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#90 - capncrunchcapn (01/09/2014) [-]
[GAMER INTENSIFIES]
#88 - thewisedane (12/30/2013) [-]
*Hrm-hrrrm*.
User avatar #83 - hyeroshi (12/29/2013) [-]
Graphics are just more of a bonus for me when I play games. I play a lot of Monster Hunter and when I show it to people they're usually like "God, this game has such terrible graphics." and I tell them "Are you going to just sit there and stare at the pretty little flowers on the ground or get moving and hunt a giant flying lizard?"

On an unrelated note, as much as I love the new 3D Super Mario games, I still prefer the older version of the Mario games.
#82 - zintex (12/29/2013) [-]
Going into this, I would like to say I am pursuing a major for Video Game Art and Design at the Art Institute at the Art Institute, so I have a bit of experience going over topics such as this with industry professionals.

Graphics =/= aesthetics. Graphics are related to the number of polygons any given object within a game may have. For example, the N64 can render 100k a second. The PS4 can do 1.6 BILLION polygons a second. Coupled with the fact that the N64's texture cache (the part that stored what the system could render) was 4kb, the N64 could only render small amounts of high quality color, and large amounts of low quality color. To combat this, the developers layered texture ontop of texture to create texture paths to create larger images.

Aesthetics are what you see in a game. It is the art style, the amount of objects you see and how the world is created. The aesthetics are what you remember, not the graphics.

The rise of more powerful machines and more sophisticated technology pushed developers towards a more aesthetic focus (this was mostly done by Japanese developers, and they were better at doing it).

Often times, what people recall when they replay a game are the mechanics, which is how the game was played. You recall z-targeting, rolling, auto-jump, etc. The story is secondary in for most people. They are not better games than what we produce now. Not even close. The adventure was simple, and the scale was small, but they did it INCREDIBLY well considering the resources they had, and how new the industry was at that time.

LoZ is my favorite franchise of all time, but as a series, it is incredibly simple. The series continues to survive because the developers are geniuses. The are constantly innovating the mechanics, and replaying the same, successful story (with a few exceptions), time and time again. The next time you go thinking about what whats a game great, think about the way you play the game and how you play it.
#85 to #82 - zintex (12/29/2013) [-]
What makes a game great are the mechanics. Developing the story, and the art comes FROM the mechanics, not the other way around.


TLDR: Graphics =/= aesthetics. LOZ is great because of the mechanics, and the same tried and true story.
#79 - missderpy (12/29/2013) [-]
I call myself a Zelda fan, but I've only ever beaten one game
User avatar #84 to #79 - hyeroshi (12/29/2013) [-]
I don't think you need to have beaten a certain amount of games to be a fan of a series. I absolutely love the Touhou series and those games are hard as balls.
User avatar #87 to #84 - missderpy (12/29/2013) [-]
Well i own almost every game, and i got a copy of hyrule historia for christmas, I just never get around to finishing them
User avatar #75 - swimmingprodigy (12/29/2013) [-]
This is true, which is why Crash Bash, Baldur's Gate, and GTA San Andreas will remain my favorite games ever
#71 - cyphertwentyone **User deleted account** (12/29/2013) [-]
I would say differently. Sometimes a games visuals really add to the atmosphere. Thief: The Dark Project came out in 1998, and it still scares the **** out of me (I first played it in 2011!) when I enter a darkened room, thanks in large part to how the game renders shadows.
#74 to #71 - cyphertwentyone **User deleted account** (12/29/2013) [-]
A better picture of how it uses light and darkness.
#58 - mkchillin (12/29/2013) [-]
But if the graphics are good then they are a PART of the adventure
User avatar #50 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
Lucky for me....the graphics and adventure for Wind waker both hold up quite nicely! i say this because i just recently started playing it over again.
User avatar #51 to #50 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
Hell yeah. Best-looking game of that generation.

