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#27379 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
fruity bum bum
#27373 - vanoreo (04/18/2013) [-]
People don't need guns.
People don't need guns.
User avatar #27400 to #27373 - Zarke (04/19/2013) [-]
Ideally they wouldn't, but there are people who do, who either hunt to earn their living or people who live in fear of the criminal element. Until all the world's police and military forces feel they are safe enough to put down their guns, nobody else should have to either.

And of course, fuck "need". If we only used what we needed, we'd be wearing uncoloured cotton garments of varying thickness to suit the weather and be eating vitamin-enriched bread for daily sustenance.
#27393 to #27373 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
Tell that to a criminal who has a gun pointed at your face. I'm sure he'll come to his senses and put the gun down.
User avatar #27389 to #27373 - badsamaritan (04/19/2013) [-]
Women are weaker than men. Woman has a gun, less chance of her getting raped
User avatar #27382 to #27373 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
No, we do.
#27375 to #27373 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
entirely no.
but bad people have guns, so good people do need guns.
User avatar #27422 to #27375 - cantfindausername ONLINE (04/19/2013) [-]
How about having "less than lethal" weapons instead?
User avatar #27401 to #27375 - CapnInterwebz (04/19/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure there's a police force for that, LaPierre
User avatar #27423 to #27401 - cantfindausername ONLINE (04/19/2013) [-]
You can't always rely on them.
User avatar #27410 to #27401 - oxan (04/19/2013) [-]
From the Black Panther's party program:

'We Want An Immediate End To Police Brutality And Murder Of Black People.

We believe we can end police brutality in our Black community by organizing Black self-defense groups that are dedicated to defending our Black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States gives a right to bear arms. We therefore believe that all Black people should arm themselves for self- defense.'

And then we remember incidents like the recent suppression of protesting migrant workers demanding their pay on a farm. The people have a right to arm themselves for their own protection.
#27406 to #27401 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
Because the police can just magically teleport into your house and protect you right the moment someone breaks in with the intent to kill you.
User avatar #27403 to #27401 - pebar (04/19/2013) [-]
If you're ever in a situation where you need the police the most, the police will not be there for you.
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User avatar #27377 to #27375 - vanoreo (04/18/2013) [-]
User avatar #27365 - CapnInterwebz (04/18/2013) [-]
>North Korea has identified the concessions it wants the US and UN to make before opening peace talks
(source: www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/north-korea-sets-preconditions- for-peace-talks/article4629981.ece)

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#27364 to #27361 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
User avatar #27358 - paranoidwzy (04/18/2013) [-]
April dose not seem to get any better
User avatar #27359 to #27358 - paintbucket (04/18/2013) [-]
April dose?
wtf is that?
User avatar #27324 - rokkarokkaali (04/18/2013) [-]
The news station business is booming with all the new things happening
User avatar #27317 - mykoira (04/18/2013) [-]
more explosions in US this time in Texas (no terrorism this time)
User avatar #27385 to #27317 - badsamaritan (04/18/2013) [-]
Texan here! They dont know what started the fire. Terrorism and criminal activity is still a possibility also they are still treating the area as a crime scene.
User avatar #27331 to #27317 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
(no terrorism). Not confirmed. Currently they do not know the cause.
#27335 to #27331 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
the cause was a fire.
User avatar #27339 to #27335 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
User avatar #27342 to #27339 - moser (04/18/2013) [-]
Our local news stations say it was a fire but they don't know what caused it yet.
#27409 to #27342 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
People should learn not to light a match WHEN FAT BEN IS FARTING
User avatar #27338 to #27335 - mykoira (04/18/2013) [-]
what could have been lit by terrorist
User avatar #27333 to #27331 - mykoira (04/18/2013) [-]
but saying that it might terrorism would normally be far fetched, but taking consider current times it could be terrorism
User avatar #27336 to #27333 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
It is a good target. Fertilizer is volatile. Shouldn't be hard to blow up. It is in Waco, and near the anniversary of two tragedies. There is certain to be deaths, destruction, chaos and publicity. That is basically the purpose of any terror attack. To inflict terror.
User avatar #27314 - pebar (04/18/2013) [-]
The rights of the people are finally starting to be upheld again.
User avatar #27312 - Zarke (04/18/2013) [-]
So... Did North Korea disappear or something? Are they still relevant, or did the terror-train find a more personal track to roll down?
User avatar #27354 to #27312 - paintbucket (04/18/2013) [-]
NK is a little child that beats it's fists when no one pays attention to them.
User avatar #27355 to #27354 - Zarke (04/18/2013) [-]
But nobody's paying attention to him now...
User avatar #27356 to #27355 - paintbucket (04/18/2013) [-]
that's what i mean.
they'll shoot off a rocket or something stupid soon, again.
User avatar #27313 to #27312 - pebar (04/18/2013) [-]
It's still going on; the media just found more interesting things to report on. Then general public tends to get bored very easily. It really shows you how little people care.
User avatar #27308 - CapnInterwebz (04/18/2013) [-]
Possible presidential candidates for 2016?

