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#47409 - akkere (09/14/2013) [-]
Right. So it's been to death, this Syria, but I feel this is a bit important to post.
Apparently, the US has finally reached an agreement with Russia in regards to Syria's chemical weapons and their disposal, the diplomatic talks were being made between US Secretary John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as well as their respective teams, and both have recently made an announcement that they've reached an agreement in seizure of Syria's weapons, as well as the imposement of penalties should the Syrian government fail to comply to the framework the diplomatic teams have developed.

www.cnn.com/2013/09/13/politics/us-syria/index.html?hpt=po_c2

www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/us-russia-syria-weapons-talks-reach-critical-stage/

Resolution:
www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/09/14/framework-for-elimination-syrian-chemical-weapons/

Hopefully, this resolution goes through all the way and the US won't need to intervene into the war. A worrying thing however is that the resolution doesn't list any specific penalties that would be imposed on Syria, and there's still the fact that Assad has to agree to coughing up the chemical weapons, if he truly has any.
#47419 to #47409 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
It is a blatant hypocrisy for Obongo to say, "wez wantz peece muttafuggas" when he has been sending armaments to the anti-government forces from the beginning and was content with bombing Syria early – without any "diplomacy" – with his NATO allies.

War is the continuation of policy by other means. There are no hypocrisies here, as such. The fact is that the key interest of the US and its regional allies in regards to Syria is to not "secure chemical weapons" but to topple Assad.

What we are seeing with this "agreement" is a clever Russian deviation. Until a new "chemical attack" kills a gorrilian babies somewhere in Syria, Obongo is stuck in the embarrassing position of embracing this "diplomacy" which he obviously did not want to happen. His awkward speech earlier this week which I wrote about here manifested this fact.

The text of the "agreement" shows this lapse of reality. The "agreement" will go nowhere.

the United States and the Russian Federation express their joint determination to ensure the destruction of the Syrian chemical weapons program (CW) in the soonest and safest manner.
Note "soonest." The process would, in reality, take years. The US still has not gotten rid their "banned" weapons which was supposed to be done by 2010.

and in the event of non-compliance, including unauthorized transfer, or any use of chemical weapons by anyone in Syria, the UN Security Council should impose measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.
BY ANYONE? SHOULD? Obviously, Russia would never authorize any force in Syria. Assad still holds strategic importance while Qaddafi did not. This is silliest text seen in the "agreement" when you put that together with "by anyone."

We set ambitious goals for the removal and destruction of all categories of CW related materials and equipment with the objective of completing such removal and destruction in the first half of 2014.
Preposterous, as written above.
#47420 to #47419 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
The "secular" rebels had this to say about the agreement, moreover.

www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323968/fsa-rejects-usrussia-deal-on-syria/

Selim Idris, the chief of the FSA, told reporters in Istanbul on Saturday that the foreign-backed group does not accept any part of the initiative, and that the group will continue to fight to topple the Syrian government.

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It's one thing to continue fighting Assad but another to say that you don't accept "any part of the initiative." Interesting as to his motive for saying what he did...
#47408 - feelythefeel (09/14/2013) [-]
So apparently there are more illegal immigrants coming to Canada from the USA than any other nationality. Does that mean I can treat Americans like they're dirt, now? If not, try doing what you preach and take it easy on the Mexicans. Just a bit.
User avatar #47411 to #47408 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
Do you have a source for that? I thought that Chinese workers overstaying their visas was a bigger problem than fat Americans crossing the border to buy bacon.

From how I see it, since the Canadian economy depends so heavily on the American, restricting commerce from the US would not do any good. But, it is entirely Canada's choice to be easy on immigration. According to the below, Mexicans like Canada better since they no longer have to worry about being deported.

www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/us/21refugees.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
User avatar #47412 to #47411 - feelythefeel (09/14/2013) [-]
I recently heard it on National Geographic.
#47415 to #47412 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
I question their claim for the Canadian government does not seem to do statistics on illegal immigration. We can see statistics on legal immigration, though. There usually is correlation between legal and illegal immigration via these categories.

Pictured is permanent residents to nationality.

In regards to foreign workers to nationality, American workers is the single biggest group averaging an input of 30,000 yearly.

