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#112281 - Sunset
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#112275 - anon id: fe5150fa
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"I think it’s a great time to start a mortgage company the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come." - Donald Trump, April 2006
User avatar #112274 - marinepenguin
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1sSe-MQ7A

Bernie praises breadlines apparently
User avatar #112307 to #112274 - Shiny
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America has breadlines during the Depression.
User avatar #112327 to #112307 - marinepenguin
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...yeah? That was during the worst economic era in American history, bread lines aren't good. I wasn't claiming that we never had bread lines here.
User avatar #112341 to #112327 - Shiny
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I mean they are a stupid metaphor because sometimes shit happens. Sanders' point was that the alternative in such cases is people not eating.
#112276 to #112274 - pebar
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User avatar #112277 to #112276 - marinepenguin
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I mean, it's from 1985 when he said it, but to think he actually held an opinion at one time makes me sad.

He seems to believe the rich are like the Illuminati. Like they're some secret organization out to destroy all that's good in the world.
#112278 to #112277 - anon id: fe5150fa
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It's really a shame that he can't be like the sensible Neo-Liberals and Friedmanites of that time who were praising Augusto Pinochet.
User avatar #112280 to #112278 - marinepenguin
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But regardless, Bread lines are not and have never been a form of strength like what Sanders so claims.
User avatar #112279 to #112278 - marinepenguin
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I don't know enough about Pinochet to tell you anything about him. Other than he was the dictator of Chile for a while.
User avatar #112288 to #112279 - redandgreen
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I'm not surprised you haven't learned about him in the US. He was the dictator of Chile brought to power by a US sponsored coup. His regime killed about 3000 people and tortured ten times that number.



Killed his own people and never went to trial:
www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/general-augusto-pinochet-427998.html


Even killed an American on US soil:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/chile/11920799/Augusto-Pinochet-ordered-killing-in-US-declassified-documents-reveal.html

User avatar #112334 to #112288 - marinepenguin
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After having read up on the subject a little, it seems that he was praised by many of those neoliberals because of his implementation of free market policies and the resulting boom in the Chilean economy, resulting in it being one of the stronger economies in Latin America.

It's obviously easy to criticize the regime as it was a military dictatorship and conducted some bad practices on its own people, and I'm also not surprised that America led a coup against a Socialist nation during the middle of the cold war. The Chilean people seemed to have profited more in the long run.
User avatar #112382 to #112334 - redandgreen
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'Profited in the long-run'

They had their democratically elected government overthrown by a US funded coup. A brutal dictatorship which killed around 3000 people, jailed thousands and tortured around 30000. The economic changes were a disaster in the short to medium term as well, it's unlikely the country would have survived if it hadn't been for US funding.

I don't you think you'd be happy to have your elected government removed, dissidents tortured and assassinated. Do you think Chileans should be?
User avatar #112389 to #112382 - marinepenguin
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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Chile

I don't disagree, but disregarding the worldwide economic recession of the 80s Chile saw significant economic gain through implementing free market principles. And eventually those principles led to the disbandment of the military dictatorship and to a more free society. How many would have seen poverty and destitution if the socialist government had continued to decline economically?
User avatar #112391 to #112389 - redandgreen
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Do you believe in democratic principles or not?

If you think people should be free then they're free to choose their governments. If the economy continued to decline (leaving aside the US actions which made probably made that inevitable) then it's likely another government would have been voted in. Don't you think that's how democracy is supposed to work?
User avatar #112401 to #112391 - marinepenguin
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I absolutely do, as I believe in a free society. But I also accept reality and realize that sometimes it isn't going to occur everywhere. The world isn't black and white, yes the military dictatorship was oppressive and committed human rights violations, that doesn't mean that every action that government commits was inherently bad. Bottom line is, free market principles implemented in Chile ended up improving the wealth of Chile and it's people, how involved the US was doesn't matter in that regard. Many of those principles are still in place to this day.

