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User avatar #49599 - pebar ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
ITT: Drugs

It looks like a majority of the population supports legalizing weed. What do you guys think about legalizing other drugs though? If you legalize meth and allow for industrial production, the price will plummet and all the methheads will OD, thus no more meth heads; not to mention the decrease in violent trafficking. However according to the law of demand, when you decrease the price of a good, more people will enter the market. Do you think only stupid people would start meth if it were legalized? Do you think rehab for drug addiction should be subsidized since it's very difficult for people to beat drug addiction on their own? Do you think the money saved from ending the war on drugs would pay for the subsidies for rehab. Do you think drug trafficking is the primary source of revenue for gangs? And finally, do you think other countries would hate us since drugs would like flow into other countries more than they already do?
User avatar #49606 to #49599 - arisaka (10/23/2013) [-]
only if you can create a safe haven for people to do these drugs safely and in a manner where it is not destructive to anyone else.

I don't know if you guys have seen/dealt with that kind of environment before, but substance abuse and dependency is terrifying,
User avatar #49604 to #49599 - undeadwill (10/23/2013) [-]
Legalize most of them.
User avatar #49600 to #49599 - mykoira (10/22/2013) [-]
Well, it's their own body, and if it would be done right they The government could get pretty good tax moneys. But on the other hand drugs are proven to cause schizophrenia, and treating that would cost more than we get from taxes. And then there is those 'hard-core' drugs, like 'Bath salts' and shit that makes you crazy.
#49576 - cabbagemayhem (10/22/2013) [-]
Guns must be banned at schools, otherwise there might be shootings. And, who could trust someone like this to have a gun?
User avatar #49592 to #49576 - akkere (10/22/2013) [-]
Agreed, anyone who wears those kinds of shades in 2013 is clearly up to no good.
#49583 to #49576 - pebar ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
you're not very convincing
you're not very convincing
#49574 - CapnInterwebz (10/22/2013) [-]
>tfw you realize the NSA hasn't stopped their dubious shenanigans and that right now everything will do is still being collected as evidence in case we commit a crime
>tfw you realize the NSA hasn't stopped their dubious shenanigans and that right now everything will do is still being collected as evidence in case we commit a crime
User avatar #49588 to #49574 - beatmasterz (10/22/2013) [-]
Does it matter? If you commit a crime you deserve all the evidence being inflicted upon you.
User avatar #49589 to #49588 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
Assuming that's valid, what if you don't? That "evidence" can still potentially be used against you.
User avatar #49651 to #49589 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Let me put it this way. Why do you think Snowden wasn't welcome in France, UK, Holland, Germany etc. and only in countries like Russia, Ecuador and China? Why wouldn't west europe support Snowden if the information wasn't damaging for themselves?
User avatar #49652 to #49651 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
Because those places are the only ones whose governments both
1.) Didn't consider him a criminal.
2.) Were willing to take the risk of admitting him sanctuary.
User avatar #49653 to #49652 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How do you know that?
User avatar #49654 to #49653 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
It's a possible conclusion, considering those countries's backgrounds, both culturally and politically.

How are you sure of your point?
User avatar #49655 to #49654 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Because, it's against the law for the government to spy on its own people. That's why they don't do that. They don't want to risk any lawsuits.
So how would they retrieve their information then? They spy on Europe and Europe on its turn spies on America, and then they swap information. Both parties benefit from it, and no laws are broken.
User avatar #49656 to #49655 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
Aliens don't land on Earth because none of them can afford a permit. Yay ridiculous yet indisputable assertions!
User avatar #49657 to #49656 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Why is it ridiculous? It's in the news. Snowden is the most wanted man in America right now, so he obviously leaked information that's very damaging.
User avatar #49658 to #49657 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
What part of that implies an international ponzi scheme?
User avatar #49659 to #49658 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How do you think NSA is able to spy on its people without getting sued?
User avatar #49660 to #49659 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
Government shit, it wouldn't be the worst thing the government's done.
User avatar #49661 to #49660 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
Really? Government shit?

