Undertale, sans fight animation
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aquaekk (11/12/2015) [-] graphics are meant to be retro, tribute to earthbound / mother games
tutorial is to develop the characters of goat mom / flowey as a villain - you're meant to immerse yourself in the story / dialouge rather than the annoying tutorial (although I agree to some extent)
and 3rdly who wtf
tutorial is to develop the characters of goat mom / flowey as a villain - you're meant to immerse yourself in the story / dialouge rather than the annoying tutorial (although I agree to some extent)
and 3rdly who wtf
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trolololel ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-]
Those graphics are pretty inconsistently "retro" with the main character looking like an old movie based NES game reject and then other important characters having some actual effort put in to their sprite work, and even then it's to varying degrees of effort.
Tutorial developed a villain who ***** off until the end of the game.
The idea of wanting to murder **** in an RPG is supposed to be played off of with Undertale but it strips it's surprise by advertising the pacifist run as the main draw. I personally feel like the game should've not told you that since common sense in the real world is to not murder people.
Also as someone who recently played Mother 1, and just started Earthbound, Undertale absolutely doesn't do them any justice as a product that was inspired by them. Combat is dull, humor limits it's audience to people who ******** about anime, and it doesn't do anything to capture that child like view of the world that Earthbound has been doing perfectly for as far as I am. (I'm at Threed, the part with Jeff.) I feel like Undertale is trying too hard and that everyone who's praising it either hasn't touched the Mother series or played it so long ago that they don't remember anything, which really says something since Earthbound has you killing psychic ants with mindbullets within the first hour or so.
Tutorial developed a villain who ***** off until the end of the game.
The idea of wanting to murder **** in an RPG is supposed to be played off of with Undertale but it strips it's surprise by advertising the pacifist run as the main draw. I personally feel like the game should've not told you that since common sense in the real world is to not murder people.
Also as someone who recently played Mother 1, and just started Earthbound, Undertale absolutely doesn't do them any justice as a product that was inspired by them. Combat is dull, humor limits it's audience to people who ******** about anime, and it doesn't do anything to capture that child like view of the world that Earthbound has been doing perfectly for as far as I am. (I'm at Threed, the part with Jeff.) I feel like Undertale is trying too hard and that everyone who's praising it either hasn't touched the Mother series or played it so long ago that they don't remember anything, which really says something since Earthbound has you killing psychic ants with mindbullets within the first hour or so.
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
Earthbound is a great game. Wait till you get to Fourside...
And the ending had moved me more than any game ever had.
And the ending had moved me more than any game ever had.
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aquaekk (11/13/2015) [-] I've completed all of the Mother games, and I feel like it fits quite well
granted, it's more comedy than plot, and the Mother games aren't that great (Mother 3 was my favourite), but I commend it, I really think we need more games like this, that are different and draw in a community.
granted, it's more comedy than plot, and the Mother games aren't that great (Mother 3 was my favourite), but I commend it, I really think we need more games like this, that are different and draw in a community.
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trolololel ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-]
"It's more comedy than plot" I feel like that's part of my issue with Undertale, like I said before, it's brand of comedy limits it's audience and it keeps hammering down on jokes I thought missed the first time around. It could also do something really interesting with it's whole "determination" save/load ability, but it doesn't anything with it outside of a few minor bits and the neutral end.
While I agree Mother 1 wasn't anything super special, it was still good, definitely not perfect. Mother 2/Earthbound has, so far, been kicking ass right out the starting gate. My one complaint is I can't make text as fast as I could in Mother 1 and even then I'm emulating it and have a fast forward button. I really feel like Undertale can't hold a candle to it if it keeps being as amazing as it has been. I mostly mean on the fronts of art style, humor, gameplay, and tone. The music is totally good enough for a comparison to be made.
I like that Undertale tried something different. I don't feel like it succeeded in anything it tried to do. We do need more games that at least try to be unique or work an interesting angle, but those alone can't excuse a game for lacking in quality gameplay.
