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#19419 - europe (10/19/2014) [-]
Is it just me or is the hardest part about building mass the diet part?
User avatar #19470 to #19419 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
Your diet while building mass is the easy part.
User avatar #19431 to #19419 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
Well I mean you need mass to gain mass.
So its basically like the only part.
User avatar #19425 to #19419 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]

Eating during bulking gets really boring. I'm lazy in that regard
User avatar #19421 to #19419 - europe (10/19/2014) [-]
btw am I the only one who gets a huge craving for sweet stuff after eating brown rice?
#19415 - bitchletsgo (10/19/2014) [-]
Hi fit, got a story to share with you.   
Recently I stared going to gym, ran a bunch on treadmill and workout a bit in general. One day I find out I can train for one hour with personal coach for free, said fuck it why not. So this giant ass mountain of a man approaches me and puts me on some sort of weighting device. Tells me I have basiclly more fat on my arms then legs, thought to myself "Ye dude that ain't right I can lift some". Guess what I can't, guy showed me how to  work with my upper body properly and long story short it's 3 days after that workout and I'm still dying.   
Also gonna visit this board more often since I finally have something to talk about.
Hi fit, got a story to share with you.
Recently I stared going to gym, ran a bunch on treadmill and workout a bit in general. One day I find out I can train for one hour with personal coach for free, said fuck it why not. So this giant ass mountain of a man approaches me and puts me on some sort of weighting device. Tells me I have basiclly more fat on my arms then legs, thought to myself "Ye dude that ain't right I can lift some". Guess what I can't, guy showed me how to work with my upper body properly and long story short it's 3 days after that workout and I'm still dying.
Also gonna visit this board more often since I finally have something to talk about.
User avatar #19446 to #19415 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
lactic acid from muscles you werent hitting properly?
User avatar #19428 to #19415 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
Personal Trainers are trash. Never use them, especially if he has you use machines of any sort as a novice lifter.
User avatar #19471 to #19428 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
MOST personal trainers are trash. If this personal trainer was a mountain of a man like he described, he probably knew what he was doing when it came to working out properly. I'd be worried if it was some guy who looked like he never worked out in his life.
User avatar #19485 to #19471 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
No, they don't. You can do whatever you want on steroids and as long as you eat a lot, you get big.

User avatar #19496 to #19485 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
You're assuming he was on steroids. Not every guy over 200 pounds is on steroids.
User avatar #19520 to #19496 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
What I am saying is that it is incredibly rare to find a PT that actually knows what he is doing. American PT certification is very easy to achieve which is the problem. From my uni gym to Gold's Gym, they tend to promote bad form.

If he were to know what he was doing and was big, he could be natty, but if he just has OP doing random exercises that aren't compounds like squats, bench, ohp, deadlift, etc. and he's large, he's probably on juice.
User avatar #19578 to #19520 - bitchletsgo (10/21/2014) [-]
I live in Poland
User avatar #19522 to #19520 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
Becoming a personal trainer is super easy, my mom is one and to be honest she's a pure runner and body pump person. Doesn't know a thing about getting strong or some things that people want.

But saying that there are none is silly. There are plenty of good ones if you know where to look. Go to Westside gyms, or some smaller hardcore gyms that's don't have such a big membership rate, and you'll see guys who know how to get big and strong. But the amount of people thought to be on steroids compared to how many actually are is pretty ridiculous.
User avatar #19480 to #19471 - bitchletsgo (10/20/2014) [-]
Ye I never been into lifting but he seemed educated on this stuff and actually cared about how I worked out
User avatar #19486 to #19480 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
If you've never been into lifting, anyone with any rudimentary knowledge of lifting will appear "educated" to you on "this stuff"
User avatar #19414 - marmiteistasty (10/19/2014) [-]
Hiya /fitness/.
I'm looking for a rough plan on how a friend and I can get a bunch more fit. We've got pretty much opposite body types, so I'm gonna need two separate plans, I think.
I'm trying to lose weight, and I'm gonna start on a zero junk food diet this week, since I've heard that weight loss is mostly dieting with some exercise. I'm not too heavy, about 170lbs, but I'm also not that tall, only like 5'8. Any ideas on the kinds of exercises that I should be doing?

My friend is pretty skinny and is trying to earn some muscle. I've got no idea what he should be eating or what kind of exercises he should be doing to reach that goal, so I've gotta rely on you guys completely for this. He's pretty short, a couple inches shorter than me, like 5'5.

Anyway, if you guys can help a beginner out, I'd be mighty thankful. By the way, is a gym membership really necessary? I'm just afraid that I won't ever have time to go since I have like 35 hours of class a week. If it's really integral to losing weight, I suppose I can always make time. Thanks, guys.
User avatar #19430 to #19414 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
You don't need different workouts. Just do a novice weightlifting routine like Starting Strength, Stronglifts 5x5, or Greyskull LP.

For dieting, avoid fad diets like "no bread diet" or "no X diet". Sure, cutting out junk food is great, but it is more effective to find your TDEE (number of calories you burn a day) and subtract 500 from that number and then eat that every day. Your friend should do the opposite as in calculate his TDEE, add 500 to it, and eat that everyday.

You can find these calculators online
User avatar #19440 to #19430 - marmiteistasty (10/19/2014) [-]
Thanks, dood.
#19413 - anonymous (10/19/2014) [-]
How do i increase my stamina without losing muscle? The only way of increasing stamina i know of is running. My main aim is to burn fat and i'm worried about losing some mass. Not that i'm big, but i don't wanna lose what little i've gained.
User avatar #19447 to #19413 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
its been shown that to minimize muscle loss during a lot of cardio/weight loss, just make sure to keep lifting weights and eating enough protein to sustain that muscle
#19432 to #19413 - KungFuZerO (10/19/2014) [-]
Regular cardio has been shown to decrease power, so you don't have to really worry. Just make sure you're keeping you're eating up, especially protein.
User avatar #19429 to #19413 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
Both answers you've gotten so far are correct

However, don't do excessive cardio because then you will lose mass. I'd stick to sprinting.
User avatar #19417 to #19413 - lordketchup (10/19/2014) [-]
#19437 to #19417 - anonymous (10/19/2014) [-]
how much sprinting?
User avatar #19512 to #19437 - lordketchup (10/20/2014) [-]
a little bit
User avatar #19416 to #19413 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
Running supplemented with lifting won't make you lose mass.
#19385 - mion (10/19/2014) [-]
Hey fitness side of FJ, I need your help urgently.