By the way I found an article that sums up most of my opinion. It's your call to determine the validity of the telegraph, but I'm sure it has a core of truth in it.

You need to login to view this link You need to login to view this link s-spy-on-everybody-they-just-wont-admit-it/
User avatar #49662 to #49661 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
Holy shit, that article alone looks biased as fuck. It even borders on racist.
User avatar #49663 to #49662 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I admit it's a little biased, but the facts are indesputable. If you want to ignore those and stay in your ivory tower, I can't stop you.
User avatar #49664 to #49663 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
If questioning a racist article without any sources on a website with questionable legitimacy is "Staying in an ivory tower", hand over the elephant tusk cup of wine, brother.
User avatar #49665 to #49664 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I've presented enough evidence and logic and all you have to say for yourself is "that's probably not true". So why are you so convinced they're not all in it?
User avatar #49672 to #49665 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
I hold no value in faulty and unreliable evidence. I'm convinced because there's no good evidence to believe otherwise, or at least not enough to convince me of such a wide reaching conclusion. Also, what does this have to do with whether or not said surveillance is morally right?
User avatar #49694 to #49672 - beatmasterz (10/24/2013) [-]
The evidence is not faulty or unreliable, you're just denying. If someone was murdered and the murder weapon was in someone's appartment, you'd still say "faulty evidence, he probably borrowed it from the killer" or something. Learn to accept.
User avatar #49695 to #49694 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/24/2013) [-]
It would be more like if you said that the weapon was a plastic butter-knife, and found in a McDonald's. Even then, I'd be more likely to say that someone spread ketchup with it.
User avatar #49591 to #49589 - beatmasterz (10/22/2013) [-]
Sure, but it's not like you can stop it. The only reasonable fear we should have of the NSA is when it starts selling its information to private parties. Otherwise I wouldn't give a shit if I were you.
User avatar #49594 to #49591 - akkere (10/22/2013) [-]
Another reason for the fear is in the event that the information is used to blackmail individuals to adhere to interests they may otherwise oppose - e.g. What J. Edgar Hoover did and the FBI under Nixon (And I believe Nixon himself).
User avatar #49593 to #49591 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
I don't fear for my safety, mainly because I'm Canadian but also because I'm not that interesting. Yet if I was American and I was being accused of a crime I didn't commit (Or potentially a major crime that should really be a minor crime such as possession of drugs like marijuana), NSA collected evidence could make all of the difference.

Also, "It's not like you can stop it". Isn't that the whole point of the debate? Whether or not to stop the NSA?
User avatar #49608 to #49593 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
See but that's where you're wrong. The constitution says the American government can't spy on its people, so instead it spies on people in the rest of the world. And the rest of the world spies on america, and then they trade.
User avatar #49609 to #49608 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
That's the whole argument, that the NSA is unconstitutional since it spies on the American people. There's no denying that, at the very least, it monitors Americans. Also, if the NSA was publicly spying on people of other countries, don't you think that the international community would have reacted due to the recent media coverage that it's gotten?
User avatar #49614 to #49609 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
There is denying that, since they don't do that. As I've just explained. Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake, because BREAKING NEWS politicians lie.
User avatar #49640 to #49639 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
X Doubt.
User avatar #49641 to #49640 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I know, what are you in doubt about?
User avatar #49642 to #49641 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
That whole part about the bullshit conspiracy.
User avatar #49643 to #49642 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
I don't remember talking about a conspiracy.
User avatar #49644 to #49643 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
"Also, most western countries agree with NSA's spying and participate in it. Most of their reactions are fake..."
User avatar #49645 to #49644 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
How is that a conspiracy?
User avatar #49646 to #49645 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
conspiracy
kənˈspɪrəsi/Submit
noun
1.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms: plot, scheme, stratagem, plan, machination, cabal; More
User avatar #49647 to #49646 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
It's how you look at it. I'm sure the world leaders didn't secretly convene somewhere to discuss how they're all going to screw over the privacy of the proletarians.
But if you follows the news a bit you keep hearing about "nsa spied on france, nsa spied on un, england spied on germany" etc etc.
User avatar #49648 to #49647 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
I'm not denying that that happened, I'm denying that those other countries were spied on willingly.
User avatar #49649 to #49648 - beatmasterz (10/23/2013) [-]
If you understood dutch I would've shown you a lot of news reports, maybe you can google some for yourself.
User avatar #49650 to #49649 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/23/2013) [-]
Maybe. Maybe as in "Maybe I'll look up porn of a giantess spider Yotsuba".
User avatar #49573 - undeadwill (10/22/2013) [-]
The History of Political Correctness (Complete)

Political correctness history.