And you also need to understand the emotions at the time to understand why the US was so involved in other nations, arguably even moreso than today. Stopping the spread of socialist thinking and communist rule was the number 1 priority at this time. Korea and Vietnam was still fresh in our minds, and Cuba was still a lingering threat and Ally to Russia, anywhere the US could take a Russian Ally or communist nation and turn it into a US ally, dictatorship or not, was a better end result for us in the long run. Was this moral? Absolutely not. Was it necessary? Absolutely.
User avatar #112410 to #112401 - redandgreen
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You're right, the world isn't black and white.

Whether the free market reforms helped or not - they seem to have in the long term as you say because newer governments kept a lot of them - the people didn't vote for them at the time.

I also disagree on your argument that it was necessary for the US to overthrow Allende. Chile wasn't aggressive under him and apparently only asked the USSR for help at the point that the CIA had plans well underway to overthrow him and end democracy.

Your argument actually points to the US being the Imperialist power it so often claims not to be.
User avatar #112441 to #112410 - marinepenguin
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Whether those people voted for them or not doesn't matter. Those individuals praise that situation because it showed that free market principles work very well, as they have throughout the world. Not because the people had a say in implementing them.

Imperialism: A policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force

Yeah that sounds about right. I don't necessarily see imperialism as inherently bad, as much as just a reality of nations competing against one another, especially when there are two large nations vying for influence over smaller and weaker ones.
User avatar #112473 to #112441 - redandgreen
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You don't think overthrowing another country's democratically elected government is bad?
User avatar #112490 to #112473 - marinepenguin
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Overthrowing almost any nations government democratic or not and throwing the nation into turmoil is not good. But sometimes I think it's necessary.
User avatar #112516 to #112490 - redandgreen
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OK. Just don't try and claim the US is any kind of moral example or in any way exceptional.
User avatar #112569 to #112516 - marinepenguin
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And it's exceptional in many ways.
User avatar #112706 to #112569 - redandgreen
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Such as?
User avatar #112714 to #112706 - marinepenguin
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>Was the first nation to be founded upon the idea that all men are granted inaliable rights granted to them by a creator and not the state
>Fought a brutal civil war over states rights and to be able to own slaves
>one of the first nations that allowed economic mobility, no matter your race, creed, religion, or background you could become successful and prosper as your own individual
>Was the deciding factor in late WW1
>same scenario for WW2, still managed to supply the allies before we entered the war while still in the midst of a crippling depression, this supply was the sole reason Britain didn't fall, and why Russia was able to hold back the German advance 1942-1943 through the lend lease act, turning the tide of the war
>first nation to place a man on the moon
>leader in technological innovation for decades
>was the leading power that stopped the spread of communism and ultimately led to the downfall of the USSR
>sends more money in aid to struggling nations than any other country
>has more bases than any other nation all over the world, most are for aid purposes or for joint missions
>has a culture that's wildly popular all over the world, music, clothing, movies, literature, education, etc.

I could go on. Obviously we have serious faults, our war on drugs has led to an extremely high prison population, our increasingly mismanaged public education is causing our overall scores to go down and we're lagging behind, and we tend to play world police too much, but overall the significance that the US has played throughout history and how much it's influenced the world is self-evident.
User avatar #112837 to #112714 - redandgreen
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I can't reply to your comment below. You haven't said why you think this makes the US exceptional - I could point out things in other nation's histories and say the same for them, right?
Why do I think this is biased? Because you haven't given any context to this in terms of other nations:
>Was the first nation to be founded upon the idea that all men are granted inaliable rights granted to them by a creator and not the state

The British did this in 1215 with the Magna Carta

>Fought a brutal civil war over states rights and to be able to own slaves

OK but civil war certainly isn't unique, nor is war between states in the same political union. Also, the US was one of the last western nations to prohibit slavery.

>one of the first nations that allowed economic mobility, no matter your race, creed, religion, or background you could become successful and prosper as your own individual

This isn't true at all. Merchant classes had already appeared in many other countries and the emergence of a merchant class in the British colonies was part of the revolution.

>Was the deciding factor in late WW1

A deciding factor maybe. Joining in quickened the end but it was already likely.

