StarWars gave him his youth back
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seratyo (12/17/2015) [-] To be fair, until Force Awakens, all he really did was voice acting, so it's not like he needed to be in shape... He still looks way better now than then, of course...
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randisbobandis (12/17/2015) [-] we musn't forget his most compelling role as the COCKNOCKER!
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theist (12/17/2015) [-] What exactly is the point of lifting if not to achieve a mate and offspring and to be able to protect them? Being the "pinnacle of mankind's aesthetics" means nothing if the purpose is only to be the pinnacle. It has to have some sort of beneficial purpose to have any meaning at all.
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angelisk (12/17/2015) [-] That's a real shallow way to look at it...... Also, some people beg to differ about that pinnacle of mankind's aesthetics... Just work out enough to feel happy about yourself and be healthy, if you're purely working out to "look good" then "looking good" is probably your only redeeming factor......
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anon (12/17/2015) [-]
>having the drive and dedication to work towards the best physical state your body an be in so you can have better looks
>"looking good must be all they have"
pot, meet kettle that's a real shallow way to look at it and stop dragging out your periods, it makes you sound like a spineless teen trying to look shy on the internet
>"looking good must be all they have"
pot, meet kettle that's a real shallow way to look at it and stop dragging out your periods, it makes you sound like a spineless teen trying to look shy on the internet
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angelisk (12/17/2015) [-] Look, all i'm sayin is looking good is not everything in life, you can have a pefectly fine, healthy, happy life without working out even once... And on a personal note, if you have such drive and dedication, to me it looks kinda selfish to just waste those very good personality traits to only your physical appearance.... But that's just my personal opinion.
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anon (12/17/2015) [-]
"waste your dedication and willpower only for improving appearance"
lel, implying
Working out takes time and effort but your main goal doesn't have to consume your life, only someone afraid or unwilling to try and improve themselves would default to that impression
lel, implying
Working out takes time and effort but your main goal doesn't have to consume your life, only someone afraid or unwilling to try and improve themselves would default to that impression
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angelisk (12/17/2015) [-] Sure i know that, but for some it's a big chunk of their life.
Let's take myself as example, I'm healthy enough and perfectly happy with my life without having seen a single gym from the inside, i'd rather spend my time and effort in improving myself in other ways, which there are plenty of. Am i now a bad person? Am i wronging society by not lifting? I don't see any potential benefit in my case.
Let's take myself as example, I'm healthy enough and perfectly happy with my life without having seen a single gym from the inside, i'd rather spend my time and effort in improving myself in other ways, which there are plenty of. Am i now a bad person? Am i wronging society by not lifting? I don't see any potential benefit in my case.
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richardastley ONLINE (12/20/2015) [-] "if you're purely working out to "look good" then "looking good" is probably your only redeeming factor......"
You might not be a ****** person, but that was a pretty ****** assumption to make about people who care about their appearance. I try to remember to wear a collar to work every day, and sometimes I do workouts at home while I'm watching TV. I eat well enough and play enough sports that my health is fine, but I do it in an effort to look better. Is my appearance my only redeeming factor?
You might not be a ****** person, but that was a pretty ****** assumption to make about people who care about their appearance. I try to remember to wear a collar to work every day, and sometimes I do workouts at home while I'm watching TV. I eat well enough and play enough sports that my health is fine, but I do it in an effort to look better. Is my appearance my only redeeming factor?
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virtualsloth (12/17/2015) [-] Exercise is boring when you could spend that time eating, smoking weed and sleeping.
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anon (12/16/2015) [-]
It just looks like he decided to get in shape for it...
The beard is the main reason why he looks more youthful.
The beard is the main reason why he looks more youthful.
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thechosentroll (12/17/2015) [-] When you're young, they make you seem older. When you're old, they make you seem younger. How the hell do beards even work?
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theugandanhero (12/17/2015) [-] Probably because they cover everything that age has to do with your face.
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liamdurf (12/17/2015) [-] Dude's rockin' a Bob Ross beard, and lost weight. That's guaranteed improvement.
