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#66903 to #66882 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
1. Putin can't run because he wasn't born in America.
2. If he ran as a Democrat it would be a ploy to garner ignorant votes before employing fascist policies.
3. Oh shit, it's Obama!
User avatar #66891 to #66882 - akkere (08/01/2014) [-]
I heard he'll fix the economy and raise our GDP by a whole 140%
#66863 - anonymous (07/31/2014) [-]
Was there ever or is there currently a dictatorship posing as a democracy, that made the puppet opposition appear legitimate?

Maybe the opposing party won a few seats in the legislature, or there was a closely contested presidential election. Or the voters truly believed that their votes would make a difference.
User avatar #66864 to #66863 - jettom (08/01/2014) [-]
Russia
#66852 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
Reminder that the US/EU were the ones who started the Ukraine conflict and technically have the blood of all people who died in the conflict on their hands.

Summary
Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told

German TV Maidan Sniper investigation
German TV. 10.4.14. Who were the Maidan snipers? Ukraine.
User avatar #66944 to #66852 - schnizel (08/02/2014) [-]
Just damn.
#66853 to #66852 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
Summaries of the war crimes by NATO backed mercs/soldiers   
   
     
     
     
   
   
Pretty much shows Kosher Jewish -Nazis
Summaries of the war crimes by NATO backed mercs/soldiers

Ukraine Crisis: War Crimes/Atrocities committed by Ukrainian Army [ENG] (Banned on mainstream media)
Ukraine Crisis: Death and destruction continues in Eastern Ukraine / Хунта убивает людей. [ENG SUB]
Ukraine Crisis: Mythical Bandera's followers, OUN-UPA, Waffen-SS Galizien [Banderovites exposed]


Pretty much shows Kosher Jewish -Nazis
#66854 to #66853 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
I use the term "Kosher-Nazis" because even though they could somehow assassinate all/most Oligarchs and blatantly evil/corrupt yids they choose to work/side with them.

Ukraine Crisis Today: Punitive Operation in Eastern Ukraine - Interviewing civilians [Eng subtitles]
Ukraine Crisis Today: Banderschtadt/Бандерштат - Unmasking Ukrainian Fascism [Stoppt die Nazis]
Ukraine Crisis Today: Democracy caught on camera (Mass genocide at the heart of Europe)

Also Israelis
#66855 to #66854 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
I mean people like those in the link   
i5.minus.com/id3DsVhPGqrjz.jpg  2big4FJ    
   
and how could they let Poroschenko to power ?   
wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1706_a.html#efmAZUAZ-   
   
He owns media groups  including one of the most popular TV channels, Kyivpost etc. ,  has deep ties with the US, was listed as one of the richest Jews on the world and even directly profits from the war via state through his armory/factory
I mean people like those in the link
i5.minus.com/id3DsVhPGqrjz.jpg 2big4FJ

and how could they let Poroschenko to power ?
wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1706_a.html#efmAZUAZ-

He owns media groups including one of the most popular TV channels, Kyivpost etc. , has deep ties with the US, was listed as one of the richest Jews on the world and even directly profits from the war via state through his armory/factory

Ukraine Crisis Today: Democracy caught on camera (this will never be shown on mainstream media)
#66874 to #66855 - anonymous (08/01/2014) [-]
First I heard that the new government in Kiev were literal Nazis, hardcore Ukranian nationalists, and Anti-Semites.

Now they're Jewish Oligarchs?
User avatar #66893 to #66874 - alimais (08/01/2014) [-]
They literally act like that but they are not NatSocs,

one of the extremists groups even met with Israeli politicians assuring their safety.
User avatar #66856 to #66855 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
Your opinion, schnizel on Kosher-Nazis?
User avatar #66890 to #66856 - schnizel (08/01/2014) [-]
Woah, gota see those vids 1st.
#66849 - anonymous (07/31/2014) [-]
Adolph Hitler "I need revolutionaries"Ray Sipe;Parody
#66848 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
Why are they so eager to import a pandemic into Europe ? Aren't aids, niggers and Muslims enough ?    
   
No, no , now it got to be aids infected Muslim niggers with Ebola.   
   
rt.com/uk/176980-ebola-virus-threat-uk/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome   
   
rt.com/news/176628-eu-ebola-high-alert/
Why are they so eager to import a pandemic into Europe ? Aren't aids, niggers and Muslims enough ?

No, no , now it got to be aids infected Muslim niggers with Ebola.

rt.com/uk/176980-ebola-virus-threat-uk/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

rt.com/news/176628-eu-ebola-high-alert/
User avatar #66842 - PopcornViking (07/31/2014) [-]
supporting israel or palestine basically comes down to this:

hamas does not want peace with israel
they dont want israel to exist anymore
that is why they have declined the two state solution in the past

israelis have killed palestinian children and hamas has killed jewish children
they both are firing rockets at each other because they dont like each other
and its been proven that rockets hamas has launched in gaza have landed in its own civilian areas

but it all depends on wether or not you think the jewish people should have a safe haven
both sides are equally guilty and neither deserve sympathy
#66865 to #66842 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
Equally guilty? I think you fell for too much Nazi propaganda.
User avatar #66867 to #66865 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
i still support israel but they are equally guilty
User avatar #66888 to #66867 - lulzfornigeriagirl (08/01/2014) [-]
You can't really support Israel and say they are equally guilty. They obviously aren't, Israel does go kinda rough on Gaza but it is mostly due to the fact that Hamas doesn't care and in fact most likely wants its civilians to die as Israel gets more heat. I don't think I need to give you examples as you most likely already know.

Remember, the difference in war is what you fight for. Does Hamas launch rockets into Israel to kill soldiers?
#66870 to #66867 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
No they're not.
User avatar #66866 to #66865 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
actually im Jewish

and Israel just blew up a public school in Gaza
User avatar #66886 to #66866 - lulzfornigeriagirl (08/01/2014) [-]
high five nigger!
#66869 to #66866 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
That was off-target artillery. Doesn't Hamas build their missile sites next to public schools?
User avatar #66871 to #66869 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
idk but hamas is a terrorist organization and doesnt really represent palestine
User avatar #66887 to #66871 - lulzfornigeriagirl (08/01/2014) [-]
except *cough cough the people of Gaza voted them in cough cough*
#66872 to #66871 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
That's right, but right now Hamas is representing Gaza, even if by force.
User avatar #66875 to #66872 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
honestly in my opinion

ISIS is a much bigger problem than israel and gaza shooting missles at each other
#66878 to #66875 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree completely, but one issue at a time.
User avatar #66879 to #66878 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
jordan is going to have to get involved
#66881 to #66879 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
Somebody needs to.
User avatar #66884 to #66881 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
shit is gonna really hit the fan soon

who knows whats gonna happen in the west bank
User avatar #66883 to #66881 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
iran needs to be dealt with too

instead of aiding hamas with missles simply because they hate jews, they could be further aiding iraq fight isis
User avatar #66873 to #66872 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
and theyre going to lose
#66876 to #66873 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
I can't wait. When I hear about civilians being used as shields for soldiers and states, I get furious, and that's not even the worst thing they do.
User avatar #66877 to #66876 - PopcornViking (08/01/2014) [-]
oh yea

my point is that palestine and israel are equally guilty
hamas is beyond more guilty
User avatar #66844 to #66842 - therealsuperderpy (07/31/2014) [-]
Pretty much both sides are the bad guys.
Although I think down on Hamas more I think because of how they basically use civilians as their shield to place blame on Israel for killing them.
They set up their rocket attacks from close to parks hospitals and schools.
And how they refuse ceasefires and let more innocents die.
#66843 to #66842 - alimais (07/31/2014) [-]
Look syrianassassin , is this what you wanted ?
Look syrianassassin , is this what you wanted ?
#66859 to #66843 - syrianassassin ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
some people are dumb dead and blind enough to ignore them
#66838 - anonymous (07/31/2014) [-]
www.bbc.com/news/business-28578179

