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User avatar #53564 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Tumblrisms: White Privilege
User avatar #53591 to #53564 - jewishcommunazi (12/09/2013) [-]
Video related.
User avatar #53570 to #53564 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Tumblr: A breeding ground of momentous, un-measurable ignorance and stupidity of the highest form.
I can almost feeeeeeeel that autism when I enter the site every time.
User avatar #53571 to #53570 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Its shit like this that make me want to become a nationalist
User avatar #53573 to #53572 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Look at this shit.
User avatar #53565 to #53564 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Tumblr needs to be destroyed.
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#53557 - repostsrepost (12/09/2013) [-]

Nelson Mandela, such a champion of human rights
User avatar #53534 - marymjc (12/09/2013) [-]
Can someone explain to me why American tax payers don't get to choose where their tax dollars go?
User avatar #53580 to #53534 - pebar (12/09/2013) [-]
because federalism
User avatar #53581 to #53580 - pebar (12/09/2013) [-]
top heavy federalism*
User avatar #53553 to #53534 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Because its the governments job and they aren't doing it right.
User avatar #53540 to #53534 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
Each American? Because it's an unholy bureaucratic nightmare.
Generally speaking? Because some chucklefuck decided that it would be a good idea to make budgets a suggestion instead of strict roadmaps.
User avatar #53541 to #53540 - marymjc (12/09/2013) [-]
Yeah, generally speaking. Thank you.
#53538 to #53534 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
Why don't we use our tax money to increase our per capita EBT income? Yes indeed, I choose 100% of my taxes, state and federal, to go into social-spending for poor youths.
Why don't we use our tax money to increase our per capita EBT income? Yes indeed, I choose 100% of my taxes, state and federal, to go into social-spending for poor youths.
User avatar #53547 to #53538 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
i lel'd
good one
User avatar #53544 to #53533 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
Reminds me of that South Park special about the homeless just constantly growing because of charity and the kids had to redirect all the homeless to California.
I had a thought that maybe a better idea would be to send the homeless to training academies and employment facilities - places where they can have a place to stay and have food, but also train for skills and be forced to maintain an obligation. It'd be expensive to build and start up, but probably more economical than maintaining the costs of social services we have now.
That was back in like, my junior year of high school, and I have no idea how feasible it would be now.
User avatar #53583 to #53544 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Problem is not many people want training they want handout.
User avatar #53592 to #53583 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
It would force them to take the training and maintain the obligation, instill a habitual work ethic into them and get them back on their feet with the intent to build something for themselves.
User avatar #53594 to #53592 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
Unions use to actually provide training and schooling. Now all they care about is money.
User avatar #53595 to #53594 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
True, they've become an overdemanding force that harms small business and other industries, but they're also a necessary evil in terms of providing a check 'n' balance for corporations and ensuring workers rights, like how in the show industry they prevent crew from needing to be worked 18 hours a day from a melodramatic producer.
Necessary evils are a bitch.
User avatar #53596 to #53595 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/09/2013) [-]
They are necessary but not this necessary
User avatar #53542 to #53533 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
Ahahaha. I can get the reasoning behind it (not that it isn't a disastrous unintended consequence waiting to happen), but it just sounds so fucking mean. I love it.
User avatar #53519 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
German Jews would be the most superior and intelligent type of humans.
User avatar #53559 to #53519 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
>most intelligent
>most superior
User avatar #53536 to #53519 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
wow i was only kidding...
User avatar #53528 to #53519 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
>implying race = intelligence
User avatar #53529 to #53528 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
>implying environment = intelligence
User avatar #53530 to #53529 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
What causes intelligence could be a wide variety of things. Race is not one of them.
User avatar #53589 to #53530 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
You make a smile.
#53531 to #53530 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
What "causes" a human's intelligence is a mixture of one's environment during development and one's genes, with the latter being more significant or having more correlation with IQ.
User avatar #53532 to #53531 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
There's no real evidence of that beyond statistics, and even those were taken by people who openly admitted that they have agendas--same goes for the strong environmentalists. The rapid changes in intelligence measurements over the last century make a predominantly genetic explanation very difficult to prove.
User avatar #53551 to #53532 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Not that i agree with byposted on the general scope of the matter, it is a fundamental fact that your gene's influence almost everything about you including intelligence of course. Weather that has direct or significant correlation with race, I don't know.
User avatar #53555 to #53551 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
Of course, but the genetic aspects of intelligence are probably so varied and widely dispersed that there's little, if any difference between groups. Obviously, average intelligence will differ between groups in general, but this is to be expected; it changes constantly.
User avatar #53535 to #53532 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
In anthropology you deal with statistics, especially when looking at intelligence. I know it is politically incorrect to say that Negroes are on average less intelligent than all other races, but it is a fact. And have you not observed their lower intelligences at least a few times in your life?

I understand it goes against the liberal concept of individuality to say that society exists in a racial social order of some sort, but it should be apparent that racial differences have developed as aggregated individual differences. That is to say that human development has grouped each precious "individual" into population clusters in regards to their locations on the globe and their respective lineages.

The rapid upward shift of human intelligence can be explained by the environmental factor in IQ. The hereditarian hypothesis does not claim that IQ is a measure solely dependent on one's race, but that there is a component of one's environment. And the shift does not disprove the basic Black-White-Asian theory.
User avatar #53539 to #53535 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
"I know it is politically incorrect to say that Negroes are on average less intelligent than all other races, but it is a fact."

It is not politically incorrect, it is just incorrect. There is a genetic aspect to intelligence, but we have yet to even single it out yet, all we know is that it exists. Trying to measure something empirical without statistics is inherently meaningless, and at most, speculative. Call me skeptical that several books with zero peer reviewing are "hard truths".

"I understand it goes against the liberal concept of individuality to say that society exists in a racial social order of some sort, but it should be apparent that racial differences have developed as aggregated individual differences."

This is because sociology is a bitch. The existence of nearly every racial stereotype has a historical and psychological explanation unrelated to genetics. You yourself have said that nobody is genetically predisposed to act a certain way as opposed to what they choose to do.
Even if there was some kind of racial barrier to intelligence, though, to treat them differently for it would still be inherently wrong. If anything, it would ethically make the welfare state a right. A strongly genetic explanation would also mean that many whites and Asians would also end up inferior, so by no means is a racial division defensible on a moral, ethical or logical level.

"The rapid upward shift of human intelligence can be explained by the environmental factor in IQ. The hereditarian hypothesis does not claim that IQ is a measure solely dependent on one's race, but that there is a component of one's environment. And the shift does not disprove the basic Black-White-Asian theory."

