Spec Ops: The Line in a nutshell. www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/10138-Critical-Miss-Top-Five-Games-of-2012-5. Em IND -TEEFEE? CART spec ops
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#79 - thepiratebay
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And then there's this guy
#149 to #79 - anon id: 77b24098
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"I noticed you havent shot me in the face yet. I suppose you're probably weighing the moral pros and cons of-GODDAMNIT JUST SHOOT ME IN THE FAAACE!"
User avatar #124 to #79 - thedarkangel
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Easily the best quest in the game!
#128 to #124 - anon id: 7b8ba9f3
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Have you played assault on dragons keep and campaign of carnage?
User avatar #139 to #128 - pandafucker
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i've played dragones keep its pretty good in my opinion
User avatar #129 to #128 - thedarkangel
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Sadly not yet
User avatar #147 to #79 - SgtBaha
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THANK YOU
User avatar #74 - I Am Monkey
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Sometime the whole "tough choice" aspect of games just goes completely over people heads. I was watching my friend play The Walking Dead and eagerly awaiting the scene where you have to choose between Carly or Doug, hoping to see a lot of drama over picking one. He just immediately picked Carly with no hesitation. He didn't even look at Doug.
User avatar #78 to #74 - thenameschuck
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B...b...but bros before hoes D:
User avatar #84 to #78 - yoloswagswagyolo
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Carly has a gun... plus doug is a little pussy
User avatar #86 to #84 - thenameschuck
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Yea, that doesnt help her getting blasted in the face by psycho bitch, plus i picked her thinking "oh she has a gun maybe she'll help doug" nope she didnt, plus atleast doug had smarts she couldnt find out she needed batteries.
User avatar #83 to #74 - thedarkestrogue
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**** Doug.

I've never even played the game and I don't know who Doug is.
nor do I care.
User avatar #135 to #74 - niggastolemyname
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How long do you have to be on FJ to get a name tag that blue?
User avatar #165 to #135 - crazehtoast
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I think every year or something you get a tinge of blue.
#141 to #135 - andromedika
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User avatar #138 to #135 - I Am Monkey
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I don't know, but I'm from 2008.
User avatar #89 to #74 - richardfitzwell
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I got Carley killed because she knew too much about me and I wanted her gone before anyone else found out... Yeah I'm a dick.
User avatar #110 to #89 - sladee
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You're a survivor
User avatar #85 to #74 - indecisivejew
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Well, to be fair, Telltale has even come out and said that their biggest regret in Season One was making Doug seem unappealing compared to Carley. He was supposed to come off as someone who would be extremely resourceful and good to have a round, but if you compare him with the one who is an expert with a gun, a more pleasant person to talk to, and has the tits, it becomes pretty apparent why the statistics of that particular choice were so lopsided.
#71 - zerojaxx
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But it is genius. it takes your expectations of "run and shoot brown people" and rapes your soul with them in a way that i've never seen a AAA game do before.
Name one other AAA that made you stop playing and truly consider if you're the good guy.
Name one other AAA that made you realize how truly hellish war is as opposed to the dude-bro testos-a-thon of the cowadooty series
protip you cant
/rant

also the comic isnt even funny
User avatar #161 to #71 - arcticassassin
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Battlefield 3 did it a little bit.
I actually did stop and think after all those scenes with the Russians.
#92 to #71 - anon id: e132a882
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i dount care
#93 to #71 - anon id: e132a882
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who gives a ****
User avatar #98 to #93 - zerojaxx
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OP get out of here
#113 to #71 - anon id: d1d51906
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>shellshock
User avatar #126 to #71 - othelo
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>Bioshock
User avatar #127 to #126 - othelo
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>And The Walking Dead game.
User avatar #87 to #71 - thedarkestrogue
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The Darkness.
Mafia 2.
(If you count the darkness as a war, it is brutal.)
Army of Two
User avatar #91 to #71 - indecisivejew
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Name one other AAA game that made you question if you're the bad guy? Are you serious?

Off the top of my head, there's Last of Us, Walking Dead, Metal Gear 1 & 2, Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, 3, & 4, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto 4, Shadow of the Collosus, Bioshock, Deus Ex, System Shock, and inFamous 1 & 2. And those are on top of pretty much every halfway decent western RPG like Mass Effect or Fallout, and even a lot of eastern RPGs.

A lot of these games didn't focus on specifically making you feel bad about war, and I'm not saying that Spec Ops isn't well done or that its not impactful, but saying that there are NO other games that do that is ridiculous, because there are quite a few that do it better.

