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#43718 - anonexplains (08/05/2013) [-]
By redistributing some income, let's say a 10% and it gets spread out to every single person who pays in, wealth is not as concentrated, more people have money, this creates demand for products which creates new business and new jobs.
inb4 lynch the democrat

discuss
#43750 to #43718 - byposted (08/05/2013) [-]
10% flat additional income tax for expropriation

If I were to have an annual income of 60,000 USD, it would drop, for instance, to 54,000 USD without taking into account what the government already grabs from my paycheck to finance itself. It may seem insignificant to you, of course.

In redistribution, who would it benefit and how would it all go about? The IRS would have to expand itself, for certain, which would be an expense. If you were to progressively expropriate the money to poorer people so that they gain more than they paid, where would the line be drawn? Would the rich even get any of their money refunded?

If you could even find a way to make the above function, you'd face the original premise, which is tremendously stupid. The amount of additional income poorer people would obtain from such a policy would not correct the lost income of the upper class, which creates the jobs in the first place. Wealth does not grow on trees.
User avatar #43772 to #43750 - heyhowsitgoin ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
What exactly is your political ideology? Just curious.
User avatar #43726 to #43718 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
That doesn't work.

The only people who need it are the unemployed who have no money to pay into it hence program would fail.
User avatar #43725 to #43718 - LtMcG ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
Who gets the wealth? Where does it come from?
User avatar #43723 to #43718 - pebar (08/05/2013) [-]
If it replaced welfare & food stamps, and only people who have been working for at least one year are eligible to receive, then I might consider it.
User avatar #43724 to #43723 - pebar (08/05/2013) [-]
actually.... net result, how would that be different than a progressive tax system?
#43708 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
I've always been a big lover of military logistics and history when I saw pacific rim (Haven't seen the movie but the plot) I had to think,    
   
Someone had to think.    
"So lets build a giant robot that we send out to see a terrain with one of the steepest unpredictable shifting landscapes while taking a bath in one of the most corrosive substances substances (Salt water is a bitch) in a giant hunk of metal that took the same about of money and resources to build and rub a small city to fight a monster that is more comfortable in water, can swim."    
   
"Why not build a bomb or gun to hit them? its cheaper and not so crazy."    
   
"Hurr durr wouldn't work"    
   
If one bomb does't work, keep strapping more TNT to it till it works. because eventually it will.    
ib4 Gun isn't big enough, its a projectile in a hollow tube that can take a big enough explosion to fire it if it only work for one shot make it count. Hell if you can built a giant fighting robot I'm sure you can spare a buck for a fine ass rail gun.    
ib4 toxic blood.Well its dead. What else do you want???    
   
Maybe I'm being stupid because I haven't seen it yet.    
   
Sorry but the whole "Giant fighting human robot is kind of stupid if we are going up against Monsters. You want to know how to kill a monster? Same way you crush a Tank. With cheap anti armor.    
   
MFW I'm Texan and the answer is "Use more guns"    
   
Furthermore, The whole "We were fighting monsters so we made our own." Bitch please. We ARE monsters. We kill, rape, crush, destroy and cannibalize our own dead. WE ARE MONSTERS. These things are nothing compared to us. Sure they are bigger than us but they couldn't even dream to do what we can do. We'd nuke our own moon to bits if it wasn't useful and had looked at us funny. We have nearly wiped ourselves and everything off the face of the earth more time than we care to count. We are monsters alone, we don't need to build them. What we need to build are the tools that we may work our monstrosity to our enemies.
I've always been a big lover of military logistics and history when I saw pacific rim (Haven't seen the movie but the plot) I had to think,

Someone had to think.
"So lets build a giant robot that we send out to see a terrain with one of the steepest unpredictable shifting landscapes while taking a bath in one of the most corrosive substances substances (Salt water is a bitch) in a giant hunk of metal that took the same about of money and resources to build and rub a small city to fight a monster that is more comfortable in water, can swim."

"Why not build a bomb or gun to hit them? its cheaper and not so crazy."

"Hurr durr wouldn't work"

If one bomb does't work, keep strapping more TNT to it till it works. because eventually it will.
ib4 Gun isn't big enough, its a projectile in a hollow tube that can take a big enough explosion to fire it if it only work for one shot make it count. Hell if you can built a giant fighting robot I'm sure you can spare a buck for a fine ass rail gun.
ib4 toxic blood.Well its dead. What else do you want???

Maybe I'm being stupid because I haven't seen it yet.