I feel more enraged than ever.
User avatar #49580 to #49573 - Shiny (10/22/2013) [-]
Their definition of "politically correct" is a direct component of far-left authoritarianism. In modern politics, it's usually a buzzword for "not belligerent and shameless", just like "racist" means "not burdened with white guilt".
User avatar #49575 to #49573 - lulzforhiroshima (10/22/2013) [-]
i feel like those Frankfurt school assholes and Markuzo stoop onto a level as close as Hitler or Stalin. What pieces of shit....
User avatar #49669 to #49575 - bypest (10/23/2013) [-]
Hitler and Stalin were neither cultural Marxists. Unless you're speaking of "evil."
User avatar #49697 to #49669 - lulzforhiroshima (10/24/2013) [-]
no shit im speaking of evil dumbass....
User avatar #49563 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
Muslim Russia
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/20/pipes-muslim-russia/
www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/21/us-russia-blast-idUSBRE99K08G20131021

A Russian commentator he quotes envisions a mosque on Red Square in Moscow. The facile assumption that Moscow is and will remain Western-oriented “is no longer valid,” he argues.
>Russia
>Ever Western-oriented

hahaha...russia, you want constantinople? too bad! here bomb! fuck u!

Civilization V OST | Suleiman War Theme | Ceddin Deden
User avatar #49562 - tredbear (10/22/2013) [-]
The Great soviet song!  Любовь, Комсомол и Весна

jewishcommunazi, tell us on what you think about the Soviet Union. I am interested to know.

User avatar #49581 to #49562 - jewishcommunazi (10/22/2013) [-]
I'm not completely sure, but I'm not a fan of dictatorships. I don't like how they tried to impose their "style of socialism" on other socialist coutries (satellite countries) and I also don't like some things they've done after Stalin's ruling. Destalinization was great, taking away decision making from the citizens to a revisionist government elite wasn't.
User avatar #49570 to #49562 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
It is my scholarly opinion that the state was an irrelevancy for much of its history. When you or people like you rave about the USSR, you can only post videos of military parades or military songs. Indeed, there is nothing else to post. Look at feely's post below mine. The USSR relied on the military to make it a European power post-WWII. They could afford to build WMDs, but not import bananas.

And yet, the threat of the USSR was always an exaggeration. Modernity got rid of the horrid form of Asiatic despotism which Lenin brought to the world.

0/10 state. The Russian socialists and liberals who helped hoist the Bolsheviks to power through their own ignorance got a well deserved death in the Gulags.
User avatar #49582 to #49570 - jewishcommunazi (10/22/2013) [-]
>Implying Lenin had anything to do with estabilishing a hostile military authority.
User avatar #49596 to #49582 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
He did write some libertarian-oriented literature early in his career but so did Stalin write about the virtues of autonomy. It is the goal to look at what he actually did as opposed to said, especially if we are speaking of an ideologue.
User avatar #49595 to #49582 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
He set the precedent for Stalin's rule through oppressive dictatorship. The myth that he "didn't mean to" was born out of Western ignorance.
User avatar #49597 to #49595 - jewishcommunazi (10/22/2013) [-]
What "didn't he mean to"?
User avatar #49666 to #49597 - bypest (10/23/2013) [-]
Objectively, Lenin created a police state more oppressive than that of Plehve. You cannot debate this, but you can talk about his motives. If he was forced to, given the circumstances, create a police state or not...