>same scenario for WW2, still managed to supply the allies before we entered the war while still in the midst of a crippling depression, this supply was the sole reason Britain didn't fall, and why Russia was able to hold back the German advance 1942-1943 through the lend lease act, turning the tide of the war

Same scenario as WW1 except the downfall of the Nazis was certain by the time the US was actually fighting them. All nations were going through a crippling depression and the other allies had to pay back all the loans etc. Also, the US began the war as quite pro-Nazi.

>first nation to place a man on the moon

And? Not the first to put someone in the space.... Or many other technological firsts.

>leader in technological innovation for decades

Other nations could claim this before the US..... China, Greece, Rome, France and Britain.

>was the leading power that stopped the spread of communism and ultimately led to the downfall of the USSR

What is your point? The downfall of the USSR was inevitable and China did a lot to stop the spread of USSR style policies.

>sends more money in aid to struggling nations than any other country

Less than the EU in absolute terms and 20th in the world as a percentage of GNP.

>has more bases than any other nation all over the world, most are for aid purposes or for joint missions

Keep telling yourself that.

>has a culture that's wildly popular all over the world, music, clothing, movies, literature, education, etc.
Mass consumption is popular, that isn't a culture.
Again, none of these things explain a belief in American Exceptionalism. Every country can make historical claims (especially if they're prepared to gloss a lot of it over) and then assert some kind of exceptionalism.
User avatar #112849 to #112837 - marinepenguin
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Firstly I wasn't claiming that other countries were not exceptional, comparing the history of the US to that of Britain or France is pretty ridiculous, as the beginnings of both began at least a millennium before. My point is that to say that the US hasn't been a massive role player in the modern world in terms of politics, culture and economic development or hasn't been exceptional is just idiocy.

The Magna Carta was an impressive document and definitely was a cornerstone for the average person's rights, but those rights were granted by the king, not claimed to have been inherently present and inalienable.

Those merchant classes were just the beginnings of the middle class, I'm talking about mobility between classes. Merchants were in a specific social and economic class of their own and they very rarely became nobility or upper class, not did poor groups usually manage to become merchants

In the first world war, by 1918 when the US entered the war, the Spring Offensive led by the Germans was only a few weeks from reaching Paris, as the extra manpower from the Eastern Front as Russia went into turmoil turned the tide of the war, America's fresh forces pushed back the beleaguered Germans and that was what tipped the war back into the Allies favor, leading to a German surrender.

In World War 2 Britain was being starved by the German U-boat blockade and Russia was totally caught off guard by the German invasion, even with the US supplying Russia through the lend lease act and Britain to keep them afloat, Hitler's own tactical decisions ultimately led to his downfall. Without the thousands of tanks, planes, arms, and tons of ammunition being sent to Russia, their resistance would have folded even more quickly.

During the Space race the Russians beat us into space by sending a metal ball with a tracking beacon into orbit that had no real value other than "I did it first". Overall I'd put the Space race at a tie, but the Apollo missions to the moon were strictly an American venture and no other nation has been there with a manned mission.

I honestly just don't feel like going into detail with the rest.

User avatar #112819 to #112714 - redandgreen
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That's simply a very biasedly represented history. None of that makes justifies US exceptionalism.
User avatar #112836 to #112819 - marinepenguin
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Which one of these is biased, I specifically left out the ones that could be taken as such.

Most of what I presented is inarguable fact. You could argue that there were previous free societies, or maybe even ones with economic mobility for the majority of its population, but the rest is simply fact.
User avatar #112568 to #112516 - marinepenguin
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The US has done far more good than bad.
User avatar #112705 to #112568 - redandgreen
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Proof?
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You're ignoring one very important part of the discussion though, the Communists were doing the same thing and they were close to winning. If america hadn't backed fascist dictator Augusto, Chile would have become Venezuela 2.0

The lesser of two evils is better, far better in this scenario. it would be easier to discuss this if you unblocked me
-lulz
User avatar #112273 - latke
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the goyim are coming
#112271 - anon id: fe5150fa
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How come the Democratic polls are so disparate?
#112240 - feelythefeel
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GIF
>le Japon is great and based meme
>le nippon steel and gook culture
Time for a real history lesson, negroid companions.

