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#48714 - feelythefeel (10/05/2013) [-]
Wisdom of the wheneverIfeellikeit: The first steps to peace are always made in a march.
User avatar #48745 to #48714 - pebar (10/05/2013) [-]
I disagree
that's a good way to make people hate you and fly planes into your skyscrapers
User avatar #48735 to #48714 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
Or with trade. Just saying.
User avatar #48734 to #48714 - Ruspanic (10/05/2013) [-]
I misread that and thought "what's so special about March?"
User avatar #48736 to #48734 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
User avatar #48718 to #48714 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
I like this one.
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User avatar #48710 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
>Advancing slightly in Aleppo
>Strategic advancement in Idlib countryside
>Homs is being held
>Terrorists of the NB and ISIL still killing eachother despite a second "peace treaty"

The insurgents were doomed from the start.

قد التحدي و ماحدا قدك.avi
User avatar #48715 to #48710 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
So whose winning?
User avatar #48716 to #48715 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
In the past months, the rebels have been fortifying themselves on the fronts after major victories by the Syrian Army forced them to change tactics. While the Syrian Army definitely has the upper hand on paper, the rebels are quite capable of defending their occupied cities/towns. That is why the strategic advancement which I speak of the in the Idlib countryside is so important, because it will enable greater pressure to be applied on Aleppo (which amounts to a stalemate, although the Syrian Army has had recent success). If that city is taken, the war is more or less decided.

Assad's victory is ultimately inevitable, but it will not be quick for the rebels are no longer trying to initiate major attacks; placing the burden of advancing and thus taking casualties on the Syrian Army and its affiliates. So far it is looking favorable, which is my reason to celebrate Assad's glory. Inshallah, Hail Assad and Death to Israel.
User avatar #48719 to #48716 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
Where do you get this info?
User avatar #48724 to #48719 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
This is all pretty open information. I like Arabic news sources, especially.
User avatar #48728 to #48724 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
How do you read sand nigger?
User avatar #48730 to #48728 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
I translate it
User avatar #48731 to #48730 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
Why would you read sand nigger?

Don't you know niggers gunna nig?
User avatar #48687 - undeadwill (10/04/2013) [-]

Okay lets talk about fucking vegans. Fucking god damn vegans.
User avatar #48709 to #48687 - bypest (10/05/2013) [-]
Vegans truly become a problem when they force their children to abide by their ritualistic plant diet which is unhealthy for the development of a child.
User avatar #48723 to #48709 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
Child abuse.
User avatar #48706 to #48687 - akkere (10/04/2013) [-]
My biggest problem with them is the misinformation.
"The China Study" being the biggest example. Vegans seem to reconcile the fact that the one thing standing in their way between having people adopt their (rather unhealthy in the long-term) dieting structure is the known fact that we're omnivores, so they seek to spread out misinformation and skewed studies that show otherwise.

The China Study got a lot of hype, but among the scientific community, it's a complete laughing stock, and even some of the people who took up the dieting inspired by it eventually went back to an omnivorous diet (probably because all-veggies all day err day sucks).
User avatar #48722 to #48706 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
They ignore the fact we need meat to survive
User avatar #48757 to #48722 - akkere (10/05/2013) [-]
More or less. You certainly won't be having a body that's in its prime health under a vegan diet. But they'd prefer having you falsely believe that meat is just an accessory, not a real necessity.
User avatar #48692 to #48687 - jadewest (10/04/2013) [-]
they can be vegan all they want as long as they dont go around shoving it down peoples throats and being overall dicks about people who eat meat or use animal products

also PETA ironically kills a lot of the animals they "save"
User avatar #48721 to #48692 - undeadwill (10/05/2013) [-]
Its basically like any other faith.
User avatar #48688 to #48687 - undeadwill (10/04/2013) [-]
More moralistic value judgements than a communist.
More needlessly authoritarian than fascist
More obsessed with utopia than a progressive
Weaker than hippies

And more hated filled than the most raging liberal its a fucking vegan
User avatar #48691 to #48684 - bypest (10/04/2013) [-]
That means nothing. What we are seeing in the US is a Congressional fight over the budget, not a proxy war. That the Syrian public sector and bureaucracy continues to function is not a surprise.
User avatar #48685 to #48684 - pebar (10/04/2013) [-]
are those governments in $17 trillion in debt?
#48689 to #48685 - valeriya (10/04/2013) [-]
one mans debt is another mans asset
#48682 - pebar (10/04/2013) [-]