In my opinion, that he did not liberalize the political structure after the civil war, only having made it more restrictive, attests to his character and discredits any "civil war" argument.
User avatar #49670 to #49666 - jewishcommunazi (10/23/2013) [-]
It could be justified by the increasing tensions among the different revolutionaries themselves, but to tell the truth, it was partially Lenin's fault that they increased anyway.
User avatar #49671 to #49670 - bypest (10/23/2013) [-]
It could also apply to society. Russia was a country with many different interests at play. Liberal Democracy was unsuitable for the country, not to say that the power of the Autocrat couldn't have been tuned down.

Simply put, a majority of the people of Russia did not support the Bolshevik Party. Many residents of the cities felt that the Bolsheviks hijacked the Revolution, as they did.
#49572 to #49570 - tredbear (10/22/2013) [-]
what makes you think that I was pissing my self over the USSR?

what I enjoy to listen to does not determine my political preference.

Just because I listen to Sausa, does that make me a full on American patriot?
Or if I listen to the folk songs made by the soldiers of the third reich, does that make me a nazi?
Or even if I just listen to the music of the CCCP, does that make me a communist?

all I did was post a video ans a question towards jewishcommunazi

is that the act of genocide? no, it's not.
User avatar #49577 to #49572 - lulzforhiroshima (10/22/2013) [-]
awhhhhh did he hurt your feelings for commenting on a post not directed to him?
#49590 to #49579 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
Am I not alone here in my enjoyment of YTP?
Am I not alone here in my enjoyment of YTP?
User avatar #49569 to #49562 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/22/2013) [-]
I like their music.
#49549 - thatguyontheright (10/21/2013) [-]
Mfw

I am a registered Republican, Do not believe in god, believes in evolution, and people think I am a communist because think that with some work, ACA could work. Romneycare works in Massachusetts, and ACA was modeled after RC.
User avatar #49568 to #49549 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
Obama's string of websites costed taxpayers hundreds of millions. The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency...

The website debacle is an omen as such. If state I love Justin Bieber. I'm his #1 fan. I love cock so bad. Oh god, please give it to me. istrators cannot manage to associate themselves with the private sector in regards to making websites and running proper servers, how can it manage to work with the healthcare industry?

Unless you a welfare negro, what are you thinking in your assertion that the bureaucratization of healthcare will do any good? I am getting throw up in my mouth just thinking about those cubicle pencil pushers...
User avatar #49598 to #49568 - thatguyontheright (10/22/2013) [-]
If Rockstar couldn't get GTA Online right day one, how can anyone expect the federal government to?
User avatar #49675 to #49598 - bypest (10/24/2013) [-]
Their string of websites are a disaster. It's completely inefficient, like all liberal big government programs seem to be.

User avatar #49676 to #49675 - thatguyontheright (10/24/2013) [-]
Isn't it ironic that the Neo-cons are complaining that the ACA website doesn't work?
User avatar #49677 to #49676 - bypest (10/24/2013) [-]
It doesn't change the fact that this is a bureaucratic disaster. Look at that code, a good example of government efficiency. Who the hell did the government pay millions to do that clusterfuck?
User avatar #49682 to #49677 - thatguyontheright (10/24/2013) [-]
Like any piece of software, there are bound to be kinks to be ironed out.
User avatar #49713 to #49682 - badsamaritan (10/24/2013) [-]
Kinks? Dude a small team of people could create this site, tested, and working fully while using less than 20 million and they could do it in under a year. The site it shit and with the amount they spent on this project someone must have been milking the cash cow.
User avatar #49554 to #49549 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
How do you think it could be changed?
User avatar #49559 to #49554 - thatguyontheright (10/21/2013) [-]
The smallest of businesses, under 50 employees are technically exempt from having to provide an insurance option, expand that number. Under RC, it was 100 employees. The fines are too high, over $2k per employee.

The individual mandate serves a purpose, but push that back till insurance is actually cheaper.

Also a paper and phone option for signing up should have been there since the get go, and the site and servers should have been tested properly. If Rockstar couldn't get GTA Online going properly day one, how can we expect the fed to?

