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usernameis [OP](12/15/2015) [+] (2 replies)
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vpiii ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-] I don't quite understand Chara. Chara seemed nice enough in the tapes in the lab, The last tape made it seem like Chara had sacraficed themselves so that they would've had 1 soul for the barrier. Then why did Chara take over Frisk and kill everybody in the underground/earth/timeline ect. ? Am i missing some clues that Chara was evil from the start?
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anon (12/15/2015) [-]
If you do a True Pacifist run and walk ALL THE WAY BACK to where you fell at the beginning of the game (as shown in this comic), you can find out the truth about Chara.
Also, hints of how sinister Chara exists in the tape where Asgore got food poisoning from the flowers and Charac "laughed it off" showing a lack of empathy. While without further information, one may interpret Chara's sacrifice revealed in the tapes to be altruistic, going back to the very first room in a True Pacifist run reveals that Chara sacrificed her soul, TOOK OVER ASRIEL'S BODY, and tried to reignite the war between humans and monsters. Asriel reasserted control a the last second and saved them all.
The irony here is that this is what Toriel wanted Agore to do near the end of the True Pacifist run, but Asriel sacrificed his life to avoid such a drastic measure (going up and forcibly taking more human souls) to break the barrier.
Also, hints of how sinister Chara exists in the tape where Asgore got food poisoning from the flowers and Charac "laughed it off" showing a lack of empathy. While without further information, one may interpret Chara's sacrifice revealed in the tapes to be altruistic, going back to the very first room in a True Pacifist run reveals that Chara sacrificed her soul, TOOK OVER ASRIEL'S BODY, and tried to reignite the war between humans and monsters. Asriel reasserted control a the last second and saved them all.
The irony here is that this is what Toriel wanted Agore to do near the end of the True Pacifist run, but Asriel sacrificed his life to avoid such a drastic measure (going up and forcibly taking more human souls) to break the barrier.
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usernameis [OP](12/15/2015) [-] Yeah, I was wondering about that one too
You commented fast, lurking the Undertale channel?
You commented fast, lurking the Undertale channel?
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bluemagebrilly (12/15/2015) [-] Chara is shown as the "Big bad" but she did seem to still like the monsters back when she was alive. She wasn't the "best person", but she was good enough that Toriel + Asgore adopted her and Asriel refers to her as his 'best friend.' It's likely the hatred of humans she felt before her death influenced the Genocide and the constant violence + resets would cause her spirit to become even more twisted.
So, while she is the "big bad", there was still a small spark of light down inside her. Whatever happened to her pre-fall + the resets just buried that light. I imagine Asriel refusing to obey her when they fused and how the humans were treating him also affected her spirit's personality.
So, while she is the "big bad", there was still a small spark of light down inside her. Whatever happened to her pre-fall + the resets just buried that light. I imagine Asriel refusing to obey her when they fused and how the humans were treating him also affected her spirit's personality.
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assassindash ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-] >Poisons adoptive Father as a joke, and had the brother help him do it, and smiled as everyone else cried for the fear of losing him.
>Poisons self so Brother can take his soul and he can steal 7 human souls, but carries own body against Asriel's will to spite the humans into attacking him, so he can use his Brother's hand to kill them.
>Brother holds evil brother back from killing the humans, fighting his brother's urge to kill all of them the entire time.
>Only reason adopted was because first human to fall ever, and was suppose to be the bridge to peace between both, adoption was purely diplomatic, despite the king and queen's kindness.
>During genocide run, it's Chara's words asking for violent things, not Frisk's, this is why referring you yourself in the mirror says it's me, "fallen child's name here", because you're not Frisk, this killing spree is Chara.
>Will straight up kill you if you disagree with your actions at the end, proving it's not a guidance thing at all.
>Not one bit of mercy for any of the monsters, ever the brother who was supposedly his best friend (Even kill him while he was crying and wearing his old face), or Goat Father who did nothing wrong to him from the beginning, who he also poisoned despite that as a joke. Again, smiling as he was laying sick.