The Flynn effect has measured increases literally multiple times since IQ scores were recorded. You can't haplogroup your way into that. The IQ gap between blacks, Hispanics and whites has been decreasing for a while, so it seems silly to dwell on it now.
User avatar #53607 to #53539 - byposted (12/10/2013) [-]
>Even if there was some kind of racial barrier to intelligence, though, to treat them differently for it would still be inherently wrong. If anything, it would ethically make the welfare state a right.

Only within the framework of egalitarianism. On another note, we can say that ethically segregation was not so bad.

>The Flynn effect has measured increases literally multiple times since IQ scores were recorded.

Indeed, but never has the racial theory been debunked as a result of the Flynn effect. US Blacks have increased their average intelligence by multiple times, but they remain as they were eight decades ago: one standard deviation below US Whites in terms of IQ. Bear in mind that IQ tests have changed over the years, so this is a factor that must be controlled in the Flynn effect. Other than that, the Flynn Effect only proves that the expansion of education has benefited society as a whole. It does not, however, prove that race=/=intelligence.
User avatar #53606 to #53539 - byposted (12/10/2013) [-]
>It is not politically incorrect, it is just incorrect.

Are you dismissing the validity of IQ? Blacks have been shown time and time again to rank in the US one standard deviation below Whites on intelligence quotient tests. In Sub-Saharan Africa, Blacks score on average two standard deviations below Whites in the US. You know well of the adoption studies and those examining social-economic positions in society I presume, discrediting the environmental hypothesis, since we have established a genetic factor in intelligence. So it is not a question that Blacks have lower intelligences based on IQ, but whether or not IQ is an accurate system.

Schnitzel has posted a typical IQ bell-curve graph below. No anthropologist debates the results, they just dwell on reasons why it shows what is shows.

>You yourself have said that nobody is genetically predisposed to act a certain way as opposed to what they choose to do.

Nobody is genetically predisposed to "act" any certain way. Humans of all races are capable of abstract thought; Negroes are humans. In order to not believe so one would have to be an essentialist. Unfortunately, many project essentialist theory into racialism, and then proceed to destroy this, and, they believe, destroy racialism, by citing similarities between the races. This is called strawman tactics.

Negroes are stereotyped to be criminal. Lower intelligence makes one more likely to embrace criminality. If we take into account that the average US Black has an IQ of 85, what used to be considered as the threshold of mental retardation, Black crime is not a mystery. Intelligence has much more correlation with petty criminality than with social-economic position, that is for sure. IQ also correlates with those who are in car crashes; less intelligent people die from car crashes much more often.
#53562 to #53539 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, we smart now.
User avatar #53578 to #53562 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
>implying you have any actual evidence that I have not mentioned
User avatar #53585 to #53578 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
Most blacks are dumb, and will be. There is nothing you can do to change that.
User avatar #53586 to #53585 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
Of course they're dumb. They're human.
User avatar #53584 to #53578 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
>implying you are nothing more than a desperate kid looking for excuses
User avatar #53587 to #53584 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
I've written a summary of the intelligence debate, and you've posted uncited, unsourced and untrustworthy pictures.
User avatar #53602 to #53587 - lulzforhiroshima (12/10/2013) [-]
his excuses are so god awful it made me laugh VVV
User avatar #53588 to #53587 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
Nigga I wiped my HDD a month ago or so and you talk like a woman.
BTW I gtg do homework
#53561 to #53539 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
You are a good liar. Maybe one of the best on FJ.
#53527 to #53519 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
That's an oxymoron you know.
User avatar #53601 to #53527 - lulzforhiroshima (12/10/2013) [-]
Not really, we can both agree that Jews are on average very intelligent.
In my book intelligence = superiority.
User avatar #53502 - commission (12/08/2013) [-]
Invincible & Legendary, Soviet Military Music Concert - Несокрушимая и Легендарная Музыка Концерт

Communism is often criticized for its inability to create a sustainable economic system where people have incentive to perform efficiently and act ethically in their work. The abolishment of private property is often cited as a major cause for laziness and corruption. In non-communist societies, private property is often a “necessary motivation to work”, Giannis Starnatellos argues in his overview of computer ethics. Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, the fathers of Communism, disagree and find that property actually stifles motivation to work in existing non-communist systems. In the Communist Manifesto, they argue:

It has been objected that upon the abolition of private property, all work will cease, and universal laziness will overtake us. According to this, bourgeois society ought long ago to have gone to the dogs through sheer idleness; for those who acquire anything, do not work. The whole of this objection is but another expression of the tautology: There can no longer be any wage labour when there is no longer any capital.
User avatar #53503 to #53502 - commission (12/08/2013) [-]
Their argument makes the subtle assLiu Shaoqiumption that all resources in the world are evidently finite. Within non-communist societies, people compete ruthlessly to obtain the largest amount of resources and property for the end goal of wealth. Because property is scarce, once all capital is privatized, the incentive to work will be non-existent because all resources will be exhausted. Since all non-communist systems will eventually succeed to this condition, the only solution, Marx and Engels argue, is to ensure no privatization of property is allowed.
User avatar #53504 to #53503 - commission (12/08/2013) [-]
The introduction of computers and the computer industry into communism complicates finiteness of capital. Unlike the traditional sense of physical property such as land or factories, computers produce a new bountiful medium of ownership. Computers provide a means and way to create seemingly endless capital since the barriers of documenting ideas are significantly lifted through the use of applications and networking. The limited capital within the world, as described in the Communist Manifesto, has expanded to apparent infinity with the introduction of computing. Hence, the study of how computers have affected work motivation and ethics in Communism is needed.
User avatar #53509 to #53504 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
The problem is computing deals in infinite resources because data, information, and networking is infinite - certain solid physical resources, unless expressed through the subject of artificial synthesis, do not have the same advantage.
If resources were de-privatized, what would constitute an orderly consumption and distribution of these resources from the public without exhausting them?
User avatar #53506 to #53504 - Shiny (12/09/2013) [-]
Funny story: collectivism in technology is already a thing. And it already works. This website actually runs on a Russian web server that's maintained by a community of volunteers.
User avatar #53508 to #53507 - pebar (12/09/2013) [-]
I was thinking more the thread in general
User avatar #53464 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
So... What's gonna go down with the whole Iran Nuclear shit?

The way I see it, they are gonna loose in all possible circumstances if countries start flexing nuts.

Most of western Europe is on Israel's side even France , America is our dog, Saudi Arabia is with us.
All Iran has is Russia.

They'd get taken down easily if Israel decided to launch an attack with or without Saudi Arabia on the nuclear sites and Iran decided to fight back.

The problem is that Iran has its nuclear facilities heavily guarded and like 50m underground.
#53526 to #53464 - byposted (12/09/2013) [-]
Absolutely nothing is going to happen unless the US decides to decrease relations with Iran and undo the progress made since the election of Rouhani. This is a very likely prospect, that Iran will be denounced for a breach in the deal sometime in the future by the IAEA under false pretenses so that jingoist sentiment against her can be reinstated at a vigor previously unseen. Indeed, it has happened once before and it very well may again.