Boehner's flash of anger was apparently prompted by a story in The Wall Street Journal, in which an unnamed senior Obama administration official was quoted as saying "we are winning ... it doesn't really matter to us" how long the shutdown lasts.
#48657 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
ITT: Controversy/public disapproval of a political group (fascists, communists, etc etc) or country (USSR, China, Nazi Germany, etc etc) that you can most get behind. I'm not exactly privy to seeing the Nazi logic myself.
ITT: Controversy/public disapproval of a political group (fascists, communists, etc etc) or country (USSR, China, Nazi Germany, etc etc) that you can most get behind. I'm not exactly privy to seeing the Nazi logic myself.
User avatar #48661 to #48657 - jadewest (10/04/2013) [-]
I can get behind not liking Fascisism and Nazi logic equally
User avatar #48662 to #48661 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
By that do you mean you agree with Nazi logic or that you disagree with it as much as fascism? You were a bit vague there.
User avatar #48663 to #48662 - jadewest (10/04/2013) [-]
Disagree with both equally
User avatar #48664 to #48663 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
User avatar #48631 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
im in the mood for soviet music, play some tunes fellow ruskiez.
User avatar #48759 to #48758 - jewishcommunazi (10/05/2013) [-]
Wait, this version of the "Partisan Song" is better, in my opinion.
Partisan Song | Canción de los Partisanos
User avatar #48680 to #48679 - undeadwill (10/04/2013) [-]
Here take some freedom.
User avatar #48647 to #48631 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
C&C Red Alert 3 Theme - Soviet March Not soviet, but soviet themed nonetheless.

КАТЮШA (Katyusha) - Red Army Choir Is nice, calming shit.

Dmitri Shostakovich -  Waltz No. 2 If you're interested in orchestra, this is your shit.
User avatar #48637 to #48634 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
that aint no soviet music
User avatar #48641 to #48637 - pebar (10/04/2013) [-]
well excuuuuuuuse me
User avatar #48642 to #48641 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
yeah you better excuse yourself
User avatar #48643 to #48597 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
who gives a shit, she deserved everything she got.
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User avatar #48613 to #48597 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
CNN is reporting that it was a black womyn with mental issues.
User avatar #48619 to #48613 - eight (10/03/2013) [-]
No doubt on SSRI drugs.
User avatar #48623 to #48621 - eight (10/04/2013) [-]
That depends on your reasoning of why I am retarded.

Do you deny the connection between extreme violent occurrences and people taking SSRI's?

User avatar #48624 to #48623 - pebar (10/04/2013) [-]
Over 10% of the population takes SSRIs...
User avatar #48625 to #48624 - eight (10/04/2013) [-]
And that is a problem. Since the advent of SSRI medications, there has been a surge in mass killings. And the numbers continue to rise as more people take them.

User avatar #48626 to #48625 - pebar (10/04/2013) [-]
There'd be more mass killings if people weren't on them because the people who take them are usually depressed. I'm not denying that in very rare circumstances there can be some side effects but denying the benefit the provide is foolish.
User avatar #48628 to #48626 - bypest (10/04/2013) [-]
Do you concede that the fairly recent epidemic of mass-shootings correlates well with the surge of "anti-depressant" use amongst Americans, so as not to simply be a coincidence?

I have long thought of killing myself, for instance, but would never kill others. Unless, of course, Dr. Finkelstein in the clinic decides to put me on meds, destroying my humor and sense of livelihood. Anti-Depressants turn you into a zombie. And this, for some people, is enough for their radical side to convince them into massacring children like the autist Adam Lanza. Adam Lanza, if not heavily dosed with meds, would have just been a normal autist. I am not a scientist but can say that there is something going on.

Mass-shootings took off in the 1990s, when we say the pharmaceutical industry take off as well.
User avatar #48627 to #48626 - eight (10/04/2013) [-]
I'm sure there is some benefit.

But the way they are expanding their definitions of mental illness is becoming more and more ridiculous. Just about anything constitutes the quick fix pill.

10% is a bit high if those numbers are true. Do all of them truly need to be on it, or are pharmaceutical companies more interested in making money.

More people on these drugs that can have terrible, devastating side effects, will result in more ticking time bombs endangering our friends and family.

Anyways, I will be interested in the woman's toxicology report.
User avatar #48615 to #48613 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
Congressman Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, has told CNN that the female suspect, who is thought now to be a 34-year-old African American from Stamford, Conn., appeared to have a history of mental health issues.

I was right in a matter of ten minutes.
User avatar #48617 to #48616 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
It looks like they just took down her picture, or is it just me?

You need to login to view this link
User avatar #48612 to #48597 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
A high-on-drugs black mammy? The feds are not saying as of a press conference now. Either way, probably high.

I bet the internet is filled with edgy libertarian teens blaming the Police just like with the dog shooting a while ago. Yeah, let's just let ferocious dogs and wild wymyn run around causing havoc.
#48604 to #48597 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Well time to ban assualt cars, and get everywhere by trams and trains.
User avatar #48607 to #48604 - CapnInterwebz (10/03/2013) [-]
How far away are we from banning assault thoughts and completing the "Big Brother" transformation?
User avatar #48620 to #48607 - undeadwill (10/04/2013) [-]
I tell people it starts with guns then the internet.
User avatar #48618 to #48607 - akkere (10/03/2013) [-]
Not close enough if you're still going around thinking like that.