(Can't really say "last generation")
User avatar #67 to #51 - murpmurp ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
hi, we have an image together
User avatar #69 to #67 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
way 2spooky.
User avatar #53 to #51 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
Like i dragged out the gamecube and everything because who the **** has 300$ to spend on a WiiU. and just damn....the game looks magnificent!
User avatar #54 to #53 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
Yeah, I've been playing Wind Waker non-stop for the past week or so. It really does hold up with current-gen games, graphics-wise and gameplay-wise.
User avatar #55 to #54 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
the only part i hate are some of the damn puzzles...are never explained how to be done and i've forgot a lot of how to do **** . Like getting Din's pearl, to get the boss key i think you have to knock out one of those fire rolly pollies and i was like...okay do i have to hit it at the right angle and it roll onto the button....NOPE you can lift those ******* it took me an hour to figure it out...
User avatar #56 to #55 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
The only part I didn't like (but loved at the same time) was the monotonous sailing. I love the openness of the sea, but changing the wind direction is the capital pain in my ass.
User avatar #57 to #56 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
i sail for fun they put a lot of work into those 49 squares of ocean and i want to feed that fish and see every last island!
User avatar #59 to #57 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
That's the main reason I plan on getting the HD remake as soon as I can money. The sail can be upgraded to automatically change the wind, and that makes me very aroused happy.
User avatar #60 to #59 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
....welp looks i am spending 300+ dollars.
User avatar #61 to #60 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
Yep. I got a chance to try it out at a friend's house. It's an amazing improvement. The only HD change I don't like is the inclusion of those Tingle bottles.
User avatar #62 to #61 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
tingle.....Tingle......WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT HOMICIDAL CRAZY THIEVING PIECE OF SLAVE LABOR USING PSYCHO!
User avatar #63 to #62 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
You don't know the half of it.

"HALLOWEN IS ALOMST APON US ARE YOU EXSITED!!!! "

Wind Waker HD - Ice Ring + Fire Mountain!
User avatar #64 to #63 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
I LOVE PBG!
#65 to #64 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
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Hell yeah. He's pretty damn funny.
User avatar #66 to #65 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
Who are you random Funny junker....and where have you been all my time on the internets...
#68 to #66 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
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I am God.
#70 to #68 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
Does that mean i am Dog?
User avatar #72 to #70 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
YES.
We are all Dog.
User avatar #76 to #72 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
and all dogs go to heaven! we are all saved by the glory of Admin
User avatar #77 to #76 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
Or.....maybe Admin created the movie to give us hope where there is none.
#81 to #77 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
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User avatar #78 to #77 - stealthnull (12/29/2013) [-]
Just blew my ******* mind
#48 - underthetable (12/29/2013) [-]
the end of that game with that fight scene made me feel so awesome when i first beat it. my emotions were like OMG YES I AM DOING THIS. This is the only game that has ever sucked me in personally and made me feel like a hero. I salute you zelda. This was the most amazing part of anything.
User avatar #40 - xtwinblade (12/29/2013) [-]
everybody thinks the old games were always so amazing, but mostly all that comes from nostalgia.

If you were to compare goldeneye to Call of duty as if they both came out the same year, you probably would say Cod was better because of a more modern engine, better graphics, runs smoother, more radiant AI and isnt as limited as Goldeneye in certain areas(due to it being an old game)

I love the classics, but it seems like everybody thinks they were the best games ever, no matter what just because you have a strong bond with that game.
User avatar #52 to #40 - skilletpanhead ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
Hah. "bond".
User avatar #46 to #40 - wteck (12/29/2013) [-]
you're comparing the wrong type of game. I never really liked old shooters, and the people, at least the people i know, who praised old shooters like golden eye admit that they're basically **** . There's tons of snes games that I replayed that were adventure based which I would consider great.
User avatar #47 to #46 - xtwinblade (12/29/2013) [-]
There are tons of great oldies.
User avatar #89 to #47 - wteck (12/30/2013) [-]
Never mind then
User avatar #41 to #40 - trisketthebiskit (12/29/2013) [-]
besides the nostalgia i think the appreciation for the classics comes from their originality n the golden age of gaming where even a less than terrific game could be considered amazing and revolutionary when gaming was starting to actually grow the games got more and more in depth it went from who had the highest score to the actual experience the adventure of going through the game so yes nostalgia has a hold on me for the older games but i tend to not compare them to the new generation of games to me thats like trying to compare a baseball player to a football player
#42 to #41 - xtwinblade (12/29/2013) [-]
there is still a lot of originality in todays games, and there was a lot of bad games that were made back in the day as well, we just tend to not remember them or the flaws in other games. In some years we will forget the bad games we have now and the flaws in popular games like Skyrim or Borderlands.   
   
in "Ye olde" games, people had almost the same experiences in games. Things feel so scripted compared to the games we have now, because we can have our own story in games and go through them differently.   
When playing something like Jak and Daxter you had a lot of freedom, but everybody did the same thing when playing the game. When now you can accomplish objectives with alternate ways and achieve a different gaming experience.   
Surely it happens in modern games too, in Call of duty everybody starts a mission with the same weapons and progress likely the same. And playing Daggerfall you could do whatever like in any other Elder Scrolls game.   
   