So, about me: I'm 20 y/o, college student with a rather tight schedule (30h/week university, about the same to twice that amount for revising and shit). I'm about 1.76 - 1.78m in height and, last time I weighed, it was something around 116 - 117kg.
As you can see (pic related, it's me, ignore the joggers, they're comfy) and maybe guess, it wouldn't do much harm to me losing some weight, for several reasons, while top priority is my sister's wedding in probably about half a year.

So, my meals consist mainly of proteins (e.g. scrambled eggs with leguminous plants for breakfast/lunch, meat + vegetables for dinner), however, I'm still having a hard af time losing weight, meaning that I didn't lose much in... I think it's been 3 weeks now.

As for sports I'm doing functional training, but since that doesn't yield visible results, I assume that I should go to the gym more regularly - which is my biggest problem. I just can't find the motivation necessary to walk the 3km to the gym (or wait for a bus) to work out for an hour or two.

Anyway, any tips on how to get a little more lean (and less big), so I don't look like a dumpling in a suit?
User avatar #19426 to #19385 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
What lordketchup said. Your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) is the amount of calories you burn in a day. You can find this by using the many online TDEE calculators. Fatter people have higher TDEEs because they have to maintain their weight.

Once you have this number, subtract 500 from it, and eat that every day and you'll lose weight. However, you will stop eventually because that number - 500 will now be your new TDEE, so just repeat the process until you stop losing weight again.

Also I recommend looking up "Greyskull LP" for a good beginner routine, or you can try out one called "Starting Strength"
User avatar #19400 to #19385 - lordketchup (10/19/2014) [-]
start counting calories

Calculate your TDEE
subtract 500
that's how many calories you have to eat in a day
User avatar #19383 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
I need some expertise here. I'm in bad health, but not too fat (80kg, I think). I have begun working out, and I'm easily trained. I have really weak bones, and some other problems. My goal is a slow grind into being fit, not super ripped, with great cardio.

I can't do more than 5 push ups at a time if I want to do a lot of push ups that day. The after effects of push ups lasts for hours, over a day if I push it really far. I can hype myself up to do 20~ in a row, but just under 10 without any adrenaline.

I will always have some issues making things harder, but I can exercise some of it away, and make the rest less important know from experience

My questions are these:
How good are "girl push ups"? I might be able to do more of those, but not sure how effective.
I do other exercises, but what exercises do you guise recommend?
User avatar #19473 to #19383 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
If you can do pushups then stick to those, the only reason you'd need to do pushups off your knees is because you can't do a regular pushup.

Just try to do more pushups to build upper body strength. So like 3 sets of 10 pushups and put in either 5 more pushups a set every week or add in another set of 10.

Make sure you do some kind of pullup or assisted pullup exercise to keep your back stronger too. You don't want to have a muscle imbalance from just having the muscles involved with pushups worked.
User avatar #19449 to #19383 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
I personally wouldn't recommend "girl pushups" bc theyre not really push ups at that point. I would say as long as your form is right, and your body weight isnt affecting your wrists while you do the pushup, just continue doing your pushups and you will get better.

btw, do you do sets of pushups? I recommend that.
User avatar #19395 to #19383 - nefarian ONLINE (10/19/2014) [-]
If you've barely done pushups before, then you need to keep going until your arms get used to your bodyweight. It might take a few days, though.
User avatar #19396 to #19395 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
I've done tons of push ups before. I'm in quite a unique situation, which is why I'm uncertain.

I'm sticking to push ups, for now. Just wondering if push ups with knees in the ground, in larger quantities would be better.
#19433 to #19396 - KungFuZerO (10/19/2014) [-]
If you really want to do knee pushups, do them after regular pushups, like a drop set. I would recommend doing dumbbell bench press if you want to increase your chest/tricep strength with a lower weight.
#19379 - mrsexyhunk (10/19/2014) [-]
Anyone tried modafinil before? Not really a fitness thing but its a smart drug that is supposed to increase concentration and create a kind of tunnel vision for the tasks you have to do so you dont get distracted (schoolwork and such). Anyone have any experience with it?
#19376 - meatyvic (10/19/2014) [-]
Hey guys, I'm really new here.
I'm a girl who's very overweight and I've been going to the gym for a few weeks now (around 3-4 times a week)
I really hate cardio, so i usually do them once a week only. The rest are machines.
I want to lift weights, but my gym only has 17.5 kg and above dumbbells. There are 6 kg ones, but they're very light :/
I can't really lift those 17.5 kg ones and sometimes I get really scared to use the weights because i really have low self esteem. So I retreat to the machines area.

So what to do funnyjunk? Any advice on losing weight?
User avatar #19474 to #19376 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
Everyone has the diet part covered, but if you can do Strength Training, that'd be awesome. Most girls have a terrible amount of muscle mass and have a lower metabolism as a result. Work out with weights, build some muscle, raise your metabolism and it'll make losing fat that much easier. Plus eventually you can dedicate your workouts to actually building muscle and you'll build a very strong and sexy physique.
#19494 to #19474 - anonymous (10/20/2014) [-]
I think I don't really have the diet part covered... I sometimes over eat...
I don't drink soda, prefer unsweetened tea, milk or coffee though.

I love strength training, but I don't really like cardio and such. Except for swimming though if i had to be honest.
User avatar #19499 to #19494 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
I meant that everyone had already talked about diet. Listen to what everyone's saying here and you'll be fine.
User avatar #19451 to #19376 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
Oh, and I give you a strong word of caution when it comes to working out/running bc if you are very overweight, the running/weight lifting will affect your already stressed joints and bones, and you are more prone to injury. Go on long walks through the park, listen to some music or an audio book, and work a sweat. Remember to listen to your body and not injure yourself!
User avatar #19498 to #19451 - marinepenguin (10/20/2014) [-]
Strength training won't hurt her joints.
User avatar #19553 to #19498 - jayfizzle (10/21/2014) [-]
overweight people have a huge strain on their bones and joints, and if she begins weight training it could add even more strain and injure her.
User avatar #19554 to #19553 - marinepenguin (10/21/2014) [-]
They have more problems with they're joints because they're fat, true. But weightlifting strengthens the joints and raises their metabolism by increasing their muscle mass. I've never personally heard of anyone who us overweight get injured through weightlifting if they do things properly.
User avatar #19450 to #19376 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
if I think I know what you mean by "very overweight", then most of your weight loss will happen in the kitchen. You need to change your diet asap. This doesnt mean eat less, it just means eat smarter. KungFuZerO has the right idea of types of foods to eat. If you drink soda, I guarantee you if you quit (and dont drink sugary substitutes), your weight will drop 10-20lbs within a month. Good luck getting in shape!
#19492 to #19450 - anonymous (10/20/2014) [-]
Thanks mate im replying through anon right now cause I apparently forgot my password :/

I dislike sugary things like soda except chocolate though. Especially dark chocolate. yum.
#19434 to #19376 - KungFuZerO (10/19/2014) [-]
If you're doing any kind of strength training, thats great.
But the fact of the matter is you're going to lose the most amount of weight in the least amount of time from eating healthier. One easy thing for shopping is to shop around the edges of the grocery store. Fruits and veggies, lean meats (chicken, turkey, fish), and whole grain bread.
User avatar #19427 to #19376 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
don't they have barbells?
#19493 to #19427 - anonymous (10/20/2014) [-]
There are barbells, but I'm really afraid to injure myself as I don't have a spotter.
There are those smith machine thingies, but i rarely use them because people misplace the weights apparently -_-
And they only have like 2 of them there.
User avatar #19495 to #19493 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
You don't need a spotter unless you're doing bench and even then just ask for one or learn how to do the "roll of shame".