>And then takes control of your character after asking for your soul at the end, purely so Chara can kill both monsters and humans alike, over, and over, and over again. Because despite killing all the monsters underground, their souls don't persist and give power to Chara, so Chara needs a pacifist ending where his brother Asriel opens the barrier, so Chara can kill everyone again, once and for all, INCLUDING the monsters.
>This is why Chara restores the world in the first place, and why she gets mad if you continue to kill everyone over and over. (Which is ****** up, because that means Asriel's actions still get all the humans and monsters killed in the end, all thanks to his brother.)
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Sure, spark of light....
>Poisons self so Brother can take his soul and he can steal 7 human souls, but carries own body against Asriel's will to spite the humans into attacking him, so he can use his Brother's hand to kill them.
>Brother holds evil brother back from killing the humans, fighting his brother's urge to kill all of them the entire time.
>Only reason adopted was because first human to fall ever, and was suppose to be the bridge to peace between both, adoption was purely diplomatic, despite the king and queen's kindness.
>During genocide run, it's Chara's words asking for violent things, not Frisk's, this is why referring you yourself in the mirror says it's me, "fallen child's name here", because you're not Frisk, this killing spree is Chara.
>Will straight up kill you if you disagree with your actions at the end, proving it's not a guidance thing at all.
>Not one bit of mercy for any of the monsters, ever the brother who was supposedly his best friend (Even kill him while he was crying and wearing his old face), or Goat Father who did nothing wrong to him from the beginning, who he also poisoned despite that as a joke. Again, smiling as he was laying sick.
>And then takes control of your character after asking for your soul at the end, purely so Chara can kill both monsters and humans alike, over, and over, and over again. Because despite killing all the monsters underground, their souls don't persist and give power to Chara, so Chara needs a pacifist ending where his brother Asriel opens the barrier, so Chara can kill everyone again, once and for all, INCLUDING the monsters.
>This is why Chara restores the world in the first place, and why she gets mad if you continue to kill everyone over and over. (Which is ****** up, because that means Asriel's actions still get all the humans and monsters killed in the end, all thanks to his brother.)
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Sure, spark of light....
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bluemagebrilly (12/15/2015) [-] Most of what you said came from after she became a spirit corrupted by everything. The only things pre-death were the poisons.
I don't think the poisoning of the father was entirely intentional, but I don't recall the text around that. They were trying to make "Butterscotch pie" and ended up using the deadly buttercups for it. That's stuff children accidentally do all the time. I'm guilty of stupid things as a kid too.
Pre-death with the poison, she reasoned that if she killed himself and let Asriel get human souls, then the monsters could be free. Yes, deep down I think she just wanted to kill all the humans for whatever caused her pain before she fell into the underground, but there was still some part of her that wanted the monsters free.
The carrying of her body was... possibly Asriel following her dying wish of seeing the flowers, even though he knew the truth behind her death. The anger she felt after seeing humans was most likely due to their reactions to Asriel's form, rather than just her wanting to kill everyone. If it hadn't been for how they reacted, I think they would have killed the 6 other humans and just gone home.
It's also possible that having Chara's body around would have allowed Asriel to restore her life if he had 7 other human souls inside him, thus requiring him to take the body with him. But that's just speculation, just like it's speculation on why the king and queen adopted Chara.
So I still think there is a spark of light down there, even if it's rather small.
I don't think the poisoning of the father was entirely intentional, but I don't recall the text around that. They were trying to make "Butterscotch pie" and ended up using the deadly buttercups for it. That's stuff children accidentally do all the time. I'm guilty of stupid things as a kid too.
Pre-death with the poison, she reasoned that if she killed himself and let Asriel get human souls, then the monsters could be free. Yes, deep down I think she just wanted to kill all the humans for whatever caused her pain before she fell into the underground, but there was still some part of her that wanted the monsters free.
The carrying of her body was... possibly Asriel following her dying wish of seeing the flowers, even though he knew the truth behind her death. The anger she felt after seeing humans was most likely due to their reactions to Asriel's form, rather than just her wanting to kill everyone. If it hadn't been for how they reacted, I think they would have killed the 6 other humans and just gone home.
It's also possible that having Chara's body around would have allowed Asriel to restore her life if he had 7 other human souls inside him, thus requiring him to take the body with him. But that's just speculation, just like it's speculation on why the king and queen adopted Chara.