In addition, that doesn't really invalidate the author of the comic's point. I really hate that comic strip and the author, but in this instance both are right. The game essentially set out to make you feel bad by judging your choices, except that a lot of them weren't really choices. They were simply objectives that you had to do to progress in the game. Stuff like the ending of Walking Dead or Psycho Mantis in Metal Gear Solid would actually judge decisions that the game gave you, not objectives that it assigned you. By spec op's logic, I would need to put the controller down and turn off my system to be considered a good person. Again, I like the game, but this is a very tangible flaw in its overall design, and just because it did something better than the average game, does not mean that it does it perfectly.
User avatar #97 to #91 - zerojaxx
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Thats the point "the only winning move is not to play at all"
its set up like all other modern FPSs go here, shoot, press button, kill terrorist.
no choices no "good vs. evil" slider just accomplish your mission but the mission is so disgustingly twister and morally gray that - say it with me now - the only way to win is not to play.
User avatar #101 to #97 - indecisivejew
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Then what is the point of it? I get the whole "war is hell, and there is no winning" theme, but I don't see the value of a narrative that relies so heavily on the characters choices when its in a video game, and still does not allow the participant to make said choices. Why not just make the story into a book, or movie then?

It just seems wasteful to me to have such a well written story that focuses on morally gray choices be in an interactive medium, and then still limit the interactivity to just shooting dudes. Its much better and original that most other shooters, but without that element of choice, it still kind of is just another shooter, albeit with a better story.
User avatar #106 to #101 - zerojaxx
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it was a book and a movie
heat of darkness
Apocalypse now
User avatar #99 to #71 - coolfuzzy
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Looks like someone just learned what AAA title meant. Even though I still don't think you did, it sounds like you just watched that episode of extra credits for this game.
User avatar #107 to #99 - indecisivejew
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In reality though, the entire argument is null because in terms of both sales and production cost, Spec Ops: The Line was not a AAA game. It could maybe pass as a AA game, but I know that when it came out, GameStop had it under B tier.
User avatar #112 to #107 - coolfuzzy
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I never looked into it but I believe you, i was just saying how silly zerojaxx looks for trying to sound like he knew anything of what he was saying in his comment.
User avatar #6 - billybong
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Wooh, Just got this game free with The Bureau preorder on steam. I haven't downloaded it yet though.

I don't care too much about spoilers, but what do others think of it? Yay or nay?
User avatar #9 to #6 - tehnoblebean
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Defo yay, it is an odd one but well worth the time.
User avatar #57 to #6 - zzforrest
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Yay. It's not strong in gameplay but the story will blow your mind. Also I can give you a spoiler which will change the way you see the game, but won't give away the ending. I'll only say it if you want to hear it, though. Also it isn't something revealed in the game, but rather can be found in an interview with the creators.
User avatar #96 to #57 - magikarpisgod
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I would like to know it, because I've played this game and loved it.
User avatar #102 to #96 - zzforrest
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The cutscene transitions are very important. Whenever it transitions by fading to black and then to the scene then what is going on is normal. But if it fades to white, then it means that Walker is hallucinating or deceiving himself in some way.
User avatar #144 to #102 - drewhamster
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I'm pretty sure that just gave away a big part of the ending....
User avatar #90 to #6 - andyshandy
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Definite yay, although don't expect it to be "fun".

Hell of an experience to play though.
User avatar #8 to #6 - thefogwoggler
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it's an amazing game just go into it with the mindset thats it's a generic brown shooter
User avatar #29 to #6 - useroftheLOLZ
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Play on the hardest difficulty, that is how you get the best experience, turn on sub titles, pay close attention to what is being said, think about your decisions, and enjoy your artificially induced PTSD.
#18 - anon id: 22685dec
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Well, yes!

You are told to shoot a guy and without hesitation you pull the ******* trigger and end his life. Yes that makes you a bad person!

If you take away the 4th panel, it actually sums up what Spec Ops: The Line is and does very well. Its a game where you do all your typical shooter things, without question, and then confronts you with how horrible of an act this really is and how detached from reality most modern shooters really are.
#33 to #18 - anon id: d16cb99d
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Well, when you play the game you get two options. Shoot everyone for being assholes, or don't shoot anyone because their life sucks too, or something. One makes you feel bad, the other gets you killed so that you no longer have to play the game, which is ok. Then again, the controls are bad, the guns kinda sucked, the teammates are useless, and the entire thing made me feel like i was actively being punished psychologically not for committing war crimes but for PLAYING THE DAMN GAME. I gave up on the idea of any kind of grey morality when the game actually forces you to (spoilers) kill a trench full of civilians. You know what i did? I tried to just shoot everyone. I didn't want to use the phosphorous, it was a war crime. Then the game throws infinite waves at you. In conclusion, the game sucked and it's message was pretentious waste of a neat setting.
User avatar #37 to #33 - thewowpimp
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there is one point in the game where you are told to shoot one of two people so that you can proceed, choose no one and both men die.

The game tells you that there are snipers to prevent you from just leaving.

I shot the ******* snipers because you can be nice if you ******* think, the person who made the comic is an idiot.
User avatar #108 to #37 - nogphille
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well.. from all the reactions i've read, there's no happy end. you may have some decisions, but the game forces you to be bad..
"you can always stop playing" is the stupidest excuse i've ever heard.. i don't buy a game NOT to play it.

this sucks and i don't like it.

take hitman absolution.. i liked sneaking around the maps, trying to find ways NOT to kill anyone.

'oh, but it's so cool because it makes you think of games like COD and BF in another way.'
NO. it doesn't. the 'people' you kill are clearly avatars of other players. even though they aim for a great realism, it never really is. you have infinite lives and so do your opponents. there are no innocent NPCs running around that you have to avoid killing. it's a test of aim, skill and tactics.