Either works
#19497 to #19495 - anonymous (10/20/2014) [-]
what is the roll of shame? ._.
Alright dude Thanks.
User avatar #19519 to #19497 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
it's where you literally roll the bar forward towards the direction of your feet and roll if off yoru body in one quick maneuver

I recommend a spotter though
User avatar #19380 to #19376 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
My dad went from 130kg+ to bout 95kg from just cutting back on coke. (He wasn't less active than anyone else his age, while being super fat, though). He later began skiing during winter, later cycling for a period.

My advice is to cut out most anything that's only unhealthy, I.G chips, chocolate... You can still enjoy some unhealthy dinners every now and again. Also set off time for walks, maybe some cycling. Don't stop going to the gym

Simple changes in lifestyle can do a lot. Don't starve yourself, though.
In Norway, we had an add where several women in a cafeteria was talking about calories, diets, etc.. Then a pretty fit girl walks up and gets some ice cream. The women confront her and ask if she's not worried about the calories or something like that, and how she could keep so fit. "I just walk to work"
Either a fitness add, or a convenient store add, can't remember.

My dad got from super fucking fat to decent, lost more than 40KG in a year with that philosophy.
#19370 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/19/2014) [-]
Alright, I feel like sharing. Again
1 year, 4.5 months
May 2013 > Oct 2014
320lbs > 220lbs
100lb difference
3xl t-shirt > Large t-shirt
48in pant size > 34in pant size
I regret not measuring BFP and other measurements like my waistline before and after Also, let's get this out of the way. Yeah, I look like a tool on the right. Whatever.

I've gotten really far, but I need to switch it up. I lost about 90lbs of fat with an all cardio, calorie counting approach for the first 11 months. I've been lifting and bulking up with my remaining fat for 5 months now cutting another 10lbs in the first month, but now I'm stuck at 220lbs, and my goal is to reach 200. I know how to get there, careful calorie counting without sacrificing the necessary amount of protein and carbohydrates I need daily. I just need the motivation and a little bit of insight on some things I wanna try.

I'm on a daily, two scoop, musclepharm combat powder protein shake, and I just finished a 30 day creatine cycle that really helped a lot with leaning out. Again, I'm terrible with measurements and progress tracking, but trust me, the creatine helped a ton What I need help with is leaning out the remainder of my fat without compromising the muscle I've built and I have some options in mind I want to get some opinions on.

Option #1
Lean out, using whatever means necessary, (Cardio, fat burners) Without compromising muscle.

Option #2
Keep bulking up using the fat I have, possibly gaining weight in the process before leaning out.

I'm really curious what you think of fat burners and fish oil when it comes to leaning out. Does it work? Should I keep taking the protein shakes with it?

What do you think FJ?

TL;DR Lost weight, bulked up, having trouble leaning out to my desired weight without losing muscle. What do?
User avatar #19420 to #19370 - europe (10/19/2014) [-]
User avatar #19418 to #19370 - lordketchup (10/19/2014) [-]
Holy shit great progress there
#19381 to #19370 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
Stop looking at calories. Stop looking at weight. Stop using anything powdered. Now is your chance to step everything up, the hard part is behind you. Eat more meat, and get a blender.

You have two options if you wish to move forward; go cardio (athletic), or get hella ripped (buff).
The cardio route will make you look more like the pic I had to save and search pictures of half naked men for you. Appreciate. This is for more fun stuff, cycling, x-sports, hiking and all of that good shit.
You can buff up, if you like. Back when I was in HS, I think 15 of the buys in my class actively tried to get big. A popular option, seems like that is what most fitness sites I know like, so I might be wrong about cardio being cool.

If you focus on cardio, you should still train strength regularly (pull-ups are great), preferably several days a week. You're also gonna use your blender a lot more.
If you focus on getting buff, you should still do some cardio. This choice requires a lot of meat, though. Don't neglect your blender.

And again, stop looking at your weight.
User avatar #19443 to #19381 - nefarian ONLINE (10/20/2014) [-]
Could you give me a bit more insight about the blender?
User avatar #19394 to #19381 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/19/2014) [-]
I'm still trying to incorporate a lot of meat along with the powder. Tilapia, Eye of round steak and Chicken breast are the big 3 I normally have. Sometimes I switch it up with Salmon or a fattier steak once in a while. I see the powder as a booster, and i understand it's completely unnecessary. Especially the powder I'm taking, because it claims to have all the aminos that are naturally occurring in the meat.

See, My issue here is that I wanna get bigger, not extremely lean. My friends say I'm gonna be a tank But I am too focused on this leftover flab I have under the shirt. It definitely doesn't build confidence even though it is tons better than having that 100lbs of extra weight. Sounds like I just need to focus on eating better and keeping with the lifting 5 days a week. Minimal cardio? how often would you suggest? because I've heard some people say you need 30min daily, and some say 40min split in two sessions every lift day. It's all overwhelming to be honest.

In the end, my goal is to be big, cut, and strong, but I want to be cardiovascularly strong too.
User avatar #19397 to #19394 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
Take in mind my answer is a bit biased, as I am a cardio fan.

Cardio, mixed with healthy eating is the best way to get rid of excess fat. Push yourself. Hard cardio exercise is A LOT harder than strength exercise for you, simply because of routine.

I just for the sake of getting rid of fat, I would cut back on meat (eat slightly less than an average person), focus on green shit. I really love throwing shit in a blender , and run 'till you're drenched every day (you can substitute running with a variety of options depending on what fits you best). You will most likely see an effect within 7 days.

Put away powdered shit. Only use that for the explicit purpose of gaining weight, and be careful with it.