Most of Western Europe is not at this point on Israel's side. The European states do not favor an end to diplomacy, Israel does. Netanyahu's plans for a global intervention in Iran is not particularly liked by Western statesmen. France is the most pro-Israeli in Europe by all means, having to do with the amount of Israeli influence in her political system, which is why "even France" in your post seems funny to me. Other than the French, European governments do not seem to take Netanyahu's cartoon bombs seriously.

Israel would never strike Iran by its own means. Iran is more than capable of defending her skies and Israel would need the support of American bases in the region to supplant this. In such a scenario, Washington, not Tel Aviv, has the ruling.
User avatar #53445 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
So was anyone surprised Obama is acting like Mendel was his idol after his death?
User avatar #53482 to #53445 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
Everybody saw it coming.
User avatar #53461 to #53445 - akkere (12/08/2013) [-]
Not a bad strategic move, but not a severely profitable one. It'll empower his momentum with a select group of people (e.g. Those that were against Apartheid, Communists or those of Communist thought, every African American ever), and the people he would be pissing off like those that dislike the violence that came under Mendela (especially his wife, oh my god his wife) most likely already disliked him intensely.
Maybe we'll find out his reasons in the obligatory "Shit I did in my terms and why" autobiography that every president nowadays comes out with.
User avatar #53510 to #53461 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Last i checked, Nelson Mendala was a bit commie himself. He actually praised some communist societies
User avatar #53548 to #53510 - oxan (12/09/2013) [-]
He worked with communists and was more than happy to accept their aid and support, but he was certainly not a communist himself. Granted, a lot of the nominally socialist world had collapsed by the time he became President, but there were nominally socialist states existing nevertheless. The lack of initiation of socialist construction in South Africa goes to show that Mandela wasn't a Commie.
User avatar #53552 to #53548 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Colin Freeman of The Telegraph has an excellent article detailing Mandela’s ties to the South African Communist Party. The article tells of a book by British historian Professor Stephen Ellis, who wrote about the Umkhonto we Sizwe receiving bomb making lessons from the Irish Republican Army and intelligence training from the East German Stasi, which they used to conduct brutal interrogations of suspected spies in the ANC.

After apartheid ended and Mandela was freed he wasted no time in lavishing praise on communists and thug dictators. In 1991 he and his wife Winnie went to Cuba, which they called their second home, to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro. While there he said, “Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro… Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny… There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people.

Mandela also said of Cuba, “There’s one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is its love for human rights and liberty.”

User avatar #53604 to #53552 - oxan (12/10/2013) [-]
Yes, Cuba trained ANC troops and one of the commanding officers of Umkhonto we Sizwe was a member of the Communist Party of South Africa. Today, the SACP is in a coalition with the ANC.

But just because Mandela was more than happy to accept the support of communists doesn't mean he was a communist.
User avatar #53511 to #53510 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
Yep, that's why I mentioned the appraisal of Mandela might've been intended to appeal to groups including those who prefer communist policies.
User avatar #53513 to #53511 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Ohhh sorry I read that wrong.
User avatar #53514 to #53513 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
No problemo, senior.
User avatar #53515 to #53514 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Ist un mexican?
I ist Juden
User avatar #53516 to #53515 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
Nope, though I'm half Puerto Rican, I'm whiter than white chocolate. I cut you with expensive knife
I don't really know a lot of Spanish though, and I sucked at it in high school.
Are you a member of the illuminati?
User avatar #53518 to #53517 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
gib sheckels pls
User avatar #53520 to #53518 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Fuck no, eat my shit you disgusting latin crap.
User avatar #53522 to #53521 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Puerto Inferior Recan

Superior Jew
#53543 to #53522 - recan (12/09/2013) [-]
I have been summoned!!!!
User avatar #53546 to #53543 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Holy crap, i fucking hate you idiots who join other people's conversations just because you have short names that get mentioned. Fuck off.
#53576 to #53546 - recan (12/09/2013) [-]
Lol, have a nice day too!
#53523 to #53522 - akkere (12/09/2013) [-]
but im whiter than white chocolate tho   
 I bet you can't even into matzah crackers
but im whiter than white chocolate tho
I bet you can't even into matzah crackers
User avatar #53524 to #53523 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Bitch i eat mutzah scrambled eggs
User avatar #53459 to #53445 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
What did you expect?

At least Obama is trying to be a "peaceful" president. He hasn't really invaded anything if you find that good or not.
User avatar #53453 to #53445 - pebar (12/08/2013) [-]
Obama does whatever he can to get attention..... he changed his stance on gay marriage right before his election just to score some extra points.
User avatar #53454 to #53453 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
And then.....Did nothing.

Seems to me he acts like that kid that knows famous people (Not really) But because of this makes him cooler.
#53396 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
communism is cool
#53440 to #53396 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
poor little Lenin
User avatar #53598 to #53440 - jewishcommunazi (12/09/2013) [-]
"We want independence from Russia, let's show it by taking down the statue of the guy that made Ukraine more independent from Russia!"
#53444 to #53440 - valeriya (12/08/2013) [-]
See I don't get this Lenin towards Ukraine wasn't that bad and was pretty damn good for Ukraine and made a lot of Ukrainians better off, after ww1 the civil war mess of course, the soviets pretty much encouraged Ukrainian culture and values as they did in all the other parts of the USSR, hell the Russians in Ukraine were encouraged to act more Ukrainian, this carried on until Kulaks got pissy and burned their crops and killed their own cattle, then they semi u-turned and went back to a milder version of russification in that Russian was used along-side Ukrainian.
User avatar #53512 to #53444 - lulzforhiroshima (12/09/2013) [-]
Whats your thought on the crap going on with Ukraine right now? Them wanting to join the EU but the President/Prime Minister forgot name and title wanting to join Putin and his little Slavic Union thing going on
#53569 to #53512 - valeriya (12/09/2013) [-]
Both sides are relatively stupid as far as I'm concerned, a lot of them that are in kyiv causing shit are the lot that want Ukraine to be independent and maintain sovereignty economically sound, however I don't think they realized that joining the EU will scrap a lot of Ukraines sovereignty and that joining the EU market will pretty much destroy the Ukrainian economy, the same with Joining the customs union, The thing is The modern relations between Russia and Ukraine have always been something like screaming oppression, the amount Russia has in the past invested in Ukraine is much more they realize, slight case of Ingrate syndrome Russia pretty much rebuilt Ukraine post war modern day it's the excuse of "for their benefit" which it wasn't it wasn't. it'll pretty much have Russian breathing down their throat again and the thing is Russia can economically fuck Ukraine into oblivion if it wants, along with the rest of Europe so it's a very... No winning solution except do nothing, which is what the president is seeming at this point in time to be doing, since he's made no hint at signing Russias agreement either... Picture semi-related...
#53463 to #53444 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
lies. Petlyura is rising from the grave to again lead the Ukrainian peasant to Kiev. To shame that the peasant simply wants emigration rights to the North and that the Ukraine will be drained of all human resources should this campaign go anywhere.