So I still think there is a spark of light down there, even if it's rather small.
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assassindash ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-] No it wasn't, that body part I mean, Asriel himself says that it was Chara who carried his own body up top. And that it was Chara who said to use buttercups, and Chara smiled at his Father's sufferings. Chara knew exactly what Chara was doing when Chara poisoned Asgore.
Seriously, that child is nothing but evil, and as for the diplomatic bit, remember what's always said when you die in Undertale? It's King Asgore speaking to you, but what does he say?
"I love you, please don't go."
"I'll help you however I can to survive."
"My son, please live."
Nope....
It's always, "you are the hope between monsters and humans." "The fate of monster kind rests on you." "You cannot give up just yet."
Does any of that sound like he cares about Chara specifically on his death bed? That's why I say Chara was a diplomatic adoption, and was not adopted for any other reason. You didn't dispute me on that point, I just felt like more evidence was needed.
And no, you can't store human souls in a human body. The only reason Flowey can store both monster and human souls is because Flowey is neither monster, nor human, but a plant without a soul. Again, this is why Chara waits until the end of the true pacifist ending of Undertale to take control. Because Chara needs a monster to break the barrier with the souls gathered. Exactly. Like. Before.....
And Chara also kills all of the monsters after forcibly taking control of you, and there is literally NO reason Chara should be corrupted after death as well, because the human soul persists just fine after death, and there's a reason why Flowey immediately recognizes your actions as the actions of his brother if you start a genocide run immediately.... Because that's what his Brother was like, he just lacked the power before.
Now, There is one important bit, how was Chara able to get inside Frisk if human's can't share bodies?
Simple, they just don't share.... Explaining that would be slightly off topic, but if I piqued your interest, we can change subjects if you wish.
Seriously, that child is nothing but evil, and as for the diplomatic bit, remember what's always said when you die in Undertale? It's King Asgore speaking to you, but what does he say?
"I love you, please don't go."
"I'll help you however I can to survive."
"My son, please live."
Nope....
It's always, "you are the hope between monsters and humans." "The fate of monster kind rests on you." "You cannot give up just yet."
Does any of that sound like he cares about Chara specifically on his death bed? That's why I say Chara was a diplomatic adoption, and was not adopted for any other reason. You didn't dispute me on that point, I just felt like more evidence was needed.
And no, you can't store human souls in a human body. The only reason Flowey can store both monster and human souls is because Flowey is neither monster, nor human, but a plant without a soul. Again, this is why Chara waits until the end of the true pacifist ending of Undertale to take control. Because Chara needs a monster to break the barrier with the souls gathered. Exactly. Like. Before.....
And Chara also kills all of the monsters after forcibly taking control of you, and there is literally NO reason Chara should be corrupted after death as well, because the human soul persists just fine after death, and there's a reason why Flowey immediately recognizes your actions as the actions of his brother if you start a genocide run immediately.... Because that's what his Brother was like, he just lacked the power before.
Now, There is one important bit, how was Chara able to get inside Frisk if human's can't share bodies?
Simple, they just don't share.... Explaining that would be slightly off topic, but if I piqued your interest, we can change subjects if you wish.
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windscrotum ONLINE (12/16/2015) [-]
tell us plz
ive been trying to figure it out for ages
ive been trying to figure it out for ages
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assassindash ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Alright, sorry I took so long, computer and mouse shut down and I can't seem to find the programs taking up my local disc space....
Anyway....
I have a theory that in order for a human soul to latch on to the living body of another human is to completely take over their soul. They simply can't coincide unless one of them is completely overtaken. That's why Chara's, if you disobey the path of genocide, influence, words, and atmosphere immediately ends. Frisk's original soul only needs to win once in order to push out Chara's.
However, Chara, being the invading soul without a body, only needs to be pushed out once to never return. Two human souls just simply can't share a body, they're like two magnets constantly pushing one another. If the home soul is beaten, it gets either destroyed, or absorbed by the other invading soul. The only way for the home soul to escape at that point and act out how it would, is to give in completely to the invading soul, hence why Chara asks for just that.