Argentina defaults on it's debts.
I'm not very knowledgeable of economics.
So what could the consequences of this be?
User avatar #66839 to #66838 - pebar (07/31/2014) [-]
Sucks to be Argentina.
Governments, especially of welfare states, have to borrow a lot of money to pay their bills. If the government defaults, they lose their trustworthiness and people are reluctant to lend them money again. Without the government spending as much money, the people are going to have to deal with some uncomfortable changes. In the long run though, they should be fine. International trade will have to be adjusted some but that shouldn't be to big an issue for non-Argentinians.
User avatar #66809 - ribocoon (07/31/2014) [-]
A. One state solution
B. Two state solution
C. Nuke it all and give Japan the radioactive soil as a morbid joke.
#66811 to #66809 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
>No remove kike squatters option
#66805 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/29/nra-holocaust_n_5628484.html

"NRA Lobbyist Belittles Any Jew Who Backs Gun Control Because The Holocaust"
#66868 to #66805 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
One the first things any dictator does before oppressing the people is round up guns. Keep mitigating the holocaust. Maybe you'll be one of the next some government decides to cleanse.
#66810 to #66805 - ribocoon (07/31/2014) [-]
Remember the 6 trillion!
Remember the 6 trillion!
#66794 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
I bring you the footage of US evidence on the terroract on MH17 by Russians
I bring you the footage of US evidence on the terroract on MH17 by Russians
#66835 to #66794 - tredbear (07/31/2014) [-]
the whole thing was an obvious false flag operation conducted by Ukraine to put the blame on the Russians and have everybody pay attention to Ukraine, and not Palestine, giving Israel the chance to kill even more Palestinians without people caring due to media covering Ukraine and not Palestine.
the whole thing was an obvious false flag operation conducted by Ukraine to put the blame on the Russians and have everybody pay attention to Ukraine, and not Palestine, giving Israel the chance to kill even more Palestinians without people caring due to media covering Ukraine and not Palestine.
#66795 to #66794 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Meanwhile the blackboxes audio + simulations were published by the White House
Meanwhile the blackboxes audio + simulations were published by the White House
#66796 to #66795 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Russia now prepare for attack of NATO, shoot at dirt-holhol and drive in circles
Russia now prepare for attack of NATO, shoot at dirt-holhol and drive in circles
#66798 to #66796 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Meanwhile MC Vlad Vlad Put released his newest album
Meanwhile MC Vlad Vlad Put released his newest album
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User avatar #66790 - feelythefeel (07/30/2014) [-]
"Churchill is the very type of a corrupt journalist. There's not a worse prostitute in politics. He himself has written that it's unimaginable what can be done in war with the help of lies. He's an utterly repulsive creature. I'm convinced that he has his place of refuge ready beyond the Atlantic. He obviously won't seek sanctuary in Canada. In Canada he'd be beaten up. He'll go to his friends the Yankees. As soon as this damnable winter is over, we'll remedy all that."

-Adolf Hitler


As somewhat... haunting, as the idea is, did Hitler have some kind of deep rooted respect for Canada?
User avatar #66803 to #66790 - akkere (07/30/2014) [-]
It might've been less a deep rooted respect for Canada and more a statement against Churchill's character, that in essence only the "capitalist yanks" would be willing to accept such a dreadful character, in accordance to common views of the higher-ups of the Nazi Party (and possibly much other nations).
I'm not quite well-versed in what the global outlook of Canada and its people were at the time, but I don't think it was as negative as some nations might've perceived the US to be, as at this time the US amounted a reputation for double-dealing to both sides until the Lend-Lease act (which was signed in 1941) came around and we starting making shipments exclusive to "Allied" nations, primarily Britain but also including the Soviet Union, France, and even China. This didn't sit well with Hitler for obvious reasons, and some of that can be seen in his remarks like this one (which was recorded in 1942).
User avatar #66804 to #66803 - feelythefeel (07/30/2014) [-]
Ah. Thanks.
User avatar #66836 to #66782 - tredbear (07/31/2014) [-]
the biggest of keks
User avatar #66814 to #66782 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
so fucking stupid...
#66781 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
Comment Picture
The Drug War, the Fourth Amendment, and Anal Cavity Searches in New Mexico
User avatar #66778 to #66769 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Huehue
User avatar #66753 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
Can anyone remind me what happened to frisia and valeryia?
#67360 to #66753 - valeriya (08/07/2014) [-]
Badly phrased, to clarify I'm not in the army at all I'm doing what I want to.
User avatar #67364 to #67360 - lulzfornigeriagirl (08/07/2014) [-]
And that is?
#67365 to #67364 - valeriya (08/07/2014) [-]
Stuff things.
#67350 to #66753 - valeriya (08/07/2014) [-]
I check back when I have time which I don't. I'm not sitting in the army right now since what I wanted isn't going to happen.
User avatar #66801 to #66753 - byposted ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
He still lurks. I've been noticing him on the "recent users" tab from time to time.
User avatar #66813 to #66801 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
valeryia right? is frisia still in prison or something?
User avatar #66815 to #66813 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Correct. Valeryia's on my friends list. His last post here said something to effect that our idiocy warrants Stalinism.

Frisia has been incarcerated for a long time. God forbid that he goes full Breivik after being released.
User avatar #66818 to #66815 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
"Frisia has been incarcerated for a long time."

Wow really? Can you go into detail on what happened to that stupid, poor bastard?
User avatar #66819 to #66818 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
I couldn't tell you, but would like to think that he is a political prisoner.

www.funnyjunk.com/politics/54744

This may have been a troll.
User avatar #66820 to #66819 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
is that all the info you have on him?
#66824 to #66820 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Aside from private conversations, that's all I have to go on. He very well could have went onto the prison computer for the occasion of New Years, downloaded a spongebob reaction picture, and greeted us.
User avatar #66826 to #66824 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
Interesting... yes. Private convos before supposed prison right?
User avatar #66837 to #66826 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Indeed. He indicated some things which had me thinking.
User avatar #66787 to #66753 - oxan (07/30/2014) [-]
Last I heard, Val was with the Russian Army again.
User avatar #66812 to #66787 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
really? why?
User avatar #66846 to #66812 - oxan (07/31/2014) [-]
Because of Euromaidan. To be fair, I was pretty drunk when I was told, but that's what she said.
#67349 to #66846 - valeriya (08/07/2014) [-]
Yes calling me at weird times of day out of the blue.
#66773 to #66753 - anonymous (07/30/2014) [-]
THEY GOT STUCK IN FAT BEN'S POOP
User avatar #66761 to #66753 - schnizel (07/30/2014) [-]
Mossad.
User avatar #66744 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
We're targeting civilian uh military targets.
User avatar #66762 to #66744 - schnizel (07/30/2014) [-]
lel
User avatar #66754 to #66744 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
fuckin 8 m8
User avatar #66756 to #66754 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
I wonder why the guy slipped up?
User avatar #66757 to #66756 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
YES 8 HE WANTS TO KILL LITTLE PALESTINIAN KIDS FOR FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
User avatar #66758 to #66757 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
But why? What right minded person would want to do that? And how do these types of people get elected in the first place?
User avatar #66759 to #66758 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
You know it was sarcasm, so why are you taking it seriously.