The statue was made of the same stone as that of Lenin's tomb in Moscow. This wasn't just your typical Lenin statue on the corner.
#53409 to #53396 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
there's 100 million dead people that might disagree with you
User avatar #53612 to #53409 - jewishcommunazi (12/10/2013) [-]
How weird that people don't stop dying once we introduce a new economic system...

US intervention in Latin America: 6.3 million dead
Invasion of Philippines: 650,000 dead + 1898 war 3 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.2 million dead
Vietnam War: 10 million dead
Korean War: 10 million dead
Yugoslavia: 300,000 dead
Iran-Iraq War (US funding both sides): 1 million dead
US intervention in Congo: 5 million dead
US Civil War (financial vs land capitalists) 650,000 dead
Native American genocide: 95 million dead
African slave trade: 150 million dead
Indonesian purges against communists: 1 million dead (underestimate)
US Bombing of Laos and Cambodia: at least 1 million dead
US backed Batista, Pinochet, Metaxas, Saddam, Suharto, and various dictators supported by the United States: at least a few million
User avatar #53599 to #53409 - jewishcommunazi (12/09/2013) [-]
User avatar #53550 to #53409 - oxan (12/09/2013) [-]
There's several times that who would probably agree with OP.
#53435 to #53409 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
socialism is not communism
#53439 to #53435 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
for all practical purposes, they are the same even Marx thought so
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User avatar #53501 to #53468 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
Same fag.
#53398 to #53397 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
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User avatar #53382 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
After watching a number of videos of "The Young Turks", i can conclude that i cant fucking stand them. The near thought of their opinions on subjects makes me mad.

That Brunette bitch sitting next to the fat man just called the police department of the county racist because they bought Zimmerman's side of the story. This is great example of their logic.
#53436 to #53382 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
That's the left version of Fox for ya'.
Admittedly, they tend to be a bit more belligerent in their speakings, which is certainly an accomplishment.
User avatar #53438 to #53436 - akkere (12/08/2013) [-]
God damn it, not again with this accidentally posting as anon shit
User avatar #53400 to #53382 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
They have the political skill of a facebook page.
User avatar #53379 - pebar (12/08/2013) [-]
Islam is a Religion of Peace- Intelligence Squared U.S. not sure if I ever posted this
beware, it's kinda long
spoilers: it's not a religion of peace
User avatar #53381 to #53379 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
No offence to the black women but she is slow and seems bad at debating. I'd much rather have Sam Harris debate this topic *tips fedora*
User avatar #53390 to #53381 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Harris is a gigantic douche, though. He actually thinks that Arabs, regardless of religious upbringing, should be subject to ethnic profiling because they might be Muslim.

The debates on Islam will never end because conflating the writings of an ancient religion with a diverse range of followers with the actions of individuals will never make sense and nobody wants to admit that it's pretty much the Western nations' fault the Middle East is so religious anymore.
User avatar #53392 to #53390 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Sadly, Islam will never end.
User avatar #53393 to #53392 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Islam is fine. Theocracy is not. You could literally start a religion where the sole holy text is a piece of paper saying "don't kill people", and if there were a state that based its law off of it, people would be executed daily for heresy.
User avatar #53427 to #53393 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
You forget the teachings of Islam and the whole idea of sharia law.
All the time Islam references extreme sexism in the qauran, ect.
User avatar #53434 to #53427 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Many religions, especially Abrahamic ones, have written frameworks for bullshit totalitarian regimes. Holy text can be interpreted in a fuckload of ways, so I don't really care as long as followers cherry pick the "how to be a decent person" parts.
User avatar #53495 to #53434 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Correct me if I'm wrong but your trying to say that it doesn't really matter on belief.

The millions killed under Jesus's name compared to the millions killed under "lack of god" isn't one to relate to because they weren't necessarily killed because atheism is the true belief and all who think otherwise are dead. We discussed Stalin already, thats what im trying to say. So don't use communism to prove your opinion.
User avatar #53498 to #53495 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I just said that communists have historically killed people in the name of anti-religion. Where are you getting this pro-commie stance from?
User avatar #53500 to #53498 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Never said u were pro-commie
User avatar #53452 to #53434 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
however, Christianity of the New Testament isn't close to as bad as Islam.
User avatar #53456 to #53452 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
True, but that hasn't stopped millions from being killed in Jesus' name. And centuries later, killed in the name of a lack of a god.
User avatar #53458 to #53456 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
"killed in the name of a lack of a god.", uhhhm when?
User avatar #53462 to #53458 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
You know, the Soviet Union. Many communists believe that religion is a tool used to pacify the proletariat.
User avatar #53466 to #53462 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
I was hoping you wouldn't actually bring up communist states.
The reason people died under communism has no relation to the fact that they didn't encourage religion.
This is a very poor example.
User avatar #53471 to #53466 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I never said it was the reason. I said it was a reason. I just attacked communism, I didn't apologize for it.
User avatar #53473 to #53471 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
But it actually isn't a reason at all. Its the fact that these communist states were disgusting dictatorships with people like Stalin in charge.
User avatar #53476 to #53473 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I never said otherwise. I don't see your point.
User avatar #53480 to #53476 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
You said "killed in the name of a lack of a god." therefore you are implying that these people were killed because they believed in religion.
User avatar #53481 to #53480 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
They were killed because they were imprisoned in intentionally horrifying prison camps for expressing religion.
User avatar #53485 to #53481 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Yes but that only occurred in Stalins rule and we both know why. He wanted to create the people of the Soviet Union into brainwashed pigs who believe in nothing but what he says.
User avatar #53488 to #53485 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Pretty much.
User avatar #53489 to #53488 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Thats why i said it wasn't a good example...
User avatar #53490 to #53489 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I don't see why. I never said communists were all violently opposed to religion; Marx himself acknowledged that gradualism was legitimate before he died.
User avatar #53451 to #53434 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
I can't say the same for Christianity because i don't know enough about it.
User avatar #53449 to #53434 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Not really. Judaism itself definitely doesn't have one.
If for example Orthodox Jews literally ruled the world, everything would be the same in all non-Jewish countries because the religion of Judaism doesn't have the goal of making everyone Jewish. The whole general point of the the Jewish people idea was to promote good in the world instead of the bad, barbaric crap happening long before hand.
User avatar #53455 to #53449 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I have no reason to believe a Jewish theocratic state wouldn't persecute non-Jews. Israel doesn't persecute its own citizens in this fashion because they only exist to protect religious freedom, and you can bet your ass that if they did start fucking with Christians, we'd cut ties with them in a hurry. The entire concept of Zionism is based on the idea that Israel should be ultranationalist.

