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User avatar #59160 - byposted (03/04/2014) [-]
Obongo has apparently spoken to Putin about the option of allowing international forces entry into "Ukraine," so as to safeguard the Russian population.

Of course, the US's position in mediating conflict as such was undermined in Lebanon.
User avatar #59164 to #59158 - Shiny (03/04/2014) [-]
Everyone that isn't conniving and brutal is feckless to an Israeli politician.
User avatar #59149 - garymotherfingoak (03/03/2014) [-]

I don't know what's more stupid, the fact that CBS cares more about Obama's credibility as they put it, simply for showing disapproval towards russia (albeit he has had a bit of an empty threat streak), than they do about an entire country being taken over, or the comments section of the article.
User avatar #59161 to #59149 - byposted (03/04/2014) [-]
To be fair, Obama is not particularly intimidating. After his empty speech on the issue of Greater Russia last week, he went to none other than a fundraiser.
User avatar #59152 to #59149 - schnizel (03/03/2014) [-]
Fuck NC
User avatar #59153 to #59152 - garymotherfingoak (03/03/2014) [-]
why the spoiler
User avatar #59154 to #59153 - schnizel (03/03/2014) [-]
didnt want to spoil it
User avatar #59155 to #59154 - garymotherfingoak (03/03/2014) [-]
Whats there to spoil besides a 2 word opinion :/
User avatar #59146 - eight (03/03/2014) [-]
A day after Ukraine's interim prime minister called Russia's military intervention "a declaration of war," a Russian fleet has reportedly issued an ultimatum to Ukrainian forces in Crimea: Surrender or "face storm."

Somebody have a joker gif of him saying "And here we go.."
User avatar #59159 to #59146 - byposted (03/04/2014) [-]
Khokhols have no agency in the Crimea. The real question is Kharkov.
User avatar #59144 - feelythefeel (03/03/2014) [-]
Guile's Theme Goes with Everything: Space Jam AND Fresh Prince ITT: Anthems for the new world order.
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User avatar #59151 to #59141 - garymotherfingoak (03/03/2014) [-]
bitch is gonna get grounded into the ground
User avatar #59139 - huntergriff ONLINE (03/03/2014) [-]
so...what's going on in ukraine now? as of yesterday, i mean...or hell even as of last night?
#59126 - anonymous (03/03/2014) [-]
If you assume it only refers to the ilk that write for Fox or Reason, this is depressingly true.
User avatar #59129 to #59126 - undeadwill ONLINE (03/03/2014) [-]
Damn son not even I shit post that hard.
User avatar #59138 to #59129 - schnizel (03/03/2014) [-]
gib skype name plox
#59125 - anonymous (03/03/2014) [-]
i'm someone who doesn't know shit about politics, and this ukraine and russia shit has me asking, is there an inevitable war between russia and the US? I mean, it's only if Obama is stupid with his foreign policy we're fucked , but you guys know a lot more than me, so what do you think?
User avatar #59147 to #59125 - smallwood (03/03/2014) [-]
War with the new born Ukraine goverment and Russia over Crimea will mostlikely end after months of fighting, the outcome will mostlikely be that Russia continue to occupy Crimea. (simmular to N.Ireland)

Speaking of the US i doubt they will ever get involved unless one of the factions does something that really pisses the UN off. Witch even if they did would most likely never see the light of day due to Russias strict policy on frontline journalism
Keep in mind that the US had stronger ties with Georgia and still didn't intervine in 2008 when they whent to war with Russia.
User avatar #59128 to #59125 - pebar (03/03/2014) [-]
Nothing is likely to happen because from what I've heard, the Ukrainians are siding with Russia.
User avatar #59130 to #59128 - undeadwill ONLINE (03/03/2014) [-]
One half are. I say let Europe handle it.
User avatar #59120 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
Update: Russia has complete control of Crimea.
User avatar #59124 to #59120 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
There were unconfirmed explosions heard within the base.
User avatar #59140 to #59124 - smallwood (03/03/2014) [-]
Witch one?
User avatar #59095 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
It's looking like the forces of Crimea will just join Russia. Is Russia looking to take over the Ukraine entirely or just that small region? Hopefully this can end without bloodshed.
User avatar #59111 to #59095 - teoragnar (03/02/2014) [-]
I don't think it's Putin intention to annex the Crimea or the Ukraine, because it would definitely mean war. I see it more as a Russian police action to strength its hegemony over the Ukraine.
User avatar #59098 to #59095 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
What I find interesting is that Crimea protesters were asking Russia to aid it at gaining independence. If it is independence they want, they could do so democratically...such as the way Quebec in Canada has tried, and Scotland is with Britain.
#59102 to #59098 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
It's not going to happen, in the past the Crimea elected a candidate as president who ran on a pro-seperatist pro-russian platform the Ukrainian central government responded by revoking Crimeas right to have a seperate president from Ukraine and chipping away at their political autonomy they're simply reaping what they sowed here. The Ukrainian government isn't very democratic with regards to the oblasts and the citizenry within them, they only view them as part of Ukraine not places within their own rights.
User avatar #59099 to #59098 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
Apparently the Ukraine is under the impression that Putin put those protesters there.
#59112 to #59099 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
The ukraine.... It's just Ukraine. For now at least.
The ukraine.... It's just Ukraine. For now at least.
User avatar #59115 to #59112 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
'Apparently, Ukraine'