inb4 Clinton, Rand, Rubio, etc
#27351 to #27308 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
fat ben
User avatar #27332 to #27308 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
Ventura 2016.
#27297 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
crime is the price of freedom
#27348 to #27297 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
Crime still exists under a totalitarian system. It's just the government doing all the crime instead.
User avatar #27319 to #27297 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
Crime is the result of poverty and/or mental illness, both of which can be eradicated.
#27327 to #27319 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
yes, by mass murder.
wouldn't you agree mister soviet?
User avatar #27362 to #27327 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
I would say treatment, sterilisation and eugenics, myself.
User avatar #27392 to #27362 - Ruspanic (04/19/2013) [-]
Sterilization and eugenics are unconscionable, except maybe for rapists.
#27368 to #27362 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
sterilisation and eugenics

the nazis were real big on that.
User avatar #27369 to #27368 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
Sterlisation and eugenics occur daily around the world. The comparison means little. Try again.
#27372 to #27369 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
it's sterilization
and it just proves human rights mean little to you.
User avatar #27378 to #27372 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]

Sterlization is something pushed for in capitalist economies. And communists don't care about human rights?

Article 25.
• (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

I'm glad to see this right is respected consistently in capitalist economies. It's good to know capitalist economies have no homeless and equal access to healthcare.
#27383 to #27378 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
that's a fucking joke.
someone else has to pay for it.
you can't sustain it in any good quality.
sure everybody gets that, but it's shit.
in capitalism there are winners and losers, except the losers aren't really losers.
the living standards in the US are much better than russia or china.
no one is starving in the US.
in communism, everybody is a loser. there's no motivation. no happiness. no success. your father was a factory worker, you will be a factory worker, your son will be a factory worker.
except the leaders, the ruling class.
User avatar #27384 to #27383 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
How does communism work?

Seriously anon:

16% of the US population lives in poverty. Until market reforms in the USSR, about 3% did.

The standard of living in the US is probably higher than Russia and China, but they're both capitalist nations, so I don't see what point you're trying to prove.

In socialism (since communism has never been reached [hurr what's a mode of production]), there was motivation. People were paid according to their contribution, thus a varying wage scale. There was happiness. How would you possibly claim there wasn't? And turning a country that consisted of 80% of peasants, mostly illiterate, into a world superpower in less than 30 years is quite a success.

The USSR had universally free and comprehensive education. The claim of occupations being intergenerational is quite a stretch. Not to mention that it's more consistent in capitalist economies.
#27386 to #27384 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
>thinking the standard of living is better in the USSR than the US

god, you really are dumb aren't you?
User avatar #27388 to #27386 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, did I actually state the USSR had higher living standards than the West? No? What I said was that the level of poverty was lower in the USSR than in the US. The United States was already a highly industrialised country by the time of the October Revolution. Thus, Russia industrialised a lot later than the United States. Of course there's going to be differences in living standards. No one ever said socialism will transform an agricultural country into a country with the highest living standards in 70 years. But to go from a primarily agricultural nation to what it was is a huge achievement.

