Effect of Feminism 145. . In France any paternity testing without a court order is banned due to the official desire to "preserve the peace" within French famil
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Effect of Feminism 145

In France any paternity testing without
a court order is banned due to the
official desire to "preserve the peace"
within French families, with the French
government citing psychologists who
state that
fatherhood is determined by society
rather than biology.
If a French man orders a paternity test
via internet or by telephone, not only
the shipment may be confiscated by the
customs but he risks a year in prison
and a fine of ( Euro,
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Submitted: 08/25/2014
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#12 - esawekfc (08/25/2014) [+] (16 replies)
I'm french and i can confirm this, people usually go to belgium if they want to get a test like this made
User avatar #29 - demandsgayversion (08/25/2014) [+] (24 replies)
Why is this a bad thing?
User avatar #30 to #29 - teranin ONLINE (08/25/2014) [-]
Imagine you're a man. Imagine you marry a girl when she says she is pregnant with your child. Imagine she lied, and you are on the hook for all of your money, she admitted she lied in private but in court, asserted you are the father and must pay.

Then imagine your right to bring evidence to protect yourself isn't a right, but rather something that can only be offered by a biased legal system, and the country you live in has made it ILLEGAL to attempt to discover the truth on your own or acquire that evidence without said biased courts taking sympathy on you/you getting incredibly lucky with judge.

See the issue?
#5 - grantyboy (08/25/2014) [+] (27 replies)
Ah but is motherhood societal - is there true equality? Can't the father just get another woman to babysit and then argue that they have assumed motherhood? Somehow I get the feeling this wont work. A man who has been cornered into fatherhood won't make a great parent: he will be apathetic, withdrawn or even contemptuous of the child. I'd just slap it in public until it was taken by the state.

Conclusion: if this law is true it is not about the children, its about giving women power over men who may never have even spoken to them and forcing them to pay and care for a child. If they could not find a reliable male and yet still did not abort the baby then it is their responsibility. If there was true equality then responsibility for a child would also be at the fathers discretion. If he does not want it but the woman does, she has to care and pay for it.

inb4 HE should have worn a condom.
>implying you only need a male to make a baby
>implying they are 100% effective
>implying she didn't stick a needle through it or come off the pill

Maybe that's a bit right wing but at the very least you must be the biological father to be responsible.

You should not blame the victim, but that does not mean you should create another one to suffice.
#54 - gammajk (08/26/2014) [+] (3 replies)
Tell me, frenchmen, is this the future you fought for? Is this better than the Nazis?
#9 - biebergotswag (08/25/2014) [+] (7 replies)
but to be fair, if a man, or a woman (given the ability of having In vitro fertilisation in the current age) that asks for a paternity test at a wimp without any reasonable proof is just asking for trouble, because this act will quickly erode the trust within the family, and cause great harm to the child in question.

also it is said that it is banned only "without a court order", and if there a enough proof of adultery, such a order can be aquired by taking the issue to the courts.