The old games were great, and new games are also great. Gaming isnt going downhill is all im trying to say
there is still a lot of originality in todays games, and there was a lot of bad games that were made back in the day as well, we just tend to not remember them or the flaws in other games. In some years we will forget the bad games we have now and the flaws in popular games like Skyrim or Borderlands.

in "Ye olde" games, people had almost the same experiences in games. Things feel so scripted compared to the games we have now, because we can have our own story in games and go through them differently.
When playing something like Jak and Daxter you had a lot of freedom, but everybody did the same thing when playing the game. When now you can accomplish objectives with alternate ways and achieve a different gaming experience.
Surely it happens in modern games too, in Call of duty everybody starts a mission with the same weapons and progress likely the same. And playing Daggerfall you could do whatever like in any other Elder Scrolls game.

The old games were great, and new games are also great. Gaming isnt going downhill is all im trying to say
User avatar #39 - zzforrest (12/29/2013) [-]
What is an adventure, however?
An adventure, is the reason you go. It's the sights you see, the sounds you hear, the walks you take, and the stories you find.
A game's aesthetic has everything to do with a game, but so does the sound, gameplay, and plot, all equally. Focusing on one element is telling about a walk, focusing on all is telling about an adventure.
#33 - neznanc (12/29/2013) [-]
ahh, good times
User avatar #32 - gadgetzan (12/29/2013) [-]
I just played Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons yesterday. It may very well be the most beautiful game I've played, both story and graphic-wise. While the visuals aren't that technically impressive, the art direction and feel of the game, not to forget the music, really nails a full score for me, breathtaking.
User avatar #44 to #32 - thefates (12/29/2013) [-]
Thank god someone else played that magnificent masterpiece. Some of those segments were beautiful especially when you: Bury your own brother so slowly. Then there's that one suicidal guy who you can play the music box for.
User avatar #45 to #44 - gadgetzan (12/29/2013) [-]
Yes, loved that man thing, also I found the part where you reunite the troll/goblin couple really sweet. This game is proof that games are indeed a very unique form of art, it's something everyone needs to play.
User avatar #31 - Jackimole (12/29/2013) [-]
Also the graphics won't be too much different 13 years from now, certainly much less of a difference than 13 years ago. Graphics are plateauing, you can only make something look so realistic.

You'll also remember the aesthetic much more than you will the graphics, even if a game doesn't have Crysis' engine, it can still look good, ie Team Fortress 2 looks good, but isn't hyper realistic.

Extra Credits: Graphics vs. Aesthetics

Video on graphics vs aesthetics.
User avatar #35 to #31 - zzforrest (12/29/2013) [-]
**** yeah extra credits!
User avatar #23 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (12/29/2013) [-]
*pause* Iron boots on *unpause*
*pause* Iron boots off *unpause*

That's where OoT 3D made things right
That's the only version I'll play of that game
User avatar #27 to #23 - sirfapaton ONLINE (12/29/2013) [-]
That was possible in twilight princess also. made the wall & ceiling walking a loot easier.
#17 - anonymous (12/29/2013) [-]
When I played Donkey Kong Country for the Snes for the first time I SHAT MY PANTS for the graphics.
Whoever picks an aspect of games, be it gameplay, graphics, sound, story, and says it doesn't matter is a dumb **** . Just like OP here.
#16 - makutasfinest (12/29/2013) [-]
It was never about if it looked -realistic- enough or if it seemed cool ; was always about conveying a story that was worth getting yourself involved with, or leaving you with some pretty awesome memories, or even just giving your imagination a small spark.   
   
It was always about ' did I have fun in the end?  '
It was never about if it looked -realistic- enough or if it seemed cool ; was always about conveying a story that was worth getting yourself involved with, or leaving you with some pretty awesome memories, or even just giving your imagination a small spark.