Sorry but the whole "Giant fighting human robot is kind of stupid if we are going up against Monsters. You want to know how to kill a monster? Same way you crush a Tank. With cheap anti armor.

MFW I'm Texan and the answer is "Use more guns"

Furthermore, The whole "We were fighting monsters so we made our own." Bitch please. We ARE monsters. We kill, rape, crush, destroy and cannibalize our own dead. WE ARE MONSTERS. These things are nothing compared to us. Sure they are bigger than us but they couldn't even dream to do what we can do. We'd nuke our own moon to bits if it wasn't useful and had looked at us funny. We have nearly wiped ourselves and everything off the face of the earth more time than we care to count. We are monsters alone, we don't need to build them. What we need to build are the tools that we may work our monstrosity to our enemies.
User avatar #43804 to #43708 - sinclairr (08/05/2013) [-]
I think I see your point but you present it oddly. If I'm correct, you're asking why build giant robots will all these setbacks when we can throw a bomb at them, ya?

Well bombs (even if you had something like 600 tons of TNT) would be terrible for people. Explosion's radius, fallout, tsunamis, earthquakes, degrees of heat....

Believe it or not giant Robots would be much easier. Nuclear bombs are some of the most dangerous things Humans have ever seen, and they're not (believe it or not, again) that effective in the long term of wars. They just fuck up what's there at the time, and ruin the land with fallout/changes of environment/etc. etc.
User avatar #43809 to #43804 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
(bombs vs. Giant robots that do the same damage with less effectiveness)
i also mentioned guns
User avatar #43730 to #43708 - songemot (08/05/2013) [-]
Yeah. I'm pretty sure even something like Schwerer Gustav would work better than building a giant robot to punch it.
User avatar #43736 to #43730 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Yeah. Most people have hard one for the big guns. But big guns don't win shit. A Maus tank is nice and fine till It gets hit a few too many times.
I get the logic behind it but a bunch of long range attacks will end even the best armor.
User avatar #43719 to #43708 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
Why do you post things that aren't related to Politics at all so much?
User avatar #43727 to #43719 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
and because I try to hold my commie hate on hold.
User avatar #43721 to #43719 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Military IS politics
User avatar #43722 to #43721 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
It's a post about Pacific Rim and you hinging a review on the subject about who the real monsters are, while placing a justification to having it here by making a flimsy reference to military.
User avatar #43728 to #43722 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
The whole thing was military.

The last part was just an bonus.
User avatar #43729 to #43728 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
"Just, like, keep adding bombs and anti-tank and you'll destroy a fictional monster that has no real necessity to abiding by actual laws of physics and the entirety of known science" = Total Military Logistics, which is totally worth putting in a Politics board.

Come on, really?
User avatar #43732 to #43729 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
'm too tired to deal with this shit.

Pacific Rim solution was Giant robots and a big wall. Both were beaten because they aren't practical.

What do you thing the MOAB is? Its a big fucking bomb, All it is is strapping more and more explosives to a device and letting it fall.

I was pointing out that if you want to kill a tank don't buy the bigger better tank, build something cheaper to kill said tank like field guns or even better mines. Which means for ever 200 dollars they spend on a tank, you spend 10 making the explosive device to kill it, or 50 buck for the field gun.

And remember you are saying the better solution is to build giant fighting robits.

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User avatar #43733 to #43731 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
That still doesn't justify posting this shit here.

This is more related to something like a forum that is dedicated to movies than it is on a board dedicated to Politics. This is a board that's supposed to be about discussing issues in the world; not issues that you had with the way some generic flick went.

You can't just slap some flimsy tag like "military" and it's OK to post about it here. You know what's also military? Call of Duty. That doesn't justify posting about the legitimacy of spinning around and blasting people with a high caliber rifle or being able to kill someone by throwing a tomahawk at their foot.

If the movie was more directly related to Politics, like a documentary or some take on a political methodology, then that'd be something different. But this is a generic "giant thing fights other giant thing". Talking about that giant thing could've been taken out by bombs isn't Politics related.
User avatar #43734 to #43733 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
It opens the conversation about military spending and logistics. Something often effected by politics and economics both subjects of the board. For example every member of the UN uses the same basic rounds, where or not they are better.

While I am not getting into a debate over AK47 vs. M16. Markov vs. M1911 etc. Tiger vs T34 its still a fun way to start a discussion.
User avatar #43735 to #43734 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
That's the flimsiest excuse I have ever seen to post something unrelated to the subject matter of a board.