Just keep swallowing those happy pills. No rights, only dreams.
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User avatar #48579 - feelythefeel (10/03/2013) [-]
КАТЮШA (Katyusha) - Red Army Choir Oh look, more good Russian music. Such surprise, many sudden.
User avatar #48629 to #48579 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
ohh man thats a famous russian song, too bad you have no idea what he is saying foolish american.
User avatar #48632 to #48629 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
Meh, didn't stop me from enjoying music of other languages. I can enjoy music purely because it sounds good, it's a thing a well rounded person can do sometimes. I did do some research though, it's about a woman who misses her husband because he's serving in the military, right?.

Also, I resent that last part. I'm by no means an American.
User avatar #48633 to #48632 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
pretty much, she sends a letter to him on the far side border and she wants him to protect his country as she protects his love for him in hopes he can come back and live an ordinary life with this ordinary girl.
User avatar #48635 to #48633 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
Very touching, it seems. Regarding that "Foolish American" comment, do you think any differently about Canadians? Or is the term "American" more of a blanket term?
User avatar #48636 to #48635 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
i was making a joke, i live in canada myself.
User avatar #48638 to #48636 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
I can't imagine better irony if you live in Quebec.
User avatar #48639 to #48638 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
nah i live in ontario
User avatar #48640 to #48639 - feelythefeel (10/04/2013) [-]
BCfag here. We've got jobs, too bad it doesn't mean anything because of that whole "Having no money" thing.
User avatar #48602 to #48579 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
Mongrel westerns can't appreciate Slavic tunes to the full degree of a Slav.

♫ Russian Imperial Army Song-Vzveytes' Sokoly, Orlami♪
"We served faithfully to Russian Tzars" (a cappella) - Song of the SEMENOVSKY LIFE GUARD REGIMENT
степь  прошитая  пулями  белогвардейский  романс

There is only one Tzar and one Orthodox faith
User avatar #48630 to #48602 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
jesus christ bypest, if your gonna play russian music dont play that tzar crap.
User avatar #48671 to #48630 - bypest (10/04/2013) [-]
Much of the Bolshevik music was stolen from Tzarist tunes.
#48605 to #48602 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Please don't tell me you're about to argue in defence of Tsarism.
User avatar #48611 to #48605 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
Russia does have an autocratic culture, you have admitted as such. If Nicholas II had not been so short sighted, Eastern Europe and Western Europe would be living under similar standards.
User avatar #48603 to #48602 - feelythefeel (10/03/2013) [-]
Tzar is fag.
User avatar #48606 to #48603 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
The divine descents of Caesar were strong, racially pure men who understood the joo and his ways.
User avatar #48675 to #48606 - lulzforhiroshima (10/04/2013) [-]
yeah they slaughtered them by the thousands. Are you okay with that?
User avatar #48690 to #48675 - bypest (10/04/2013) [-]
User avatar #48608 to #48606 - bypest (10/03/2013) [-]
User avatar #48610 to #48608 - feelythefeel (10/03/2013) [-]
Tzar is descendant of fag.
#48580 to #48579 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Dmitri Shostakovich -  Waltz No. 2 Anything Shostakovich.
User avatar #48571 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
Milton Friedman Crushes Man's 3 Questions like Dixie Cups This guy...
User avatar #48575 to #48571 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
Milton Friedman Sets Liberal Straight On "Too Many Millionaires".wmv I think I'm becoming more and more libertarian
User avatar #48622 to #48575 - undeadwill (10/04/2013) [-]
I love this man.
#48576 to #48575 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
User avatar #48577 to #48576 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
Do not group me in with those left-wing hypocrites who don't give a damn about private property rights.
Liberals in America are not liberals; they're social democrats.
#48578 to #48577 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
No you're a liberal, by the standards of the rest of the world, socially liberal, economically liberal, politically... Well I've come across some people advocating liberal (libertarian to you backwards americans.) dictatorships in order to preserve liberalism, never understood that, we'll let them choose everything but who rules them.
User avatar #48581 to #48578 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
To an extent, I understand that because people are often very quick to give up their rights and force people who disagree to give of theirs too. However, overall I disagree because 1) if the population don't understand why it is good, they'll never accept it, and 2) dictatorships often evolve into large governments which the bourgeoisie take advantage of
#48583 to #48581 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Freedom is only ever freedom for the bourgeois, you do realize that without a change of economic ruling class what you have going on now (Large corporate bodies, government acting against the will of the people, curtailing "rights" is all because it suits them), will inevitably happen, free market capitalism will degenerate into corporatism no matter what you do, the institution of government is not your god damn enemy you have never had control over it no matter how much you like to think you do, it's just a puppet show.
User avatar #48586 to #48583 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
The bourgeoisie are too busy fighting among themselves to be a problem in a libertarian society. Corporatism exists because government uses threats and coercion to force the people to conform to the will of the corporations. Under a small libertarian government, the people could just tell the bourgeoisie to go fuck themselves because they have no legitimate power. Capitalism is the system of voluntary exchange and the only purpose of a libertarian government is to make sure it stays voluntary.
#48588 to #48586 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Power doesn't have to be accepted for it to exist and influence people and governments it just has to be there, I don't have to accept the power oligarchs have over my country for it to exist, Corporatism exists because bourgeois want immunity and the state who is under their control grants them such in order to protect them and allow them to do as they please you try telling them to go fuck themselves and see where it gets you so long as they control the mop they have massive influence over your government and your life, you're going to need to shoot down more then just your government if you ever want things to change.
User avatar #48589 to #48588 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
So don't give them immunity. Problem solved.
#48590 to #48589 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Good luck with they'd still control the mop and by controling the mop they will continue to have their influence over your government, your economy and you, sure you'll have a temporary reduction if you over throw your government they just adapt but in time it'll degenerate again, it's like taking nsaids for a cold it only gets rid of the symptoms it doesn't get rid of the cold.
User avatar #48591 to #48590 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
And your solution to getting rid of the cold is to get pneumonia instead.
You can't overthrow the bourgeoisie unless you have big government on your side and you can't have big government without the bourgeoisie taking it over. It seems we're in a bit of a pickle.
#48594 to #48591 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Big government (Semi unfamiliar with this term) =/= Government controlled by bourgeois, follow the guide.