**** this game, i won't be playing it.
User avatar #151 to #108 - Siphus
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You aren't getting the point of the game. In real life, you are forced to make decisions between bad and ***************************, its not always good vs evil.

In The Line, like someone else mentioned, theres a part where you are given a choice to shoot either a civilian or a soldier, both guilty of crimes but not deserving of death. Either choice is "wrong". If you choose, instead, to kill the snipers that are forcing you to make this decision, both of the people die.

In the end, the game shows you all of the decisions you've made in a little montage, and how really, no choice was ever the right one, no matter what you choose.

To use your own analogy, it would be like in Hitman, you complete a level without killing a single person, however your actions allowed for the collapse of a major corporation, leaving hundreds jobless.... or how your actions led to the uprising of a crime syndicate who was more brutal than the one you helped sabotage.

Does that make sense? The brilliance of Spec Ops: The Line is its underlying questions of morality, which shows the gamer just how ****** up modern shooters really are.
#75 to #18 - anon id: d1bc0096
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except it's just a game
#80 to #18 - anon id: fae57c66
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You're playing as a soldier. There's a certain level of discipline involved in being a soldier, and without that discipline the command structure would break down.
#137 to #80 - mrnigger
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I know it's long as ****, but it makes a lot of good points.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlBrenhzMZI
#125 to #18 - lolibear
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I understand you're comment, but I would like to point out that this was part of the comic critical miss' top 5 of 2012, and while it did poke fun of it, the 4th panel WAS genuine.
#133 to #18 - anon id: 1f7f2407
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That reminds me of the game OFF.
#164 to #18 - anon id: 75adce6b
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feels like they had to impliment that so 10-12 year olds would somehow "learn" that killing another prson is bad, bad, bad!

i wouldn't want to play a video game that tries to tell me that i don't know what is concidered good and bad
User avatar #166 to #18 - rhiaanor
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its a bad game because it was made mediocre to send a message. It pisses me off because I spent my money on a game, purposely made to not be good, but no be particularly bad.
User avatar #95 to #18 - indecisivejew
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Except that if you don't do those things, you can't progress in the game. Its not like its judging me for a personal decision I made because it gave me the option to do it; its judging me for something it is forcing me to do.

The only way for the game to consider me a good person is for me to not play it.
User avatar #109 to #95 - hurtfulturkey
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You just accidentally discovered the point of the game.
#140 to #109 - devildogpratt
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yes, pay $30 for a game to not play it
#148 to #140 - peakpillow
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or see it in a shop and not buy it
#153 to #148 - devildogpratt
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so you are automatically supposed to tell how the game is going to be before playing it? it's a piece of **** rushed game
#167 to #153 - anon id: 656dd1f7
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Without reading any details about what actually happens, I can basically know the plot and twists because I know this is basically the videogame version of Apocalypse Now / Heart of Darkness
#60 - snakefire
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In fallout new vegas I can shoot the innocent because I like their clothes, but when someone gives me something and I don't have the option to say "thank you" I just feel bad.
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k
#114 - thesinful
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Reminds me of the CIA joke.

The CIA has three candidates, two men and a woman, for one assassin position.

On the final day of testing, the CIA proctor leads the first male candidate to a large steel door and hands him a gun. "We must know that you will follow our instructions, regardless of the circumstances," he explains. "Inside this room, you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill her."

The man is horrified, "You can't be serious! I could never shoot my wife!"

"Well," says the proctor, "you're definitely not the right man for this job then."

The CIA proctor leads the second male candidate to another large steel door and hands him a gun. "We must know that you will follow instructions, no matter what the circumstances," the proctor explains. "Inside this room, you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill her."

The second man steadies himself, takes the gun and enters the room. After three quiet minutes, the man exits the room with tears in his eyes. "I wanted to do it -- I just couldn't pull the trigger and shoot my wife. I guess I'm not the right man for the job."

Finally, the CIA proctor leads the female candidate to yet another large steel door and hands her a gun. "We must be sure that you will follow instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room, you will find your husband sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill him."

The woman takes the gun, enters the room, and before the door even closes completely behind her, she's fired off six shots. Then all hell breaks loose behind the door -- cursing, screaming, crashing. Suddenly, all goes quiet.

The door opens slowly, the woman exits, and wiping the sweat from her brow, she says, "Did you guys know the gun was loaded with blanks? I had to beat the son of a bitch to death with the chair!"
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#38 - krumpinthug
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Comment Picture
User avatar #76 to #38 - linktheherooftime
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Do you have the one where the gif says funnyjunk and repost?
#77 to #76 - krumpinthug
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No...I do have this though.
No...I do have this though.
User avatar #39 to #38 - successfully
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You look pretty.
#40 to #39 - krumpinthug
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User avatar #42 to #40 - successfully
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UHH I SAID YOU LOOK ******, GOODNIGHT DENISE.
#4 - shackle
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**shackle rolled user oishiine ** this user has sex with penguins
User avatar #5 to #4 - oishiine
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Only on the weekend

Speaking of which...