Now, would you like to retract your last statement until you learn to comprehend what you're reading?
#27390 to #27388 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
how can i even argue with you when your so far up your own communist ass?
carry on believing what you want.
you can fight to turn your own country into a commie shit hole.
i'll just ask one question
why did the soviets have to build a wall between capitalist west germany and socialist east?
User avatar #27395 to #27390 - oxan (04/19/2013) [-]
I'm loving the negative thumbs, by the way. It makes your argument very credible.
#27414 to #27395 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
lol nobody likes you.
User avatar #27416 to #27414 - oxan (04/19/2013) [-]
Chicagoan libertarians infest this board, I expect no less.
#27442 to #27416 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
ha. i knew you were proxy thumbing yourself.
#27481 to #27442 - 4chan refugee (04/19/2013) [-]
Has it ever occured to you that there are plenty other people with the ability to thumb comments besides you and Oxan?
User avatar #27454 to #27442 - oxan (04/19/2013) [-]
Whatever you say, Anon. I have better things to do than go to the effort of thumbing myself up with proxies.
User avatar #27391 to #27390 - oxan (04/19/2013) [-]
What's the point of you arguing when you're so indoctrinated by capitalist propaganda to even listen? What's the point when you actually have no idea how the Soviet Union actually operated?

Do you not realise the wonders that would occur if an industralised nation with an advanced economy like Australia underwent a socialist transformation? Considering even a country like China endured such great success during the Great Leap Forward, what achievements could we make when we have to skip a period of rapid industrialisation?

The Berlin Wall, I haven't looked into too much. I've only recently began looking at the GDR. I'll begin by stating that the GDR never reached even socialism. Stalin criticised GDR leadership and their implementation of 'socialism' but was ignored. However, it's important to remember that prior to the end of WW2, Germans were constantly indoctrinated by Nazi propaganda about the 'evils' of the Bolsheviks. Many continued to hold the feelings that had developed during Nazi rule.

How about I ask you this? Why did the US government consider assassinations against Occupy Wall Street leaders? Why did the US government overthrow a moderate, social democratic government in Iran and install a dictator? Why did they immediately put pressure on Chile after the election of Allende? Why did they support Pinochet during the coup? Until the capitalists apologise for these unjust interventions (and many more like them), I make no apologies for the Berlin Wall, which would've been avoided anyway had the GDR listened to Stalin.
#27345 to #27327 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
Gee, killing in the name of an idea sure is unusual.
User avatar #27363 to #27345 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
And the amount of killings are generally exaggerated, fabricated or justifiable.
#27367 to #27363 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
exaggerated, fabricated or justifiable
you really are a fucking soviet.
User avatar #27370 to #27367 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]
I guess so.
User avatar #27303 to #27297 - Zarke (04/18/2013) [-]
Pretty much. So long as people are free to exercise their free will, there is no way you can legislate away ill intent. However, just be glad that by and large, most people don't want to do much harm.
User avatar #27292 - medewu ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]

"The fertilizer plant down here exploded, said Jason Shelton, a clerk at the Czech Best Western Hotel in West. “It was a small fire and then water got sprayed the ammonia nitrate and it exploded just like the Oklahoma City bomb.