You can also do much less running, but still some. Simply watch your diet for a while, while still doing serious strength exercise. A big change in what you eat can be hard, if you exercise a lot.
User avatar #19398 to #19397 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/19/2014) [-]
Thanks. I should also add that I want to be big and cut, but I also want to be functional. I'm not a body builder, I don't want to be shredded for the sake of being shredded. I want to be fit and muscular, but also able to Jump really high or be able to do a backflip. those are some odd examples, but I think you get it.

Back to the powder, it's already incorporated into my routine, would it be bad to keep using it and just cut back on some meat, replacing meat with the powder, or should it go entirely? Because the powder has only helped me with building muscle, I haven't gained any fat with it. That's what I want, more muscle. I just want to get rid of the fat and the only way I see that is through cardio and a better diet. I just don't want to lose the muscle I've built, so I'm stuck in the situation of focusing on leaning out, or just keep building muscle with patience and lose the fat over time. I'm leaning towards the latter. I just need to be more patient and fix my nutrition a bit.
User avatar #19399 to #19398 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
Never ever ever replace meat with powder, ever. If it is really hard, cut down on it. Breaking and changing routine can be really hard, but for the sake of losing the fat, at least cut it down.

I recommend putting it away for a week, then consider using it once you're only looking at gains. You can exchange it for some sort of energy bar, if you like.
#19375 to #19370 - anonymous (10/19/2014) [-]
>Keep bulking up using the fat I have, possibly gaining weight in the process before leaning out.

That statement makes no sense at all. You're going to bulk using your current body fat?
User avatar #19392 to #19375 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/19/2014) [-]
I was tired as hell, but what I meant was keep bulking up with the fat eventually going away over time due to muscle burning it in my recovery time.
#19372 to #19370 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
"30 day creatine cycle "

User avatar #19393 to #19372 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/19/2014) [-]
What about that part is funny? I never tried creatine before, so I tried it for 30 days. I noticed that it helped, but I probably won't use it again.
User avatar #19424 to #19393 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
It's not a steroid cycle like you were cycling Tren or Test-e for 30 days which is the only appropriate way of saying you were cycling something in weightlifting because that implies performance enhancers.

You were just using creatine powder which is just a common supplement.
User avatar #19461 to #19424 - chiktikkavaspaus (10/20/2014) [-]
Oh. Well that's how I knew it. Everyone I know who is into fitness, a few that are body builders, say that you need to cycle creatine. I'm new to the world of supplements outside of muscle milk.
User avatar #19487 to #19461 - TokenWhiteKid (10/20/2014) [-]
you can "cycle" creatine as in take it for awhile, gain some weight in water weight, stop, lose the water weight, and then go again, but there really is no need at all to do that. It's just a very common chemical you find in meats.
User avatar #19390 to #19372 - scoobydoobydo (10/19/2014) [-]
I facepalmed. This is why I no longer respond to threads.
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User avatar #19452 to #19360 - jayfizzle (10/20/2014) [-]
super vague. What kind of pain? where on your upper back exactly? does it limit your neck/shoulder movement? when did it occur? have you seen a doctor?
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#19359 - anonymous (10/19/2014) [-]
i wanna take steroids. its impossible for me to make gainz.
i could bulk for months, make good muscle mass, but when it comes to cutting its like i lose all my gainz i made in the bulk?? i actually paid someone to help me out cause i thought i was fucking up, but my metabolism is too fast
someone recommend me to try this steroid called tren 75
i never ever want to use steroids but i want to make gainz so badly. i went onluy looked at all the side effects, but my most concern is what if it goes horribly wrong?
like sometimes id take pre workouts and ill feel like im dying i feel dizzy and light headed, even when i was bulking
my question is, has anyone here experimented with them? if so how did they go?
User avatar #19391 to #19359 - scoobydoobydo (10/19/2014) [-]
You are bound to fail. Don't do it.
User avatar #19374 to #19359 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
It's not impossible for you to make gainz.

You clearly just don't eat enough and probably aren't doing a proper routine.
User avatar #19368 to #19359 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
If you didn't know enough about lifting to successfully bulk and cut, I can't see you taking steroids and it ending well.
User avatar #19363 to #19359 - nefarian ONLINE (10/19/2014) [-]
One sideeffect I can think of is roid rage, but I bet there's much more.
User avatar #19378 to #19363 - brotify (10/19/2014) [-]
"roid rage" just depends on the person, it's like having high test, you'll get easily irritated, but (I hope) most people who are on steroids can keep their cool
#19321 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
I have a love hate relationship with winter. I work out in my garage, so when it starts getting cold around here my workouts also get very cold. Last winter it was -15℉ out here and my hands would stick to the bars. But I also love it because working out in the cold makes me recover very very quickly in between sets and even in between workouts. During the summer I may have to wait 8-10 minutes in between sets of squats or bench because it's 110 outside with humidity. It only takes a minute or two in the winter at most. Could be explained in part by new studies about cold temperatures increasing a hormone called Progesterone (i think that's the name) which helps recovery and muscle growth immensely.

Also, what do you guys think about preworkout? I've taken it on and off whenever I feel tired or unmotivated, and it pumps me up and makes me excited to workout when I need it. I've also been reading interesting things about it actually helping you get more weight during your workouts (energy drinks like monsters, rock stars, and even 5 hours energies have seemed to have the same effect). Seems like a pretty good advantage similar to what creatine does.
#19444 to #19321 - anonymous (10/20/2014) [-]
for me pre workout is a need I take pre workout called mr hyde massive pump
#19361 to #19321 - baglesbites (10/19/2014) [-]
I cant even imagine squatting in sub zero temps. When winter rolls around, my knees are super stiff and I need 10-15 minutes of warm ups before I even touch the bar. As far as pre workouts go, they are nice and help get you into a more focused and intense state, a reliance on the caffeine or other stims is a bit of a double edged sword.
User avatar #19353 to #19321 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
for preworkout just use a nice cup of black coffee

It really wakens up my CNS. Good CNS + me getting pumped verbally before lifts absolutely clears my mind of everything but the lift I'm doing.
User avatar #19357 to #19353 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
I hate coffee. And I don't usually need preworkout, but if I wake up around 430 am to train, I'll need it to wake me up a little bit along with getting me pumped to work out.
#19347 to #19321 - anonymous (10/18/2014) [-]
I have a hate hate relationship with winter, i like being outside doing active stuff not stuck indoors sipping hot cocoa so i'll definitely have some decline in my physique
User avatar #19382 to #19347 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
I have a love/love relationship with winter. I love being out in the cold, when it's dark, but I also like sitting inside sipping coco
User avatar #19349 to #19347 - nefarian ONLINE (10/18/2014) [-]
Exercise at home or at the gym.
User avatar #19348 to #19347 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Then work out inside so you don't lose anything.
User avatar #19346 to #19321 - europe (10/18/2014) [-]
I only just started lifting this summer, so I only have experience with the summer so far. But with previous sports it could be problematic to get through the cold after having exercised, because I'd often end up with a cold.