It's also pretty great when a game has a good community, dunno how I feel about the Undertale community though. I think it's gotten too popular with people who don't really know anything about videogames and are convinced it's perfect from their lack of experience with the medium and must try to cram their opinion down the throats of others. But I also understand that when you think something is great you just wanna spread the joy. I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm not saying Undertale is bad. I just don't feel it's as good as people make it out to be.
While I agree Mother 1 wasn't anything super special, it was still good, definitely not perfect. Mother 2/Earthbound has, so far, been kicking ass right out the starting gate. My one complaint is I can't make text as fast as I could in Mother 1 and even then I'm emulating it and have a fast forward button. I really feel like Undertale can't hold a candle to it if it keeps being as amazing as it has been. I mostly mean on the fronts of art style, humor, gameplay, and tone. The music is totally good enough for a comparison to be made.
I like that Undertale tried something different. I don't feel like it succeeded in anything it tried to do. We do need more games that at least try to be unique or work an interesting angle, but those alone can't excuse a game for lacking in quality gameplay.
It's also pretty great when a game has a good community, dunno how I feel about the Undertale community though. I think it's gotten too popular with people who don't really know anything about videogames and are convinced it's perfect from their lack of experience with the medium and must try to cram their opinion down the throats of others. But I also understand that when you think something is great you just wanna spread the joy. I'm not saying it's bad, and I'm not saying Undertale is bad. I just don't feel it's as good as people make it out to be.
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aquaekk (11/13/2015) [-] You have to remember Undertale was funded from Kickstarter, and started solely from Toby Fox - he had only worked on a couple Earthbound hacks and such prior to this
he did delay the game about 2 years, so I guess there's no excuse
also the determination thing is actually used as an in-game plot device for SOUL experimentation but yeah, the whole 'determination' thing isn't meant to have a mechanic
I'm not trying to justify Undertale to you - just give you reasons to reconsider.
Mother and such are officially branded Nintendo names - they had a lot of work into them, and although they do sparkle better than Undertale - I feel like Undertale is a make-up in the lack of earthbound-style content we've had over the years
The community was good when it started, like any other. But as more people sweep in, there's a higher variety of people, and it just starts to become a mess of people using ****** memes and spamming it everywhere it shouldn't be, and people completely hating on it because of this fanbase, because of their opinion, or because they just want to. It happens for every community like this.
That's not to say there is an issue here. Toby worked with Homestuck, so he realises how a community influences the game. I think he developed the more-comedy-than-realtalk style because he knew it would draw in a community and the game would stick for longer and all that, - but that's just speculation
this is all just my cup of tea, there'll always be different people liking different things, but I got time to spare in discussing, so, yeah...
he did delay the game about 2 years, so I guess there's no excuse
also the determination thing is actually used as an in-game plot device for SOUL experimentation but yeah, the whole 'determination' thing isn't meant to have a mechanic
I'm not trying to justify Undertale to you - just give you reasons to reconsider.
Mother and such are officially branded Nintendo names - they had a lot of work into them, and although they do sparkle better than Undertale - I feel like Undertale is a make-up in the lack of earthbound-style content we've had over the years
The community was good when it started, like any other. But as more people sweep in, there's a higher variety of people, and it just starts to become a mess of people using ****** memes and spamming it everywhere it shouldn't be, and people completely hating on it because of this fanbase, because of their opinion, or because they just want to. It happens for every community like this.
That's not to say there is an issue here. Toby worked with Homestuck, so he realises how a community influences the game. I think he developed the more-comedy-than-realtalk style because he knew it would draw in a community and the game would stick for longer and all that, - but that's just speculation
this is all just my cup of tea, there'll always be different people liking different things, but I got time to spare in discussing, so, yeah...
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trolololel ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-]
You make some good points, and while I still disagree about the perceived quality of Undertale, a lot of it boils down to either the cash-to-fun ratio or subjective opinions on what makes you laugh.