User avatar #27293 to #27292 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
Another attack? Seems like a fitting time for Waco anniversary and Oklahoma City Bombing.
#27296 to #27293 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
clearly not an attack.
fertilizer is volatile shit.
industrial accident most likely.
proximity to waco means nothing.
User avatar #27301 to #27296 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
That is all fine and good, but it is a hell of a coincidence.
#27329 to #27301 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
oh boy, eight
did the bankers do this one too?
User avatar #27330 to #27329 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
What up, paint.
User avatar #27340 to #27330 - moser (04/18/2013) [-]
Is it really paint?
This is the same angry black man that's been replying to me.
User avatar #27341 to #27340 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
Paint is the only one who intentionally mocks me on these boards. I have good reason to believe it is likely him.
User avatar #27352 to #27341 - paintbucket (04/18/2013) [-]
it's not me, fuckwit.
if i want to mock you i'll log in.
User avatar #27357 to #27352 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
It is this kind of belligerence that makes me think it is you. And if it isn't you it is surely someone like you.
#27349 to #27341 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
I don't think it's him, I think he's just some bored anon who IP votes anyone who shows a slight hint of central and leftist policies. In a matter of 10/15 minutes, some comments with +3 thumbs got about -3. But I might be wrong. Anon engaged so no one can hurt my feelings through thumbs. Besides, I've seen Paintbucket having negative thumbs, if it was him, he'd probably just thumb all his comments.
User avatar #27343 to #27341 - moser (04/18/2013) [-]
I think you're right. Paint is the only one on this board that always ends his sentences with correct punctuation but never capitalizes the first letter of the sentence.
User avatar #27353 to #27343 - paintbucket (04/18/2013) [-]
lots of people do the same thing, sherlock.
User avatar #27347 to #27343 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
I never noticed that if it is true. If it is true, you should be a detective for your attention to detail.
#27334 to #27330 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
what up wut?
User avatar #27337 to #27334 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
What bankers?
#27344 to #27337 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
your conspiracy theories.

who is paint?
User avatar #27346 to #27344 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
The bankers video isn't a conspiracy theory, it is pointing out a repetitive action by the central banks as far back as the Revolutionary War up into the current wars. It shows how they came to control most of the worlds trade, commerce, and currencies, why the world is in a current depression and devaluation of the currencies. It shows why fiat currencies do not work and have never lasted. It is a lot closer to a history lesson. So until you have watched the video, you cannot accurately judge it.
User avatar #27283 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
U.S. Troops Dispatched to Syrian border. It's happening.
User avatar #27306 to #27283 - CapnInterwebz (04/18/2013) [-]
"the new arrivals will increase the total to more than 200."

I don't see anything more intense than a ping pong tournament going on any time soon
User avatar #27309 to #27306 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
Then you clearly you haven't played ping pong.
User avatar #27310 to #27309 - CapnInterwebz (04/18/2013) [-]
valid point
User avatar #27294 to #27283 - kingnarnode (04/18/2013) [-]
I doubt it, as if they can afford to have another war
User avatar #27284 to #27283 - medewu ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]
Link? source? Please and thank you.
User avatar #27286 to #27284 - oxan (04/18/2013) [-]

'Pentagon officials said Wednesday that the Obama DJ 4DM1Nistration has ordered additional U.S. troops to Jordan for possible chemical weapons control, humanitarian response or “stability operations” in Syria.'

>not having a tab with Google News open constantly
User avatar #27285 to #27284 - eight (04/18/2013) [-]
Google is your best friend.
#27270 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
User avatar #27307 to #27270 - CapnInterwebz (04/18/2013) [-]
Only a matter of time before they nab the bastard.
#27272 to #27270 - teoberry (04/17/2013) [-]
This is good. They've identified the guy.
This is good. They've identified the guy.
User avatar #27273 to #27272 - teoberry (04/17/2013) [-]
to clarify, boston PD know who it is, they just haven't got him yet
#27268 - pebar (04/17/2013) [-]
"universal" background checks fails!!!