In regards to foreign students to nationality, Chinese students is the single biggest group which was been seeing an increasing input yearly since 2006. In 2006, 8,903 Chinese students gained residency in Canada. In 2009, 16,373 gained residency. In 2012, 25,356 gained residency. On this course, it is set to go above 30,000 in 2013.

All these can be found in "Facts and figures 2012: Immigration overview."
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#47406 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
The past few days have been very good for Assad. The terrorists have suffered a number of defeats, the worst near Allepo which threatens to take down the entire insurgency. In response, the pro-Jew nations of the world today announced that they will be sending more and more armaments to the rebellion.

inserbia.info/news/2013/09/france-saudi-arabia-uae-jordan-to-boost-aid-to-syria-militants/

This defies Syria's command that support must be ceased to move on with a true diplomatic solution. Note how Jordan is among the nations who will be sending supplies to the rebellion despite their self-proclaimed "neutrality" in the war.

Notice this in the article:

It claimed the government’s “obstinance” was helping “extremist movements” and “threatens regional and international security.”

How can these stooges blame Assad when they're the ones who just agreed to send more supplies to these very terrorists? What doubletalk.
#47410 to #47406 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
To counteract, Russia is helping expand Iran's nuclear capabilities and is in the preliminary stages of trading heavy weapons with them. This is sure to cause much jew asspain.    
   
Iran to take over Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant soon   
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323828/russia-to-hand-over-bushehr-plant-to-iran/
To counteract, Russia is helping expand Iran's nuclear capabilities and is in the preliminary stages of trading heavy weapons with them. This is sure to cause much jew asspain.

Iran to take over Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant soon
www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/14/323828/russia-to-hand-over-bushehr-plant-to-iran/
User avatar #47382 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
konradkurze and me got into a little debate over who was worse the USA or North Korea. By worse we mean in virtue not power.

Thoughts?
User avatar #47387 to #47382 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
Over half the NK population is treated as slaves to the elite class. America's homeless are better off than them.
What is this virtue you speak of?
User avatar #47388 to #47387 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
He believes westerns are all evil and that North Korea isn't that bad compared to the US. He is strange.
He doesn't want to go to a political board because he sees no purpose in "Educating the intelligent"
User avatar #47394 to #47388 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
i do see a point in sharing information, i just feel more inclined to throwing politics around in front of the regular people so they can keep pretending reality doesnt exist

NOW
on this topic
the american people are a form of slave in their own country, just less obvious because the leadership of usa prefer pied piper approach rather than the iron fist

the citizens of NK have no power because if they question the government theyll be killed, the citizens of usa have no real power because the government doesnt listen to them anyway, and if they actually do make any kind of political move, the state has police plant 'aggressive protestors' in the numbers to spark things up and 'justify' police moving in to drag innocent protestors off for starting violence

NK has citizens underpaid and starving.....how many americans live below poverty line and how many work fulltime yet still need food stamps to survive

NK employers have a "work as we say or lose your job' mentality,,,alot of american ones do too

NK has a low crime rate because potential criminals fear punishment.....in usa land of laywers, even obviously guilty parties can get reduced sentences or off the charges......and both sides have the privileged elite who are effectively immune to laws

NK has a system where if you break the law the state can seize your property....USA has a similar system where the bank can seize your property - ( also see recent news where a 71 year old man got thrown out of his home by us marshals because he forgot to pay a $130 property tax)

shall i keep going?
User avatar #47396 to #47394 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
Remember you are trying to convince me that North Korea is better than the US.

You don't get food stamps if you work. If you do someone is cheating the system.

Actually people here have unions and do say "No" to their employers.

Actually the people in North Korea are more so brainwashed because they are denied access to the outside world in any way shape or form so when the government lies to them they have to accept it.

"Break state law" top lel. They will seize property whether you break the law or not. At least with the US its the basics of ANY nation including Europe. Don't pay taxes in Europe they will take your stuff. And domain is where they buy land cheaply by force for public projects. They aren't right but there is a difference.
User avatar #47402 to #47396 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
If I may point out the seizing property bit... with eminent domain, the owner must be justly compensated and whatever good was taken must be for public use

But police have a different kind of authority. When it comes to things like drugs, an elderly couple could have their home, which was fully paid for, confiscated by police if their son sells 2 oz of pot on the front doorstep. Police get a lot of their goodies this way, like fancy cars, boats, houses, all the fun stuff.
It is very totalitarian.
User avatar #47403 to #47402 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
Indeed.