i don't honestly see a problem with this law.
and yes politicians will say anything to get more attention, even if it have nothing to do with the law in question.
#10 to #9 - grantyboy (08/25/2014) [-]
What's everyone got to be afraid of the truth for? You should be completely free to perform a paternity test if you wish. Are you also of the mind we should ban medical examinations on the grounds that, until symptoms appear, you are not getting sick?
User avatar #58 - itumblr (08/26/2014) [+] (1 reply)
Fatherhood is determined by society, not biology. Just because you came in her does not mean you are the father. The real man (& father) is the one who steps up to the plate and takes care of the child.
User avatar #60 to #58 - mrnpc (08/26/2014) [-]
assuming anyone wants to.
User avatar #6 - falbwuh (08/25/2014) [+] (2 replies)
I'm inclined to believe this is complete ******** , but don't care enough to look it up.
#97 - thepastamaypwnyou (08/26/2014) [-]
Basically they split up the kid and father, if the father orders a paternity test. So they can keep the peace in a family?
#73 - dronenortle (08/26/2014) [+] (1 reply)
Feminist are sexist.
They don't want equality.
I once punched an asian in the throat.
I hope he solving my inequalities.
User avatar #71 - iviagic (08/26/2014) [+] (2 replies)
France is rather famous for being a secularist piece of **** .
User avatar #78 to #71 - ecalycptus ONLINE (08/26/2014) [-]
>Implying secularism is not what's best for a country
User avatar #1 - dabronydude (08/25/2014) [+] (4 replies)
this can be both good and bad, sort of a half and half deal,
on one side the real dad has few rights to his kid if his whore ex wife says the kid belongs
to another guy but on the other side bitches can not force men that did not want a child to
pay or look after the thing.
User avatar #2 to #1 - teranin ONLINE (08/25/2014) [-]
Yes, they can. By simply stating he is the father. He cannot use evidence to protect himself from such an accusation.
User avatar #85 - emptysuperman (08/26/2014) [+] (5 replies)
This is a good thing. Does FJ think different?
User avatar #100 to #89 - noisia (08/26/2014) [-]
I didn't consider it like that. Upon re-reading the above, it seems that it's quite ambiguous what they mean when they say that fatherhood is determined by society.

I didn't read it as a "If I don't want to be a dad, I won't be a dad" I read it as "You will be a dad whether you're the biological parent or not."

I saw it more as:

>Have girlfriend/wife
>She cheats and gets pregnant
>I find out and break up/divorce with her
>Law insists I pay for child support for a child that is not mine

Or

>Woman gets knocked up by some stranger on a one night stand
>She cannot afford to raise child by herself
>Meets me, we have sex
>Tells me that I've knocked her up and I have to pay child support
>Law does not allow me to do DNA test to prove otherwise and forces me to pay for 18 years.
#83 - mr skeltal (08/26/2014) [+] (1 reply)
err.. I think this is the example of some edgy kid really trying to get his woman-hating point accross.

In most of the Europe paternity testing is done primary by courts. I believe there a lot of personal reasons why and also there are few legal reasons why.
First of all people who do tests will want some legal outcome at the end, unless they simply want to spend their money. So usually paternity testing happens during an ongoing court case (usually determining parent's rights / divorce). A test done outside a court case should be legalised or even simpler - national law provides / court rules that only court issued order for the testing will eventually make the test result usable in a case.
So firstly, there are bareley any reasons to conduct such a test to begin with.
Also France has pretty standard family courts and they won't avoid the testing where it is normally done in the rest of EU and further.
User avatar #118 - privatepumpanickel (08/26/2014) [+] (3 replies)
the amount of guy friends I have who are not allowed to see their children because "it's the mother's right" really saddens me. I have a child, and i'm happy to see my ex (the father) cuddle her and show her as much love as he can and can see her whenever he wants, unless there is an obvious legit obstacle like a doctor's appointment. I'm sick of these women tearing my friend's rights to be a father away.
#69 - fecal (08/26/2014) [-]
bit of a biased conclusion actually. This goes both ways as it will also block women from proving someone ís the father in many cases.
User avatar #66 - solarisofcelestia (08/26/2014) [+] (1 reply)
Wouldn't that work the other way around as well? A woman cannot claim any man to be the father of her child unless a test can prove it so.
#64 - levvy (08/26/2014) [-]
Keep your filth in your ****** EU,

I want to keep my morals and freedom!
#57 - drakes (08/26/2014) [-]
"Rihanna?" Drake asks. He stabs at the potato he is cutting. "No, I'm afraid I don't know anyone by that name."
User avatar #16 - riggyrigs ONLINE (08/25/2014) [+] (1 reply)
except court will often agree to this kind of test and grant to anyone who ask it, in order for the man to claim the right to see his children. Check your source before ******** that BS.
User avatar #72 - languagexplain (08/26/2014) [-]
I doubt this legislation has anything much to do with pressure from feminist groups.
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