And, refer to this to the answer for 2 www.funnyjunk.com/politics/66702#66702

And 3, I have seen him talk and he is a pretty smart guy with balls. And the Israeli people of course really need the later.
User avatar #66771 to #66759 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
Also, I'd like to add a point that I think is fair.

Israeli apologists always seem to return to the human shields argument, but think about this for a moment, what kind of defense is that even if it were demonstrably true? Lets say Palestine does use human shields; so Israel decides it's okay to shoot them anyway? What kind of moral reasoning is that? It makes Israel look as bad as the Palestinians. Why would anyone defend them?
User avatar #66772 to #66771 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
2. Hamas uses human shields in the form of hiding inside civilian communities while terrorizing at the same time. They hide fucking rockets in schools and mosques, they live in residential areas.
Hamas was literally voted in as government by these people, so you know what. They can suffer for it, the Palestinian people allow this to happen. I feel bad for them and their brainwashed minds.
And yes the human shield argument is good enough for me to attack Gaza, you can't just idly sit by and allow rockets to get fired into your country.
User avatar #66774 to #66772 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
Lets say that's true,so that gives Israel the right to target civilians? Asinine argument.

I've voted for a lot of people that didn't win. If my government fucks up, why should I pay the price? Why should anyone? If they're brainwashed as you say, then it's not really their fault. That's the entire point of brainwashing, so why kill them, including the children?

If the argument is good enough, then you've lost your humanity and cannot claim to be an honest moral citizen. You could have the same rocket argument from the perspective of Palestinians and under that logic, you'd have to acknowledge their actions are justified as well. But at the end of the day, it's the Palestinians that have been occupied, forcibly removed from their homes, and mistreated. And they don't even have a real military, unlike Israel. It's like cavemen with rocks attacking medieval, armored knights.
User avatar #66775 to #66774 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
>I've voted for a lot of people that didn't win. If my government fucks up, why should I pay the price?
Yeah... thats the whole point of government. You suffer if they fuck up , I'm sorry that I'm not looking at this from a human to human perspective. I think big picture.

>Lets say that's true,so that gives Israel the right to target civilians?
I don't at all believe they are purposefully trying to target civilians, it's just really hard not to. If you show me some proof I would be on your side on that specific matter.

>You could have the same rocket argument from the perspective of Palestinians and under that logic, you'd have to acknowledge their actions are justified as well

The difference is, rockets shot from Gaza are done constantly. Not during times of war, they just hate Israel. Israel fires on Gaza because it want to eliminate Hamas. The people of Gaza can't practcally expect to eliminate Israel by constantly firing rockets, it doesn't do them any good at all. Those two are not comparable to me.

>But at the end of the day, it's the Palestinians that have been occupied

OH NO! Those poor soles. The same ones who couldn't get along with Jews living in the Palestinian area for years even before the Second World War. The same ones who spent that time commiting violence and protests against the minority jews living in that area for decades. The same ones who tried to kill of all the Jews during the creation of the state. Yeah thats what happens when you try to conquer, you get conquered. That's why the 40% Jew, 60% Arab Palestinian border creation by the UN turned into a 75% 25% Arab border.
User avatar #66779 to #66775 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
Yeah... thats the whole point of government. You suffer if they fuck up , I'm sorry that I'm not looking at this from a human to human perspective. I think big picture.

Suffering? Okay, maybe. Death? No. That's just silly. Too many innocents.

I don't at all believe they are purposefully trying to target civilians, it's just really hard not to. If you show me some proof I would be on your side on that specific matter.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-presses-attack-16-killed-at-un-school/2014/07/30/4a643588-17a5-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html

The difference is, rockets shot from Gaza are done constantly. ...Those two are not comparable to me.

If the KKK started attacking Canada, would Canada be justified in attacking back and claiming innocent civilians, even if they were amongst those KKK members? Of course not. You can't blame an extremist group on all of the civilians. It's just now how it works, or at least shouldn't. I think Israel just uses it as an excuse to try and force them off the land so they can build more racial settlements.

OH NO! Those poor soles. The same ones who couldn't get along with Jews living in the Palestinian area for years even before the Second World War.
It takes two to get along. Besides, nobody likes to be occupied. Is it any surprise that an occupied people rise up and fight back? America did it. Some Jews did in WW2, countless nations over the years did the same.
Oh here it goes again, the Jews are little angels, without any violent baggage. All perfect saints. Please, that argument is getting a bit old isn't it? It isn't realistic. And the only thing that matters is what's happening now. You don't get charged for your ancestors mistakes, at least not in a moral society. That goes for both Israel and Palestine.
User avatar #66817 to #66779 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
Difference between Israel and Gaza. My horribly immoral perspective.

>Palestinians hate Israel and want to see the deaths of their civilians
>Palestinians purposefully target civilians every time they fire rockets, this isn't an isolated incident unlike when Israel might have it
>Their is constant, constant rocket fire

>Although many Israeli have taken a huge dislike to mudslimes, they don't want to see them all die of and civilians being killed and targeted just for fun
>Israel does not... referring to point 2
User avatar #66777 to #66775 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
Plus Palestinians purposefully try to kill civilians, I don't believe Israel does/wants that.
User avatar #66780 to #66777 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]

Israeli soldiers have:

Shot children playing soccer in streets...
Shots children throwing rocks...rocks...ROCKS!

Both incidents resulted in rocket fire from Palestine as retaliation, which resulted in bombardments of accurate, military grade missiles from Israel.
Now, that may not have been a good move on Palestine's part, considering Israel can't be blamed for a few reckless soldiers mistakes. But it sure does piss a lot of people off. And I can understand why they might take drastic and extreme measures, even if they're the wrong measures. But you still end up with an occupied, bullied nation launching shitty, inaccurate, little damage causing rockets against a world super power that over reacts and kills hundreds at a time.
User avatar #66816 to #66780 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/31/2014) [-]
www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-presses-attack-16-killed-at-un-school/2014/07/30/4a643588-17a5-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html Yeah I've heard about that already. I won't bring myself to believe that those smart kikes in the Israeli government/IDF would shoot UN schools just for the fun of it, it wouldn't make any sense on their part. It is most likely an accident. I know this sounds stubborn, but it just doesn't make any sense especially during times like these.

>Is it any surprise that an occupied people rise up and fight back?

Go check the history of anti-semetism in the Palestinian region prior to WW2.

I'll tell you this, I 100% agree that Israeli, illegally-built settlements are a complete 100% wrong on Israel's part. I used to live in one. And Israel may come off as a bully a lot of the time because of the sheer force they put on Gaza.
The problem in the end can be solved if Gaza and the Palestinian people were to finally except the state of Israel as a neighbor and Israel was to stop the creation of more illegal settlements. They of course can't give that already land built back. The problem however is that Israel does not trust Gaza with unsecured border control rightly so? I don't know and the people of Gaza have a deep seeded hatred of Israel and they would rather die.
As much as I hate Muslims, I don't necessarily take liking in their death.
User avatar #66765 to #66759 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
That's a pretty bad slip up to ignore and be sarcastic about. It's probably the only honest thing the man said all week.

2, That wasn't a very good response. Beginning with the crazy talk of "human shields". How preposterous. How effective is a human shield against a missile? How effective is it against something that destroys entire buildings at once?

