically, westerners hate him, but the Russians worship him.
User avatar #63648 to #63642 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/13/2014) [-]
Yes I know, but you seem to still agree it's not justified right?
#63654 to #63648 - anonymous (05/13/2014) [-]
From a Russian viewpoint I'd say it is. The West slept in class and gave Putin the needed situation to strengthen Russias geopolitical position. But I'd be careful to take anyone's side until the presidential elections are over. The core of the conflict is that no one knows what the people wants, which both sides are using to their advantage. When/if the elections are held properly, we will know who are the good guys in this conflict - if there are any.
User avatar #63630 to #63625 - ronniesan ONLINE (05/13/2014) [-]
As far as taking the Crimea I get it. They want the port, they invested in the port over years, and they're afraid that they wont be allowed to rent it under the new Ukrainian leadership. Ukraine is s pisspoor country that could make use of the Russian leadership, It would probably be best for Russia to just take the entire nation but that likely wont happen.
User avatar #63629 to #63625 - majormavor (05/13/2014) [-]
why are you such a faggot?

That is the question
#63627 to #63625 - lulzfordonetsk (05/13/2014) [-]
Any actual argument for Russia? Like seriously? The eye for an eye argument doesn't work, there is no real justification, the only thing is the nationalistic bias you have towards your country cough cough schnizel this is why it can be a problem cough cough and I actually have a Russia friend like that who happens to be very intelligent except for this one issue.
User avatar #63624 - feelythefeel (05/13/2014) [-]

If you were given this speech, how willing to fight to the last would you be on a scale of completely to absolutely?
#63618 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
#63620 to #63618 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
Shitposting loudly
#63623 to #63620 - anonymous (05/13/2014) [-]
#63601 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Pebar, herrrroooo!
#63603 to #63602 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Don't make me zykolne b y
So pebar, tell me about the smaller goverment.
#63604 to #63603 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
Government is the authority that tells people what they can and cannot do and what they must do.
To an extent, this is a necessary component of society because people are inherently not nice to each other.
However, this power can get out of control very quickly. For example, the king can tax his citizens and leech off them. The king has the power to execute people on a whim. You must be very cautious how this power is used.

Voluntary action is the opposite of government. As a general rule, people should be allowed to decide for themselves how they live their lives.

Unless you believe in a totalitarian government that should tell its citizens when to eat, when to sleep, who to breed with, how to work, then you believe in some form of limited government. The question is how limited that government should be.

In my opinion, government should be very limited because the voluntary cooperation between many individuals is quite sufficient to develop a well-functioning society. On the social side of things, I believe people should mind their own business and that people should not be restricted from acting in such a way that does not harm anyone else.
#63606 to #63604 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Official Call of Duty®: Advanced Warfare Reveal Trailer
I love this one.
#63605 to #63604 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Fuck that shit, hail to the king.
So, you want Africa 2.0?
User avatar #63607 to #63605 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
Most countries in africa have large governments and they restrict free trade....
#63608 to #63607 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
It's not the size of the hammer.   
And I mean tribal warfare and everymanforhimself, no sense of unity, noone in control and complete and utter chaos.   
Show me where and when has a nation risen without an iron fist?
It's not the size of the hammer.
And I mean tribal warfare and everymanforhimself, no sense of unity, noone in control and complete and utter chaos.
Show me where and when has a nation risen without an iron fist?
User avatar #63609 to #63608 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
Milton Friedman - What is America? (Lecture) America, before the depression, before the government expanded to what we have now.
During the late 19th and early 20th century, America saw the greatest economic expansion the world had ever seen.
User avatar #63610 to #63609 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
The free market is cancer.
The Founding Fathers knew the market only "worked" for those with power. Alexander Hamilton established the American School of Economics based on anti-free trade principles to protect the emerging US economy from British industry,
The American School turned the US into an economic superpower. The US decline began with the adoption of neoliberal, free market, economics.
David Riccardo's argument for "comparative advantage" was blown out of the water by the Founding Father: Alexander Hamilton (he established the American School of Economics).
Hamilton recognized the US could not compete with British industry, so he sought to protect the US from free market competition.
I suggest you read "Report on Manufacturers".
The founding fathers knew free trade was cancer.
It stopped the US from having to trade in the open markets with British industry. British industry was founded on free market principles, the Founding Fathers knew they could NOT compete. The British economy would destroy US industry before it had a chance to establish itself. The US under the American School of Economics, was protectionist and interventionist.
>these three core policies:
>1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
>2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
>3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation
The American School was anti-free trade.