It was always about ' did I have fun in the end? '
#38 to #16 - domny (12/29/2013) [-]
I like the ammount of bionicle gifs you post.
User avatar #7 - PenguinsOfMars (12/29/2013) [-]
but when you go back to play you're like **** this game has such ****** graphics and menus i don't even want to play it
User avatar #43 to #7 - cadencee (12/29/2013) [-]
I had that with final fantasy 7, it took me a while to get back into it.
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User avatar #26 to #7 - bluenebula (12/29/2013) [-]
No.
#22 to #7 - friedgreenpomatoes (12/29/2013) [-]
I don't feel this way at all about Ace Combat.
User avatar #13 to #7 - wanicochil (12/29/2013) [-]
Tis how I feel about Bards Tale

I want to play it so badly, but controls are so terrible I just can't stand it
User avatar #10 to #7 - dabronydude (12/29/2013) [-]
i have sort of done this,
i have come back to an old as **** game, went "oh god it is so ugly and the controls are stiff
as a brick" but i still play it, just takes time to get into the mind set.
User avatar #9 to #7 - yiffcario (12/29/2013) [-]
I've never once done that about any game.
#8 to #7 - yologdog (12/29/2013) [-]
I have never once done that to any Zelda game.
User avatar #80 to #8 - matrixone (12/29/2013) [-]
And for reasons mentioned by PenguinsOfMars, I never even played a Zelda game in my life.
User avatar #86 to #80 - PenguinsOfMars (12/29/2013) [-]
same here man, when i was a kid and zelda games were new and coming out we couldn't afford a console and now i'm older I have never played one in my life
#5 - lmaobutts (12/29/2013) [-]
I beg to differ. Graphics have a lot to do with a games atmosphere and immersion factors. The visual and audible aspects of a game appeal to ones senses more than you might give a game credit for. Tons of games are remembered for their graphics as well, IE: Crysis, Battlefield,  Skyrim, etc... People who say graphics have nothing to do with a game clearly have never played a game at its full graphical potential. Sure the storyline and the gameplay is the main holding point of a game, but graphics are just as important as those other factors.    
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I beg to differ. Graphics have a lot to do with a games atmosphere and immersion factors. The visual and audible aspects of a game appeal to ones senses more than you might give a game credit for. Tons of games are remembered for their graphics as well, IE: Crysis, Battlefield, Skyrim, etc... People who say graphics have nothing to do with a game clearly have never played a game at its full graphical potential. Sure the storyline and the gameplay is the main holding point of a game, but graphics are just as important as those other factors.
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User avatar #36 to #5 - zzforrest (12/29/2013) [-]
I think aesthetic has more to do with it. An aesthetic that's cartoony ( TF2, for instance ), conveys one feeling, but gritty brown-gray shooters ( like COD ) convey a totally different one. Not that either of them are bad, quite the opposite, both are very good at conveying a feeling or environment. TF2 is really comical because of it's aesthetic, while COD is very intense. But you can read even further than just that. Mass Effect, for instance, conveys an overwhelming world by use of wild architecture and clever lighting effects.
User avatar #24 to #5 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (12/29/2013) [-]
Crysis will only be remembered for the graphics
Which shouldn't be main focus
**** sucked
User avatar #21 to #5 - harbingerwolf (12/29/2013) [-]
This is a really good point, why is it getting neg thumbed?
I dont understand the consensus that if you like a key factor like art style it makes you an idiot.
Lets say you have two copies of the same game, both with the exact same gameplay. One looked like a pile of **** and the other looked eye wateringly beautiful, which would you rather play?
User avatar #25 to #21 - Nightinear **User deleted account** (12/29/2013) [-]
What about the other aspects?
Story?
Music?
User avatar #37 to #25 - zzforrest (12/29/2013) [-]
A game can't be made good by only one aspect. If it has a great story but ****** gameplay, nobody would like it. If it has good gameplay, but terrible graphics ( I'm not talking "oldschool" terrible, I'm talking "they put no effort" terrible ), who would bother? One element does not make a game, it's the combination of Art, Music, Story, AND Gameplay that make a good game. A game is a building with 4 supports. Each support has to be equally strong in order for the game to stand.
User avatar #30 to #25 - lmaobutts (12/29/2013) [-]
I'm not saying graphics over-rule those aspects. Music, in my opinion, is the most key element to a good game. My point was simply that graphics can make or break a game. You could have the most remarkable storyline in a game ever, but it just wouldn't have the same effect on you if it was a 16-bit game with crappy sound quality. Whereas if you took that plotline and rendered it in full 1080p with top-of-the-line physics and textures along with a 5 star musical score, it would be named game of the year and set marks in history. Graphics aren't the absolute most important things, but it really helps set the tone and atmosphere of the game.
User avatar #19 to #5 - spelt (12/29/2013) [-]
No.
#11 to #5 - thefantasyfundepot (12/29/2013) [-]
I would say your right, but only for some people. Some people graphics are extremely important while others might not care as much.
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