Human Shields lol NO

Zionists flatten the city of Beit Hanoun in minutes FOX will say "human shields"

3, So massacring thousands of innocents to catch a few terrorists is okay as long as some guy is smart and has balls? I'm not okay with genocide and I don't think any right minded individual should be either.
User avatar #66789 to #66765 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Don't forget where a UN school recently was hit or the statement of the UN member who was at the market which got suddenly struck by a Israeli bomb

youtu.be/L3F1Y45XwfE
#66718 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
okay you kike bastards, convince me why i should support isreal over palestine
User avatar #66760 to #66718 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
Because Israel is God's chosen people.
User avatar #66766 to #66763 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
What right does a Catholic have to say about practitioners of Judaism?
User avatar #66808 to #66766 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
The relationship between God and those on earth is very pertinent to Christianity.

There exist, of course, "Zionist Christians," who clearly have never read the New Testament.
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#66767 to #66766 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
It has to be shut down.
User avatar #66768 to #66767 - eight (07/30/2014) [-]
Yes, Palestine must be shut down, because they are on God's chosen land. Blessed be his name.
#66770 to #66768 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
>implying israel will survive without the christian funding
>implying israel will survive without the christian funding
User avatar #66746 to #66718 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
I would try but you are waaaaaaaaaaaaay to stubborn anyways... am I rite?
#66750 to #66746 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
but why
User avatar #66751 to #66750 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
what do you mean why? you just are...
#66736 to #66718 - anonymous (07/30/2014) [-]
we need someone to hate.    
   
If Israel goes, who are we going to hate and bitch about?   
   
Support Israel.
we need someone to hate.

If Israel goes, who are we going to hate and bitch about?

Support Israel.
#66721 to #66718 - oxan (07/30/2014) [-]
This board is practically entirely pro-Palestine, or at least not pro-Israel.
#66699 - ribocoon (07/30/2014) [-]
ITT bullet point reasons why you support Israel/Palestine?   
I'm still on the fence honestly   
 Maybe try to have an intelligent discussion?
ITT bullet point reasons why you support Israel/Palestine?
I'm still on the fence honestly
Maybe try to have an intelligent discussion?
User avatar #66710 to #66699 - oxan (07/30/2014) [-]
Both sides have claims to the area. Israel's just really shit at PR.
#66713 to #66710 - alimais (07/30/2014) [-]
Why would you need PR if you have thousands of Schlomos defending Israel online ?
Why would you need PR if you have thousands of Schlomos defending Israel online ?
User avatar #66715 to #66713 - oxan (07/30/2014) [-]
That's what I mean. Jews will defend Israel, but the IDF appears to be attacking Gaza without any concern for civilians. Whether or not they are actually being cautious is another matter - it just doesn't appear that way.
#66748 to #66715 - anonymous (07/30/2014) [-]
I remember during the last attacks hearing that they dropped pamphlets warning civilians to take cover prior to bombing.

Haven't heard anything like that this time.
User avatar #66703 to #66699 - akkere (07/30/2014) [-]
I think "on the fence" is the best position to have so far.
Israel's on a massive power grab and doesn't hold back on unloading with indiscriminate fire, but the Palestinian power figures are hardly brandishing halos themselves, with the willingness Hamas has to throw civilians in the fire despite knowing Israel will be happy to take them if it meant stopping them.
#66702 to #66699 - cabbagemayhem (07/30/2014) [-]
Israel is judicious in her actions, and Gaza's actions are irrefutably terrorizing. Some think they are justified in terrorizing civilians. I think there is no justification for that. Hamas uses their own civilians as human shields. Israel tries to warn those civilians before strikes against their missile infrastructure.

Some blame Israel for the wall they built around Gaza isolating them, but the wall would never have been built if they weren't constantly trying to infiltrate Israel to kidnap and kill civilians.

Some point out the greater Gazan death toll (yet still remarkably miniscule) to wag the finger at Israel, but Hamas intentionally puts their civilians in harms way. Israel wants no civilian deaths, because it doesn't help her cause.

The only argument that sort of makes sense is that maybe the land belongs to Palestine, but it doesn't. The land has been an area of contention since the beginning of time because its location makes it a crossroads of religion, culture, commerce, and politics. In fact, the population of the land was overwhelmingly Christian and Jewish before the Muslim conquest, and they were there for thousands of years! So, what gives Palestine the right? Tell me why it should belong to them, and the Jews should have no place.

I say God bless it. The land should belong to people that don't find any excuse to blow up civilians and make perpetual war, real murderous war, in the name of Jihad or whatever the excuse. People that don't create children's shows that teach them violence and hatred before they're even old enough to read, like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Q8K5TmivM

Why should I sympathize with Palestine? Give me one redeeming quality of Palestine that deserves the grace Israel gives them. I think it's a good thing Israel can see the difference between Hamas and the civilians and not wipe them off the map as their enemies would gladly do to them.
#66806 to #66797 - cabbagemayhem (07/30/2014) [-]
"Israel Probes "Human Shield" Allegations"

"The video has prompted the army to launch a rare criminal investigation into whether its soldiers violated a landmark Israeli Supreme Court 2005 ruling barring the use of human shields."

"...the accusations of abuse are being made by Israeli soldiers. "

These are sentences you won't see describing Hamas who not only use human shields, but use their own civilians! And, it's supported all the way up the regime. Though, low-rank Israeli soldiers have done it, it is punishable if they are caught by the Geneva convention that they ratified. And, Hamas probably gave them the idea in the first place.
User avatar #66834 to #66806 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
it is punishable if they are caught by the Geneva convention that they ratified

Israel has veto power in the UN Security Council, though. Oops, I meant the United States. Same thing.
User avatar #66807 to #66806 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
I love that damage control. You deflect immediately to Hamas, as if the army of a "modern, democratic nation" can be placed on the same moral footing as the military wing of a "terrorist organization." Do you not see the doublethink?

First of all, as I've mentioned, the first Israeli use of human shields dates back to at least 1985 - before Hamas was even founded. This came during the second phase of the occupation of Lebanon, in which the Zionists, angry at having been humiliated, took drastic measures to quell militancy as they withdrew to the new frontline.

Suffice it to say that they failed, and only radicalized the population further. A lesson could have been learned from this and the proceeding operations which sought, and failed, to punish Lebanon's civilians, but the Zionist regime continued to talk in nothing but the language of force. Such brought their downfall in that episode, and shall in the Palestinian, God willing.
#66825 to #66807 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
Damage control? You think I thought for one second I would have any trouble finding those quotes in those articles? I'm not deflecting. I'm upset with them too for that, but it's one thing for atrocities to occur within your ranks and be condemned if discovered, and another for atrocities to be promoted and rewarded by the powers that be. Hamas doesn't get a free ticket to commit atrocities just because they're small or weak. No one gets a free ticket to murder just because they seem weak.
User avatar #66833 to #66825 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
What do you think became of that Israeli investigation but a slap on the fist, if even that? It was like a murderer investigating his own murder, with the catch being that he didn't even want to do it in the first place ("rare criminal investigation"). Nothing was condemned and there were no apologies, which is IDF tradition.

I did not say that Hamas has a free pass to do anything. I only pointed out that it's a bit hypocritical for Zionists to take the moral high ground with regards to Israel being, and I quote you, "the closest thing to Western civilization in the Middle East," while suddenly abandoning it when the "civilized" label produces unwanted responsibilities - such as ensuring proper conduct in wartime.

This really appears to be what you did, despite your objections. Instead of denouncing the usage of human shields in all instances, such as a professional spokesmen for the IDF would do, you immediately changed the subject to Hamas and drew a comparison with Israel to make the latter look favorable. That's deflecting if I've ever seen it.
#66858 to #66833 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
Without proof who did it, and not just second or third hand reports, you can't condemn someone, but they can emphasize policies against similar future activities, and that will show the reduced number of occurrences. You accuse the IDF of conspiracies without any evidence. While they're not exactly the same as Western civilization, they're a lot closer than who surrounds them.