It's all about the ingroup-outgroup bias. It might not be in the holy texts, but you can bet your ass that every group has at least one asshole that wants to force it upon everyone else. It's just human nature.
User avatar #53457 to #53455 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
>one asshole
Not in Islam.
User avatar #53460 to #53457 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
At least.
User avatar #53465 to #53460 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
If we are referring to Islam in the middle east, its more like most are assholes.
This is mostly because they all live in the same culture.
User avatar #53467 to #53465 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Obviously. But Muslims outside of Islamic nations are often treated as such, even though many of them in Western nations even shave and eat pork, since they take their religion much less seriously.

It doesn't help that the apparently-no-questions-asked immigration policies of European nations only attract the Islamics that want to carry out bin Laden's image, though.
User avatar #53470 to #53467 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Yeah I can't stand the fact that Europe is becoming an immigrant shithole for muslims.
User avatar #53474 to #53470 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I doubt that will happen. Rags like the Daily Mail like to exaggerate it. However, it will further ensure that the Middle East stays religious, because soon Muslims that want to escape theocracy will no longer have anywhere to go, because everyone will hate them.
User avatar #53477 to #53474 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Thats okay with me, as long as they don't mass immigrate to other countries and fix the shit in theirs.
User avatar #53479 to #53477 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I doubt any of them can help what happens in the Middle East, that is why it is important to let non-theocrats leave. These nations will always have a lot of power because--guess what--they gots oil.
User avatar #53483 to #53479 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Well, lets just say non-theocrats aren't the only one's leaving, far from it. Have you seen some of the protests in England or France?

Also you can't just let a country get overrun by immigrants, no matter who they are.
User avatar #53487 to #53483 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
See above. I already said it was a travesty that extremists are now tolerated across borders.

"Also you can't just let a country get overrun by immigrants, no matter who they are."
Not really an issue if you don't live in an extremely overpopulated nation.
User avatar #53499 to #53487 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
America has so many Mexicans because we simply don't want to do manual labor work ourselves.

User avatar #53493 to #53487 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
It is though, I have a hard time explaining this but a country is supposed to try to keep its founding culture the way it is. Regardless of which and regardless of who's entering.

Thats why I am for strict, and small forms of immigration, to keep a strict ratio of immigrants to the original people in a country.
The U.S is a tough one though because so many of the people their are lazy, leftists...
User avatar #53497 to #53493 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Trying to keep a culture static is a great way of making sure it changes even faster. Just sayin'.

"The U.S is a tough one though because so many of the people their are lazy, leftists..."

There are no leftists in America, silly. That said, America has so many Mexicans because we simply don't want to do manual labor work ourselves.
User avatar #53412 to #53393 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
>Islam is fine.
User avatar #53413 to #53412 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
In principle, it's no worse than any other religion.
User avatar #53446 to #53413 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Are you serious?
User avatar #53414 to #53413 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
I would rather live in Tel Aviv than in Baghdad.
User avatar #53415 to #53414 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Not really a fair comparison, since Iraq had its asshole blown wide open with freedom. And many native Israelites are neutral about the whole conflict.
User avatar #53447 to #53415 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
It was crap to begin with, maybe a bit less but still complete garbage, we both know it.
User avatar #53448 to #53447 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
It was peaceful crap where everything wasn't blown up.
User avatar #53450 to #53448 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
It might have been peaceful, as in Arab countries standard of piece, but still a piece of shit
Tel Aviv doesnt compare to Baghdad.
User avatar #53469 to #53450 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Well, Tel Aviv is also Israel's economic hub, so it's gonna be nicer than a nation where religion is your daily life.
User avatar #53472 to #53469 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
"religion is your daily life"

Thats the point, Islam or the people of Islam ruined it the city.
User avatar #53475 to #53472 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
It's always been a center for Islam. Cities like Tehran used to be prosperous and modern before Western interference sparked religious revolutions.
User avatar #53478 to #53475 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
If Western interference sparked religious revolutions then the people of the area sucked to begin with. Iran is a good example, the Iranian revolution of the 70's proved that the people their could transform into sharia law loving, murderers and torturers (atleast the men)
User avatar #53484 to #53478 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Any populace can be turned to monsters with enough propaganda and emotional appeal.
User avatar #53486 to #53484 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
It didn't take a lot to let it happen in the middle east. Thats the scary part.
User avatar #53494 to #53486 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
It was more of a domino effect. All America and the Brits had to do was get rid of the legitimately elected leader of Iran and establish a totalitarian state, because this particular asshole let them have their petroleum.
User avatar #53496 to #53494 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
I'd argue against this but I have to go. Lets just agree to disagree on this.
User avatar #53416 to #53415 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
User avatar #53417 to #53416 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
It's in Saudi Arabia and you have a penis. Enjoy your freedom to do whatever you want.
User avatar #53418 to #53417 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
It's hot. And I have droped my durka durk.
User avatar #53419 to #53418 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
I live in Americanada, so the heat would be a pleasant change of pace.
User avatar #53420 to #53419 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
Nah dude, trust me, ghost burn in the sun.
User avatar #53421 to #53420 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Because visitors are dumb and don't realize that the heavy garb keeps you cool.
User avatar #53422 to #53421 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
User avatar #53423 to #53422 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
You don't burn if your clothes blot out the sunlight. A lot of Arabs are light skinned.
User avatar #53395 to #53393 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
(Literally here referring to the paper. Curse that word, so tempting to misuse...)
User avatar #53380 to #53379 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
im gonna watch this fully open minded.
User avatar #53375 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]

I loose brain cells when i watch this fucking retard.
User avatar #53374 - noblexfenrir (12/08/2013) [-]
Okay seriously, fuck this game. playspent.org/

I'm fine if you want to garner sympathy for low income workers for your charity, sure whatever. But blatantly lying in a situation to make it seem like it could happen is ridiculous.

First my landlord unexpectedly increased my rent by $150, your options are to pay, find a new place, or live with a friend. Fucking seriously? Why not tell him it's illegal and if he insists, then take him to court. Which, if you follow the right steps, can get you up to 6 months of free living without having to pay him a dime.

Then, my next home had a kid break the window with a baseball, my landlord saw this, and told me to pay it or wrap it in plastic. (You can take legal action, but the result is losing money for the day and told you'll be in a 3 month waiting line and end up paying the 100 bucks anyways.) AGAIN this WILL NOT fucking happen. Unless you're a goddamn mat and just accept all the shit people throw at you.