>be Japan
>start life as a loose collection of petty rice kingdoms
>start to unite under an emperor
>the emperor is so shit at his job that the hired vigilantes (Samurai) take over and strip him of any real power
>the Samurai are so shit at their jobs that the emperor takes over and strips them of any real power
>rinse, while occasionally throwing in the entire country collapsing into tiny factions that care more about comparing dicks than actually governing the country
>repeat ad infinitum for the remainder of pre-Enlightenment history
>realize that being a backwards, anarchic shithole won't fly now that the Europeans are showing up
>shut it down like a merchant .jpg before you even know what a Jew is
>adopt a constitution on loan from the United States because you're too backwards to actually come up with your own modern legal system
>America calls in it's loan, takes free trade as payment
>turn into a military state based on Proto-RoC Warfare (Read: Proto-Dogshit Warfare for Cowards)
>start shit
>get hit
>become a vassal state of the United States
>enter an age of unprecedented prosperity only known to occur amoung America's bottom bitches
>decades later
>utilize your new-found economic strength to be worshiped by autists the world over
>all because of your proud and storied history of accomplishing nothing before getting really fat in prison
#112312 to #112240 - anon id: 10cc21da
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>nonwhites are all petty inhuman savages that need to be shamed for their existence
>lmao why do they hate me for bein wyte???? fuggin jews
User avatar #112346 to #112312 - feelythefeel
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I never said either of those things.
#112290 to #112240 - kanadetenshi
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User avatar #112229 - undeadwill
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I think Alex Jones could be improved if his daily cocaine session was replaced with a fact checking session rather than saying every accusation that ever comes up.
User avatar #112291 to #112229 - kanadetenshi
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This comment is a false flag.
User avatar #112225 - undeadwill
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Trying to decide what college to go to for computer science, I've looked at San Marcos and Sam Houston so far.
User avatar #112237 to #112225 - thumbfortrump
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Isn't cali the place to go for computer people?
User avatar #112238 to #112237 - undeadwill
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texas state university in austin is the 9 best school in the country, if I wanted to go to the best Id go there
User avatar #112230 to #112225 - lotengo
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Is San Marcos in Cali?
User avatar #112231 to #112230 - undeadwill
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there are two, one in texas the other in cali,

I live in texas.
User avatar #112232 to #112231 - lotengo
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As a European that has never set foot in the US my advice is to always choose the option that is not Cali
User avatar #112233 to #112232 - undeadwill
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San Marcos is both in texas and cali both also have universities.
#112221 - pebar
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User avatar #112224 to #112221 - thumbfortrump
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I want a safe space from the term 'safe space'.
#112203 - thumbfortrump
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I'm trying to figure this out.

Tinfoils claim that Soros was behind Ukraine crisis and installing new Ukrainian 'regime'.
They also claim that Soros is behind new Panamas leak to damage Putin.

Yet one of the implicated current Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

My question is if this is yet another alleged Soros plot, why would he shoot himself in the foot and include Poroshenko.
User avatar #112308 to #112203 - Shiny
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Soros is just another magnate that uses politics to maintain power. Literally the only thing that makes him different is that he is Jewish.
User avatar #112207 to #112203 - valeriya
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Besides the old when someone outweighs their usefulness and becomes a liability remove them. Iraq, Libya, Egypt come to mind, Soros has pretty close links to The US, and they're definitely still actively supporting regime change around the world, in this instance it didn't work out as planned made Russia mad, got a load of people killed, somehow managed to sink Ukraines' economy even further, he's not quite the guy they want for the job anymore.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957
User avatar #112213 to #112207 - thumbfortrump
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"in this instance it didn't work out as planned made Russia mad, got a load of people killed, somehow managed to sink Ukraines' economy even further, he's not quite the guy they want for the job anymore."