Just sounds weird to me.
User avatar #59101 to #59099 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
Even more reason to hold a democratic referendum, allowing only citizens with an address in Crimea to vote for whether or not they should be allowed independence.

There are so many historical diplomatic and democratic precedents they can follow, hell they could have observers from Canada, Britain, and other countries with a history of independence movements come.
User avatar #59104 to #59101 - eight (03/02/2014) [-]
That is certainly a more peaceful option and the wiser route, which makes me think Russia has a different agenda.
User avatar #59107 to #59104 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
I'm not ruling out an ulterior motive on Russia's part.
#59103 to #59101 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
Central government won't allow it because they won't win, I think it's 65% Russian ethnic Russian. with Minority tatars and Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians in the crimea might as well be Russian.
User avatar #59106 to #59103 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
In Québec the vast majority of people are of french decent and are different from the rest of Canada. Not being able to win is no excuse for not allowing it to happen democratically.

Canada is a great example Ukraine and Crimea can follow.
#59108 to #59106 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
But they won't, you've got to understand this isn't the west, this is Ukraine, the way things are done here are Ukrainian, another oblast zaktarpittia (Far western Ukraine) held a referendum for the status of Autonomous region the majority voted in favor, want to know what the Central government did? Absolutely nothing, and the situation there is still as it is but they are content since their isn't really any routes for them to follow. The Crimea on the other hand has Russia backing them, so by ballot or by bullet the new central government of Ukraine isn't going to win.
User avatar #59109 to #59108 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
I guess it is just wishful thinking that the Russians, Ukrainians, and Crimeans would see reason and adhere to historical precedents in order to achieve what they want through democratic means.

Perhaps it is too much to ask.

As long as my country stays out of a conflict (humanitarian aid to the civilians is fine if they choose to), I am content.

Canada has no business in the affairs of Eastern Europe.
#59110 to #59109 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
It's not too much to ask, it's just impractical for the situation, ultimately all political power comes from whoever has the strongest army and whoever can march it further, Ukraine and Russia are no exemptions it's just going to seriously undermine the new central government.
User avatar #59114 to #59110 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
Agreed. Although I don't see how extending their hand to Crimeans and allow them a democratic means of gaining independence undermines the central government. If anything, by Western standards it would do the opposite.

Oh Eastern Europe, the complication of things only makes it worse for all parties.
#59116 to #59114 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
The same reason they can't have a pro-russian seperatist president for Crimea, because it makes the central government look weak it means they appear to have less authority and in the absense of authority people actively challenge the government more so then they would usually, especially considering the current government is unelected and is meant to be an "emergancy" government, it's illegitimate for a start this isn't helping them.
#59097 to #59095 - valeriya (03/02/2014) [-]
Some of the eastern Oblasts (Think US states but with a lot less power and influence and more for admin purposes then division of power) are reconsidering their place within Ukraine. They are the more culturally and linguistically "Russian" but are ethnically Ukrainian. The crimea was likely to break away in the 90's when they elected a Pro-Russian seperatist president. The Ukrainian central government stripped the crimean autonomous republic of much of its power after that little stunt.
User avatar #59096 to #59095 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
Just Crimea.

Can't say mutch about no bloodshed though, will mostlikely end up like Kosovo or Northern Ireland if the Russians choose to annex the region.
User avatar #59086 - akkere ONLINE (03/02/2014) [-]
Pros and Cons of the upcoming "World War"?
Con: Endless Spiral that will pull several countries in
Pro: The Politics Board is lively again
User avatar #59090 to #59086 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
Well, until the war un-climatically ends.
User avatar #59091 to #59090 - akkere ONLINE (03/02/2014) [-]
Then we're back to a whole thread every 8 hours.