Then, my car was towed for some godforsaken reason, and the very next day apparently my car which is not in my possession...broke down....while I was driving it....fuck man poor people are magic.

and then god forbid you make a rational decision, the damn thing will spit statistic after statistic, and make assumptions why you made a choice. I turned down a co-workers offer to start a warehouse workers union, the game then proceeded to tell me that I and other workers like me are afraid to unionize because of the possibility of losing their job....it can't be...ya know....I'm a fucking warehouse worker with no special skills and I realize the risk of a union in such a situation. Not to mention I don't have the luxury to take that risk.

User avatar #53425 to #53374 - jingleforth (12/08/2013) [-]
If you help your kid, and get a simple answer right. You're lucky.
Poor as fuck and struggling? better play lottery and buy 100$ clothes

User avatar #53441 to #53425 - noblexfenrir (12/08/2013) [-]
Oh that one got me fucking rustled, the very fact they called the lottery "investing" of any kind is just pathetic.

Mind also telling me what the fuck I'm paying taxes for, if apparently the second my kid has trouble, I have to pay for a tutor? Even if I didn't know the answer (which as you said, is easy as shit and somehow that makes you "lucky"?), what the fuck is stopping my kid from trying his best and then going in the next day and telling the teacher that he simply didn't understand the content fully and if he could get a little more help.

Then it chastises you for choosing the $10 thrift store shoes instead of the $100 name brand, and I'm like...bitch I'm on a fucking budget, this is what people on budgets do. It's not like I'm getting an inferior product, I'm just getting the "poorer" product, so I become socially stigmatized in this games world. Like "HOW DARE YOU ACCEPT A PERFECTLY GOOD COAT FROM ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, YOU NEED TO BUY YOUR OWN AND NOT ACCEPT KINDNESS!!" Which is kind of funny considering the whole message of the game.
User avatar #53442 to #53441 - jingleforth (12/08/2013) [-]
I also love how the other shit kids at the school make fun of the kid because he eats free lunches.

I'm 99% that never happens.
User avatar #53443 to #53442 - noblexfenrir (12/08/2013) [-]
I think nowadays it's just added to an account the school provides and people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between you and someone using money they brought in from a check.

User avatar #53383 to #53374 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Wow, this game is ridiculously un-realistic to favor to one opinion.
#53358 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
What if we have the Israelis terraform Mars?
User avatar #53377 to #53358 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Let the master race Germans do it, Israel can keep its piece of sand just like the Jews wanted.
Anything but the disgusting Chinese.
#53371 to #53358 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
No fuck them let german engineers do it!
User avatar #53370 to #53358 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Colonization is legal as long as Israel doesn't try to declare any of the land they use to be sovereign; it has to be fully public. However, Israel will probably end up doing so anyway, and as usual, we'll defend them tooth and nail all the way.

(Original comment deleted because I accidentally sent it incomplete)
User avatar #53376 to #53370 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
Do i hear a little grudge?
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User avatar #53360 to #53358 - pebar (12/08/2013) [-]
It doesn't really matter who terraforms it. Do you mean colonize?
#53362 to #53360 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
User avatar #53364 to #53362 - pebar (12/08/2013) [-]
Well, they could probably figure out the best way to harvest resources to maximize profit.
User avatar #53353 - mrslendy (12/07/2013) [-]
Politics are for americunts.
User avatar #53355 to #53331 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
I don't know I still go tumblr. It pains me so.
User avatar #53337 to #53331 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
not available in your location.
#53309 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
So from my quick browse through the first page, this politics board seems like a wannabee /pol/. Is that assessment true?
#53367 to #53309 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
How should it be then according to you newguy?   
On the side note guys ive discoverd im pacifist
How should it be then according to you newguy?

On the side note guys ive discoverd im pacifist
User avatar #53356 to #53309 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/08/2013) [-]
Better pol than tumblr.
User avatar #53378 to #53356 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
For most people :^)
User avatar #53314 to #53309 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
I think I remember you. Who are you again?
User avatar #53319 to #53314 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
User avatar #53321 to #53319 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
And you are.......
User avatar #53323 to #53321 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
How am I supposed to answer that?
User avatar #53325 to #53323 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
I remember you from somewhere. But IDK where? I think you were that liberal dude.
User avatar #53326 to #53325 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
Liberal is being a bit generous, but yeah. You thought you were funny doing some Allah shit.
User avatar #53327 to #53326 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
Yeah, you got owend by your own logic.
User avatar #53328 to #53327 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
It wasn't even an argument though. You were just acting like a retard to make me mad.
User avatar #53330 to #53328 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
Nope. You insulted Islam and you hate 1,5 billion people.
User avatar #53336 to #53330 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Fuck Islam
I just insulted it.

I don't hate all of them, but the one's in the middle east and crowding up Europe with their radicalism can go die. I also very much hate their religion as a whole.
User avatar #53338 to #53336 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
Why so racist, muslims have treated jews with such care trough out their history.
User avatar #53339 to #53338 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
"Why so racist"

Islam is a terrible religion.

'muslims have treated jews with such care trough out their history."

First of I talking from a not Jew perspective, second of all i agree. But it isn't like that anymore. Not only that but islam is starting to flood Europe with its crap and they're becoming a big problem to everyone who doesn't gain from their disgusting culture and killings.
User avatar #53340 to #53339 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
I know, I'm just trollin, a little. You get upseat easily.
User avatar #53341 to #53340 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
None of my language in the previous post implies that I'm upset, your using this because you know i have just fucked you in your own game of chess.
Nice way of deviating the conversation.
User avatar #53342 to #53341 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
I'm just looking for people to troll. Don't hate me cuz y aint me.
> just fucked you in your own game of chess.
>beat me
>in any game
User avatar #53343 to #53342 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
good work mate
User avatar #53344 to #53343 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
Trust me, this wasn't trolling, mearly to have someone to talk to.
User avatar #53345 to #53344 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
i know i love you too.
User avatar #53352 to #53345 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
User avatar #53350 to #53345 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
How many square miles of muslims have you killed?
User avatar #53351 to #53350 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
None, but my dad is teaching me how to get the U.S to do it for me with rockets and military jets.
User avatar #53348 to #53345 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
I love it when you talk dirty to me.
User avatar #53349 to #53348 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
get in my bed so i can tell you about all the properties i own.
User avatar #53346 to #53345 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
You are my greatest ally.
User avatar #53347 to #53346 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
when we take over the world, i'll slit your throat like the sneaky jew i am.
User avatar #53312 to #53309 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]

Guys, don't even bother please.
User avatar #53320 to #53312 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
I'm actually serious.
User avatar #53324 to #53320 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Well maybe you should look around more before trying to generalize the board based on a couple of posts...
User avatar #53329 to #53324 - nigeltheoutlaw (12/07/2013) [-]
I'll just stick to other boards instead.
User avatar #53335 to #53329 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Yes please.
User avatar #53310 to #53309 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
not really
Schnizel and maybe Byposted are really the only /pol/ ish people who come here
User avatar #53394 to #53310 - jewishcommunazi (12/08/2013) [-]
It's funny because Byposted is polish.
User avatar #53334 to #53310 - Shiny (12/07/2013) [-]
Don't forget frisia.
#53368 to #53334 - mr skeltal (12/08/2013) [-]
Yup Yup.
User avatar #53311 to #53310 - schnizel (12/07/2013) [-]
User avatar #53307 - CapnInterwebz (12/07/2013) [-]
Would you believe me if I told you people are starving themselves outside Capitol Hill to make Republicans reform immigration?
User avatar #53313 to #53307 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
I would laugh...
#53271 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
Question for byposted and other nationalists.