Never taken pre-workouts, though my breakfast this morning was, as always, oats. Which are apperently pretty good pre-workout according to some sites (the training went great today)
User avatar #19323 to #19321 - studbeefpile (10/18/2014) [-]
First of all, wear gloves in the winter dude....Second of all, I work out in a shed, so I'm in the same boat. Recovery definitely goes better in the Winter. It is the season of gainz after all.

As far as pre-workouts are concerned, I never take them. Ever. Whenever I'm tired/not extremely motivated, I just go out there and once I get started with the warm-ups my energy gets going on it's own.
User avatar #19325 to #19323 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
I have gloves man, I got them before my hands started getting sticky last winter haha. And I stop taking them after a month or two, you get used to it after a while. But they help me ramp up the intensity and have better workouts if I time them well. They have their uses in my opinion.
User avatar #19335 to #19325 - studbeefpile (10/18/2014) [-]
Sure, I wasn't saying nobody should take them ever, I was just saying that I personally don't use them.
User avatar #19336 to #19335 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Nah I get ya. I only take them when I feel like I need a boost. I know a lot of guys who take them every single day and overdo it.
#19322 to #19321 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Also, elevator squats will almost make me throw up every time I do them.

Don't see many photos of peoples wheels around here.
#19293 - Sperit (10/18/2014) [-]
>i wanna get the wii for exersize
>no Sperit do't get the xbox with the 250g hard drive get the kinect so we can exersize
>Sperit go to yoga so we can exersize and get back into shape
#19340 to #19293 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
None of those things will get you in shape.
User avatar #19342 to #19340 - Sperit (10/18/2014) [-]
that is why i used the angry dog picture
User avatar #19290 - studbeefpile (10/18/2014) [-]
To achieve the body of glory, you must train hard and heavy.

The myth that there is a giant separation between training for strength, and training for looks is just that - a myth.

If you progress in strength with heavy compounds (Deadlifts, Bench Press, Squats, Push Press, Weighted Chin Ups), you will put on size as well as strength. How 'shredded' you get is a result of your diet.

I'm sick and fucking tired of this whole "I just train to look good, I don't care about strength" bull shit, especially from beginners. Get strong, and you will look good.

Not to mention, women love a man who is strong as hell.
#19341 to #19290 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
Thats why I stopped going to /fit/
Everybody there thinks that any exercise over 6 reps is going to add 30lbs of muscle mass but won't make you any stronger.
Similar to r/fitness/, but they're better about it
User avatar #19344 to #19341 - studbeefpile (10/18/2014) [-]
I spent the last 2 months doing nothing but sets over 12 on squat, and yesterday I hit my old 1RM for triples and doubles.

Progressive overload builds strength and muscle period.

Now, of course there is such a thing as training your nervous system, and it is possible to grow stronger number-wise without gaining a ton of muscle, but if your 10 rep max increases, your 1 rep max will increase too.
#19345 to #19344 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
I just recently switched back to a hypertrophy routine where each set is heavier with fewer reps, plus a dropset on the end. People call it a bro workout or whatever but my gains are crazy so I'm not complaining haha.
User avatar #19292 to #19290 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
People don't realize you need to reach about an intermediate level of strength before you even start thinking about being a powerlifter or bodybuilder. They also need to realize that power and size are not mutually exclusive. If you are strong, you are also going to be big.
User avatar #19351 to #19292 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
The last part isn't true

There are different types of muscle growth

One makes your muscle cells bigger but not stronger, while the other makes them denser but they stay the same size.

The former is used by bodybuilders while the latter is used by power lifters

I know power lifters and olympic style lifters and they're really crazy strong, but they aren't huge at all.
User avatar #19355 to #19351 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
Yes I am aware of that, but bodybuilders are still going to be strong. Not as strong as a powerlifter, but strong nonetheless. And there have been many strong powerlifters who have also been bodybuilders. To be elite in your category you have to train mainly with one style, but you can be both.
User avatar #19354 to #19351 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
**makes them denser but they stay the same size past a certain point
User avatar #19358 to #19354 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
Ronnie Ronnien was a powerlifter, Mark Rippetoe did both as well. Those are just two off the top of my head. They were both huge dudes when they powerlifted. Lifting in the style of powerlfting does favor cross sectional muscle area adaptations and muscle density over size, but if you have a large muscle like a bodybuilders begin to do that same kind of training it doesn't get smaller. That way you get that bodybuilder muscle having the same cross-sectional area and muscle density adaptation as the pure powerlifer, but with a higher potential for force output. So a bigger powerlifter has more pontential to lift more weight then a smaller one. It's why mixing bodybuilding techniques into powerlifting is super benefitial. Ask studbeefpile, he does a ton of high rep work like bodybuilders do to increase muscle mass and strength.
User avatar #19362 to #19358 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
and they both used steroids during their career which is the part you're missing

User avatar #19364 to #19362 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
Rippetoe didn't juice. Coleman does.
User avatar #19365 to #19364 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
Yes, Rippetoe did.

If you ever even want to dream about competitive powerlifting, you have to juice. He admitted it somewhere on his forum but I can't seem to find it right now
User avatar #19366 to #19365 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
Ive never heard it. And no one in Competitive powerlifting or bodybuilding is clean today. All of them juice.

But You don't need to take steroids to be successful in both bodybuilding and powerlifting. Steroids only enhance the speed at which you recover. HGH helps with massive muscle gains, but has way more negative side effects.
User avatar #19371 to #19366 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
Steroids, depending on the ones you use, also allow your body to maintain higher amounts of muscle mass

There are all kinds out there. Yes you have to take roids to compete otherwise there is no other way because you'll be blown out of the water every time.
User avatar #19367 to #19366 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
If you want to be a successful COMPETITIVE lifter and bodybuilder then yeah, but not just if its a passion. I know lots of guys who could be bodybuilders and are strong as hell.
User avatar #19298 to #19292 - studbeefpile (10/18/2014) [-]
Damn straight.
User avatar #19291 to #19290 - nefarian ONLINE (10/18/2014) [-]
Good thing I'm aiming for both.
User avatar #19257 - lieutenantbuzzkill (10/17/2014) [-]
What are good exercises to loose stomach fat? I'm sorry if i sound like a fag
User avatar #19439 to #19257 - nsfwcontent (10/19/2014) [-]
-Go for a jog
-Eat less shit
User avatar #19339 to #19257 - leal (10/18/2014) [-]
Put fork downxf
User avatar #19276 to #19257 - alicorn (10/18/2014) [-]
eat healthier, that's the only way
User avatar #19277 to #19276 - the one and only (10/18/2014) [-]
Should of reccommended healthy fats, like avocado or olives and olive oils.
User avatar #19280 to #19277 - alicorn (10/18/2014) [-]
i would had i known, i'm still new to all this myself
User avatar #19281 to #19280 - the one and only (10/18/2014) [-]
See with healthy fats, they don't get stored as fat, you just burn through it, even though it's like 1 gram = 9 calories.