User avatar #27298 to #27268 - moser (04/18/2013) [-]
Despite being supported by 90% of Americans. And 74% of NRA members.
#27326 to #27298 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
that 90% number is fucking bullshit, you mong.
every poll shows americans don't fucking care about gun control.
User avatar #27299 to #27298 - pebar (04/18/2013) [-]
The background check part, not the felony charges if you loan a gun to a friend for a day.
The bill was very poorly written.
User avatar #27300 to #27299 - moser (04/18/2013) [-]
Why do I get the feeling you would say that about any gun control legislation.
#27328 to #27300 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
because you're an asinine moron.
User avatar #27302 to #27300 - pebar (04/18/2013) [-]
-It's already a felony to attach a foregrip to a pistol
-Colorado's high cap mag ban affected nearly all magazines because it included "or readily convertable" in the definition
-The proposed assault weapons ban affected nearly every semi-automatic weapon because it was so broad sweeping. The 2000 some it "exempted" weren't really exempted because they wouldn't have been banned in the first places because it lists things like bolt action, pump action, single shot, etc.

most gun laws are poorly written because they're made by people who don't know anything about guns
#27262 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
Alex jones 2016
#27277 to #27262 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
FAT BEN 2016
User avatar #27266 to #27262 - pebar (04/17/2013) [-]
you must be joking...
#27281 to #27266 - 4chan refugee (04/18/2013) [-]
Nope, my name is not Joe King.
User avatar #27263 to #27262 - kingnarnode (04/17/2013) [-]
alex jones is a dipshit
User avatar #27255 - mykoira (04/17/2013) [-]
poison letter was send to Obama. the letter had some ricin inside. Just thought to let you know
User avatar #27274 to #27255 - CapnInterwebz (04/17/2013) [-]
So did a Miss. Senator
User avatar #27271 to #27255 - oxan (04/17/2013) [-]
If anyone's interested:

www.theage.com.au/world/obama-was-target-of-letter-containing-suspicious- substance-20130418-2i11f.html
User avatar #27260 to #27255 - paranoidwzy (04/17/2013) [-]
I wonder what the letter said
#27261 to #27260 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
Dear Obama,


User avatar #27257 to #27255 - eight (04/17/2013) [-]
Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Even school children know that the president doesn't read the letters addressed to him, or at least not first off.
User avatar #27258 to #27257 - mykoira (04/17/2013) [-]
the letter was caught in security check what checks every single letter
User avatar #27259 to #27258 - eight (04/17/2013) [-]
Yes, but the media portrays it like an assassination attempt on the President himself. Which is not true at all.
User avatar #27256 to #27255 - mykoira (04/17/2013) [-]
also Roger Wicker has recived one
User avatar #27251 - mykoira (04/17/2013) [-]
some muslim Salafist group made a rocket attack in Elat in Israel. just thought to let you know
User avatar #27254 to #27253 - mykoira (04/17/2013) [-]
well they were shot from Egypt
#27245 - oxan (04/17/2013) [-]
Sometimes, I really do think Americans would genuinely think in this manner.
#27252 to #27245 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
#27246 to #27245 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
I've seen a few who think like that and who associate everything bad Obama does and the republicans disagree to communism/socialism/islamism/etc. They can be good people, regardless. The problem is the rude ones who just insult people who don't share their exact same thoughts.
User avatar #27247 to #27246 - oxan (04/17/2013) [-]
I disagree, Anon. I think the problem is the tendency to dismiss Obama simply with 'he's a communist!' or whatever variation that refers to Obama as some radical leftist.

The lack of understanding of social democracy is actually quite strange because, I believe, America has compulsory government classes?
#27248 to #27247 - 4chan refugee (04/17/2013) [-]
I wasn't aware they had government classes, but anyway, even with those classes, if they have them, it seems that they treat anything from keynesianists(?) to anarchists as terrorist commies, because it imposes a threat to their "free market" (even though their retarded sueing culture can be more of a threat to it than actual left-wing policies). Even the american centrists who don't hate socialism as much tend to confuse it with social democracy and keynesian policies.
User avatar #27249 to #27248 - oxan (04/17/2013) [-]
Ha, excellent point. Even a moderate economic policy such as Keynesianism is branded as communist. I really should look into the Red Scares sometime soon.

But as for their classes, I occasionally see posts about 'government class'. Whether or not it's compulsory, I don't know. I wish we had such classes at my school. The closest I had was Study of Society which, while fantastic, wasn't exactly what I was after. It was fun being the only Leftist in the class, though.
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