That's quite the allegation. Is there anything to back it up? Aside from assumptions.
User avatar #112223 to #112213 - valeriya
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The US was screwing around in Ukraine way before the most recent "revolution" www.theguardian.com/world/2004/dec/31/ukraine.comment And when they first backed someone it didn't work either. When I said got a load of people killed I was refering to the war in Eastern Ukraine www.unian.info/war/1120115-un-ukraine-conflict-death-toll-nears-8000-dw.html , which has not helped Ukraines economy which was flat lining before the "revolution" defaulted last year on debt payments to Russia and the economy shrank a further 12.5% www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp , Poroshenko was elected promising reform and failed to deliver, due to the simple fact that he had, and I was saying this years ago, a vested interest in the status quo. and don't get me started on that stupid propaganda I am a Ukrainian video which was produced by the council on foreign relations.
Couple that with what I've already given you above, it isn't unreasonable to think the US was involved in this. Hell on the gdp charts, Ukraine was getting back to 2008 levels and then crashed again with the revolution because a lot of people lost confidence.
User avatar #112209 to #112207 - alimais
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Reminds me about the time Saddam was an us ally but then got dropped
User avatar #112211 to #112209 - valeriya
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He wasn't the first very much doubt he'll be the last.
#112204 to #112203 - alimais
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Nobody really cares anymore about Ukraine Europes little Africa and George Soros is openly funding BLM, Democracy Spring, MoveOn, ANTIFA, FEMEN, multiple recent domestic race riots, the European refugee crisis etc. and both sides of the US puppet political process in his millions upon millions of dollars to Clinton, Kasich (among others of course) and via his anti-Trump ad campaigns and MSM payoffs etc. etc.

I don't trust anything George Soros is involved in.
User avatar #112205 to #112204 - thumbfortrump
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Trust me, I'm no fan of Soros, but I don't think he is as involved in everything as people claim. My point is that it makes no sense to claim he installed Poroshenko as president, and then a year later implicates him in tax evasion and money laundering.
User avatar #112208 to #112205 - alimais
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Soros urges giving Ukraine $50 billion of aid to foil Russia
www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-soros-idUSKBN0KH0NQ20150108

Ukraine could have been important since it had Crimea and was in a okay state before the coup
User avatar #112210 to #112208 - thumbfortrump
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Well first of all this is only a request, not an actual transfer of money.

Second this is after the coup.

And third this only support my doubts. Soros is obviously anti-Russia and anti-Putin, just like Poroshenko. So if this leak is one big conspiracy to oust Putin, why would he also include Poroshenko.
#112214 to #112210 - alimais
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I don't think it's especially aimed at Putin but I haven't done too much research into the Panama Papers and don't really care about those leaks since they are about tax evasion etc.

There are shit ton of threads about it though

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User avatar #112216 to #112214 - thumbfortrump
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Already been through the threads on pol, but I'll try to dive more into it.
#112187 - unforgivensoul
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I find it incredibly ironic that Sweden has one of the highest levels of "press freedom" when their government literally engages in typical SJW tactics of censoring information from media to rape cases.
User avatar #112201 to #112187 - alimais
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That NGO which did that study was funded by George Soros the same guy who funds the Black Lives Matters, MoveOn people and even funded protesters during the arab spring and the maidan coup
#112182 - unforgivensoul
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You more liberal/libertarian types may be happy to know I think I'm no longer a racist.

As for the rest youregaylol , I'm so sorry : (
User avatar #112257 to #112182 - marinepenguin
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I won't fall for these shenanigans again.
User avatar #112258 to #112257 - unforgivensoul
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What exactly are the shenanigans? Did I write a 2000 word essay on why I support Bernie a week ago for fun...?
User avatar #112259 to #112258 - marinepenguin
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Possibly. I'm glad you aren't racist now if it's true, but I've heard all the arguments for supporting Bernie and your essay wouldn't make me believe otherwise.
#112197 to #112182 - pebar
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it seems to me that your beliefs were more like a passing fad that you just said you had because you wanted to be some kind of contrarian hipster
User avatar #112198 to #112197 - unforgivensoul
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No, not contrarian hipster, please don't insult my intelligence like that. I legitimately had bent up hatred for people. Like on a sociopathtic level.
User avatar #112202 to #112198 - pebar
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people's core beliefs don't change so easily

either you're lying now, or you were lying then
User avatar #112206 to #112202 - unforgivensoul
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I guess what you said is meant to be an insult but I can understand where its coming from, again this "transformation" per say didn't happen over night, it happened over 2 weeks. It's just as of know I've realized i'm no longer a racist.