But with eminent domain the government buys the land at below fair market prices without the owners consent and you have no choice to sell according to the farmers I've talked
User avatar #47399 to #47396 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
well as i pointed out in the below post, one cant really compare NK to usa at this point in time....but one simply way to put it is that NK like other asian nations, may be currently harsh BUT they are slowly westernizing and becoming more flexible....while over in usa its the reverse...usa is slowly becoming more totalitarianist and tightening the reigns on its people

with NK, they outright block people from the internet, in usa they are filtering and monitoring what they have access ...and even with the internet, when 9/10ths of the 'factual' websites are merely sharing the same state sponsored facts in the angle that such a method will convince people that the lies are truth....and both NK and usa have the media controlled by the state.....though with NK, they dont let dissenters on the air...in usa they do so they can publicly discredit them

User avatar #47395 to #47394 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
The US poverty line is actually relatively high so it's really unfair to compare countries like that. In NK, the people literally are starving and are forced to eat grass. In the US if you're poor, you might have to stay home and make some mac & cheese instead of going out to mcdonalds.

Yes, the people in the US are very susceptible to the bandwagon effect, but at least politicians can be voted out if the people aren't in blissful ignorance.

If people weren't forced to work, they wouldn't work at all. At least in America you have a decent choice of where to work. If your boss is a dick, it's because he's your boss and he's allowed to be; get used to it.

that crime one in the US is extremely exagerated

the property seizing one is true
User avatar #47397 to #47395 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
wel its hard to compare usa with NK....usa had the fortune to climb to power while NK didnt....though as much as NK has a poor way of life, USA is falling from grace and power is slowly handing over to other nations, so instead of killing its economy on a war budget usa should be cutting its expenses and trying to rebuild its power...kinda like how clinton cut a few bills and usa's economy was better

the problem with voting is that its all rigged, the whole issue of choice is a fraud, its alreay been decided it'll come down to the 2 major parties both of which are puppets of the corporations and reserve bank....

bosses shouldnt be dicks, in some countries if they are you can go above their heads and report them to their own bosses....dont know about usa......but systems where bosses can be dicks and the people just have to deal with tit, does resemble NK

in NK, if someone commits a crime, theyre either guilty or not guilty, the only political motivations are if the crime even barely counted as against the state...is usa, legal proceedings can if necessary be milked by the state and media to distract the people from real issues....(like how long did the media circus fucking go on about zimmerman?....or OJ simpson back in his day)
User avatar #47405 to #47397 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
also, there are huge factions in both parties
#47401 to #47397 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
The economy always ends up being better when you don't have a giant parasitic government sucking it dry to run its shenanigans. Companies (and people) need their profits to grow.   
   
Most of the grip of the corporations come from political advertisements that influence braindead voters, not to politicians directly. In this case it's the people's own fault for being stupid. Also, the primaries are the most important part of the election IMO because without them you really do end of with shitty candidates in the general election. I wouldn't call it rigged that it comes down to 2 parties, it just happens because the population thinks those are the only 2 that matter.   
   
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The economy always ends up being better when you don't have a giant parasitic government sucking it dry to run its shenanigans. Companies (and people) need their profits to grow.

Most of the grip of the corporations come from political advertisements that influence braindead voters, not to politicians directly. In this case it's the people's own fault for being stupid. Also, the primaries are the most important part of the election IMO because without them you really do end of with shitty candidates in the general election. I wouldn't call it rigged that it comes down to 2 parties, it just happens because the population thinks those are the only 2 that matter.