This one below is from 4chin 2
User avatar #63614 to #63610 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
The founding fathers weren't economists and hardly knew anything about capitalism.
Adam Smith, basically the first economist, wrote The Wealth of Nations in 1776 which was arguably the foundation of capitalist thought.
The founders mean nothing to me; they just had a handful of good ideas.
#63615 to #63614 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Y bring shame to yo famiry and they have no been fere market wizard nigga.
User avatar #63611 to #63610 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
"Except that your scenario is dependent upon a "failing" human being voluntarily sinking and/or never taking responsibility for himself by using his natural talents to employ force against other human beings...which we all know is patently ridiculous. A starving man is just going to steal food.

Your counter-point to the above (say, people voluntarily paying for law enforcement to prevent getting robbed) is dependent upon people privately giving money to another person/groups of people to deal with/prevent this problem. Sure, you preserve the freedom not to pay for this service if you don't need it. Ok. So what happens when an unguarded homeowner is hopelessly outnumbered by hungry people who want his property? Are you really so arrogant to think that you could successfully defend your homestead against a dozen armed attackers?

You have, essentially, advocated the exact same system: needing to pay money so that you won't be killed in your bed by a hungry person. The only difference between you and a socialist is that the socialist wants to help people in need, whether through necessity or a sense of morality, while you actively wish savagery to be visited upon the people least able to survive it. The net cost will be the same...if it's not, living standards decrease and the population will shrink through attrition."
-Some anon
User avatar #63594 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
EconPop - The Economics of House of Cards
User avatar #63600 to #63594 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
*dibs smaller goverment*
#63588 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
User avatar #63626 to #63588 - feelythefeel (05/13/2014) [-]
Tell me why I should care and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
#63592 to #63588 - pebar (05/12/2014) [-]
this isn't 4chan
this isn't 4chan
User avatar #63585 - feelythefeel (05/12/2014) [-]
Communism: If you worked your whole life for one apple and Johnny inherited three, Johnny's a bourgeois bastard.
Liberalism: If welfare worked your whole life to get you one apple and Johnny inherited three, you can sue if you're black or have tits.
Conservatism: If you worked your whole life for one apple and Johnny inherited three, it's because Johnny worked harder for it.
Fascism: If you worked your whole life for one apple and Johnny inherited three, you're worrying too much about apples. Join the army.
User avatar #63616 to #63585 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Hows life?
User avatar #63589 to #63585 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
Or the navy.
User avatar #63595 to #63593 - schnizel (05/12/2014) [-]
#63583 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
#63580 - alimais (05/11/2014) [-]
When did you stop watchin Tel-Avivsion media ?
User avatar #63582 to #63580 - teoberry (05/11/2014) [-]
i c wat u did ther
#63571 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/11/2014) [-]
How will the political compass of the western world change as we discover more, increase our scientific knowledge and technologically progress in total?
User avatar #63579 to #63571 - beatmasterz (05/11/2014) [-]
Probably more and more left, considering how shit the earth is currently.
#63577 to #63571 - dehumanizer (05/11/2014) [-]
see pic related
#63597 to #63577 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
>Bitches about other people doing something productive
>Continues to sit on idle hands and not join them in productive activity

#63591 to #63577 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
User avatar #63572 to #63571 - pebar (05/11/2014) [-]
I wouldn't be surprised if we lean more to at least a minimalist welfare state just so that the lowest of the low don't fall behind.
#63573 to #63572 - anonymous (05/11/2014) [-]
You mean so they don't get rifles and start shooting you all. There's a reason the welfare state exists,people don't stage uprisings if they are fed.
User avatar #63574 to #63573 - pebar (05/11/2014) [-]
people were fed before the welfare state
#63544 - majormavor (05/11/2014) [-]
#63568 to #63544 - pebar has deleted their comment [-]
#63575 to #63561 - pebar (05/11/2014) [-]
it's not a liquid
it's not a liquid
#63598 to #63575 - anonymous (05/12/2014) [-]
Scrooge really knows how to liquify his assets.
User avatar #63539 - undeadwill (05/11/2014) [-]
Who wants to have a libertarian skype party?
User avatar #63566 to #63539 - johnstuartmill (05/11/2014) [-]
Lets do this. What is your Skype?
#63543 to #63539 - anonymous (05/11/2014) [-]
#63534 - anonymous (05/10/2014) [-]
I was thinking the other day.