My core belief was emotionally based, so it obviously could change easily. I've been living a life too much bent up on hatred, and as what happens with giant stars. Too much hatred and the star explodes in a supernova leaving a tiny cute dwarf or a black hole. I'd like to imagine the white dwarf is the positive root and the black hole is suicide., I ended up choosing the right root.
#112183 to #112182 - youregaylol
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As feelythefeel put it, its almost impossible to go from intelligent to retarded, so i'll assume this is fake and gay

but just in case
User avatar #112184 to #112183 - unforgivensoul
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It's more so that I've had a complete change in emotion and personality. I've had so much hate bent up inside that I've been releasing. I understand you not believing me, however unlike you this won't end in 2 days.
User avatar #112185 to #112184 - youregaylol
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ah, you're trying to beat my record then

i warn you, pretending to be a leftist is stressful, you may end up suicidal if you go longer than 3 days
User avatar #112188 to #112185 - unforgivensoul
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Well I haven't changed in the sense that I think multiculturalism doesn't work, or that Europe should stay white, or that I don't want to have non-white kids. However I no longer think whites are superior and no longer have bent up hatred for other races/people.
User avatar #112190 to #112188 - thumbfortrump
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I hope you're sincere. If you are, I'm proud of ya.
User avatar #112189 to #112188 - youregaylol
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ill have to lower you on the pecking order for this

feelythefeel just got a promotion
User avatar #112191 to #112189 - unforgivensoul
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That's ok, you may have to lower me even further for that last rant where I said I'd vote for Sanders (which is still true). You'll have to lower me even further again for basically realizing the republican party is as if not more garbage than the democratic party.
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youre trying 2 hard m8
User avatar #112193 to #112192 - unforgivensoul
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I'm being serious, you did a very obvious trick of completely jumping from one side to another. Which only gullible people bought, I've only changed partially over a period of time.
User avatar #112194 to #112193 - youregaylol
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That period of time being 3 days.

Well anyway, time will tell I guess.
User avatar #112196 to #112194 - unforgivensoul
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Well in real life its been 2 weeks but yes time will tell
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User avatar #112171 - kanadetenshi
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>Referendum on Ukraine agreement in my country in two days
>Panama Papers revealing Poroshenko is part of the corruption

R.I.P yes voters.
User avatar #112173 to #112171 - valeriya
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www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/ukraine-poroshenko-offshore/

You'd be tying yourself to a sinking ship that is yet to make any economic or political progress since the 1990's
User avatar #112175 to #112173 - kanadetenshi
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Yes voters try to make the argument that this agreement will magically help get rid of the corruption by sending them tons of money. Because that has worked so well for other eastern/southern European countries in the EU.
User avatar #112176 to #112175 - valeriya
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Yeah 26 years is a lot of time for national soul searching, and I'd bet it'd probably disappear very quickly to say the least.
User avatar #112172 to #112171 - thumbfortrump
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I thought it was pretty established that he is corrupt, I mean he's an oligarch.
User avatar #112174 to #112172 - kanadetenshi
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True, however this recent scandal will likely raise more awareness of this fact in my country and weaken the yes vote.
User avatar #112177 to #112174 - thumbfortrump
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Why are you having a referendum btw? I haven't of this in any of the other member states.
User avatar #112178 to #112177 - kanadetenshi
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We have a law where if you get enough signatures about an issue in a certain time period you can have a referendum about it. The chance of getting enough signatures is pretty slim unless you get massive support. This one managed to get enough and has become a pretty big deal in Europe because if The Netherlands doesn't agree with the deal then it's unlikely the agreement will happen.
User avatar #112179 to #112178 - thumbfortrump
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Ah interesting, thanks.
User avatar #112168 - theism
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Ronald Reagan was a traitor.
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FAT BEN WAS A POOP-MAKER
User avatar #112228 to #112168 - undeadwill
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Seems to be, you say something straight from addicting info or other cancerous progressive facebook pages, then ignore anyone who might actually put up a fight, like say pebar.

And then wonder why people on here view you like a shit younger version of me, and I'm and was pretty shit.
User avatar #112234 to #112228 - theism
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I responded to pebar, so I don't know what you're on about.