"Instead of denouncing the usage of human shields in all instances..."
Because that should go without saying. This thread is about Israel and Hamas, not just human shields.
#66791 to #66702 - byposted ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
Interesting post. You've managed to write a concise essay using only Israeli propaganda one-liners.

I normally avoid FJ meme text, but I won't here so as to stay true to your linear writing style.

Gaza's actions are irrefutably terrorizing.

I believe that you are mainly referring to the strategy of firing rockets into Israel. This is a cornerstone of the Resistance's war doctrine in Gaza as it was in Lebanon, and to call it terrorizing is accurate.

Disrupting civilian life, however, is a common tactic employed by both parties in conflicts between state and non-state actors. The reasoning is universal.

With the Israelis being sent to bomb shelters, Hamas looks to gain leverage in the peace process by putting civilian pressure on Likud; through its policy of targeting civilian infrastructure, the IDF wishes to strike a blow to the popularity of Hamas.

That you can paint such a black and white picture of the "honorable Israel" and the "terrorist Hamas" despite the more colorful reality is, in part, due to the arbitrary definition of terrorism; governments being exempt, it is little more than a convenient label for the powerful to pin on their weaker enemies.

Some think they are justified in terrorizing civilians

Considering that the initiation of force lies with Israel, they are as justified as can be. The raids which the IDF conducted into the West Bank were not only illegal, but a violation of the November 2012 ceasefire.

Hamas uses their own civilians as human shields.

This is one of the most dishonest spins I've ever heard. Al Qassam and the other resistance factions in Gaza, essentially a densely populated refugee camp, specialize in guerrilla warfare.

What was it that Mao said of the guerrilla fighter, that he is as a fish in the sea of the peasantry? To blame the Resistance for fighting as it does exposes your bias, if it wasn't apparent already.

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User avatar #66792 to #66791 - byposted ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
The wall would never have been built if they weren't constantly trying to infiltrate Israel to kidnap and kill civilians.

As is true with other Zionist "security" arguments, there is more to the story than purely defensive considerations.

Israel has been using the wall to safeguard the colonization of occupied East Jerusalem. It is also seen as weapon to undermine the Resistance by making the economic situation ever more precarious in Gaza.

Some point out the greater Gazan death toll (yet still remarkably miniscule) to wag the finger at Israel

Surely you must be joking. The death toll, as it comes to Palestine-Israel standards, is the highest on both sides since 2008.

Israel wants no civilian deaths, because it doesn't help her cause

In what sense does it harm? The findings of UN inquiries? Israel has shown that it could care less about reports documenting her war crimes. Those can be dismissed, as always, with screaming "anti-Semitism."

What's certain is that Israel prefers civilian deaths to IDF deaths. If such were not case, we would be seeing a much different offensive approach.

In fact, the population of the land was overwhelmingly Christian and Jewish before the Muslim conquest, and they were there for thousands of years!

Before the Jewish conquest, the land was overwhelmingly populated by Canaanites, Amalekites, Assyrians, Egyptians, etc. DNA tests show that the typical Palestinian, Muslim or Christian, traces his ancestry back thousands of years to these nations.

So, what gives Palestine the right? Tell me why it should belong to them, and the Jews should have no place.

You are using a religious argument to justify the ethnic cleansing committed by Israeli Jews, a mostly irreligious people who have no ancestral roots to the Levant. It is you who has explaining to do.
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User avatar #66793 to #66792 - byposted ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
The land should belong to people that don't find any excuse to blow up civilians and make perpetual war

Wait, I thought you were arguing for Israeli claims.

The Zionists have much interest in making perpetual war, considering all the shekels they make on the international weapons market.

The land should belong to people that don't create children's shows that teach them violence and hatred before they're even old enough to read

The same concept goes back at the Jews.

countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/israeli-rabbi-issues-religious-ruling-that-children-in-gaza-can-be-killed/

deserves the grace Israel gives them.

"Grace" to you means something just short of genocide.

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#66821 to #66793 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
Nice argument. Let's try to get this more succinct. Use paragraphs, and try to ignore points that are no longer relevant.

"Disrupting civilian life, however, is a common tactic employed by both parties in conflicts between state and non-state actors."

1. Disrupting civilian life is one thing. Killing them is another. Besides, where I come from, we know that making enemies of civilians is no way to fight terrorism. If you can show me Israel is not a significantly farther on that road than Hamas, then I won't defend them at all. But if this is the worst you guys have against them, I'm going to have to support Zion.

"...definition of terrorism; governments being exempt, it is little more than a convenient label for the powerful to pin on their weaker enemies."

2. It can be, but I don't use it to refer to any guerrilla fighting forces, only when referring to the waging of war against civilians and the intent to make them feel terror.

"What was it that Mao said of the guerrilla fighter, that he is as a fish in the sea of the peasantry?"

3. It's one thing to hide amongst civilians, it's another entirely to forcibly use them as shields, or to recklessly endanger innocents without their consent.

"Israel has been using the wall to safeguard the colonization of occupied East Jerusalem. It is also seen as weapon to undermine the Resistance by making the economic situation ever more precarious in Gaza."

4. So, immigration control and trade restrictions? It could be worse. Maybe there is more to it than just defense, but Hamas gave them a pretty good excuse to build it. The barrier has been effective in preventing terrorists and suicide bombers from entering Israel from Gaza. Since 1996, virtually all suicide bombers trying to leave Gaza have detonated their charges at the barrier's crossing points or were stopped while trying to cross the barrier elsewhere. [1]

References:
1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier#Background
#66822 to #66821 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
"The death toll, as it comes to Palestine-Israel standards, is the highest on both sides since 2008."

5. The highest since all the way back to 2008? I know it's not the Iraq war, but those aren't unusually high numbers for an invasion, especially when Hamas is openly using human shields, and encouraging civilians to hang around areas likely to be bombed!

"Israel has shown that it could care less about reports documenting her war crimes. Those can be dismissed, as always, with screaming "anti-Semitism.""

6. Of course Israel cares about commiting war crimes. They're the closest thing to Western civilization the Middle East. Deny that they warn Gazan civilians before striking military compounds.

7. If there was no such thing as irrational hatred of Jews, no one would listen if they cried "anti-semitism." But there is, so deal with it.

"Before the Jewish conquest, the land was overwhelmingly populated by Canaanites, Amalekites, Assyrians, Egyptians, etc. DNA tests show that the typical Palestinian, Muslim or Christian, traces his ancestry back thousands of years to these nations."

8. The settlement of Israel is ancient, and all relevant ideologies (ie Jewish, Christian, and Islamic scripture) all acknowledge the legitimacy of the settlement. No trace remains of the nations or culture that reigned in those times. Palestinians, while many sharing genes with natives, are still distinct in culture and genetics. If the argument is that they lived there all along, explain the Arab acculturation? The Muslim conquest clearly displaced the Israelites in recent times.

"You are using a religious argument to justify the ethnic cleansing committed by Israeli Jews, a mostly irreligious people who have no ancestral roots to the Levant."

9. I hope I'm not doing any of those things. I'm referring to their race and culture, not just their religion. If there was only one Islamic nation, would you tell them they had no right to the land?
#66823 to #66822 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
10. They're not irreligious at all. They're just not as extremist as muslims.

"The Zionists have much interest in making perpetual war"

11. I said real murderous war, not just war. There's a difference between wiping out the enemy's women and children with your dying breath, and neutralizing a countries ability to commit those atrocities.