I am currently signed up because the company I work for does offer insurance but it is too expensive...it would be unusable as the deductible is 2/3 my yearly salary.
User avatar #49561 to #49559 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
1. you're increasing the cost of business which comes out as either lower wages or higher unemployment

2. When you increase demand like that, price can only go up. The individual mandate exists to give insurance companies profits to make up for government banning charging higher prices for preexisting conditions. Basically the healthy pay for the sick.

3. millions of people are trying to sign up at the same time; it would be even slower than it is now..... the government has no incentive to provide a decent product so of course it's going to be shit.

4. wut?
User avatar #49550 to #49549 - jewishcommunazi (10/21/2013) [-]
What's ACA?
User avatar #49552 to #49550 - thatguyontheright (10/21/2013) [-]
Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare.
User avatar #49553 to #49552 - jewishcommunazi (10/21/2013) [-]
It doesn't seem very "affordable" to me.
Hueahuehuahe...
User avatar #49551 to #49550 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
Obamacare
User avatar #49548 - jewishcommunazi (10/21/2013) [-]
Any thoughts on technocracy?
User avatar #49547 - undeadwill (10/21/2013) [-]
How Teachers Unions Hurt Schools: Prager University
User avatar #49565 to #49547 - bypest (10/22/2013) [-]
The problem with performance based pay is that performance is standardized. Can you blame a teacher in Chicongo for having a class full of apes, unable and unwilling to do any work? You can blame him for striking and coercing the city to provide higher pay, but that a symptom of a broken system which goes deeper than the issue of seniority pay. I remember hearing an ad about the poor teachers needing more pay so that they can better provide for the chillens during the big strike last year. Bullshit.

The problem with schools is mandatory attendance. When you speak of "performance," children are forced to go to school and many do not have a motive for study as such. Public Schools are very unlike institutions of higher learning in which most pupils understand the need to actually study given their investment. However, many that do attend such institutions delude themselves with Obama's wish for everybody to go to get a degree. It just doesn't work that way.

Public Schools should cease being "Public" in the sense they are today. I certainly don't need state-school diversity, and have learned more about the world by my own means. Schools should still exist to provide the basics of knowledge to the youth, which is needed in all modern societies, but this standardized curriculum that exists until legal adulthood benefits nobody. It ruins the childhood of generations without need.

Once the Federal Government gets out of the schools, we will see a better performing system which will benefit us much greater than the liberal policy of simply pouring money into everything; in this case the modern education system. When Republicans try to reform the system by recognizing that pay=/=performance, you hear all this moaning about evil Republicans hating education. It's pitiful.

tl;dr unions are a symptom of the federal government involving itself in education
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User avatar #49543 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
David Mitchell - Economy Vs Human Tragedy
#49542 - DasSpiel (10/21/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
Bill Whittle on The Narrative: The origins of Political Correctness
User avatar #49545 to #49542 - undeadwill (10/21/2013) [-]
Okay I'm rustled.
User avatar #49540 - CapnInterwebz (10/21/2013) [-]
It's getting to the point where impossible policy gridlock is more common than not. It doesn't matter whether it's the hardcore liberals or the hardcore conservatives that take the Oval Office, or the majority in Congress, or even the courts, because regardless half the country won't be represented. This country won't operate well for much longer if we don't elect a moderate of some sort in 2016.
#49525 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
Give me one good reason I should fallow/care about popular opinions in society.
#49539 to #49525 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
fallow   
ˈfaləʊ/Submit   
adjective   
1.   
(of farmland) ploughed and harrowed but left for a period without being sown in order to restore its fertility or to avoid surplus production.   
"incentives for farmers to let land lie fallow"   
   
   
Pardon?
fallow
ˈfaləʊ/Submit
adjective
1.
(of farmland) ploughed and harrowed but left for a period without being sown in order to restore its fertility or to avoid surplus production.
"incentives for farmers to let land lie fallow"