Based on your second paragraph I think you might also be having a stroke.

But anyways, I take it you know I'm right and choose not to argue it?
User avatar #112235 to #112234 - undeadwill
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I don't care about Reagan. A person isn't an idea and criticizing or defending his actions don't devalue the ideas he supported
User avatar #112236 to #112235 - theism
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I'm not talking about his values. I could go on about his policies but that's not what I'm doing. I'm talking about how he was actually a traitor.
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youre not even American faggot
User avatar #112169 to #112168 - pebar
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o rly?
User avatar #112180 to #112169 - theism
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Iran Contra was high treason.
User avatar #112241 to #112180 - pebar
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bypassing congress to rescue american hostages =/= going against america

congress is not america
User avatar #112242 to #112241 - theism
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I'm sure Congress would have supported plans to free hostages. Violating an arms embargo to fund terrorists is not justifiable, and hiding behind hostages is a cowardly smokescreen.
#112243 to #112242 - pebar
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still, treason should not be a term used lightly
User avatar #112244 to #112243 - theism
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Treason is betraying ones country, that's what Reagan did.
User avatar #112246 to #112244 - pebar
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at the time, Iran was not at war with the US, so no he didn't
User avatar #112247 to #112246 - theism
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There was an arms embargo. As commander in chief he violated the law of the land.
User avatar #112251 to #112247 - pebar
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Ok, violating the law is not treason
User avatar #112254 to #112251 - theism
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The commander in chief violating an arms embargo is.
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You must be fuming at fast and furious then, when will you demand obama impeachment and hanging?
User avatar #112218 to #112200 - theism
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Fast and furious was with the permission of Congress you stupid fuck, whether it was a good idea is up for debate. Iran Contra was an actual conspiracy by the president to bypass congress.
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lol no it wasn't you liberal fuckstick, congress is still trying to get the files to subpoena the Justice department so they can figure out what went on.

Just admit this is you being a partisan asshole and be done with it, we all know you're only saying this bullshit because you want to attack RR, be honest for once in your miserable white leftist life.
User avatar #112507 to #112505 - theism
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Actually, looking further into it, these two aren't even comparable. The gunwalking scandal was a law enforcement agency running a failed sting operation. The other was the president of the united states intentionally violating an arms embargo to secure funds to supply terrorists. That you think these are even comparable is indicative of your own bias. So fuck off.
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One was the president ordering Eric Holder to ship guns to foreign criminals which were then used too kill US citizens, it's not comparable to you because Obama is a leftist like you and you're a partisan child.

Will you admit these attacks on RR is just you being a leftwing baby trying to shit fling?Does it hurt that you're exactly like the /pol/fags you cry about?
User avatar #112515 to #112514 - theism
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The ATF began the sting operation in 2006, 2 years before Obama was elected. The concern is that Obama declared executive privilege to withhold the documents. These are not the same situation at all and you are an idiot if you think they are.
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The policy was continued and expanded under Eric Holder who was put in place by Obama and was sanctioned.

Just admit that you're only doing this because you're a partisan shitbag. Come on, whats the point in pretending that this is an objective attack, especially when you're doing backflips to defend king obama.

Admit and have some credibility, what little an sjw like you has left.
User avatar #112518 to #112517 - theism
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I'm not doing backflips. There's a huge difference between a failed sting and violating an embargo to funnel money to terrorists. Why are you so obsessed with defending one of our worst presidents?
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i'm not defending Obama stupid, you are.

Stop dodging my question fool.

Will you just admit that you're only doing this because you're a partisan shitbag? Come on, whats the point in pretending that this is an objective attack, especially when you're doing backflips to defend king obama.

Admit and have some credibility, what little an sjw like you has left.
User avatar #112527 to #112526 - theism
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That's funny, you know I'm talking about Reagan. Why are you so obsessed with this idea that I'm just being partisan? You yourself are trying to defend you're prophet by attacking an opposite aligned candidate.
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Panama Papers: World Political/Fiscal Corruption Revealed
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJFlwA-msa4
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I'm not sure on the information, so I'm deleting until I know more about what's going on. I don't want to make an ass of myself.
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