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lolollo (12/17/2015) [-] He had to lose the weight for his role as totally not a joker refetence The Trickster on The Flash.
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turbodoosh (12/17/2015) [-] He actually played as the Trickster in the 1990 version of the flash and reprised the role in the new series. That whole episode is a nod to it.
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thetellerofstories (12/17/2015) [-] its actually because he played the trickster in the original flash series, same sort of casting reason as why barry's dad in the new series was the flash in the old series
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HARTATTACK (12/17/2015) [-] In fact, everything we love about the animated Joker he brought to life was from the Flash. You can hear the difference, it was tweaked for Batman, but without that goofy, campy show, we wouldn't have the greatest villain voicing in Comic Book Animation history.
The genesis of Harley Quinn was also from the Flash. He had that groupee sidekick, Prank.
But also, ******* props to Mark Hamill for returning to the Flash, on the lowly CW network when he's on the cusp of the biggest film of his career. Dudes a true fan. I heard he accepted the role before the producers even told him they were offering him a role. Reprising the Tricker was just the icing on the cake for him.
The genesis of Harley Quinn was also from the Flash. He had that groupee sidekick, Prank.
But also, ******* props to Mark Hamill for returning to the Flash, on the lowly CW network when he's on the cusp of the biggest film of his career. Dudes a true fan. I heard he accepted the role before the producers even told him they were offering him a role. Reprising the Tricker was just the icing on the cake for him.
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shavod (12/17/2015) [-]
I already got spoiled on 4Chan and I still need to watch the movie, but seriously, I don't give a **** about those spoilers. My first contact with Star Wars was through Star Wars tazos given with pack of chips. I bought a special Star Wars album just for them and it basically contained a summary of all the major plot points of entire OT. So I knew the plot and all the twists, yet when I finally got to watch the movies, I was still in love with them. I knew who Darth Vader really is before watching Empire Strikes Back, but the way his reveal was executed, still send shivers down my spine.
My first contact with Metal Gear Solid series was the final battle and ending of MGS4 I watched on the YouTube. Then I played entire series and despite knowing how all of it is going to end, it's still was an emotional rollercoaster all the way through.
I got spoiled about one of the major characters death in The Witcher 3, before I got to experience it myself, yet when this death finally happened, it still brought tears to my eyes, because it was just so well executed.
All I'm rambling about is that, if you think you can truly ruin my experience with some stills and two lines of description, that means it was pretty ****** experience to begin with. If the movie is good, and I hope it is, when I finally get to this moment, I'm sure it's still gonna hit hard. If it's not, well, then even shock value will not help much.
My first contact with Metal Gear Solid series was the final battle and ending of MGS4 I watched on the YouTube. Then I played entire series and despite knowing how all of it is going to end, it's still was an emotional rollercoaster all the way through.
I got spoiled about one of the major characters death in The Witcher 3, before I got to experience it myself, yet when this death finally happened, it still brought tears to my eyes, because it was just so well executed.
All I'm rambling about is that, if you think you can truly ruin my experience with some stills and two lines of description, that means it was pretty ****** experience to begin with. If the movie is good, and I hope it is, when I finally get to this moment, I'm sure it's still gonna hit hard. If it's not, well, then even shock value will not help much.
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slycoop (12/17/2015) [-] I've got to say I agree with you. A perfect example of what you're talking about is that my friend was watching me play Batman: Arkham Knight before he had gotten the game. I was just ******* around in Gotham City in the postgame, but the random thugs were making comments about knowing that Batman is Bruce Wayne and he told me that the important thing is knowing the events that lead to that plot point, not the plot point itself. And I think that's true for most things.
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superassassin (12/17/2015) [-] I cannot stress enough how important it is that you guys steer clear from comment sections and social medias until you've seen the movie.
The night is dark and full of spoilers. You have been warned.
< -- YFW
The night is dark and full of spoilers. You have been warned.
< -- YFW
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kosicandavid ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] I really hoped that he will be more in the movie than 10 seconds before end
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] Actual spoiler:
Nope. Luke is only shown right at the end and he doesn't even say anything. I uh... I was hoping a little bit that two big floppy ears would pop out and it would be Jar-Jar.