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polarpulse ONLINE (11/12/2015) [-] Nah man I just wanna run around and quick scope kids
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polarpulse ONLINE (11/12/2015) [-] Oh **** lemme go look play that then
The one thing I enjoyed was the music, I love 8-bit/16 bit/retro music it was pretty cool other than that my autism wont let me enjoy games like this
The one thing I enjoyed was the music, I love 8-bit/16 bit/retro music it was pretty cool other than that my autism wont let me enjoy games like this
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profanitizer (11/13/2015) [-] "graphics are meant to be retro, tribute to earthbound / mother games"
I've noticed how if, say, I made a game where you fight people with a shovel and dig up loot with modern day graphics and with an X axis, that will be stupid, who will play that? Take off a dimension and make the graphics 8/16 bit, WABLAM. 10/10 on steam.
This is why I hate games made to look retro. If you make it look good, you get mehs from everyone. Make it look old, and it's art.
I've noticed how if, say, I made a game where you fight people with a shovel and dig up loot with modern day graphics and with an X axis, that will be stupid, who will play that? Take off a dimension and make the graphics 8/16 bit, WABLAM. 10/10 on steam.
This is why I hate games made to look retro. If you make it look good, you get mehs from everyone. Make it look old, and it's art.
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traceirving ONLINE (11/14/2015) [-] That's because people who don't make games always assume retro art is easy to make look good because of the lack of fidelity, which is wrong.
The reverse is true too. Anyone can make 3D art now, and actually, anyone can make it look good too thanks to the accessibility of UE4. Because of the massive amount of development 3D art has had, there are tools for just about everything you could need to make it look good. Retro art has to be manually created, so yeah, people praise it.
So to me, people who say they hate retro looking games because they think they're lazy come across as super edgy, because the 'ease of making retro art' argument is ******** and poorly thought through.
The reverse is true too. Anyone can make 3D art now, and actually, anyone can make it look good too thanks to the accessibility of UE4. Because of the massive amount of development 3D art has had, there are tools for just about everything you could need to make it look good. Retro art has to be manually created, so yeah, people praise it.
So to me, people who say they hate retro looking games because they think they're lazy come across as super edgy, because the 'ease of making retro art' argument is ******** and poorly thought through.
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muffincannibal ONLINE (11/12/2015) [-] Kinda sorta actual spoilers The tutorial in itself was the story dude, even Flowey teaching you was a trick
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polarpulse ONLINE (11/12/2015) [-] Man I don't even play the game I just get a kick out of fans protecting their games and calling me bad words its fun and i meet interesting people
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polarpulse ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] my responses range from 1 sec when im doing nothing
1 hour max when i'm playing LoL
and max 8 hours when im away
1 hour max when i'm playing LoL
and max 8 hours when im away
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muffincannibal ONLINE (11/12/2015) [-] I saw someone give the link to some Jinx porn earlier, and now I'm seeing the reaction picture used everywhere, even used out of context.
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polarpulse ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] I don't remember changing any of the options but i'll go look and see if something changed by accident
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vvardenfell (11/13/2015) [-] You're probably rusing but I'll asume you're just being a general dick.
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papagascoigne ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] play it, every one ***** on it for being over hyped, i played it. and its pretty hype honestly.
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cisdroidcommander (11/13/2015) [-] i`ll never join your fandom I havent really seen any bad undertale fan yet so it feels like its a good fandom.
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cisdroidcommander (11/12/2015) [-] But if its as good as people have said it is i dont think its right to not buy it
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thematthew ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] my rule is if you have the money, buy it, if you don't, torrent it.
if you can't afford it, torrenting isn't stealing sense you wern't going to buy it in the first place.
if you can't afford it, torrenting isn't stealing sense you wern't going to buy it in the first place.
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cisdroidcommander (11/13/2015) [-] true. Im probably gonna get it later though. It looks good and the music is great.