I try and neglect carbs after 3-4 pm because as you sleep obvs to say you're body will slow down and burn less and those carbs will be stored as fat.

I try and aim for just meat, veggies and fruit diet these days, with carbs in the morning only.

I'm kinda new to this whole thing as well, safe to say, if you heat up oils, it changes that's why it's fattening.

Also the peppery olive oil taste, the healthier, ahahaha.
User avatar #19285 to #19281 - TokenWhiteKid (10/18/2014) [-]
all this broscience

just calculate tdee (how many calories you burn in a day) using tdee calculators online

then subtract 500 from that number and eat that everyday
User avatar #19288 to #19285 - the one and only (10/18/2014) [-]
I would be doing that, but I ain't so focus on weight loss.

But I'll keep that in mind, cheers, mang.
User avatar #19282 to #19281 - the one and only (10/18/2014) [-]
Feel free to correct me anyone, I'm still a scrub at dieting.
#19265 to #19257 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
Biggest gym myth ever = crunches burn belly fat

Theres not such thing as spot treatment. You lose fat from everywhere. To lose stomach fat (and therefore fat from all over your body) decrease your caloric intake and do cardio and strength training 2x/week each.
Remember, a deficit of 3500kcal per week = 1lb of fat lost
#19248 - leal (10/17/2014) [-]
How do I into handstand>handstand pushups?
How do I into handstand>handstand pushups?

User avatar #19333 to #19248 - lulzformalaysiaair (10/18/2014) [-]
I fucking hate this gif, I've spent a good 5 minutes mindlessly looking at it for no reason at all.
User avatar #19337 to #19333 - leal (10/18/2014) [-]
No offense but I don't really care.
User avatar #19278 to #19248 - the one and only (10/18/2014) [-]
Start from assisted hand stand push ups to get use to your body weight.
Hold your self on a wall your use to your weight pushing down wards.
Then learn to balance.

I thought you were going for a cut look, calisthenic work outs might take a while to build muscle.
User avatar #19295 to #19278 - leal (10/18/2014) [-]
I'm visiting my grandparents for a week.
If I can't find a gym with cheap 1 entry I'd like to at least try and keep a bit in shape.
#19264 to #19248 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
Do it against a wall first. Two feet on the wall > one foot on the wall > just using the wall if you lose balance
User avatar #19251 to #19248 - mendelevium (10/17/2014) [-]
Why would you want to?
User avatar #19256 to #19251 - leal (10/17/2014) [-]
Why wouldn't you?
User avatar #19263 to #19256 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
because overhead press works the same muscles, and you don't look like an idiot when you do it.
User avatar #19294 to #19263 - leal (10/18/2014) [-]
That's just stupid.

Sounds like people who say you shouldn't do squats because only girls should care about their glutes.
User avatar #19300 to #19294 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
But that isn't the reason.
Still workout your shoulders, by all means go ahead.

But if I'm doing bicep curls over by the free weights and you flip yourself on your hands to start doing handstand push ups, im gana laugh, and after that if you cant keep your balance and you fall on me, I'll knock your ass out.

Its a lot more complicated then it needs to be.
User avatar #19338 to #19300 - leal (10/18/2014) [-]
Go be 12 somewhere else.
User avatar #19369 to #19338 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
I don't like to stand on my head and injure myself and possibly other people.

So I must be 12.
User avatar #19377 to #19369 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
You obviously haven't read the thread at all so why are you still responding to me?
User avatar #19401 to #19377 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
So hopefully when you fall on your face because you tried to do a handstand push up and you land on your grandma and break her hip you understand how fucking retarded you are.
User avatar #19402 to #19401 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
Go be a curl bro somewhere else your progress is shit for 8 months and you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about you ignorant stupid underage faggot.
User avatar #19403 to #19402 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
mad cuz bad.
kk bro, post some of your progress pics.
Bet you dont even lift.
Even If I was a curl bro I'd be making 4 times the gains you do.
#19404 to #19403 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
Sure dude.
7 months.

Now piss off and die.
User avatar #19422 to #19404 - sontek (10/19/2014) [-]
Stats? Mirin' progress unless manlet

Anyway it's really cool
User avatar #19423 to #19422 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
It's not me.
User avatar #19405 to #19404 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
Lol and you can't even do a handstand pushup?

Jeezus Christ it looks like a bear left a shit stain down your chest, and if you could have any smaller calves you'd snap your legs going up the stairs.
User avatar #19406 to #19405 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
Haters gonna hate kiddo.
User avatar #19407 to #19406 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
That explain why you're hating and getting so mad?
User avatar #19408 to #19407 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
Lel keep trying to project dude, it's cool you'll hit puberty soon.
User avatar #19409 to #19408 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
Says the manlet.

Tell me to hit puberty when your more then 5'4 bro.
User avatar #19410 to #19409 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
User avatar #19411 to #19410 - mendelevium (10/19/2014) [-]
Then your bed must be huge pro.

You know the one with all the basketballs and and sports related items to show how manly you are to your boyfriend.
User avatar #19412 to #19411 - leal (10/19/2014) [-]
He doesn't mind.

Our mum made the room, and she already thinks it's weird that we've started sharing the same bed.
User avatar #19269 to #19263 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
That's like saying that there's no point in doing pushups.
User avatar #19314 to #19269 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]

Use these exercises instead of kipping
User avatar #19315 to #19314 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
That's for if you can't do ANY pull ups and have to resort to doing motions that mimic it to get used to the movement. Notice I said Kipling isn't for beginners. If you can't do a pull up, you're worse then a beginner. You're a novice and shouldn't be Kipping.
User avatar #19316 to #19315 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
But like I said
Stupidity + danger = do a lat pull down instead.

If you honestly cant rep out that last set of pull ups, work your back in other ways and dont try to count something that isnt a pull up.
User avatar #19317 to #19316 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
You aren't reading anything I'm saying are you?