Step 1; Acquire party
Step 2; Acquire firearms and support (Especially from army)
Step 3; Stage revolution remove bourgeois and current government (Firing line, seizures of property etc)
Step 4; Establish new government that controls the mop and represents the people.
Step 5; ???
Step 6; Congratulations you've cured your cold, but you can still get a cold again because other people (countries) still have colds.
User avatar #48595 to #48594 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
You cured your cold by removing your lungs.

By doing what you just said you remove any incentives to try to succeed because people know your mob rule will just take the fruits of their hard labor away from them. Sure there won't be any bourgeoisie anymore, but now people won't try to join them. It is the people who attempt to join the bourgeoisie who build economies.
#48598 to #48595 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
You're thinking of it wrong, you're thinking of it like a ladder that you can go up and down on, well congratulations that's what the bourgeois want you to think it's better to think of it as a sheer cliff you can try run up it but you'll fall a million and one times before you get close, you can get some equipment and try climb it but you'll probably fall and I've still got my lungs clear as ever now.

Nobody loses the fruits of their own labour, you'd be getting more because now you* own the mop and aren't paying to use it and you'll receive the full value of your labor since you've removed the capitalist from the equation, any profits go to you*. Now let's take a look at a country post revolution, let's take the USSR, you're saying that without bourgeois and people trying to become bourgeois it is impossible to build an economy, well I suppose the rapid industrialization under Stalin's command economies didn't rapidly grow the USSR's production possibilities and economy, the state is capable of growing an economy hell it can force it if you do it right, people don't have to be aiming to join the bourgeois to play a part in building/expanding an economy, they just have to be working and have the right direction, motives; communism, "patriotism", hell personal benefit, personal reasons I find are the best motives for anything.

*Your collective and you by living in said collective.
User avatar #48599 to #48598 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
and what if a person chooses not to work?
#48600 to #48599 - valeriya (10/03/2013) [-]
Focusing on the word choose (As opposed to they're unable to) no difference to what'd happen in capitalism really. Social parasites aren't tolerated, if you do not contribute do not expect me to put bread on your table, it's a lumpen attitude.
User avatar #48609 to #48600 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
So if a person refuses to work for the bourgeoisie, they don't get a paycheck and thus can't put food on the table.
If a person refuses to work under a socialized system, they get ostracized and can't put food on the table.

I see absolutely no difference in outcome. In capitalism, a person can sell their labor for a wage that a market determines. The owner of capital can combine that labor with the capital THAT THEY OWN and using it to produce goods and services. Under capitalism, there is nothing stopping a worker from saving up their wages and buying their own capital and in turn buying someone else's labor to produce goods and turn a profit.

Under socialism, all capital is public. If you want to use your labor to create goods equal to the value of their labor, with no excess labor going to anyone and thus the worker is not "exploited" as Marx would say. There is a small problem with this. If the worker's job is to create more capital that people can use, then the capital becomes socialized and they don't get to keep their goods and thus their labor is exploited. In practice, people's jobs are specialized so if it's a person's job to fry fish, then they will only fry fish. If it's a person's job to create factory materials, then it is their job to be exploited. But since they still have access to the goods and services other people produce, then the exploitation is still spread out over a large number. If there is ever any rapid expansion however, that net exploitation will increase for everybody because they will not be allowed to keep the full product of their labor.

So how is it any different at all from the "exploitation" of the bourgeoisie?
#48683 to #48609 - valeriya (10/04/2013) [-]
30 minutes let's do this, "So if a person refuses to work for the bourgeoisie, they don't get a paycheck and thus can't put food on the table." It's pretty much the same as this, we're not going to prevent you from working, why on earth would we do that, we WANT you to contribute. (Hence why in the USSR there were massive amounts of child care facilities, we wanted women to be able to have children and still work).