The ending in which Frisk gives his name is the true ending, hence why his name is given, Frisk is kind and caring and wouldn't hurt a fly, Chara however is awful, terrible, and evil, and forces Frisk to kill everyone.
Anyway....
I have a theory that in order for a human soul to latch on to the living body of another human is to completely take over their soul. They simply can't coincide unless one of them is completely overtaken. That's why Chara's, if you disobey the path of genocide, influence, words, and atmosphere immediately ends. Frisk's original soul only needs to win once in order to push out Chara's.
However, Chara, being the invading soul without a body, only needs to be pushed out once to never return. Two human souls just simply can't share a body, they're like two magnets constantly pushing one another. If the home soul is beaten, it gets either destroyed, or absorbed by the other invading soul. The only way for the home soul to escape at that point and act out how it would, is to give in completely to the invading soul, hence why Chara asks for just that.
The ending in which Frisk gives his name is the true ending, hence why his name is given, Frisk is kind and caring and wouldn't hurt a fly, Chara however is awful, terrible, and evil, and forces Frisk to kill everyone.
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windscrotum ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-]
I think you're onto something with the magnet analogy, It's very much in line with the theme of the game, I just wish i could find a theory that explains how Chara's soul could persist well enough to play puppet master with Frisk and Flowey without resorting to "fukken determination brah". The hole in the storyline there is my only big problem with the game, since it kind of devalues the whole "love conquers all" theme of the true pacifist ending. Also, I have problems with suspension of disbelief.
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assassindash ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Honestly, I think Chara's soul continues to persist purely because he's holding on to Asriel's soul after death, otherwise that reincarnation of Asriel in the form of Flowey should still have his soul. It might also be why Chara is the only being Asriel still feels for, because Chara is keeping Asriel's soul hostage.
It's already been said a human's soul continues to persist after death, so it's not that unlikely Chara just simply refuses to move on, but like you, a lot of people believe that's too simple. Personally I believe the whole "Persist after death" but the Asriel thing is something I hope for, because that can mean everyone can literally be saved if Chara is defeated.
It's already been said a human's soul continues to persist after death, so it's not that unlikely Chara just simply refuses to move on, but like you, a lot of people believe that's too simple. Personally I believe the whole "Persist after death" but the Asriel thing is something I hope for, because that can mean everyone can literally be saved if Chara is defeated.
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windscrotum ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-]
Damn, I think you got it. Now I just hope people can find your theory on Google.
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assassindash ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Good ******* luck man, A lot of the theories I have there's tons of people who are impressed, but nobody has ever heard anything I said before.
Honestly I'm tempted to create a theory compilation for various games and see how that goes.
Honestly I'm tempted to create a theory compilation for various games and see how that goes.
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assassindash ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-] Oh and one more ****** up bit, Asgore Cries saying he wants to see his son, not sons.... He didn't even see Chara is his child in the end....
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sirgawain (12/21/2015) [-] Just chiming in about the poisoning- I'm fairly sure that WAS an accident, but Chara, being an unstable child, laughs off scary trauma like that (imo to fool themself into thinking everything's alright.)
It's likely that they were lectured about buttercups being poisonous, which gave Chara the idea to poison themself. It would make it so that Toriel and Asgore didn't think it was their fault (they can't control illness, after all), they could use their soul to leave, get human souls, and break the barrier, and some humans would die (Asriel mentions she HATES humans).
It's likely that they were lectured about buttercups being poisonous, which gave Chara the idea to poison themself. It would make it so that Toriel and Asgore didn't think it was their fault (they can't control illness, after all), they could use their soul to leave, get human souls, and break the barrier, and some humans would die (Asriel mentions she HATES humans).
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thechosentroll (12/16/2015) [-] **** 'EM! Not literally, though. Enough with the *********** . People are gonna start thinking Undertale is ISIS propaganda.
Collateral damage. He's ****** no matter what you do anyway.
Collateral damage. He's ****** no matter what you do anyway.
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hanklecram ONLINE (12/15/2015) [-] It's nice to see some previously unseen Undertale content...
goood yeess
goood yeess