You're associating a practically tongue-in-cheek movie about a giant robot fighting a giant monster - of which obeys little practical logic - with a probability that it's going to turn into a discussion for military spending.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
User avatar #43739 to #43735 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Like if I just said "Lets talk about military logistics" No one would respond to it because no one would know where to start.
User avatar #43742 to #43739 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
That's why you give an example, such as presenting an issue that is happening that is either interesting, present, or both.
User avatar #43743 to #43742 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
... Without being balls-off-the-walls stupid in an attempt to fake interest.
User avatar #43737 to #43735 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Not everything needs to be serious.
User avatar #43741 to #43737 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
It has to be practical.
User avatar #43744 to #43741 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Again still starts a conversation about it.
User avatar #43745 to #43744 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
It's incredibly unlikely because it's impractical, and it's impractical because it's unrelated to any actual matter without having someone attempting to hinge on a bullshit reason for it to be.
User avatar #43746 to #43745 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Would you like to discuss the issue at hand or continue to moan and groan at my attempt?
User avatar #43747 to #43746 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
I'm tired of you either posting things that aren't related to politics at all without you going "Well, if you look at it in this perspective, it kind of is related to politics and would definitely start a conversation", or just simply perpetuating the Cappy vs. Commie debates (read: shitsprees), which, by the way, you're no better than the commies that circlejerked the shit every time you do that.
User avatar #43748 to #43747 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Someone jimmies are really rustled.
I mean seriously cool your shit bro.

Remember when Byposted said all homosexuals were communist? Or frisia said communists have never done any hard work in their life? Or when the communists circle jerked each other that was no discussion at all. That's shit posting but hey lets ignore those event and focus on my occasional bad posts that I make to lighten the political mood and mine alone. Seriously nigger? Seriously?

And I don't often post Communism vs. Capitalism since the last big thing. In fact I've been try to keep it from exploding like it did a while ago with one of the communists to start it up again.

I don't do that anymore because they don't circle jerk they are now actively involving themselves in a discussion other than "Hurr durr communism rock capitalism sucks"

Again the board moves slower that a stoned dead turtle with its posting. I try to keep things alive and interesting.

And this is the first time I've done this "This could start a conversation" and the cap and commie was a long time ago.

I make plenty of political posts but occasionally I like to have a little fun.

Oh and that musing I wrote? That was a gift to you guys because it was about you guys.

So calm your tits bro.
#43766 to #43748 - valeriya (08/05/2013) [-]
Let's clean this up a bit shall we, firstly it pretty much went from being guns 24/7 to discussing socialism / communism, you and quite a few other only seemed to have x amount of arguments so we were often repeating ourselves to you, so I pretty much stopped arguing then you all went full retard for a bit then you stopped being retarded then you occasionally go back to being full retard it seems to be a bit of a cycle.
User avatar #43767 to #43766 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Mostly because I didn't understand communism now I do.
#43770 to #43767 - valeriya (08/05/2013) [-]
I've no strong feelings either way, I wouldn't bother posting in it myself, I don't post much these days because there's nothing interesting going on.
User avatar #43771 to #43770 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
I figured someone might want to talk about military logistics with me....
#43768 to #43767 - valeriya (08/05/2013) [-]
Well it's a plus 1 on what it was before, well I like to hope so also on a general level you can use me as an indicator I've got enough beating dead horses gifs to last me a lifetime.
User avatar #43769 to #43768 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Yeah but my post here wasn't THAT bad
User avatar #43751 to #43748 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
You don't keep things alive and interesting by derailing the actual point of the board.
And it's childish to sit there and go "BUT BUT THEY DO THEIR SHIT, WHY CAN'T I DO MINE?". I pointed out that you were no better than the communists that circlejerked by perpetuating the shit when you tried starting Cap vs. Com threads, or did you honestly forget the few lines I wrote on that post?

And yes, my jimmies are rustled. My jimmies are rustled at the fact that you're not being moderate in the "fun" enough that you can't figure out the difference between making a few jokes and lines, and making an entire goddamn wall of text about how a movie that has no real kindling for a political discussion without someone having to inflate one.

C'mon man. C'mon.
User avatar #43752 to #43751 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
I'm just trying to put out there that its nothing new. It been done over and over and over.

I saw, just didn't fucking care. Because as I said I stopped that whole shit.