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thematthew ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] everyone loves the music, one thing i see a lot of people hate is the combat, i don't know why but the combat being boring is a pretty common complaint.
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cisdroidcommander (11/13/2015) [-] interesting. I haven't heard any negative comments yet. Its like they only appear after you decide to play the game.
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thematthew ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] the complaints are few and far in between, and boring combat is one of the only ones i've heard.
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anon (11/13/2015) [-]
Heres a complaint.
The game has a serious Impaired Morale Compass when it comes to judging whats right and whats wrong. Do a genocide run and your litterally hitler. There are actually people who play the game that judge others for doing a genocide run. The game pretty much bashes you over the head with the choice. Yet, Then there is Dr. Alphys, Play a true pacifist run and pay very close attention to her personality. Her character. Give here a pyshce evaluation. Go through the True Lab., But hey I am the bad guy right?
The game has a serious Impaired Morale Compass when it comes to judging whats right and whats wrong. Do a genocide run and your litterally hitler. There are actually people who play the game that judge others for doing a genocide run. The game pretty much bashes you over the head with the choice. Yet, Then there is Dr. Alphys, Play a true pacifist run and pay very close attention to her personality. Her character. Give here a pyshce evaluation. Go through the True Lab., But hey I am the bad guy right?
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thematthew ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] > kills everyone and sells soul to devil
> "i'm not bad, that person who accidentally saved a lot of lives and felt really bad because of the way she did it and lied is bad"
> "i'm not bad, that person who accidentally saved a lot of lives and felt really bad because of the way she did it and lied is bad"
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mrspyder ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] **mrspyder used "*roll picture*"**
**mrspyder rolled image**
i slowly progressed through the fight by dying. then dying again. and again. and again. and again. i could say that atleast 312 times or so but im just not gonna
so i came from dying at the start of the battle to no hits through the half of the battle. felt so ******* great finally beating him.
**mrspyder rolled image**
i slowly progressed through the fight by dying. then dying again. and again. and again. and again. i could say that atleast 312 times or so but im just not gonna
so i came from dying at the start of the battle to no hits through the half of the battle. felt so ******* great finally beating him.
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ledd (11/13/2015) [-] After I learned every other pattern I died 10 extra times just trying to nail that.
Hitbox turns off awful late on those lazers so keep distance. You might feel like lazers are slowly catching up on you, but it's fine, only when they get very close try moving closer to the center to "get away" (obviously the closer to the center you are the faster you rotate compared to the lazer, that's how circle's circumference works).
Hitbox turns off awful late on those lazers so keep distance. You might feel like lazers are slowly catching up on you, but it's fine, only when they get very close try moving closer to the center to "get away" (obviously the closer to the center you are the faster you rotate compared to the lazer, that's how circle's circumference works).
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anaraledien (11/13/2015) [-] That's what you get for playing the genocide run. You get punished.
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theinvisibletheift (11/13/2015) [-]
5/10 didn't see why there was so much hype
then i got to the endgame
instant jump to 10/10
Great game. Would reccommend.
then i got to the endgame
instant jump to 10/10
Great game. Would reccommend.
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
Can you spoil what's so great about the endgame?
Is it the narrative appeal? It made your oxytocin levels skyrocket? Because honestly, I don't see what else can a game do that would be so great...
Is it the narrative appeal? It made your oxytocin levels skyrocket? Because honestly, I don't see what else can a game do that would be so great...
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
Oh. Do you mean it is the intricacy of the story that is fascinating?
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
Oh. And now we're back to emotional appeal. You're not strong on literary criticism, are you?
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dtox (11/13/2015) [-] well here, let me try to give a little more insight...