"The same concept goes back at the Jews. countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/israeli-rabbi-issues-religious-ruling-that-children-in-gaza-can-be-killed/ "

12. That article is about an extremist Rabbi saying its OK to kill the enemy's children. Everyone nation has a few extremists, but few nations are ruled by them. That just doesn't have the same effect as a children's show that uses Mickey Mouse imitations to teach them to hate and promotes violence.
User avatar #66828 to #66823 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Disrupting civilian life is one thing. Killing them is another.

They both have the same intended effect, however. Whether civilians are killed en masse (as in Gaza) or merely annoyed (as in Israel) by missile launches is irrelevant so long as the greater population grows tired of war. I was speaking of a strategy utilized by both sides.

we know that making enemies of civilians is no way to fight terrorism.

Would you concede, then, that Israel has not been doing a very good job? As I've said in my last post, Israel only speaks the language of force, which breeds reciprocation in force.

The Zionists responded to the political alliance between the PLO and Hamas by taking the first opportunity to raid the West Bank and illegally arrest politicians, clerics and the other "usual suspects." This was a blatant violation of the November 2012 ceasefire, as I've noted, which Hamas had respected.

Israeli provocation brought war, and what will be the effect of it? If history is to be learned from, the moderates (in this case, supporters of Abbas) will be undermined and the radicals will gain supporters and recruits willing for martyrdom.

It can be, but I don't use it to refer to any guerrilla fighting forces, only when referring to the waging of war against civilians and the intent to make them feel terror.

What do you think of my insinuation that Israel uses civilian terror as a weapon all the same (first quote)? You did not address it, which I believe was due to a misunderstanding.

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User avatar #66829 to #66828 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
It's one thing to hide amongst civilians, it's another entirely to forcibly use them as shields, or to recklessly endanger innocents without their consent.

The "human shield" meme, again, is only used by people with a bias; if you cannot respect what they're fighting for, you will denounce how they fight, even if it is the only available option to them.

The Resistance would commit nothing short of suicide by shifting their focus outside of population centers, as Israeli reconnaissance would surely discover any effort to construct bunkers and whatnot in the little open land available for excavation.

So, immigration control and trade restrictions? It could be worse.

I don't know about calling organized illegal settling "immigration control," but your point is fair enough. Just bear in mind that these extra uses of the wall in particular serve to further aggravate Gazans.

They're not irreligious at all. They're just not as extremist as muslims.

The majority of Israeli Jews identify as atheists. Factoring in the minority populations, half of the country is irreligious.

Of course Israel cares about commiting war crimes.

Again, where? Like after the 2008 war, when it denounced the Goldstone report, an objective UN inquiry into war crimes committed by both sides, as "antisemitic?"

If there was no such thing as irrational hatred of Jews, no one would listen if they cried "anti-semitism." But there is, so deal with it.

Have I been trelled?

Deny that they warn Gazan civilians before striking military compounds.

They do it when possible, but it appears to be nothing but a formality. Civilians are given upwards of a minute to get out of their buildings, which rarely is enough time.
User avatar #66832 to #66829 - byposted ONLINE (07/31/2014) [-]
Palestinians, while many sharing genes with natives, are still distinct in... genetics

Doublethink? A study I read, anyway, put the connection in the upper 90th percentile. It is clearly a very strong genetic connection.

I believe that race is the utmost consideration in land claims; religion and culture certainly means little in a region which served as a "crossroads" for centuries, a point which you made in your original post.

There's a difference between wiping out the enemy's women and children with your dying breath, and neutralizing a countries ability to commit those atrocities.

There's a difference, as well, between something which will happen and something which never will. Israel is the one which started this war, be it "real" or not, after a period of unprecedented peace, and it is the actor which will end it.

And what will be accomplished at that point? Will the Gazan's ability to launch rockets be neutralized? Will the population have renounced Hamas? Of course not; an unprecedented amount of Israeli soldiers have died for nothing.
#66860 to #66832 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
"Whether civilians are killed en masse (as in Gaza) or merely annoyed (as in Israel)"

1. That is the stupidest argument I hear in these debates. Deny that Israel takes more steps than ordinary to avoid civilian casualties. Deny Hamas intends to kill civilians, just isn't very good at it. Deny they cause their own civilian casualties using them as human shields en masse. Don't point to a few small scale instances with Israel to suggest they're anywhere near as bad.

2. No, killing civilian life is not somehow the same as disrupting it.

"Would you concede, then, that Israel has not been doing a very good job?"

3. I would concede that I demand them to do a better job still, but that they are still magnitudes better than their enemies.

"Israel only speaks the language of force, which breeds reciprocation in force."

4. Those raids were to arrest people vandalizing automobiles and such in Israel. Don't come on here and act like Israel is the war monger when Hamas fires rockets into Israel for any reason or even no reason at all.

"What do you think of my insinuation that Israel uses civilian terror as a weapon all the same (first quote)?"

5. What shelters does Israel bomb? Israel bombs military installations. Just because Hamas builds them in residential areas, does not mean Israel targets civilians.

"if you cannot respect what they're fighting for, you will denounce how they fight, even if it is the only available option to them."

6. Clearly they're not fighting for their people, so what is worth respecting? If you fight by sacrificing the thing you're supposed to be fighting for, then you've become your own enemy. The only reason using their own civilians as shields works is because Israel won't stoop to their level of disregard for life, and mow them all down together. There's nothing to respect about the way they fight.
#66861 to #66860 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]


"The Resistance would commit nothing short of suicide by shifting their focus outside of population centers, as Israeli reconnaissance would surely discover any effort to construct bunkers"

7. That doesn't explain why they would tell their civilians to ignore leaflets and stay in areas about to be bombed.

"these extra uses of the wall in particular serve to further aggravate Gazans."

8. They could have avoided it by not using the open border to sneak terrorists across. You force someone to build a wall when you keep throwing rocks at them.

"The majority of Israeli Jews identify as atheists. Factoring in the minority populations, half of the country is irreligious."

9. First paragraph of following link disagrees. And, I think the 46% who self-report as secular is a good indication of fewer zealots who would miscontrue scripture to advocate the atrocities common in Muslim-controlled territories.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel#Religious_self-definition

"...when [Israel] denounced the Goldstone report, an objective UN inquiry into war crimes committed by both sides, as "antisemitic?""

10. Maybe because that's exactly how it looks. The Goldstone report focused overwhelming on Israel's actions, while barely remarking on the deplorable actions of Hamas. It's skeptical of claims made by Israel, while believing unreliable claims made by Hamas. I'm all for holding Israel to a higher standard, but don't act like that can't be construed as anti-semitic.

"They do it when possible, but it appears to be nothing but a formality. Civilians are given upwards of a minute to get out of their buildings, which rarely is enough time."

11. They can't give them too much time or someone will warn Hamas and it could undermine the strike, but it's enough time for most people to get away with their lives, and it's more than anyone asked for, and more than any other country does.
#66862 to #66861 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
"I believe that race is the utmost consideration in land claims"

12. Well, race never did define borders. Culture is what defines borders.

"Israel is the one which started this war"

13. Hamas took a domestic dispute and made it a state issue by starting rapid fire missile strikes. How can you say Israel started it when Hamas has no interest in peace?

"And what will be accomplished at that point? Will the Gazan's ability to launch rockets be neutralized? Will the population have renounced Hamas?"

14. Yes. Hamas isn't in power by fair democratic processes. Fatah would be in power, like in the West Bank, if they had a choice. Hamas is a parasite on their own people, and Gazans are either already against it but can't do anything about it, or they're lied to so much they don't even know what's what anymore. I doubt the average Gazan would kill himself to hurt a few Israelis and provoke war on his people. That's just what Hamas does.
User avatar #66924 to #66862 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
Deny that Israel takes more steps than ordinary to avoid civilian casualties.