So yes you don't really want a political discussion you just want to rant like a child about how bad my attempt to get people talking is. So please just continue. I'll respond and you'll respond and it will be fun little shit posting that will vent your frustration but do nothing because you are only mad at this one post.

And guess what, I'll post whatever I damn well please.


Now do you want to discuss ANYTHING other than what I post or just sit there like a brat and complain about what I post rather than discussing the issue?
User avatar #43754 to #43752 - akkere ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
I'm just explaining to you that there's better ways to incite a political discussion than just attempting to dig one up out of a movie that has no relation to one.

You didn't have to sit there and go "I DONT FUCKING CARE, ILL POST WHATEVER I DAMN WANT".
User avatar #43756 to #43754 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Because I can.

the movie post again like I said was posted somewhere else got red thumbed then I posted it here hoping you guys might enjoy it more and because might start a discussion. Its was 2000 characters long too much to throw away.
User avatar #43717 to #43708 - loomiss ONLINE (08/05/2013) [-]
Bomb big enough to kill it = wiping out cities with that bomb
no.
User avatar #43720 to #43717 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
> "end city with bomb"
Notice the part that I said gun
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User avatar #43709 to #43708 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Its about pacific rim. It got red thumbed I worked on it too long to remove it forever. Soo I'm posting it here.
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#43697 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
Le shitpost free Syria update thread. In this thread you say nice things about Assad, the Syrian government, and Shitte Muslims. Feel free to share any videos of rebellious slaves being killed or songs expressing the glory of Assad and Hezbollah.

New Iranian president vows support for Syria's Assad
www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/new-iranian-president-vows-support-for-syrias-assad-20130805-2r878.html

Beirut: Iran's new president expressed his country's support to Syria's embattled leader Bashar Assad's regime Sunday, saying no force in the world will be able to shake their decades-old alliance.

Hasan Rouhani's comments came as Syrian troops and rebels fought some of the fiercest battles in the mountains of the coastal province of Latakia, an Assad stronghold.

Syria limits foreign currency use, threatens traders with jail
www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/04/us-syria-crisis-currency-idUSBRE97304M20130804

(Reuters) - Syrian traders who price goods in foreign currency will face up to 10 years in jail, the government announced on Sunday in a move aimed at stemming the increasing dollarization of an economy crippled by two years of civil war.

A decree issued by President Bashar al-Assad "forbids the use of anything other than the Syrian pound as payment for any type of commercial transaction or cash settlement".

Pressed on Syria, Hezbollah Leader Urges Focus on Israel
www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/world/middleeast/under-fire-on-syria-hezbollah-leader-urges-focus-on-israel.html

But on Friday, he declared, to cheers, “Many times I speak as a nationalist, as a Muslim, but I’m going to speak as a Shiite.”

“Say what you want; call us terrorists, call us criminals, try and kill us wherever you want,” Mr. Nasrallah said. “We shall not abandon Palestine.”
User avatar #43696 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Saddle up Cowboy!
Its time for Funny Junk Movie night!
"Can you ride?"
"Si"
"You find Oxan. You tell him,"
Valdez is Coming: You need to login to view this link

Butch Cassidy And the Sundance Kid: You need to login to view this link

I'll be your huckleberry.
Tombstone: You need to login to view this link

I thought FJ movie night was dead.
Next man who says that I'll shoot.
Big Jack: You need to login to view this link

Oxan naxo byposted major mayhem lulzforsandyhook jewishcommunazi twi roll DJ 4DM1N undeadwill valeriya frisia thechurchchurch rety pebar acroneos levchenko mykoira thedudeistheman heyhowsitgoin teoberry fuckya noamk TimBisley kingarther socalpunk zeroheros dynomarx ozthebest TomTheGerbil falconeyez shatsmepants bubblegumfaerie foffepoffe wheresmahgum cheesewithmold angrybirdy jinxter bloodeyes fizzor illshowyouletters huszti
User avatar #43797 to #43796 - teoberry (08/05/2013) [-]
wait it's cowboy movie night and brokeback mountain isn't in the list. tha fuck, undeadwill?
User avatar #43799 to #43797 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
.........