Also throughout the whole movie they kept going on about how if he came back then they would definitely win.
Nope. Luke is only shown right at the end and he doesn't even say anything. I uh... I was hoping a little bit that two big floppy ears would pop out and it would be Jar-Jar.
Also throughout the whole movie they kept going on about how if he came back then they would definitely win.
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kosicandavid ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Yes I know I saw the midnight premiere. Movie was ok but needed Luke to show earlier.
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] I felt it was like Halo 5: awesome as tits, but it **** on the lore.
Okay, not as much as Halo 5 did, but still, being a Force-user doesn't let you ******* read minds, and not being a Force-user and not even having any training means you're going to cut yourself the **** up if you so much as pick up a lightsaber.
Okay, not as much as Halo 5 did, but still, being a Force-user doesn't let you ******* read minds, and not being a Force-user and not even having any training means you're going to cut yourself the **** up if you so much as pick up a lightsaber.
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kosicandavid ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Yep, I personally hated the fact that Finn and Rey were able to fight Kylo, a trained Sith without any previous training. Also Kylo ren and nazi Bill Weasley ( I don't remember the name of that character) were pretty pathetic. Kylo must be the most pathetic Sith ever. He wasn't able to kill anybody except Han for whole movie and he gave me only feelings of spoiled emo brat that needs to be slaped than that he is actuall villain. I remember the shiver when I first saw Darth Maul he looks like plain evil. Or old Imperial generals with Vader. You could feel evil from them but from Kylo I had feel only a kid that got hit by his puberty wrong.
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] To be fair, he only fell to the Dark Side because he was afraid of everything, as many Jedi do. I think he looked a lot like that nerdy guy from Avatar and Grandma's Boy and... Bones, I think.
But yeah, Rey should not be able to do ANYTHING in the Force since she has absolutely zero prior training. I just hope they don't turn her into an important character "destined to bring balance to the Force" like Meetra Surik or some **** .
But yeah, Rey should not be able to do ANYTHING in the Force since she has absolutely zero prior training. I just hope they don't turn her into an important character "destined to bring balance to the Force" like Meetra Surik or some **** .
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haakonjohnsen (12/17/2015) [-] Rey did have some "training" though. you saw how she wacked the **** out of those people on Jakku with her staff thing
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minecraftlamer (12/17/2015) [-] kylo is still a ******* rookie with a lightsaber that uses an incomplete crystal
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theshadowed ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Maybe because he's an actual character as opposed to a meaningless wall of evil. He's not even fully trained, Snoke says this himself. He is also quite clearly terrified of the light, and the dark, and is struggling to make the balance between them. The sheer desperation in killing Han was so he could hopeffuly finally vut that bond to the light. Then he went up against Fin, after being shot with a blaster (that has the effect of blowing Stormtroopers 10ft of the ground and causing explosions) while just hitting his wound. He's also emotionally reeling with anger, hatred and loss, directed at Rey, who he felt has stolen his father, and is turning into the jedi he once hoped he would be, and the fact hat he just ******* killed his father. Then he's injured even more when he fights Rey, and its only Rey letting i the force (good or bad) that actually gives her a momentary edge; enough to beat the incredibly injured, both emotionally and phsyically, Ren.
And Hux was brilliant. He certainly hammed it up in his speech, but it worked. He was a general completely devoted to the Order, and facing off with a sith apprentice for power, without batting an eyelid. he was very Joseph Goebbels-esque, and while not a clone of someone like Tarkin (I mean, what do you want, just clons of badass old characters, or characters in their own right?) he was certainly a good character able to stand on his own.
And Hux was brilliant. He certainly hammed it up in his speech, but it worked. He was a general completely devoted to the Order, and facing off with a sith apprentice for power, without batting an eyelid. he was very Joseph Goebbels-esque, and while not a clone of someone like Tarkin (I mean, what do you want, just clons of badass old characters, or characters in their own right?) he was certainly a good character able to stand on his own.
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deviousxreaper ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Han is singed up to be in Star Wars eight so he Isnt dead
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] Hey come on, put that **** in a spoiler, the movie hasn't even come out yet for half the world.