First, byposted, are you a White Nationalist, or something more specific? I think I've read one of your posts where you refer to WN as a more of an American phenomenon than a European one. I'm not sure if that was something critical, or just a mere observation.

Secondly, how extensive of a presence of foreign cultures would you permit, in your most realistic ideal society? Would you tolerate all traditionally 'Western' civilisations, or only the culture of your country, your nation, insofar as that includes culture traditions of others. Would you permit the presence of foreign Western cultures, so long as the official government policy was the promotion of the host culture?

Our national conservative libertarian friends are welcome to post, as well. undeadwill, pebar.
User avatar #53389 to #53271 - schnizel (12/08/2013) [-]
I'm not important
User avatar #53545 to #53389 - oxan (12/09/2013) [-]
>And other nationalists

Go on, schnizel, you Jew-hating Nazi. Tell me what you think.
User avatar #53554 to #53545 - schnizel (12/09/2013) [-]
I think about potatoes.
User avatar #53357 to #53271 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
I believe White Nationalism to be a final vestige of decency in American politics. I am, however, a second generation immigrant here and have more desire in someday working for my people rather than for American Whites. I do not want to mix with an American White woman and board onto a sinking ship so to say.

I respect the White Nationalist movement but have come to realize that I am not a part of it. It is true that White Nationalism is an American ideology, only in America can "Whites" be a single ethnic group, and it is hard to work for the interests of a people that have already made their deathbed.

In order for such a movement to succeed it needs a base in the upper classes (or for the upper classes to be barely functional in so far as pursuing their political interests are concerned, in which case other means must be utilized). Rockwell attempted to mobilize the White bourgeois in the US as did others, but they never took the call. The most they did was vote for Reagan whose Conservative legacy is a mist in the distance. It was too little and too late by the Reagan era to ignore racial realities. Now that the United States has a mulatto as its figurehead, a youth embracing leftism and an unstable demographic situation, it is hard to see how the Reagan Coalition will undo the last decades.

I take the title "Conservative," although more precisely I could be called reactionary since I oppose working within legitimate boundaries, because it is vague and more a lifestyle than a ideological classification in America. Everyone who opposes modern progress should rally around a common banner and look out for eachother. In this White Nationalism even struggles to do, with all the petty infighting. The infighting must come later, when our greatest concern has been dealt with.

User avatar #53366 to #53357 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Doesn't it bother you that American conservatism is extremely pro-Israel?
User avatar #53372 to #53366 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
I think there's a difference between the foreign arena and the domestic. I support Hizballah not because I'm a Muslim who hates America and Israel, but because I believe we can learn much from their infusion of political power and militarism as a political organization and party.

My relationship with mainstream Conservatives is one of agitation. They support Israel because they support a strong American military and country. It is my job to get them to see that the American state is diseased, not to be cured by a military continually purged of its high officials and emasculated in its ranks, and that the Middle East has lost much importance over this last decade due to domestic development in the oil industry. As for the irrational Christians who support Israel out of what they read in the Bible and of a general hatred of Islam, knowing that Jesus's birthplace is blocked off by a minefield and that Israel is anything but a peaceful actor should give them the foundation to become anti-Israeli.
User avatar #53373 to #53372 - Shiny (12/08/2013) [-]
Makes sense.
User avatar #53359 to #53357 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
When it comes to culture, all goes within the race with the state as its proctor. Liberal cultural ideas have given us Hollywood, an American movie industry founded by Eastern European Jews who pump out such repulsive garbage that it makes any decent man cringe. But since it is a center of capital what should it matter, right? This conflicts with what extreme libertarians say about the legalization of drugs, that people will not use them because they will know that they're bad if the market has them readily available. How does one explain Hollywood at such a note? Not only does it promote drugs and such vice, but it does so in a manner which seems like repackaging the same thing over and over again. If the individual can aspire to such poor quality when it comes to his entertainment, he very well will when it comes to the worst drugs and his "recreation."

I have heard of some denouncing Hitler's Germany for doing away with its movie industry. The industry, coincidentally, was managed by Yids and drained out of the sewer pipe oddly similar garbage to modern Hollywood. What was produced in pre-Hitlerite German cinema was not a legacy of German culture but that of foul depravity.

Note, at that, how Obama has recently called Hollywood a hallmark of American culture. Right in front of the Katzenberg/Ratzenberg/Hatzenberg Jews who own that town. They're our culture?
User avatar #53387 to #53359 - oxan (12/08/2013) [-]
Also, are you religious byposted? Has that influenced your positions, or have your positions influenced your religiousness?
User avatar #53386 to #53359 - oxan (12/08/2013) [-]
You've described modern society as you see it, but what of tomorrow? If you were able, how would you attempt to shape the state's cultural and racial policies?
User avatar #53308 to #53271 - Shiny (12/07/2013) [-]
Aren't 'national' and 'libertarian' oxymoronic?
User avatar #53365 to #53308 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
Yes and no. Many libertarians hate the concept of state so much that they hate the concepts of nationality and race. Some seem to prefer both existing in limbo, which has the same result anyhow.
User avatar #53315 to #53308 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
not really. They aren't really in the same category.
User avatar #53304 to #53271 - undeadwill ONLINE (12/07/2013) [-]
Every culture would have to follow the rules everyone else did no special treatment. Government shouldn't promote culture at all because in the great mixing pot that America is no cares about culture because we are the sum of the great parts of every culture.
Simply put why would government need to influence culture? And how could it?
#53306 to #53304 - valeriya (12/07/2013) [-]
Everything starts young, you're in texas, I think officially you have english as a language but a large minority of Spanish., English is used in the state and in education. Now onto Russia since it's the one I know best, Russification which was basically everything was in Russian (State documents children in schools would be taught Russian and if they used a local language would be penalized), its aim was basically to alienate people into assimilating to Russian culture. In the case of imperial Russia lets say there's a Ukrainian who's culturally Russian and a Ukrainian who's culturally Ukrainian, the culturally Russian one is less likely to join nationalist movements, downside is it also pissed off a lot of Ukrainians who saw their way of life under threat... Basically it's about control over people, and you control them through education, community pressure / influence or just plain old gun point.
User avatar #53272 to #53271 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
There's no need for government to enforce cultural norms. If norms are just proper etiquette and not law, then they can adapt to changing societies. If they are law then it tends to not go well for the people who disagree. Societal pressures and the desire to fit in are good enough to stabilize culture.
The only time government should get involved is if one person is infringing on the rights of another including property rights for you commies
User avatar #53274 to #53272 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
You're a libertarian, so I'm expecting a particular answer, but how do you feel about attempts to strip monogamous marriage of its status as the 'norm', and the promotion of polygamy as just as normal as monogamy?