I don't mean to cause offense, but you're beginning to sound like a broken record. As I've mentioned, Israel does take such "steps," when possible, but it appears to be more out of PR concerns than anything.

After Israel was harshly rebuked for its conduct in the 2008 war, with calls for international tribunals, the IDF was clearly spooked, and now takes steps to make itself look better. What is this supposed to legitimize, exactly?

killing civilian life is not somehow the same as disrupting it

In the eyes of both sides, again, they are one in the same. I explained this in my original post, but will expand upon the point here.

The Resistance understands that Iron Dome is nothing more than a tactical solution to a strategic problem. As their rockets are launched, it is not mistaken that the chances of causing direct damage are slim; this is irrelevant. The strategy is not killing civilians, which you suppose, but gaining political leverage.

To say that the Resistance "is not very good at [killing civilians]" is an Israeli spin on par with "human shields." Above all the rhetoric, they are not ignorant of the realities.

Neither are the Israelis, for that matter, who were eager to undo years of reconstruction efforts in Gaza. The IDF may justify the bombing of infrastructure in any way they want, but demoralizing civilians is at the heart of their mission, as it was in 2008.
User avatar #66925 to #66924 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
I would concede that I demand them to do a better job still, but that they are still magnitudes better than their enemies

I would argue that combating terrorism is, in fact, not in their interest. The point died off earlier, but Israel seems to benefit more than they suffer from warring their weaker, Arab neighbors.

I used the example of speculation in the weapons industry, where buyers are always eager to get their hands on "tested" armaments and equipment, but what of simply giving military personnel the experience they need to give Israel a buffed-up world, and regional, standing?

Does such a theory make you question the dualism between evil and good, or is it something to be ignored in favor of more deflection?

Those raids were to arrest people vandalizing automobiles and such in Israel.

What role do politicians and clerics play in petty crime? Israel publicly justified the raids by arguing, off-the-bat, that Hamas was responsible for the kidnapping of the three Jewish teenagers, who were walking home from religious school. This has since proven to be unfounded.
User avatar #66926 to #66925 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
Don't come on here and act like Israel is the war monger when Hamas fires rockets into Israel for any reason or even no reason at all.

Arguing that Israel is in the defensive stance, despite having initiated hostilities, is a bit difficult. You must deflect to the rocket angle, which I went into above.

Let's analyze events instead of going back and forth with "no, my side is better!" The Resistance fired its first rockets into Israel as a response to Israeli actions in the West Bank. Perhaps it was unwise for them to have fallen into such a blatant provocation, but Israel was not awarded any special position in the ceasefire agreement.

Which, by the way, was broken in more ways than one. Many of those who were manhandled by Israeli troops had been released from Zionist prisons as part of the November 2012 terms. To clear someone of all wrongdoing, only to violate his rights afterward, is not only a breech of law but an undermining of goodwill and trust - essential elements to any contract.

I generally argue that war guilt is a silly concept, but the facts speak for themselves. Hamas had respected what it agreed to with Israel, who knowingly nullified it.
User avatar #66927 to #66926 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
What shelters does Israel bomb?

Too many to remember. Recently they bombed what had served as a UN school, filled with civilian refugees, by one of three rockets fired towards the vicinity. The Israelis claim that two struck the position of militants who were drawing fire near by, and that the other had accidentally veered off course due to of "GPS error." Considering Israel's history of lying in such cases, it is more likely that the rocket fire shifted with the natural movement of the militants towards the school - a position which is clearly marked as no-go by Israeli maps.

Anyway, shelters are merely one competent of the puzzle, and Israel wouldn't dare cause a massacre at one, lest they be forced to stop their operations for good. I was referring more to infrastructure, which Israel has been targeting since day one. Let's not forget the words of Eli Yishai: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages." www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/live-blog-day-4-of-israel-gaza-conflict-2012-1.478505

Just because Hamas builds them in residential areas, does not mean Israel targets civilians

Official justification does not elude a deeper purpose. This one is long established and has precedent.

Clearly they're not fighting for their people

How clear is it? The people voted in Hamas in 2006, after years of being wronged by Israel, and did it again following Israel's operation in 2008. That Gazans are not represented by the Resistance is just something the Israelis are trying to project into Palestinian politics so as undermine the entire system of "guerrilla fighter in the sea of the peasantry." In line with this is the military strategy of causing civilian terror, which you insist does not exist. This is funny considering many people like you typically take the "civilians voted in Hamas, they deserve death" angle
User avatar #66928 to #66927 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
The only reason using their own civilians as shields works is because Israel won't stoop to their level of disregard for life, and mow them all down together.

With all this constant talk about "shields," you still haven't provided me with an alternative strategy. Such only validates my point that one who does not sympathize with a movement will spin nearly everything it does into a weapon of libel. Continual rocket fire is "wanting to kill civilians," despite the tactic's much different origins in Lebanon; fighting how any organization could in a densely populated refugee camp is "having a disregard for life."

I don't know how far Israel can stoop, but crying about "rocket fire," and using it to justify further operations, in a war they are responsible for is somewhere down there.

That doesn't explain why they would tell their civilians to ignore leaflets and stay in areas about to be bombed.

Is it that difficult to see why the Resistance would prefer for the civilian population to not capitulate to psychological warfare? If the Israeli people did the same thing with Gazan rocket fire, then the Zionist jingoists who started this war would soon be on the opposition benches.

You force someone to build a wall when you keep throwing rocks at them.

And how has the predisposition for Palestinians to throw rocks been effected by Israeli policy? The third intifada nearly erupted, and, just like the Al-Aqsa before it, Israel was at fault.
User avatar #66931 to #66928 - byposted ONLINE (08/02/2014) [-]
The Goldstone report focused overwhelming on Israel's actions, while barely remarking on the deplorable actions of Hamas

That the report dwells more on Israeli crimes than the Resistance's couldn't have been due to the fact that there were more of the former to document - whether that be because there is simply more open information on one side, or that it reflects reality, or both. No, some judge from South Africa was "antisemitic," and that magical word automatically reinstates Israel as the infallible character which can dismiss all legitimate criticism with the push of a button.

The report is very detailed, analyzing in length the faults of both sides, and a few bad apples cannot deem the tree a bad one.

but it's enough time for most people to get away with their lives

There are some recordings which put this into question. In those instances, one would have to jump out of the window in order to escape in time.

How can you say Israel started it when Hamas has no interest in peace?

How can you say that Hamas has no interest in peace when it clearly had respected the ceasefire agreement it reached with Israel; that is, before the Zionists broke it? One with knowledge of Israeli history may say that the Zionists coveted war, and conducted the raids out of this reason.

Fatah would be in power, like in the West Bank, if they had a choice.

Abbas and Fatah have only lost popularity in the past month. The Palestinian people in the West Bank were so upset over Abbas' willingness to cooperate with Israel that they rioted, and there were martyrs.

To say that he represents Palestinian opinion, only to be set back in Gaza by a corrupt party, is not true.

I doubt the average Gazan would kill himself to hurt a few Israelis and provoke war on his people.

You do not understand the average Gazan. He has suffered enough to last a dozen or more lifetimes, and he who does not let his anger get the best of him is of a stoic breed.
#66934 to #66931 - cabbagemayhem (08/02/2014) [-]
We're up to 6 posts per comment. Most points are based on speculation or aren't important by themselves. The biggest issue is this comment:

>With all this constant talk about "shields," you still haven't provided me with an alternative strategy. Such only validates my point that one who does not sympathize with a movement will spin nearly everything it does into a weapon of libel. Continual rocket fire is "wanting to kill civilians," despite the tactic's much different origins in Lebanon; fighting how any organization could in a densely populated refugee camp is "having a disregard for life."