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deviousxreaper ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] ok fine u got me I lied Han is killed by his son Kylo Ren. Luke gets 30 secs of screentime and has no lines. Kylo Ren survives an explosion which sets up the sequel
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] I already watched the movie yesterday, but 99% of people haven't been able to see it yet.
Just stop.
Just stop.
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] For you and kosicandavid.
That was the worst film I've seen all year, and I'm talking from a sheer directorial standpoint here. After the first few scenes I had to start playing the 5 second game and it's amazing how many shots last LESS than five seconds. The film cuts about like it was edited by a kid with ADHD and that's just the cuts!
There was no time to breathe. No silence. The lines would just tumble out of the actors mouths one after another without even a second's worth of pause. It's amazing just how terribly paced that film was. I don't think I've ever seen such a poorly paced film. Even the ******* PREQUELS had better pacing than that!
Then there's the sound design. For one thing, everyone agrees that giving people synthesised voices that makes them hard to hear is a terrible idea. First Bane now Kylo Ren. The reason it was cool with Vader is because WE COULD ******* HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING!
How about the acting? Well, let's set aside the pacing issues and for the sake of argument we'll also set aside the fact that the lead actress has a well-rounded RP British accent despite being a backwater-world scavenger. The acting in the film was... murdered. It was murdered by the editing. Even if the scenes had lasted longer we almost never got to linger on a character. The whole film felt like one elongated action scene... MORE SO THAN MAD MAX! WHICH WAS LITERALLY ALMOST ENTIRELY ONE LONG ACTION SCENE!
The charisma of Harrison Ford and the dignity of Carrie Fisher were slaughtered by the fact that the two of them barely spend any time together. Oh, and the lines for ****** sake... CALL HIM BEN! HE'S NOT "Our son." HE'S BEN SOLO FOR ****** SAKE! WHO TALKS LIKE THAT ABOUT THEIR KID?!
Finally... there's nothing in this movie. Nothing in this movie is worth going to the cinema for. There was no theme. There was only barely one arc in the film (and I can't put enough quotation marks around the word arc so I'm not even gonna try). The action scenes were exactly what you would expect them to be, only they were also very poorly edited. The banter... didn't exist at all. In the only film in the Star Wars series to have the word 'Force' in the title, the Force played less of a part in this film than in any other. It might have looked damn cool, but the actual point behind it didn't show up for filming.
In a year where Jurassic Park, Avengers, Terminator, and Star Wars got MASSIVE, big-budget AAA sequels it will be Mad ******* Max that comes out of the year with the honours of being the only good sequel released this year. What a dark horse, man.
That was the worst film I've seen all year, and I'm talking from a sheer directorial standpoint here. After the first few scenes I had to start playing the 5 second game and it's amazing how many shots last LESS than five seconds. The film cuts about like it was edited by a kid with ADHD and that's just the cuts!
There was no time to breathe. No silence. The lines would just tumble out of the actors mouths one after another without even a second's worth of pause. It's amazing just how terribly paced that film was. I don't think I've ever seen such a poorly paced film. Even the ******* PREQUELS had better pacing than that!
Then there's the sound design. For one thing, everyone agrees that giving people synthesised voices that makes them hard to hear is a terrible idea. First Bane now Kylo Ren. The reason it was cool with Vader is because WE COULD ******* HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING!
How about the acting? Well, let's set aside the pacing issues and for the sake of argument we'll also set aside the fact that the lead actress has a well-rounded RP British accent despite being a backwater-world scavenger. The acting in the film was... murdered. It was murdered by the editing. Even if the scenes had lasted longer we almost never got to linger on a character. The whole film felt like one elongated action scene... MORE SO THAN MAD MAX! WHICH WAS LITERALLY ALMOST ENTIRELY ONE LONG ACTION SCENE!
The charisma of Harrison Ford and the dignity of Carrie Fisher were slaughtered by the fact that the two of them barely spend any time together. Oh, and the lines for ****** sake... CALL HIM BEN! HE'S NOT "Our son." HE'S BEN SOLO FOR ****** SAKE! WHO TALKS LIKE THAT ABOUT THEIR KID?!