Kipping is not dangerous unless you are a beginner, this is a technique that should be used by people who are not beginners.

Yes you can move to another back exercise if you are just trying to work back. If you want to get bigger and stronger with pull ups (which are far superior then most other back movements) you should use it only when reaching failure. Getting off the bar and doing rows isn't going to help you do more pull ups with more weight.
User avatar #19318 to #19317 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
You still haven't told me what not being a beginner dictates.

Am I a beginner?
Getting off the bar is gana help you ACTUALLY work out and not pretend like you do 400 pull ups.
User avatar #19320 to #19318 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]

As for if your a beginner by a professional standpoint, there are as many opinions as there are assholes, but this article has probably the best definition I've seen when it comes to if you are a beginner, intermediate, or advanced. You definitely aren't a novice since you've been lifting for a year.
User avatar #19319 to #19318 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
You are probably still a beginner because I'm only a lower intermediate. From your pictures I've seen, I probably have 25 pounds on you at least. Not ripping on you or your progress, just what I've observed.

And doing 20 strict pull ups with a 40 pound weight vest is a Damisimpressive feat and doing that will build a godlike back.
User avatar #19271 to #19269 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
But you dont look stupid doing push ups.

User avatar #19272 to #19271 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
I don't think you look dumb doing bodyweight overhead presses. I think it looks impressive.
User avatar #19273 to #19272 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
To do it without a wall to rest against, sure. But otherwise? Ive never seen someone do a handstand push up that looked good doing it.
User avatar #19274 to #19273 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Have you ever actually tried it? I can't really convince you that it's not ugly looking, but I think there are sillier looking things you can do. I struggle to do sets of ten if I try it on occasion.
User avatar #19275 to #19274 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
I've tried and succeeded.
to do 5 with no support.
And I gotta say, its a stupid, more risky, none impressive, way to get your balls hanging out of your shorts.
User avatar #19284 to #19275 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Looks like someone's afraid of getting swole.
User avatar #19301 to #19284 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
I mean think of it this way.
I could do finger curls for that forearm strength.
Or I could go over to the benches by the free weights, pull down my pants right next to you
and jerk off looking myself in the mirror.

"I'm working out my forarm!"
Ya, well there are other, better ways to do it.
User avatar #19302 to #19301 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Well I agree that there are better ways to do it, since overhead press does the job nicely. But it's still a legit exercise, and if you don't have a gym to go to or proper equipment then it'll work just fine for you.

Wrist curls for forearm strength? Not the best example.
User avatar #19304 to #19302 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
Its like cross fit in my mind.
twice the stupidity, twice the danger of doing an overhead press.

And I ment finger curls.
Its what I do for forearms sometimes.
User avatar #19306 to #19304 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Well to he honest, cross fit has been largely proven to be amazing for strength and size in a short time period. Just that the intensity is so high that you can't do it for longer then say 3 months without overtraining and crashing (this is coming from someone who used to be the anticrossfit guy, then I had to basically eat my words).

And they're essentially the same. You can just either do them standing behind your back or in front of you while sitting. Both really aren't that great. You're better off doing Kroc rows, dumbbell rows, or deadlifts for lots of reps. Those shred my forearms more then anything, and it was a bitch to get mine stronger since I have such long arms.
User avatar #19307 to #19306 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
Well I'll wait till I eat my words then.
Or at least ill wait until the guy on the pull up bar stops doing his 1000th "kip" and maybe he will manage to do 1 pull up.

And for forearms I usually just grab a bar, slap some weight on it, and do a timed hang with an alternating grip. Or I do a dead mans hang.
User avatar #19308 to #19307 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
I've actually read how kipping, while ridiculous, has its uses. That you should use it when trying to get max reps off of the pull up. So you'd do strict pull ups for failure, then kip or cheat for another ten. So next workout you should be able to strictly do another pull up or two before failing. They can be considered partial reps. One thing I've learned is to never bash something because it looks or sounds silly. Because you could actually use it to your advantage as one point. I've kind of had to do that with a few elements in cross fit.
User avatar #19309 to #19308 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
But like my previous argument.
Why do something that not only looks stupid, but is dangerous.
When something else is right around the corner.
I wana work out back but I cant do one more pull up? great there is a row machine, lower the weight.
User avatar #19310 to #19309 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Kipping is only dangerous when your shoulders are not strong enough to handle to extra force on the joint. Beginners shouldn't do them at all. Plus a row machine does not benefit the pullup. Just like the bench does not benefit the pushup.
User avatar #19352 to #19310 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
no one should kip ever

Kipping is absolutely retarded
User avatar #19356 to #19352 - marinepenguin (10/19/2014) [-]
I don't kip. But if you read the article I posted somewhere in this thread. You'll see that it has its uses as a partial rep to supplement pull ups.
User avatar #19311 to #19310 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
The major muscles worked are still the same.

It does not benefit that one specific exercise, but it does give you strength and gains in the same area.

And I'm sure the pull up does not get benefited by kipping.
#19343 to #19311 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
I was on marinepenguins side up until the end. Kipping has no place in anybody's routine, and crossfit is a load of horse shit and everyone knows it.
Regardless of any "benefits" of kipping, there are a ton of exercises that can strengthen the muscles involved in the pullup that are ten times less dangerous than kipping.
User avatar #19313 to #19311 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]

Thibeaudeau is possibly one of the most reliable people on the whole site. He went from anticrossfit hater, to someone who actually uses variations of the cross fit wods for periods of time to increase strength and size.
User avatar #19312 to #19311 - marinepenguin (10/18/2014) [-]
Works the same muscles yes, but if you want to get better at pull ups you won't be doing rows. You have to do pull ups to get better at pullups. and if you get stuck? Do partial reps. Kipping is just an easier pull up, making it a partial rep. If you cannot continue to do pull ups in a set, start skipping so pump out more reps. I'll even link you the article about it just to show you.
User avatar #19247 - nustix (10/17/2014) [-]
Hello there, I'm here looking for some advice bet you didn't hear that one before I was wondering how effective strength training is for weightloss. I'm a kind of chubby guy and I want to lose some weight. So I went to the gym, but honestly I can't bothered with threadmills and hometrainer shit. So I was wondering whether strength training is a waste of time when your first priority is losing weight over gaining muscle.
I hope this is not a really retarded question, but I'm not really familiar in this scene.
User avatar #19384 to #19247 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
Cardio is way better.

Knowing your weight, and how active of a person you are, helps. If you're a really active person, even though you don't work out, means cardio won't work

I recommend going for walks, and some jogging. Cycle more. Cutting down on things that are just unhealthy (substitute chips/chocolate for fruit and nuts). You don't have to sacrifice too much in terms of regular diets, though, just hold back snacks and soda. Still do some strength training, but to gain muscles as goal.