We had gay movie night you little faggot. (those were modern cowboys not old west)
User avatar #43801 to #43799 - teoberry (08/05/2013) [-]
oh. all movie nights should be gay movie night
User avatar #43802 to #43801 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Too many nights too little homosex
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#43682 - pebar (08/04/2013) [-]
Apparently it's Obama's birthday today.
User avatar #43687 to #43682 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Lets send him KFC
#43680 - anonexplains (08/04/2013) [-]
www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-venice-boardwalk-crash-man-arrested-suspicion-of-murder-20130804,0,5422436.story

Proof that people kill people, not guns. It doesn't take an AR-15 to massacre a crowd.
User avatar #43681 to #43680 - CapnInterwebz (08/04/2013) [-]
>implying proof was needed to support such a claim
#43669 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
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My father listened to the first national Rush Limbaugh program and it was Limbaugh's 25th anniversary a few days ago. He actually built his way to the top in an industry where he had no connections.
User avatar #43685 to #43669 - akkere ONLINE (08/04/2013) [-]
And he blew it all up by himself just as well. He got far too over his head and he's paying the price for it.
User avatar #43675 to #43669 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Not bad..
#43640 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Captain Jimmies reporting in star date -
Captain we are under attack Tis Post is too much!\
Captain Jimmies??
I'm sorry son there isn't anything we can do.
Captain jimmies has been rustled.

Officer bonkers is now in charge what shall we do.

Retaliation level: American Foreign policy. Russian Scorched Earth. Fat Ben's poop.
#43652 to #43640 - pebar (08/04/2013) [-]
The word rape isn't mentioned in North Dakota law.   

			
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User avatar #43642 to #43640 - feelythefeel (08/04/2013) [-]
Star Wars Music Pick Episode VI: Victory Celebration It's fake.
User avatar #43674 to #43642 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
How do you know?

Is it the onion?
User avatar #43686 to #43684 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Right. GOFD DAMN IT V STOP PLAYING WITH MY EMOTIONS
#43643 to #43642 - valeriya (08/04/2013) [-]
You could've waited it would've been quite entertaining to watch.
User avatar #43710 to #43630 - domitius (08/04/2013) [-]
must be a slow news day
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23547802 - this was on today's front page
that gif cracked me up
User avatar #43639 to #43630 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Maybe just maybe these warmer areas with more crime have more crime because... Everything south of Northern countries is a third world shit hole.
#43636 to #43630 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2013/07/31/science.1235367

We find strong causal evidence linking climatic events to human conflict across a range of spatial and temporal scales and across all major regions of the world. The magnitude of climate's influence is substantial: for each 1 standard deviation (1σ) change in climate toward warmer temperatures or more extreme rainfall, median estimates indicate that the frequency of interpersonal violence rises 4% and the frequency of intergroup conflict rises 14%.
This doesn't necessarily reference "global warming." It's a known fact that warmer temperatures will bring more crime, for instance, in places like Chicongo.

This summary gives no explanation for what the authors consider "climate." Did they compare crime rates and ethnic conflict in certain countries while examining temperature? It's completely inconclusive if so. Did they show the correlation between violent crime and warmer climate, crosschecking it with other factors such as the amount of niggers in said area?
User avatar #43637 to #43636 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/climate-change-violence/index.html

Conflict is also associated with extreme rainfall, particularly in societies dependent on agriculture. Higher rates of personal violence are found in low-income settings, where agriculture income suffers from extremely wet or dry conditions.

The Mayan civilization appears to have collapsed during long periods of drought, Hsiang said. The same global climate event seems to have brought down the Tang dynasty in China -- in fact, according to Hsiang, most Chinese dynasties collapsed during dry spells.
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So conflict not only arises in wetter climate, which was said at BBC, but drier climate as well! Of course all these agrarian societies collapsed during these periods of irregular climate not because it destroyed the crops, but because it created "conflict." Trust me.
#43635 to #43630 - repostsrepost (08/04/2013) [-]
directed at this columnist not you
#43621 - feelythefeel (08/03/2013) [-]
What's more important to you guys, economic or social freedom?
What's more important to you guys, economic or social freedom?
User avatar #43704 to #43621 - oxan (08/04/2013) [-]
Social freedom.

Economic freedom is such an ill-defined term.
User avatar #43676 to #43621 - undeadwill (08/04/2013) [-]
Social freedom is impotent but so is economic. I'd say both.