You know after reading it through it's somewhat correct, you aren't exploited as marx would put it because you as a member of the community would benefit from your "exploitation", when you're creating let's take your example of capital making capital, you benefit from that because you would still own the factory made no one takes the capital away from the community, the amount you can produce expands, which would mean you would have access to more consumer goods. I think that covers it.
User avatar #48536 - thesoulless ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
So, /polotics/, will the US resolve their budget problems before they hit the debt ceiling this month?
User avatar #48563 to #48536 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
hope not
we could use some more budget cuts
User avatar #48572 to #48563 - akkere (10/03/2013) [-]
... You are aware that the US finance reaching the debt ceiling would lead to a disastrous outcome that amounts to more than just "some budget cuts"?
It's not something you generally want to hope would happen.
User avatar #48693 to #48572 - rageisfunny (10/04/2013) [-]
The longer we wait to address the debt and deficit, the more its going to hurt.
User avatar #48700 to #48693 - akkere (10/04/2013) [-]
And it should be addressed, but hoping for the debt ceiling to reach collision isn't really something that you want to do.
The fact is, if the people we've got in the seats can't be assed to agree to something well-minded enough to either cut or put in practice to help make amendments to the economic debt rise - usually because they're in the pockets of corporations and subsidies via lobbying and sometimes even being stock investors - do you really want them to be holding the scalpel when the debt starts to keel over and "drastic measures" have to be made?
User avatar #48701 to #48700 - rageisfunny (10/04/2013) [-]
I'm not saying its a great way to address the debt crisis, but it is one effective way. Effective meaning it would cut spending and get us back on track.
User avatar #48702 to #48701 - akkere (10/04/2013) [-]
And what makes you certain they'd make the right cuts? They're all pretty hesitant to take the knife to anything regarding military - and god knows that just eats away at most of our budget - and the social programs - despite some being abused - are still crucial enough that it's a necessity to help citizens in legitimate need.
And then there's the other side where taxes need to be raised to start cleansing that debt - and nobody ever wants to do that.
User avatar #48711 to #48702 - rageisfunny (10/05/2013) [-]
I thought the cuts were automatic, in both domestic and defense.

The military is one of the things the federal government is supposed to be spending money on. Welfare, not so concrete. In 2012 military was about 22% according to this site. www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_pie While healthcare/welfare is 36%.

How is raising taxes going to fix the deficit/budget? As in the classic "Make the rich people pay their fair share"?
User avatar #48712 to #48711 - akkere (10/05/2013) [-]
Nothing's "automatic". The Treasury usually resorts to extreme measures that range everywhere from having investments in federal employees retirement funds being suspended (real nice to have timed with this shutdown) to exchanging securities held by the Federal Finance bank. The cuts and other economic decisions is also made (supposedly) by the Executive branch. Either way, it'd be a total fiasco.

And how else do you think? I wasn't referring to any particular group having more taxes than the other, but we are going to need to boost revenue to cover costs that can't simply be cut as well as ease the hurt that occurs with the debt ceiling's impact.
User avatar #48573 to #48572 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
Withdrawal hurts but it's usually better in the long run if you don't die from it.
It would be so much better if we could cut spending gradually but congress has shown a complete inability to do that.
User avatar #48574 to #48573 - akkere (10/03/2013) [-]
If they ended up cutting spending, they probably wouldn't even touch the areas that need to be cut, like military spending. We would just end up having an over-drawn debacle about what social programs would end up being cut, whose public funded salaries would be cut, and how high should taxes be raised.
User avatar #48564 to #48563 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
User avatar #48517 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I have to write a story story for class that has atleast 2000 words in it. Any ideas fj?
User avatar #48537 to #48517 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
If you wanted to be creative about it you could write it as a diary. That allows you to make it very personal, very quickly, gives you a bonus for being stylised, and allows you to span large periods of time without the need to expend a large number of words.
User avatar #48539 to #48537 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Nah. I've never liked that style.
User avatar #48541 to #48539 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
Me either but it works. It'd help to know what course this assignment is for and what level of education it's being graded
User avatar #48543 to #48541 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
College, intro to prose.
User avatar #48546 to #48543 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
Intro, huh?

Suppose it comes with the time of year. Right, my advice to you is to not over-step your boundaries. Your lecturer is probably setting this assignment to gauge not only your writing skill but your writing preferences and seeing how far up your own arse your head is. That's often the reason why these assignments are set. It's either that or he's going to have you doing something with it later.

Point is, don't be boring, don't be clichéd or convoluted. Just write something that'll hold his interest and give him a good exhibition of your skills, possibly of your sense of humour as well.

Honestly I'm surprised that you're this far into the term without already having work of this calibre set for you. I'd have expected this in the second week of term, if not the first.

Either way, that's my suggestion. Probe your mind for something you like to write about that will fit into 2000 words that won't bore him, won't make you look too pretentious or too sappy and just give him an idea of who you are a person are and how you need to improve.