Finally... there's nothing in this movie. Nothing in this movie is worth going to the cinema for. There was no theme. There was only barely one arc in the film (and I can't put enough quotation marks around the word arc so I'm not even gonna try). The action scenes were exactly what you would expect them to be, only they were also very poorly edited. The banter... didn't exist at all. In the only film in the Star Wars series to have the word 'Force' in the title, the Force played less of a part in this film than in any other. It might have looked damn cool, but the actual point behind it didn't show up for filming.
In a year where Jurassic Park, Avengers, Terminator, and Star Wars got MASSIVE, big-budget AAA sequels it will be Mad ******* Max that comes out of the year with the honours of being the only good sequel released this year. What a dark horse, man.
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] While I mostly agree, it was still ******* cool.
However, for the sake of argument, here are some counter-points:
Every Star Wars movie had short scenes and shots. Much less so than this one, to be sure, but it's by and large an ACTION movie series.
Again, there never was much time between characters' lines.
The sound design was amazing as **** (like that part at the beginning with the floating blaster bolt, oh god), but yes, Kylo's voice wasn't very clear. At least he didn't also have an accent. A non-American accent, I mean.
I hated that Rey had a British accent. That's was so ******* stupid and hard to understand at times. I typically dislike accents in movies. I would say that because they were the main focus of this movie and possibly future ones, Finn and Rey got a lot of screentime.
Yeah they really did need more time together, but at the same time Han was off doing his own thing with the newbies for most of the time. And they didn't refer to him by name because they wanted his real name to be a sort of surprise. I would assume, anyway, because why else wouldn't they just call him "Ben"?
I would say the entire point behind the film was to be extremely similar to Episode 4. It's pretty much the same thing, really; untrained Force newbie alongside Han Solo and the Rebels (Did you notice they never once said "Rebels" in this movie, only "Resistance"? The ****** up with that?) fights a masked evil guy with a speech impediment and goes and blows up his big metal ball of planetary death from the inside.
Addressing your other comment: same thing as above; it's supposed to be a big mirror of Episode 4.
Of the ones you listed, I've only seen Star Wars and Mad Max, and I preferred Star Wars.
However, for the sake of argument, here are some counter-points:
Every Star Wars movie had short scenes and shots. Much less so than this one, to be sure, but it's by and large an ACTION movie series.
Again, there never was much time between characters' lines.
The sound design was amazing as **** (like that part at the beginning with the floating blaster bolt, oh god), but yes, Kylo's voice wasn't very clear. At least he didn't also have an accent. A non-American accent, I mean.
I hated that Rey had a British accent. That's was so ******* stupid and hard to understand at times. I typically dislike accents in movies. I would say that because they were the main focus of this movie and possibly future ones, Finn and Rey got a lot of screentime.
Yeah they really did need more time together, but at the same time Han was off doing his own thing with the newbies for most of the time. And they didn't refer to him by name because they wanted his real name to be a sort of surprise. I would assume, anyway, because why else wouldn't they just call him "Ben"?
I would say the entire point behind the film was to be extremely similar to Episode 4. It's pretty much the same thing, really; untrained Force newbie alongside Han Solo and the Rebels (Did you notice they never once said "Rebels" in this movie, only "Resistance"? The ****** up with that?) fights a masked evil guy with a speech impediment and goes and blows up his big metal ball of planetary death from the inside.
Addressing your other comment: same thing as above; it's supposed to be a big mirror of Episode 4.
Of the ones you listed, I've only seen Star Wars and Mad Max, and I preferred Star Wars.
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] A rebuttal:
1) That's just plain not true. The scenes that really last in the minds of people about the Star Wars films, even the terrible ones, are long shots with very little camera-shaking. Things like Luke looking out over the twin suns setting. The fights between Vader and Luke/Ben. Lightsaber training on the Falcon. The Cantina scene. Short cuts are fine, but when you're going 30 or so short-cuts in a row and then maybe one or two cuts that last a little longer than 5 seconds and then right back to 30 more seconds of quick cuts it makes the film a chore to watch. The audience can't consume the backgrounds or settings. They can't settle into watching a scene. If you ever see the film again count the seconds of the cuts and you'll see how badly edited this film is.