<-- media

User avatar #47421 to #47401 - konradkurze (09/14/2013) [-]
well thats just it, its been the goverment engineering the people to be stupid for that that purpose of making them easy to control

voting is rigged and its only ever given an illusion of choice to convince the people they have some form of power, in reality its whoever the pupetmasters behind the scenes want, and they choreograph up the election campaigns to make one candidate appear the good guy and the other guy a complete idiot - take a look at the last election....much as people hated obama for screwing up in his first term, they engineered romney to sound like an evil bastard to make obama seem better by comparison....thus when their hand picked puppet obama 'won' the elections, people actually beleives he was voted in as the lesser of 2 evils

with NK, at least theyre honest in saying "this is who we picked to be your leader"
#47407 to #47401 - valeriya (09/14/2013) [-]
You only need to ask who benefits.
#47380 - CapnInterwebz (09/14/2013) [-]
&gt;mfw another post praising &quot;Radimir&quot; Putin reached the front page again   
   
Maybe if the masses spent more than 30 seconds thinking about him and actually looked into the man rather than just laughing at what the internet says about him, they would learn that he's a manipulator and is in no place to lecture Americans on democracy and equality. Whilst he wags his finger at the US for their &quot;false exceptionalism&quot;, his government sells arms to the League of Villains (Iran, Syria, NK, blah blah blah) and is re-gulaging all the undesirables.   
   
This small issue leads to a bigger one: the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no fucking clue when it comes to politics, international or otherwise. How many people voted for Obama because he was black? How many people voted for Romney because he was pro choice pro life pro choice pro life? How many people even bother voting when it comes to Congressional or state-level elections? The people that flaunt the fact that their nation is a democracy don't even act like they live there. They'll talk about how soldiers fight all over the world to protect their liberties and then they don't take advantage of any that occur outside their bedroom window. The President will go on TV and say he is the leader of the world's oldest constitutional democracy without mentioning the fact that the US has one of the world's lowest voter turnout rates.    
   
tl;dr: I'm fucking tired of political slacktivism (just made that up, waiting for my letter from CNN now) and general apathy when it comes to the issues that literally dictate people's lives. If you don't give a damn about your government, then go move to Turkey or Egypt or even Russia and see what happens when the government acts without the support of its people.
>mfw another post praising "Radimir" Putin reached the front page again

Maybe if the masses spent more than 30 seconds thinking about him and actually looked into the man rather than just laughing at what the internet says about him, they would learn that he's a manipulator and is in no place to lecture Americans on democracy and equality. Whilst he wags his finger at the US for their "false exceptionalism", his government sells arms to the League of Villains (Iran, Syria, NK, blah blah blah) and is re-gulaging all the undesirables.

This small issue leads to a bigger one: the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no fucking clue when it comes to politics, international or otherwise. How many people voted for Obama because he was black? How many people voted for Romney because he was pro choice pro life pro choice pro life? How many people even bother voting when it comes to Congressional or state-level elections? The people that flaunt the fact that their nation is a democracy don't even act like they live there. They'll talk about how soldiers fight all over the world to protect their liberties and then they don't take advantage of any that occur outside their bedroom window. The President will go on TV and say he is the leader of the world's oldest constitutional democracy without mentioning the fact that the US has one of the world's lowest voter turnout rates.

tl;dr: I'm fucking tired of political slacktivism (just made that up, waiting for my letter from CNN now) and general apathy when it comes to the issues that literally dictate people's lives. If you don't give a damn about your government, then go move to Turkey or Egypt or even Russia and see what happens when the government acts without the support of its people.



User avatar #47404 to #47380 - byposted (09/14/2013) [-]
Putin is the most popular Russian leader since the fall of the USSR. He was elected in fair elections three times yet you say he is acting without support of his people? What has he done that the people don't support? Asspained commies aren't people.

When you say that Putin is a manipulator, so are all politicians. The fact that Putin got to the position of writing that NYT Article only shows that he has beat Obongo severely in foreign affairs. He did not write that article to rally for popular support in the US, after all.
User avatar #47426 to #47404 - undeadwill (09/15/2013) [-]
"Asspained commies aren't people."

Better dead than red
User avatar #47383 to #47380 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
pro choice pro life pro choice pro life

Fucking lost it.
#47379 - fatbenreloaded (09/14/2013) [-]
FAT BEN loves to talk about MAKING POOP.
Keep conversations on MAKING POOP and just enjoy the POOP.
Anything else, just ask FAT BEN.
#47377 - akkere (09/14/2013) [-]
I think we could use a little side-news to help break the ice a lil', maybe get some discussion going on issues other than Syria.