This would not really be shallow work by any means but paradise lost this ain't.
User avatar #48547 to #48546 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I could write a horror like I use
User avatar #48550 to #48547 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
Horror is good. It is slow, subtle and brooding. It's just fitting it into 2500 words that matters. (The lecturer won't have time to read too much so for simple assignments always set yourself a maximum, often the minimum + 1/4 or 1/2.
User avatar #48552 to #48550 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I'm great with zombies.
User avatar #48556 to #48552 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
If you think you can make them work and adequately build up the atmosphere necessary for zombies, go for it. I'd say focus on a small number of zombies like one/two tops to keep the intimacy of it all and contain it in the set parameters.

Fast zombies aren't really the fare of horror though. They're more about action and thriller kind of stuff. They're great for sudden jump-scares but because they run so quickly it often leaves the characters with no viable means of escape other than killing the zombies. Unless you can find an environment that would allow the character to out-smart the zombie(s) constantly, you'd have trouble with it. Also you need to remember the word-count.

Slow zombies are the best kind for horror. They're lingering, lurking and always following you. Again though, with zombies comes a lot of worldbuilding that you probably won't have the space for.
User avatar #48558 to #48556 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Fast zombies have great shock value while the description process is great way of leaving the viewer creeped out. I use zombies as shock, and environment for fear, and for creepy factor I always go into great detail in describing their eyes.
User avatar #48561 to #48558 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
Personally I'm more into their posture and generally how they're standing. I've always preferred the tank zombie to the glass cannon. Tanks are like the Terminator. They're slow and chase you as long as they know where you are and when they finally catch you it's so satisfying because of the build-up gone into it.
User avatar #48551 to #48550 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
But again the subject.
User avatar #48553 to #48551 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]

Slashers are too indiscriminate and work better in film than on paper.
Zombies are too slow to be contained adequately in a 2000 - 3000 work story.
Vampires are the fare of long, brooding stories with deep characters and you've not got that luxury.

Haunting allows for a lot of eerie visuals and you really get to exercise your reader's imagination. Have the character stumble home drunk or miserable, maybe they did a hit and run at some point and now the spirit's back to get it's revenge. Indian burial ground. Standard stuff.

Alternatively you can always go Slenderman. He's a creepy, supernatural stalker whose key fear dynamic is the paranoia of being watched. Just don't go on about the tentacles on his back, leave them out. They're a great visual tool but you'll want to go for the uncanny valley effect. Something that's almost human is much scarier than any monster.
User avatar #48555 to #48553 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I'll try a haunting.

I prefer that I use a demon like spirit needs little explanation and yet provides a beast that is inhuman in that it can not be bought or reasoned with.
User avatar #48557 to #48555 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
I didn't think of that, that's a good idea. I'd say avoid the "can't be reasoned with" thing because it's always more tense when there's a slim chance to escape than when there's no chance. Drama's all about what's going to happen next and the more paths you leave open for the character to take the harder it will be for the audience to guess where the story is going and the stronger their interest (and therefore their investment) in it will be.

Either way, daemons are a horror classic. Just gotta set up a motive for them and set them loose on some poor, unsuspecting but deserving soul. If it's the fault of the character that the threat is after them it's usually more interesting for the reader. It creates a connection between monster and victim. After all, watching someone totally underserving getting menaced by a monster is kind of grim storytelling.
User avatar #48559 to #48557 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Most likely paranormal route. With elements of other films in my writing.
User avatar #48554 to #48553 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Zombies are flexible they can be fast or slow.
User avatar #48534 to #48517 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
It's worthlessly simplistic and you're not going to be changing anyones lives with it but it's 2000 words for fuck's sake, most decent stories wouldn't have chapters that short.

If you really want to go and do something deep then write something about a Nun or a monk. Someone overcoming adversity or helping people and dropping in a little social commentary.

Maybe take some inspiration from Grand Theft Auto and have some gang-bangers get caught in a shootout where they all die.

Story really becomes a relative term when the word count is that low. What you're looking for is closer to a sketch than a story.
User avatar #48528 to #48517 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
2000 words is child's play. Honestly it should be difficult for you to write something that short. But for the sake of it, write a story about a guy trying to complete a menial task but keeps getting either obstructed or distracted by increasingly bizarre circumstances.

Just don't use the word 'atleast' since it's not a word. Remember to choose your next words wisely, for they may be your last.
User avatar #48535 to #48528 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Fuckity fuck fucked Brit. You win this time but know you have made a great and wicked enemy whose tongue has never tasted the word mercy. Oh yes you chose your words wisely and you may have been clever but on this day you made signed a blood pact that can never be unbroken so long as either of us draw breath I will end the reality you know as your existence. All that you have come to love will be broken and cast out into the darkness where the hellish fiend born of my plot will feast upon it. I chose my words wisely you should have done the same.

Also thanks for the advice and welcome to the political board. However I prefer a tad bit more dept in my work.
User avatar #48540 to #48535 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
Dude, I think you need to chill out with the "Intense rivalry" stuff. You can spit as many words as you like at people and do it in whatever up-tight dialect you want but at the end of the day it's all just pretence.