Obviously, jogging, and more exhausting exercise is the fastest way to go. The easiest way is to go for a walk every day, and slowly building up, while doing some heavier exercise regularly, but not as frequent.
User avatar #19386 to #19384 - nustix (10/19/2014) [-]
I'm going to the gym either way, so in that case thread mills and hometrainers should be my priority or are you saying I could do strength training than like twice a week in the gym, but to really lose weight I should do some jogging at the same time.
User avatar #19387 to #19386 - haroldsaxon (10/19/2014) [-]
Short: Go to the gym 2-3 times a week. Jogg every day, or at least the remaining days.

Looking for outdoors activities available near you would be my best suggestion, to both get fit and lose weight. Gym is great for that as well. Not as well for cardio and to lose fat, but better in terms of muscle gain.

It all depends on how serious you are. Go to the gym 2-3 times a weak, go for runs the rest of the time is great. You can use the thread mill as well, but be really careful. They'll fuck your knees up if you overdo it.

Skiing, hiking, mountain climbing and all of that good stuff is great. The reason I like to recommend that, is that that is easier for a lot of people. It's often more motivating, more fun, and doesn't seem as much as exercise. Just going for runs is much easier, but demand more willpower.

Personal trainers are for motivation, mostly. Get a habit of jogging, or find an activity you like.

You can also look at your diet. My dad lost 20KG from cutting back on Coka Cola, so yeah
User avatar #19389 to #19387 - nustix (10/19/2014) [-]
I already cut back on my diet, but I guess I will just hit the gym and go jogging I live in the Netherlands so hiking is not that exiciting and skiing and mountain climbing are impossible. I might go do a sport like ultimate frisbee which is rather exhausting but I can only do that once a week. Thank you for the advice, I guess there is no way around cardio like excercises.
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#19266 to #19247 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
Work large muscle groups. Especially legs. And don't listen to anon. 1400kcal is the bare minimum for males. And low carb diets are shit.
Just eat 500 less calories per day than your daily average. Use an online TDEE calculator to find your daily average.
#19255 to #19247 - anonymous (10/17/2014) [-]
from my personal experience,

Just go to gym , start Split.
Stay on low carb 1200 cal diet.
get fit.

from 106 kg to 70kg
ex fat virgin.
User avatar #19252 to #19247 - mendelevium (10/17/2014) [-]
Strength =! Muscle mass
Muscle mass = calories need daily

Strength training will not help with burning fat, besides the actual act of the work out.
Should you want to burn fat, do a body building or aesthetic form of working out. The more muscle your body has, the more calories you need to have to keep that body. There for using up your fat stores on your body.

But to be brutally honest there is no point in asking that question.
because no offence, you are fat for a reason, and that reason is you are lazy.
meaning that you will not even use this advice and probably not even work out.

If you are actually working out or have been or will for more then a month color me impressed, but I doubt it.

Ill still give advice though.
User avatar #19373 to #19252 - TokenWhiteKid (10/19/2014) [-]
the C++ command for doesn't equal is !=
User avatar #19296 to #19252 - nustix (10/18/2014) [-]
I don't mind working out, but I quit doing it because my buddy who I used to train both in tennis and in the gym moved away. I'm currently 75 kg and 1.76 m you can't see I'm fat unless I pull up my shirt which is still fat, but not the kind of "I'm obese that's why I will never run kind of person". Thank you for the advice I will see if I can prove you wrong.

and sorry if I misunderstand you, but what you are basicly saying is that a bodybuilding form of workout is more effective than strength training, because I put on more muscle? I would have thougth that strength training would also result in muscle gain?
User avatar #19303 to #19296 - mendelevium (10/18/2014) [-]
Well it does.
Just not as effectively.

however like I said
strength does not equal muscle mass.
Like for instance look at pictures of strongman competitors, vs body builders.

The body builders have WAY bigger muscles, but that arnt stronger in anyway.

It because of diet, training, water weight, supplements ect.

and a body builders set up would be like
dumbell curls
15 reps 5 sets, 30 pounds.
while a strong man set up would be like
dumbell curls
6 reps 4 sets, 80 pounds

Repetition builds definition and size
weight builds strength.
User avatar #19305 to #19303 - nustix (10/18/2014) [-]
Ah I see, so with strength training I will actually train for strength results, which does not equal larger muscle mass. While body building training forms will result in the highest muscle mass but not necessarily in overall strength, but it will help me lose weigth.

There's just one thing that confuses me, if muscle mass does not equal strength what does? Do you just train different muscle groups when body building or does more mass not equal more muscle strength?
User avatar #19242 - littlebangaa ONLINE (10/17/2014) [-]
I just started and i got a pretty decent beginner routine going, i was just curious as to what kind of supplements i should be going with? ( if any). I don't want to be a brick shit house but i want to get some pretty decent muscle in there, also curious on anyone else's beginner routines?
#19438 to #19242 - KMD (10/19/2014) [-]
In my experience over the last 7 years of sport specific training and powerlifting I can say that there is not a single substitute for real food in terms of healthy effective calories like protein, carbs, and fat. Now as far as I have seen it is extremely beneficial to pick up some sort of daily multi-vitamin.
User avatar #19287 to #19242 - TokenWhiteKid (10/18/2014) [-]
Please post your beginner routine so we can judge you harshly
#19267 to #19242 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
I started out doing full body 3x a week, now I'm doing a 3 day split.
Beginners should probably stick to full body for at least 3 weeks to build neuromuscular connections.
User avatar #19253 to #19242 - mendelevium (10/17/2014) [-]
Been using Creatine for awhile.

Helps you look better and recover faster.
User avatar #19246 to #19242 - marinepenguin (10/17/2014) [-]
Whey protein is pretty much all you need right now. More calories and protein a day.
User avatar #19225 - connorjay (10/17/2014) [-]
Hit 165 deadlift, thinking about doing more of them, but lighter just to help with technique throughout the week.
However, I took off the "bitchpads" for squat and my weights have gone down from hittign 120-140 to 100-110. Fucking awful, but needs to be done I guess. My aim of 150 is out the window
And my bench is now back at 90kg, so not bad. Only 10-20 more and I'll be happy
Can't seem to do OHP at all though, my back seems to arch too much. Even 50kg is too much for me, and I shoulderpress that sat down.
#19268 to #19225 - KungFuZerO (10/18/2014) [-]
For standing shoulder press, squeeze your glutes hard. It takes all the weight off your back. Its amazing, try it.
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