The emotional appeal is certainly a big part of it, many people go in without knowing what to expect from the game's initial appearance and get surprised when several themes come up.
but what i truly feel what gives it its notoriety is a couple of things; the games ability to change its tone on a dime (huge differences between the genocide and pacifist routes), and its "self awareness." it puts itself on a "meta" level by acknowledging the actions of the player in several ways, some of which having an impact on the story telling.
as well, you can keep exploring the game's narrative and you will find more and more, you keep going and you just find more. Through one way or another the game straight up rewards curiosity to an exceptional extent. this goes beyond the actual game, as there were quite a few interesting things discovered that were only possible to find by editing the files of the game itself.
The emotional appeal is certainly a big part of it, many people go in without knowing what to expect from the game's initial appearance and get surprised when several themes come up.
but what i truly feel what gives it its notoriety is a couple of things; the games ability to change its tone on a dime (huge differences between the genocide and pacifist routes), and its "self awareness." it puts itself on a "meta" level by acknowledging the actions of the player in several ways, some of which having an impact on the story telling.
as well, you can keep exploring the game's narrative and you will find more and more, you keep going and you just find more. Through one way or another the game straight up rewards curiosity to an exceptional extent. this goes beyond the actual game, as there were quite a few interesting things discovered that were only possible to find by editing the files of the game itself.
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
I'm sure you're joking, but in case you are not: that is not at all what I am saying.
I'm only encouraging you to look at a literary work with more care, and try to understand better what is fundamentally "good" about it. It is through criticism, not solipsism, that we get better art and entertainment.
I'm only encouraging you to look at a literary work with more care, and try to understand better what is fundamentally "good" about it. It is through criticism, not solipsism, that we get better art and entertainment.
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migueldecervantes (11/13/2015) [-]
I am too busy at the moment to invest myself into a game, but I'll keep it in mind for later on.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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theinvisibletheift (11/14/2015) [-]
the story just got fleshed out really damn well. It starts out as "ok this is a thing," and it just kinda grew on you as a cute game. gameplay is interesting, and there's plenty of variance between different enemies and bosses. I thought the mercy mechanic was a nice thing. All in all, not bad, but not really standing up to any of the hype.
But the ending. Holy **** the ending. The most insignificant character literally takes over the game. There's a lot of clever sequences For example, when you die against the final boss, your game crashes. After it crashes, though, you start it up and it remembers what happened before. It keeps multiple save states and shoves you around to them at random points in time while you're fighting the big baddie.
The story telling and the way it ties together was amazing. Silly, yeah, but damn good. Little things that you find start piecing together until you just have this massive ******* revelation. I stopped playing and stared at my screen moaning noooooooooooooooooooo for about 5 minutes when i figured one thing out. Everything you did, no matter how insignificant it seemed at the time, means a lot at the end. The monsters you took the time to talk to alter the experience, same as the ones you didnt. I mean it's not a huge change, but oh jesus the emotions.
I will unashamedly admit that i cried a little. ok a lot
But the ending. Holy **** the ending. The most insignificant character literally takes over the game. There's a lot of clever sequences For example, when you die against the final boss, your game crashes. After it crashes, though, you start it up and it remembers what happened before. It keeps multiple save states and shoves you around to them at random points in time while you're fighting the big baddie.
The story telling and the way it ties together was amazing. Silly, yeah, but damn good. Little things that you find start piecing together until you just have this massive ******* revelation. I stopped playing and stared at my screen moaning noooooooooooooooooooo for about 5 minutes when i figured one thing out. Everything you did, no matter how insignificant it seemed at the time, means a lot at the end. The monsters you took the time to talk to alter the experience, same as the ones you didnt. I mean it's not a huge change, but oh jesus the emotions.
I will unashamedly admit that i cried a little. ok a lot
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boxcarracer (11/13/2015) [-] 
The game is for the most part all cutesy feelsy until the endgame, and then this happens. Spoilers obviously
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boogihead ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] I could careless for how Goat Mom was drawn, but this still made me laugh.
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jaevel (11/13/2015) [-] Judging from the art style, I would suspect kioon321.deviantart.com/ to be the artist.