"Brevity is the soul of wit." - William Shakespeare.

Just in case you don't know what that means it means don't waste time. Just convey your meaning as simply and as quickly as possible. When you're threatening rivalry and violence it pays to be short, sharp and to the point. A whip is an elaborate, compelling and elegant tool but it's never going to have the same threat-factor as a good dagger.
User avatar #48542 to #48540 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
"Rivalry intensifies"
#48544 to #48542 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
And in two words you not only make me giggle but convey all the feelings and thoughts that would have been spilled in an A4 monologue.

Well done.
User avatar #48545 to #48544 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I just like to write and anger. So I combine the two often for no reason at all
User avatar #48548 to #48545 - snowshark (10/03/2013) [-]
The key to writing anger is the understanding of not so much what to say, but what not to say. You can throw all the words you have onto the page but nothing's going to be more powerful than silence. A subtle tightening of the first tells the audience just as much as a war-cry and a long stare-down, with the protagonist analysing the minutia of the antagonist not only paints the picture but it sets the audience's mind running, letting them be the ones to imagine what the main character is thinking.

Anyway, you're at college level so I imagine all of this is old news to you by this point.
User avatar #48549 to #48548 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
I know.

The angry rant was meant to be funny. I have a weird sense of humor.
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User avatar #48524 to #48517 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Its due next week btw so any help would be nice.
User avatar #48512 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]

Alot of anti gun folks in the comments. Have fun~
User avatar #48520 to #48512 - jadewest (10/03/2013) [-]
muh massacres
muh shootings
muh great britain
muh moar gun laws

jesus christ anti gun people piss me off
User avatar #48522 to #48520 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
They should be shot.
User avatar #48525 to #48522 - jadewest (10/03/2013) [-]
I live in a strict anti gun country
and theres still people who want more guns banned
User avatar #48526 to #48525 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Which one?
User avatar #48527 to #48526 - jadewest (10/03/2013) [-]
they went full strict during the 90's after one guy over a few days just killed a buncha people
User avatar #48530 to #48527 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
link to crime?
User avatar #48516 to #48514 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Fucking anti gun faggots.
#48518 to #48516 - rokkarokkaali (10/03/2013) [-]
roliga is my personal hero
here's a pic of him btw
User avatar #48521 to #48518 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
>Israeli civi gas mask.

>Get on my lvl noob.
User avatar #48523 to #48521 - rokkarokkaali (10/03/2013) [-]
He's drinking Corona doe. Hardcore drinking up in here.
User avatar #48529 to #48523 - undeadwill (10/03/2013) [-]
Civilian gas mask.

He is suffocating in that mask which is why there is no filter.
User avatar #48532 to #48529 - rokkarokkaali (10/03/2013) [-]
Actually he didn't want to show his face.
#48490 - kokaines (10/02/2013) [-]
It just got me
What country is considered the new evil now?

Russia is just ruined
US just owes money
China is just production
Germany is just the edgy kid that's just there
France is France
Britain has been a good guy for a while
Israel is just bombing them selves
Middle east is just on fire from everyone else in the world
Greece is shit
Mexico shouldn't be on this list
Cuba is just not having anything to do with anyone anymore
North Korea is just plain stupid
South Korea isn't doing anything bad to anyone
Japan is going through a lot of shit, but acts just like it's fine
South Africa is a cool new guy
Nordic countries are just producing oil
Australia isn't an independent colony
India has their own problems
Spain, which nobody has heard from since forever
#48566 to #48490 - turdofdoom (10/03/2013) [-]
i see usa as the evil ones
making war all the times
User avatar #48601 to #48566 - kokaines (10/03/2013) [-]
omg ur da funah cuz iz abot a unpop apinon dat rely has no sens
#48649 to #48601 - turdofdoom (10/04/2013) [-]
say that to al quaida that usa supports
User avatar #48650 to #48649 - kokaines (10/04/2013) [-]
cuz tots yo
User avatar #48515 to #48490 - akkere (10/03/2013) [-]
In all seriousness, I don't think one can really pinpoint a single major evil, but rather a pool of several evils.
China's not necessarily "evil" but they've been making some small moves here and there that could be considered alarming. One small example being their desire to take advantage of the downed stealth helicopter that was left in Pakistan after the operation to intercept Osama Bin Laden. A more recent example being the harboring of Edward Snowden, only the act itself wasn't evil, but the question as to whether or not they might have some pretty critical intelligence on our own intelligence networking and NSA that goes beyond the basic surveillance antics we've been given thus far.

North Korea isn't really a major threat but it's not one that should be ignored. They've still got a pretty fierce military in terms of man power, and if they actually knew what the hell they were doing, they could very well become a problem.

Russia's influence extends pretty far out, and it kind of shows when Putin himself stepped up and told Obama straight out not to arm the rebels, claiming he'd respond by arming the Syrian government themselves. Vladimir Putin isn't exactly the honest man that much of the posts jerking him off put him off to be, either.