Pardon?
User avatar #49529 to #49525 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
Why Are Voters So Uninformed? If you are entertained by your own rage, politics is something you should read up on. If you want to remain in blissful ignorance, stay away and don't worry about it.
User avatar #49528 to #49525 - teoberry (10/21/2013) [-]
Because you'll look like a fucking good.
User avatar #49530 to #49528 - teoberry (10/21/2013) [-]
*goof
User avatar #49532 to #49530 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
And bad how?
#49534 to #49532 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
There will always be someone who hates you for your political views.
User avatar #49535 to #49534 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
And how is that bad?
User avatar #49536 to #49535 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
Just be aware of it if you want to be politically active.
User avatar #49537 to #49536 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
That's surrounding
Or a tactic

I'm talking personal level
User avatar #49538 to #49537 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
On a personal level, be aware that all decisions have trade offs. If you want to stay informed on current events, just know that your time could be used doing more productive things.

Do you just want to know what your political philosophy is? If so, I suppose we could help you with that.
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#49521 - pebar ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
#49526 to #49521 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
I think it's a good idea incomplete
It doesn't work at all, but if they actually tweaked with it more it might actually work
User avatar #49527 to #49526 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
care to elaborate?
User avatar #49531 to #49527 - kokai (10/21/2013) [-]
Insurance in itself isn't exactly good at times
It can be great for critical damage so they pay more
But the percentage for just a checkup is kinda a bit ehh, but I think it's good for the perk to pay less for critical damage

Forcing them to have it isn't either gonna help our "poor" side of the population, all it's doing is having them spend more than they may actually gain
Even the fine is outrageous, I think
You're just increasing taxes without saying it is taxes, and we really don't need $500 taxes
But I honestly don't know much about it, and what I hear I really just don't think it's really done
Don't outbalance it
User avatar #49533 to #49531 - pebar ONLINE (10/21/2013) [-]
Milton Friedman - The Free Lunch Myth I think this is a good starting point if you want to get interested in politics.

#49524 to #49521 - feelythefeel ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
Problem: People can't afford food because you're forcing them to buy other things they can't afford.    
   
Solution: Force people to buy food.
Problem: People can't afford food because you're forcing them to buy other things they can't afford.

Solution: Force people to buy food.
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User avatar #49517 - jewishcommunazi (10/20/2013) [-]
ITT: World powers without criminal external policies.
#49518 to #49517 - pebar ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
How do you think they got to be world powers?
How do you think they got to be world powers?
User avatar #49519 to #49518 - jewishcommunazi (10/20/2013) [-]
At least I tried.
#49516 - pebar ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
Boorshwazy: "Damn, I wish I could exploit my workers for more profits but then my competition who pays his workers better will get all the workers. If only we could collude we could get better wages. But too bad that selfish asshat always breaks the deal to maximize his own profits. I hate Nash equilibriums; feels bad man..."
User avatar #49782 to #49516 - oxan (10/25/2013) [-]
Value isn't created in exchange.

If Company B pays high wages, and Company A beings to lose workers, then Company A will simply have to increase wages, too. Back at square on.

While Company B is getting more workers, and may have a higher output of goods, they're still not necessarily going to be making higher profits.

The key is in increasing surplus value. If surplus value is not increased in proportion, profit tends to fall.
User avatar #49788 to #49782 - pebar ONLINE (10/25/2013) [-]
Not necessarily higher profits for more workers, no, because efficiency of using capital decreases for each additional worker; for example, it would be inefficient to have 10 workers using 1 frying pan at the same time. This is law of diminishing marginal returns. The profit (not revenue) maximizing point of a business is when marginal cost, the wage given to the worker, is equal to the marginal revenue, the value of the output they produce. It is not profitable to hire more workers past that point because they wouldn't be adding net profits.

Also, value is created in exchange. Capitalism is not a zero-sum game where one person's win is another's loss. The only reason a person would voluntarily trade is if they believed they were better off from the transaction. If you were losing something in the transaction, you would not consent.
User avatar #49511 - pebar ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
ITT: How do you think America's ginormous size affects its policies?
User avatar #49512 to #49511 - pebar ONLINE (10/20/2013) [-]
size by land area, not population
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