This is absurd. First, to think shielding militants with one's own civilians is ever acceptable for any side of any conflict no matter how asymmetric is preposterous. It's the antithesis of a state, the discreditor of an insurgent, and flouts the very concept of human rights and society itself. I wasn't even talking about the rockets. Second, if you can't even acknowledge that they are using human shields, then you have no credibility. This is the second time you've seemed to imply that it just looks that way because the area is densely populated.

Of course Gazan's suffer, Hamas is the direct cause of a lot of it. Maybe Gaza would even elect Hamas if they had a choice, but no one knows because they don't. And if they did, they couldn't make an informed decision because Hamas lies to them, even kills them just to point the finger at Israel. I can't blame Israel for anything while Hamas is still terrorizing both sides.
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#66755 to #66702 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
yeah fucking palestines how dare they come into izrael and try to live there, fucking invaders!
#66802 to #66755 - cabbagemayhem (07/30/2014) [-]
They used to be allowed to work in Israel. The wall was built because of terrorism, the same terrorism they dig under the wall to keep doing. Deny it.
#66841 to #66802 - dehumanizer (07/31/2014) [-]
Yeah invade a country then cry terrorism when people dont want to get kicked out of their homes. Srsly rabbi, go suck on some baby dicks. this is not even an insult, its truth
#66857 to #66841 - cabbagemayhem (07/31/2014) [-]
Like I said, it never belonged to them in the first place, there's no good reason why they deserve it, and there's plenty of reasons why it should remain with the Israelites whose home it's been since ancient times. So just as you don't want to hear me cry terrorism, don't cry oppression to me about a regime that targets innocents, and don't let your crude perspective of Jewish customs hit you on the way out.
#66894 to #66857 - dehumanizer (08/01/2014) [-]
erm bullshit since aincient times its been babylonian, greek, roman, byzantiun,sarracen,crusader state,turkish, palestinian and only after the holohoax, thanks to jewish preassure in the english court, jewish. There are no reasons why it should be jewish since the majority of jews are actualy of khazarian aschkenzi origin or plain simply atheists.

>regime that targets the innocents
you mean like Israel?
#66898 to #66894 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
False. It belonged to the other nations only on paper. With little exception, the same population and culture has occupied the same territory for thousands of years. The majority of the population identifies as Jewish in race and religion [1][2].

"regime that targets the innocents
you mean like Israel?"


That's the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard. You've got to be brainwashed. Keep denying the holocaust ever happened.

1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel
#66905 to #66898 - dehumanizer (08/01/2014) [-]
Bullshit before they were imported from europe in the 40s, there were almost no kikes in the middle east, the overwhelming majority has always been muslim since the 6th century. It rightfuly belongs to the palestinians.

>Israel
>a democracy

yeah i'll belive that when you free the slaves and one of them becomes your president, just like in america

also

>implying the holohax happened

JIDF pls
#66906 to #66905 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
Islamic Palestinians never had a right to the land. They moved in during the Muslim conquest, and pushed the Jews out, now you're mad that they want their home back? The Jews were there for thousands of years and their settlement was justified by all relevant ideologies (i.e. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim scriptures). Spare me the mantra.

The fact that you think Holocaust denial has any merit, let alone enough that you think it's self-evident, makes me think you've lost some touch with reality. I'm not JIDF, but I won't stand for ignorance on my internet.
#66907 to #66906 - dehumanizer (08/01/2014) [-]
yeah except before setteling there, the jews pushed off the other native people

>modern jews are litteraly the synagoge of satan
>justified by relevant ideologies

top kek
#66910 to #66907 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
I think the synagogue of Satan is the one that commit atrocities, wages perpetual war without regard for innocent life, and takes advantage of their enemies kindness or care for innocent life.
#66908 to #66907 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
God gave the land to them because the prior inhabitants sacrificed infants among many other jaw-dropping sins. Not much unlike what you see Hamas doing, right now. The Jews were there for thousands of years and their original settlement was justified by all relevant ideologies (i.e. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim scriptures). No one involved can claim "Canaanites", or whoever, have any right to the land. The question is between Islamic Palestinians and Israelites, and Islamic Palestinians are much more recent immigrants than the Israelites.
#66909 to #66908 - dehumanizer (08/01/2014) [-]
Well if you are going to use religion as claim to the land, its pritty wrong since after christ there were no chosen people. The land belongs to everyone, stop bombing kids.
#66911 to #66909 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
Not that your point matters, but Catholicism does not represent all Christianity, and the Pope is not the ultimate voice. Scripture said the Jews were his chosen people, and there's no sense in thinking he would simply change his mind one day. Bbl
#66912 to #66911 - dehumanizer (08/01/2014) [-]
except the scripture also says Christ made the law of the prophets obsolete, thus jews were equall to gentiles, so the kikes have no more right over israel than the palestines
#66918 to #66912 - cabbagemayhem (08/01/2014) [-]
PIC:

I do not recognize everything Martin Luther says as gospel, especially not his immature judgment of other races. He's no greater than Peter, and even Peter had to be rebuked for his words at times. The Jews are nothing like that.

COMMENT:

17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

- Matthew 5:17-20 (NIV)

Like other things devised in her infancy, the Catholic church misconceived the law in order to suffer the people's own hard hearts by overemphasizing vague and unspecific writings from Paul, and avoiding fair analysis of clear direct quotes by Jesus. The Jews did not suddenly become gentiles, the gentiles were invited to the Kingdom. God does not choose his people and lead them out of Egypt only to cast them asunder. So, yes, they even have a right to be there from a religious, standpoint.
#66933 to #66918 - dehumanizer (08/02/2014) [-]
Dot connect the modern jews with the ones from the age of moses.
#66936 to #66933 - cabbagemayhem (08/02/2014) [-]
Impossible, but unnecessary. Two things don't change over a thousand years: DNA, and religion. Any Jew today is either a direct descendant of an Israelite, a spouse of one, or a Jewish convert (rare). When someone converts to Judaism (not easy) he accepts all of their customs, becomes like them, and is considered one of them in almost every way. Any modern Jew is either a direct descendant of an Israelite, or an accepted convert under God and Jewish law.
#66937 to #66936 - dehumanizer (08/02/2014) [-]
wrong, majority of jews today are of khazarian ancestory
#66957 to #66937 - cabbagemayhem (08/02/2014) [-]
In reply to #66954: No, it's not. rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth
And, many Palestinians are undoubtedly related to Jews, but departed from them when they converted to Islam and adopted Arab customs.
#66976 to #66957 - dehumanizer (08/03/2014) [-]
how can it be a myth when theres overwhelming evidence?
#66953 to #66937 - cabbagemayhem (08/02/2014) [-]
No, that is a myth stemming from a book written by a pseudo-scientific author. Genetic studies show that the Ashkenazi Jews (I assume you refer to) come from the Levant. Still, even if you were right, it doesn't refute what I said, nor does it even acknowledge the rest of the Jews which also matter.
#66954 to #66953 - dehumanizer (08/02/2014) [-]
no its not, its prooven and easy to identify, palestines are more jewish than the modern jews
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User avatar #66747 to #66702 - lulzfornigeriagirl (07/30/2014) [-]
Brother you are the only one here except me with that opinion sadly.
#66700 to #66699 - pebar (07/30/2014) [-]
A lot of Jew haters come to this board. There's no way you'll find an intelligent conversation here.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Israel but I wouldn't want that whole region to be dominated by Muslims.
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