Mexico's pretty in deep with a number of criminal cartels, so much so I'm pretty sure the Mexican government is pretty much completely bought out, and I think I can recall articles stipulating that some of the police forces around the border have even helped some narcotics reach it over to the States. Not a major government threat, but not a threat that should be ignored.

As far as the Arab vs. Jew conflict goes, those are probably the two bigger wigs in the "evil department", where you've got the oil king pins on one side, and the bankers on the other. But I'll stop there to avoid the risk of having the remote mention of Jews devolve into a /pol/ attack.
User avatar #48519 to #48515 - akkere (10/03/2013) [-]
Also before any misconceptions get thrown around - I'd like to generically point out that "evil" is relative. I'm just pointing out some threats that might not only affect the US but also the world in general should they be unchecked (and I've only barely scratched the surface).
User avatar #48506 to #48490 - rokkarokkaali (10/03/2013) [-]
Can we shit on a country in South America?
Maybe those snarky brazilians for acting like cunts on online games.
User avatar #48510 to #48506 - kokaines (10/03/2013) [-]
Maybe we should on Mexico, for being the most obese country in the world
User avatar #48511 to #48510 - rokkarokkaali (10/03/2013) [-]
Mexicans get enough shit already. With the whole execution shit and drugs. Why not shit on Argentina?
User avatar #48499 to #48490 - Ruspanic (10/02/2013) [-]
Considered evil by whom?
Our biggest adversaries in international arena are the Russians and the Chinese, but they're not really enemies. Our principal enemies that are actually potentially hostile threats are Iran and North Korea, but there's nothing like the Cold-War-era bipolar system. The US is much stronger than both of those countries. Maybe Islamic extremism as a whole - it's not a country, but you can draw parallels between it and Communism during the Cold War.
User avatar #48502 to #48499 - kokaines (10/02/2013) [-]
But considered evil by popular opinion, or something like that
User avatar #48504 to #48502 - Ruspanic (10/02/2013) [-]
North Korea and Iran are pretty uncontroversial answers, especially North Korea. Some people include Russia because it is still pretty influential internationally, especially in the Middle East.
A lot of people will tell you Israel is despicably evil, but it's not an adversary to the West so it's not "the new evil" in the way the Soviet Union once was, or Nazi Germany.
User avatar #48501 to #48499 - kokaines (10/02/2013) [-]
Makes sense
User avatar #48498 to #48490 - bypest (10/02/2013) [-]
>good guy

I'm offended. They went from bloody warmongers, to moral warmongers, to being a joke. But don't let this fool you because they are an evil in reserve and should be destroyed.

User avatar #48495 to #48490 - feelythefeel (10/02/2013) [-]
Canada what? Are we really that un-noteworthy?
User avatar #48500 to #48495 - mykoira (10/02/2013) [-]
canada is just canada. it's too good to even get on that list
User avatar #48503 to #48500 - feelythefeel (10/02/2013) [-]
Too good to be on a list of good things?

If you couldn't tell, I'm commenting that he included Canada, but said nothing about it.
User avatar #48491 to #48490 - jadewest (10/02/2013) [-]
Obviously its Australia, those bastards are developing kangaroos for warfare
User avatar #48493 to #48491 - kokaines (10/02/2013) [-]
User avatar #48487 - lulzforhiroshima (10/02/2013) [-]
Anyone seen Rules of Engagement and want to debate the ethics of it?
User avatar #48584 to #48484 - feelythefeel (10/03/2013) [-]
Is it just me or is the link gone?
User avatar #48587 to #48584 - pebar (10/03/2013) [-]
looks like it's gone... weird
#48567 to #48484 - turdofdoom (10/03/2013) [-]
obama should loose his price that fucker.
putin ftw :3
User avatar #48513 to #48484 - takamori (10/03/2013) [-]
Yeah, no.
User avatar #48489 to #48484 - akkere (10/02/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure the Nobel Peace Prize committee just cuts the head off a chicken and has it walk through a floor of unlikely names.
Everyone from Obama, to Kissinger, to even Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler were nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize (the former two being actual recipients, if you didn't already know).
User avatar #48488 to #48484 - bypest (10/02/2013) [-]
If Obama received one before he ever did anything, Putin deserves one too. What can you cite to take it away from him? Killing goat-herders with RPGs in the Caucasus?

But Nobel Peace prizes have generally been for Jews and by Jews. Perhaps we will see Paul Wolfowitz finally be honored for all he has done. What kind of channels has he been funneling money into lately?
#48486 to #48484 - undeadwill (10/02/2013) [-]
Hmm um Yeah? No.
Hmm um Yeah? No.
#48483 - valeriya (10/02/2013) [-]

Atleast they're yet to be shot like the American dogs, It's almost annoying though 2 years down the line and Libya has yet to sort itself out, the tribal groups spend half their time shooting at each other, most "law and order" is carried out my militias some with and some without state sanction deposed a perfectly good government which brought prosperity and safety to the people liberty from western imperialists granted at the same time some of their actions invited them, all in the name of "freedom", god damn it Libyans.
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