In general, what about attempts to strip any institution or concept of its status of 'normality' (marriage/relationships, 'heteronormativity', etc)? Can socially enforced cultural norms withstand this?
User avatar #53277 to #53274 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
The issue with situations like this is that people like to get involved with other people's personal lives when it's none of their business. If 3 people instead of 2 want to pool their resources and go through life together, and they value this more than society's pressure, then they should be allowed to. There just shouldn't be a redundant cost imposed by government on top of it. It would be better if people were more tolerant of things that are different so society's pressures would be less and people would be free to pursue their interests, but that's not likely to ever happen.

Losing normality is likely to be a gradual process so I wouldn't worry about it. Things change over time, just don't use government's monopoly of force to speed up or slow down the process.
User avatar #53278 to #53277 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
Yeah, that's basically what I expected as a response.


Now I'll wait for byposted's response, which will surely be interesting.

Since you're here, wanna discuss privilege and/or patriarchy? I've had enough of this ultraleftists nonsense.
User avatar #53286 to #53278 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
Like I said, norms change over time. The idea of privilege is just leftovers from the past.
Marx would probably say something like the dominant group uses its power to suppress the minority in order to stay in power, but I disagree. Historically, most oppression came from government-enforced norms, like segregation. However, in a free market, it's expensive to be a bigot so that tends to fade over time.
User avatar #53288 to #53286 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
How would you respond to allegations that libertarianism is white supremacist?

This is not my position, but it seems to be the position of a number of 'Marxists' I've associated with.
User avatar #53290 to #53288 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
That's ridiculous... You can't have ethnic supremacy without government.
#53293 to #53290 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
Aamer Rahman (Fear of a Brown Planet) - Reverse Racism Alrighty, pebar. This is the video that we were discussing.

Your favourite commie: 'First, because 'reverse racism' is fucking stupid. It's just racism. Second, because even though the term is stupid, it does happen. I mean, it's a funny scene, but using it politically is dumb.'

Not your favourite commie: 'reverse racism doesn't exist
what we MEAN when we talk about reverse racism
is when white people
are like "omg that black person was rude to me because i'm white omg!!!"
which isn't racism, it's prejudice
now, racism against white people doesn't exist in an australian context because of the white hegemony. racism against white people exists, for instance, in certain south-east asian countries.'
User avatar #53317 to #53293 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Holy crap, that asshole in the video clearly doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
He's just using the excuse of his ancestors, what a piece of crap.
#53295 to #53293 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
I kinda sorta see where they're coming from because when white people are called crackers it doesn't really mean anything, but when black people are called niggers it means quite a bit.

But that's really as far as I'll go. There are plenty of times when white people are victimized for being white; that's racism plain and simple. It's just people making generalizations about a group of people and then acting on it. If you want to deal with the problem, you need to look at why those generalizations exist. I blame "reverse racism" on the race baiting by the media which teaches black kids that whites are evil oppressors from the beginning. "Normal racism" is just remnants of the past; the civil rights movement was not that long ago, just give it more time.
#53296 to #53295 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
Yeah, cracker is certainly not on par with nigger.

Calling someone a 'white devil', however, is getting pretty close.
#53363 to #53296 - byposted (12/08/2013) [-]
Whites should be proud of being called crackers since it reflects racial realities. "Cracker" refers to the sound of a slaveowner's whip on a disobedient Negro's buttocks. That Blacks no longer deal with literal "crackers," propelling them to be productive, has much to do with their current impoverishment.

Picture related. A black man after being whipped by a "cracker."
#53294 to #53293 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
I referred him to: www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenagers-poured-gasoline-boy-walking-home-school-set-fire-cops-article-1.1033062

'I'm not saying shit's institutionalised (which it may be in some south-east Asian countries, I don't know), but racism against whites /is/ a thing.'

A little bit later...

'racism has a nuanced definition relating to the structures of power and context in which it is located
it's racial prejudice, combined with institutionalised power
as least in the way the word is used in academic contexts
like eg. if two homosexuals went out and burnt a hetero to death simply because he was hetero would you argue that heterophobia exists?
no because the hegemonic power is held by heterosexuality
even though, yes, it is prejudiced behaviour

'When we talk about racism, we're talking about the Western world.
Where whiteness is constructed as the norm, as desirable, as the transcendent Cartesian self
It may be different in South Africa but I don't know'

So, libertarianism is raycis. Apparently.
User avatar #53318 to #53294 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Whiteness is definitely not the norm in North America.
I'd go as to say its the complete opposite in most places.
User avatar #53384 to #53318 - oxan (12/08/2013) [-]
Elaborate, if you wouldn't mind.
User avatar #53391 to #53384 - lulzforhiroshima (12/08/2013) [-]
It's basically what i said below. It's become the norm to be anti-white and hate on white people for whatever reason you find.
User avatar #53297 to #53294 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
that would be heterophobia.....

but I still don't see what that has to do with libertarianism
User avatar #53298 to #53297 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
From discussions with others, libertarianism is allegedly white supremacist because whites are already in a place of privilege and libertarianism somehow secures that.
User avatar #53322 to #53298 - lulzforhiroshima (12/07/2013) [-]
Whites aren't really that much in a place of privilege. Like I've said above, our culture has become all about being anti-white. Generalizing republicans not that i am one and anyone against the opinion of the "multicultural media". One beautiful example is Zimmerman.
I don't see how libertarianism relates to this?
User avatar #53385 to #53322 - oxan (12/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, Zimmerman is a perfect example of a race issue coming out of nothing.

And, like, I disagree with libertarianism, but calling it inherently white supremacist is dumb as shit.
User avatar #53299 to #53298 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
Milton Friedman - Minorities and Government nonsense
User avatar #53300 to #53299 - oxan (12/07/2013) [-]
I see flaws in the argument, but I don't feel like debating tonight. Really, I just wanted to hear the opinions of others on the board. Now that it looks like we're getting close to being at odds, I should stop discussing the topic.
User avatar #53301 to #53300 - pebar (12/07/2013) [-]
at least be both can acknowledge the problem exists, even if we differ in the means of dealing with it
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