Mexico has had a confrontation between teacher protestors and police officials recently, in which the teachers had camped in the Zocalo area for apparently what was the first traditional Independence Day celebration in the massive colonial-era square on Sunday and Monday. Eventually the confrontation came to a boil when the teachers began to arm themselves with pipes and other makeshift weapons and proceeded to block off the Zocalo area entirely, where a conflict then escalated between the authorities and the protestors which resulted in them being cleared out. The reasoning behind the protest revolves around Pena Nieto's new standardized system regarding testing and promotion, which would break control of the teachers' unions' ability over the teacher staffing. According to the article, of the two main teacher unions, only the smaller fuels the protests, while the larger supports the reformation.
www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57602949/mexican-riot-police-fire-tear-gas-water-cannons-on-striking-teachers/

Remember the Boston Bombing? Well, apparently they've gone to looking into the friends of Tsarnaev Dzokhar, three of the ones in question have all pleaded not guilty to charges impeding the federal investigation, in which the charges revolve around a request from Tsarnaev to take the bag of fireworks in his room (two of the three were roommates) as well as his laptop, and dispose of these in the dumpster.
www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0913/Boston-Marathon-bomb-suspect-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-s-friends-plead-not-guilty

And just a wrap-up, FISC judge has recently called for a review of secret court rulings on NSA phone surveillance.
www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0913/FISC-judge-orders-review-of-secret-court-rulings-on-NSA-phone-surveillance

What a week this is turning out to be.
User avatar #47373 to #47372 - byposted (09/13/2013) [-]
Exactly what the highways need; a million more Mexicans driving beaten up cars. Illinois passed something similar.
User avatar #47460 to #47366 - jewishcommunazi ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
Family Goy.
User avatar #47378 to #47366 - undeadwill (09/14/2013) [-]
Even byposted green thumbed this
User avatar #47360 - undeadwill (09/13/2013) [-]
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Where I first started getting interested in politics
User avatar #47361 to #47360 - undeadwill (09/13/2013) [-]
Its actually really fucking cool. They cover survival experiments, New technology (Including a head set that allows you to control a persons movement) Recent outbreaks and etc.
User avatar #47375 to #47358 - akkere (09/13/2013) [-]
I guess it's just one way of showing a hyperbole disgust.

That, and Christie might be trying a new weight-loss plan. I don't know if it'd really be that effective, but if it worked for teenage girls, I guess it'd work for him.
User avatar #47365 to #47358 - CapnInterwebz (09/13/2013) [-]
It's an easy way of saying you're disgusted without all the hassle of explaining yourself
#47355 - pebar (09/13/2013) [-]
California's minimum wage is about to increase to $10.00/hour
expect you chicken nuggets to cost more, your work to get harder, and your unemployment to go up you brainless mob-rulers...
User avatar #47417 to #47355 - cdsams (09/14/2013) [-]
When legal workers get more and more expansive, illegal workers become more and more comparatively cheaper.
User avatar #47418 to #47417 - pebar (09/14/2013) [-]
mhmm
User avatar #47357 to #47355 - akkere (09/13/2013) [-]
Price of food might not rise for restaurants because most of that has already been moved off into the below-minimum-wage + tip shtick, only ones that might be effected are stocking, but it wouldn't be that severe.
We'll probably be seeing the results in the next Q4 and Q1 for 2014 Reports, as Q3 might be happening too soon for us to be able to fully evaluate the situation.
#47354 - feelythefeel (09/13/2013) [-]
Look at that, we've got niggernazi trying to enter the race for most successful troll of the board.

Look at that, we've got niggernazi almost immediately pulling up the rear.
User avatar #47351 - pebar (09/12/2013) [-]
ITT: hate crime is thought crime

Some Florida pastor was arrested for trying to burn nearly 3000 qurans. Supposedly for trying to transport fuel.
User avatar #47353 to #47351 - CapnInterwebz (09/13/2013) [-]
He was trying to burn one Quran for each person that died on 9/11. He got pulled over for, if I remember correctly, illegally transporting fuel and having a firearm (i didn't see what sort of firearm he had) displayed in public. He's been stirring shit up and trying to pull off one of these events for the last few years I think.
User avatar #47352 to #47344 - Shiny ONLINE (09/12/2013) [-]
Daily reminder that Anders Breivik was a Zionist that killed 77 people because they disagreed with him politically
#47359 to #47352 - niggernazi (09/13/2013) [-]
a true hero that is
#47342 - niggernazi (09/12/2013) [-]
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