It's just like the election all over again
#59081 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
The current Ukraine government isn't to be taken seriously after the president fled.

The current leader who took over is Oleksandr Turchynov who is from the All-Ukraine Union "Fatherland" who has 88 of 450 seats in the parliament which are only a 1/5 of the seats and only 11% voted for his party which is still to less to be in power of a nation.

The current government doesn't represent the people and is no way legitimate. Ukraine soldiers are joining the Russians in masses even a whole Ukraine battle ship joined them in the Black Sea.

>pic related it's the current leader who also has ties to global banks
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User avatar #59092 to #59084 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
Ukrainian navy chief Denys Berezovsky pledging allegiance to "the Crimean people". He was only appointed on Saturday by the new government in Kiev.
СПУТНИК И ПОГРОМ: Украинский флот переходит на сторону Крыма
User avatar #59093 to #59092 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
Now they have no navy
User avatar #59087 to #59084 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
Forgot to safe the original ones, I good those instead with a quick search
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Fatherland%22 (his Party)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Turchynov (Oleksandr)
User avatar #59088 to #59087 - schnizel (03/02/2014) [-]
User avatar #59089 to #59088 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
Just quick searches reveal more and more about this villain
User avatar #59094 to #59089 - schnizel (03/02/2014) [-]
User avatar #59082 to #59081 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
The marine chef of the Ukraine joined Russia
#59079 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
I have a feeling that alot of young men Many of whom has ties to some radical groups here from my town will go to Ukraine within the Next few weeks or so. Simmular to Spain in 1936 and Finland in 1939, Balkan 1992-2001 and Syria.

What do politics think of young men going to hot zones to fight for a foregin army to prove themselvs?

No bravado comments pls.
User avatar #59132 to #59079 - songemot (03/03/2014) [-]
People die for nothing all the time from partying too hard, getting in car accidents, drowning in pools, committing suicide, terminal diseases, etc. It's just a fact of life at this point. If someone wants to say, "fuck that, if I'm gonna go out before my time, I'm gonna go out fighting for something I believe in", that's far more respectable and worthwhile, even if it's a hopeless cause.
User avatar #59100 to #59079 - ikachan (03/02/2014) [-]
I think its fucking stupid. If you want to pie yourself in a battle zone go ahead. I'm going to play it safe and stay here in Canada where I am safe ;)
User avatar #59123 to #59100 - undeadwill ONLINE (03/02/2014) [-]
For now.
User avatar #59085 to #59079 - schnizel (03/02/2014) [-]
no homo
#59077 - anonymous (03/02/2014) [-]
Is it better to kill millions to save the lives of countless billions in the future, or to spare the millions at the expense of future billions?
User avatar #59105 to #59077 - teoragnar (03/02/2014) [-]
Depends, since the future isn't certain.
User avatar #59083 to #59077 - schnizel (03/02/2014) [-]
Depends on what.
#59131 to #59083 - anonymous (03/03/2014) [-]
Is killing everyone with AIDS today worth considering, to save those who will otherwise contract it in the future?
User avatar #59133 to #59131 - schnizel (03/03/2014) [-]
I would.
#59075 - schnizel (03/02/2014) [-]
I find it funny how both mudslimes and 'mericans both talk about freedom and peace that they pretend to have and throughout their existence all they have been doing is taking freedom from others and causing wars to those who are not ready for battle.
User avatar #59069 - cycloneclone (03/02/2014) [-]
>people still have doubt that ww3 is here
User avatar #59078 to #59069 - teoragnar (03/02/2014) [-]
User avatar #59074 to #59069 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
But... but... my militia training and doomstay prepping.
User avatar #59067 - revengeforfreeze (03/02/2014) [-]
So here's what's going to happen
>nato gets involved in the whole ukraine and russia thing
>they start fighting
>some al-qaeda start suicide bombing af
>chechens join in al-qaeda except the chechens want to kill both al-qaeda and the rest of the world
>North Korea sends nukes to USA then sends them to the rest of the world
>listen to this www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
#59070 to #59067 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
Oh wow.
Oh wow.
User avatar #59071 to #59070 - revengeforfreeze (03/02/2014) [-]
Fuck, I forgot Israel.
#59072 to #59071 - smallwood (03/02/2014) [-]
And China.   
Here's some footage of them invadeing Taiwan.
And China.

Here's some footage of them invadeing Taiwan.
User avatar #59073 to #59072 - revengeforfreeze (03/02/2014) [-]
Oh, yaeh.


And Japan
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