You'll often hear of prisoners being reformed through religion and going straight after leaving jail.
What if Churches could fund private prisons, and first time offenders or petty criminals could choose to go to one instead of a state operated prison?

I'm an Atheist myself, and largely secular.
Though I think something like that might work.
Our biggest problem with crime is repeat offenders.

I have a hunch something like this has been proposed before, but I don't know.
User avatar #63537 to #63534 - netzjager (05/11/2014) [-]
[Cough] Shawshank Redemption [Cough]

But seriously, Churches would have to be strict and non-secular when dealing with prisoners. A Muslim criminal is not as likely to be persuades by Christian teachings and even less so for an Atheist criminal. Its better to just change the system from a punishment to a rehabilitation system than to have churches take over Churches would most likely have programs set up outside of prisons to help ex-convicts, as they have right now .
#63536 to #63534 - pebar (05/11/2014) [-]
maybe the government should stop making crime profitable

But yeah... pastors go to prisons all the time to preach
#63523 - anonymous (05/10/2014) [-]
Funny fact:
Daimler, the mother company of Mercedes, also produces landmines, anti-landmine tanks and has stakes in major prosthesis manufacturers.
Now that's a clever bussiness strategy.
Whatever happens, if there is peace or war, they profit all the more.
User avatar #63532 to #63523 - netzjager (05/10/2014) [-]
A lot of large companies are Defense Companies for the United States. Like GE, BAE, and Boeing. They are merely dividing their resources to a broader area of research.
#63515 - majormavor (05/10/2014) [-]
darn jews
User avatar #63509 - metalmind (05/10/2014) [-]
I find it funny that there are still people who believe that we Germans are the "good guys" in the Eurocrysis.
Or that a lot of our media aren't puppets of the government. It's sadly true, a lot of major journalists and editors are members or employees of organisations owned by our government or NATO lobbies. And they say that they Russian media is just controlled by the Kremel.
User avatar #63578 to #63509 - drastronomy (05/11/2014) [-]
found the greek
User avatar #63581 to #63578 - metalmind (05/11/2014) [-]
I'm German, and I don't even particularly like the Greeks.
I think that they are largely at fault, with their massive corruption and tax evasion.
But you can't deny that pretty much the only people that profit from Greeks austerity are us and the French, who also own Greeks debt.
#63497 - dehumanizer (05/10/2014) [-]
>there are still people out there who dont belive 9/11 was made by jews

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User avatar #63510 to #63497 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/10/2014) [-]
Yep like 97% of people in North America and Europe probably?
#63512 to #63510 - pebar (05/10/2014) [-]
the name...
User avatar #63513 to #63512 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/10/2014) [-]
you mean cuz its dehumanizer?
User avatar #63514 to #63513 - pebar (05/10/2014) [-]
User avatar #63569 to #63514 - lulzfornigeriagirl (05/11/2014) [-]
yeah i always create lulzfor(tragedy) names because I keep getting IP banned by admin for spam.
#63502 to #63497 - liberalgodess (05/10/2014) [-]
escalating an already tense situation in the middle east would not be good for the jews
escalating an already tense situation in the middle east would not be good for the jews
#63493 - anonymous (05/10/2014) [-]
#63533 to #63493 - anonymous (05/10/2014) [-]
I guess that means real housepets are liberals then: Living entirely off a hand that feeds them and not doing any work.
User avatar #63521 to #63493 - undeadwill (05/10/2014) [-]
Dogs do so because we feed them and their is a treat for them.

Libertarians do not remove services we privatize them.

the last one ignores that while people have jobs animals do not.
#63504 to #63499 - anonymous (05/10/2014) [-]
>someone post comic about libertarians
>"I know what I'll do. I'll spam quotes and videos from this one guy. that'll show em"
User avatar #63506 to #63504 - netzjager (05/10/2014) [-]
The Nazis do it on every other post, so why are you even complaining?
User avatar #63507 to #63506 - schnizel (05/10/2014) [-]
We have cooler quotes.
User avatar #63508 to #63507 - netzjager (05/10/2014) [-]
I can definitely say they are catchy, but cooler? I'd have to see how any collars they pop
User avatar #63500 to #63496 - teoragnar (05/10/2014) [-]
Greed mean wanting to keep something for yourself, the state on the other hand uses this money.
It seems to personificate the state.
User avatar #63501 to #63494 - teoragnar (05/10/2014) [-]
This argument is useless unless you give me a list of all cases of poverty ever and their causes.
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