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juaneljalapeno (11/12/2015) [-] I was thinking about doing a full animation of this, but idk yet
I think Sans is reasonably easy to draw, and his attacks are kinda simple too, so i am considering to do a animation of this for my school project
Jezus christ i'm going to make a piece of ****
I think Sans is reasonably easy to draw, and his attacks are kinda simple too, so i am considering to do a animation of this for my school project
Jezus christ i'm going to make a piece of ****
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juaneljalapeno (11/13/2015) [-] The only problem is that i have little experience with animating, so i will try, but not sure if completely possible
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juaneljalapeno (11/13/2015) [-] Idk man, animating takes a lot longer and is a lot longer, especially on a fast paced thing like sans' fight
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alfonshister ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] Work on it until you're satisfied.
When you aren't, identify the problem and solve it. Repeat until you're okay with it.
And don't forget that there are always haters. That doesn't mean that your work is mediocre. It's interesting enough to attract them.
Stay optimistic!
When you aren't, identify the problem and solve it. Repeat until you're okay with it.
And don't forget that there are always haters. That doesn't mean that your work is mediocre. It's interesting enough to attract them.
Stay optimistic!
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juaneljalapeno (11/13/2015) [-] Yeah, i probably have 3 or 5 months to work on it, so i think it's gonna work, i will post it on FJ if i do it tho, keep people updated on progress if they wanna see it
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alfonshister ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] 3 or 5 months of work Sounds pretty long.
I guess you will just work on it on weekends and you never did anything similar before?
I guess you will just work on it on weekends and you never did anything similar before?
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juaneljalapeno (11/13/2015) [-] Something like that yeah, i mean, i got some artistic talent so drawing scenes won't be too bad, and there are a lot of people to help me, so ye
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alfonshister ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] I think that what you need is a good software so you won't have to re-draw every single frame.
Other than that, good luck! Mention me every time you upload something!
Other than that, good luck! Mention me every time you upload something!
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MilfordEntertainer (11/13/2015) [-] There was an amazing version of this song only with a gabe the dog remix. Anyone have that video? Please I beg you.
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regularorange (11/13/2015) [-] >People talking about having trouble fighting sans in the genocide run
>Have trouble seeing Toriel accidentally die on playthroughs
How can you people live with yourself?
>Have trouble seeing Toriel accidentally die on playthroughs
How can you people live with yourself?
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komandantmirkoo (11/13/2015) [-] tin foil hat time.
we can all agree that toby makes good music right?
what if he created this game just to sell copies of his mixtape which is in the game.
we've been bamboozled.
we can all agree that toby makes good music right?
what if he created this game just to sell copies of his mixtape which is in the game.
we've been bamboozled.
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anon (11/13/2015) [-]
Say whatever negative things about Undertale or the fanbase that you want, the Sans fight is very well done, and that theme is jammin.
And I'm not even in love with the game like the rest of the internet.
And I'm not even in love with the game like the rest of the internet.
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turtlewithashotgun (11/13/2015) [-] Just finally beat that fight today, the video brought back a lot of anger.
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aquaekk (11/13/2015) [-] it's a decently recent retro-style bullet-hell turn-based rpg game based around the story, with a "no-one has to die" gameplay mechanic.
it's very good if you like a good story, decently fun if you're into turn based rpgs
or good if you want something out of the norm or crave the old style that Mother games and such provided
it's very good if you like a good story, decently fun if you're into turn based rpgs
or good if you want something out of the norm or crave the old style that Mother games and such provided
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klux ONLINE (11/24/2015) [-] I Wanna try beating sans so bad but i could never bring myself to do the genocide,even if i can truly wipe my data or reset before approaching asgore.
Oh my, look at the time!
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chucknorrisisreal (11/13/2015) [-] Lame, the entire fight + plus the ending isn't animated.
I. DEMAND. MORE.
I. DEMAND. MORE.
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papagascoigne ONLINE (11/13/2015) [-] im awful with bullet hells, i dont think i could do a genocide run. sans would be a giant wall