(Because in some countries people like me are killed= no social freedom)
#43762 to #43676 - valeriya (08/05/2013) [-]
>Impotent...
User avatar #43763 to #43762 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
Important. Sorry
#43764 to #43763 - valeriya (08/05/2013) [-]
Don't worry it was funny, but I'm about to punch you through the screen.
User avatar #43765 to #43764 - undeadwill (08/05/2013) [-]
>I liked it but fuck you.
lawlz
#43632 to #43621 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
Economic so that the economy may thrive and not be manipulated heavily by bureaucrats who aren't qualified to manage it. The average nigger individual is too stupid to appreciate any social freedoms and it is for the best that they be restricted in some respects. The Bolsheviks followed a similar premise in regard to the worker's interests.

You're stretching it, CapnInterwebz. Although America's government is a mockery (Congress is taking a two month vacation which began for the House yesterday; I was just in D.C. to see them happily drive away to their mansions) it is certainly better to live here than in what was the Communist East.
User avatar #43633 to #43632 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
I should edit this picture with Gary Johnson campaign posters.
#43629 to #43621 - repostsrepost (08/03/2013) [-]
You cannot have one without the other. If a government is empowered to violate one of those rights, why wouldn't it violate all of them?
#43624 to #43621 - CapnInterwebz (08/03/2013) [-]
Preferably both, but social freedom above all.

If your society has to operate as your government dictates, then I can't see the point in having economic freedoms. I'd rather live under socialism/communism and a small government than a large government with a capitalist economy.
#43634 to #43624 - byposted (08/04/2013) [-]
Socialist/Communist state with small government

Do you ever wonder why libertarians hate socialism so much? It's not just "muh freedumbs" but in that its system of government requires a large bureaucracy.
#43617 - CapnInterwebz (08/03/2013) [-]
ITT: Political correctness - yay or nay?

I say it is a plague and should be stopped before we begin to outlaw specific words.
User avatar #43705 to #43617 - oxan (08/04/2013) [-]
Claims of people/things being 'politically correct' is often exaggerated butthurt.

But there are limits.
User avatar #43618 to #43617 - pebar (08/03/2013) [-]
Government interfering with culture is always a bad thing. If it's socially unacceptable to say nigger for example and you get shunned for being a douche, that's fine, as long as it's culture that's doing it. When the government get's involved and starts giving people fines and jail time, then it's a problem.

Let culture change on its own. If it's forced, it creates more tension than it's worth.
User avatar #43619 to #43618 - CapnInterwebz (08/03/2013) [-]
I agree 100%.

The government oversteps its bounds when it attempts to legislate any kind of morality, seeing as morals and values differ person to person. Although some might argue that there is a sort of universal morality spiritually imbued to us by a god, blah blah blah this isn't the right board.

A few months back I saw that the governor of the state I live in signed a bill that required any "offensive" and "gender discriminate" words (i.e. fisherman, freshman, penmanship) in all of the past and future legislature to be replaced with politically correct bullshit (i.e. fisher, first-year student, handwriting). On top of all that, rewriting every bill that has been recorded will be funded with taxpayer money.
#43615 - yoloswagnyangag (08/03/2013) [-]
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DO you know whats undebatably funny? New memes!
User avatar #43606 - pebar (08/03/2013) [-]
Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats? - Neil deGrasse Tyson Undeadwill, as a more hardcore libertarian than I, what do you think about funding NASA and other science researchers? Also Oxan, do you think a communist society would be better at discovering new... discoveries... that provide foundations on which new innovation is built, as compared to capitalism (the borleswazy do have a motive whereas the proletariat don't)?
User avatar #43700 to #43606 - oxan (08/04/2013) [-]
Yeah, of course. We've been over this, but whatever.

Look at something like Telsa Motors. Producing electric cars, a huge technological advance, yet up until recently were being propped up by federal funding. Capitalism doesn't necessarily lead to innovation.

So why wouldn't there be innovation? People have a intrinsic desire to be creative.
#43620 to #43606 - valeriya (08/03/2013) [-]
Covered. The motive doesn't change.
Covered. The motive doesn't change.
User avatar #43614 to #43606 - undeadwill (08/03/2013) [-]
The private markets do better however NASA was created to be the word's most expensive PR stunt. Its done many great things in the past now its time for government to stand aside and allow private markets to not only go to the moon but mine the surface.
User avatar #43590 - superpats (08/02/2013) [-]
Gun sales in Newtown CT have more than doubled since the Sandy Hook Massacre. DIscuss?
User avatar #43593 to #43590 - undeadwill (08/02/2013) [-]
supply and demand gun nuts know they will try and ban the guns so they buy them up.
#43591 to #43590 - pebar (08/02/2013) [-]
Any questions?
#43583 - anonexplains (08/02/2013) [-]
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