2) Again, untrue:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PDcBhODqo
Quick cuts are used to show as much of the scenery as possible in a short period of time, and then the shots will linger on the main characters to show their reaction to the setting before settling down into a less snappy, jolty rhythm. It uses mostly ambient background noise to tell a story about what kind of place the bar is. Compare this to the scene from TFA where the quick cuts continue throughout the scene and there are never any moments when both the characters and the audience really get to drink in the atmosphere. The lines are slow and delivered realistically, whereas in TFA they run out of their mouths like their tonsils were on fire!
3) The sound design was good for the most part, but Ren's voice was atrocious and oddly enough the least atrocious aspect of him.
4) Accents are perfectly fine in films, as are British ones. The problem was her unnatural delivery of the lines and how little the voice matched up with the character. Remember, to people like me in the UK Luke had an unusual accent, and to people in the US Ben had an unusual accent. Accents are good when used right, this was a bad example.
Also, they got a lot of screentime but even Padame and Anakin have more chemistry than they do. At least there was some hint of a romance being attempted between them. In TFA they just sort of... happen together. Because hormones I guess.
"I am perfectly willing to risk my life for this person I have never held an extended conversation with whom I only met yesterday." - Finn "You came to rescue me. Allow me to hug you in contrast to my previously established cold and aloof personality traits."
It doesn't matter 'WHY' they did it. Of course that was 'WHY' they did it. But the fact of the matter is no matter how you justify the dump you took on the bed you still took a dump on the bed. It was bad and the scriptwriters should feel bad.
We already HAVE a film that is extremely similar to Episode 4. It's called EPISODE 4! We didn't need a new New Hope! The old New Hope works perfectly fine. Also, rebels implies they're smaller and weaker, but in this film they have the backing of the Republic, an informed entity that appears for less than 5 seconds of screen time before exploding and we're supposed to be sad. At least with Alderan we got to see how it affected Leia.
That's not a reason 'why' you make a film. That's not a 'theme'. That's not a 'message'. Star Wars is more than an action series. It contains greater messages about faith, not in a religion but in the importance of things and people and the self. It is a simple series with roots in classic genre materials that spins an old narrative in a new and interesting way all wrapped up with a fantastically built world and a deep magical mythos. This film? Nobody needed to see this film. Nobody needed to make this film. It was a cash-grab... and a really... really ****** one at that.
1) That's just plain not true. The scenes that really last in the minds of people about the Star Wars films, even the terrible ones, are long shots with very little camera-shaking. Things like Luke looking out over the twin suns setting. The fights between Vader and Luke/Ben. Lightsaber training on the Falcon. The Cantina scene. Short cuts are fine, but when you're going 30 or so short-cuts in a row and then maybe one or two cuts that last a little longer than 5 seconds and then right back to 30 more seconds of quick cuts it makes the film a chore to watch. The audience can't consume the backgrounds or settings. They can't settle into watching a scene. If you ever see the film again count the seconds of the cuts and you'll see how badly edited this film is.
2) Again, untrue:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PDcBhODqo
Quick cuts are used to show as much of the scenery as possible in a short period of time, and then the shots will linger on the main characters to show their reaction to the setting before settling down into a less snappy, jolty rhythm. It uses mostly ambient background noise to tell a story about what kind of place the bar is. Compare this to the scene from TFA where the quick cuts continue throughout the scene and there are never any moments when both the characters and the audience really get to drink in the atmosphere. The lines are slow and delivered realistically, whereas in TFA they run out of their mouths like their tonsils were on fire!
3) The sound design was good for the most part, but Ren's voice was atrocious and oddly enough the least atrocious aspect of him.
4) Accents are perfectly fine in films, as are British ones. The problem was her unnatural delivery of the lines and how little the voice matched up with the character. Remember, to people like me in the UK Luke had an unusual accent, and to people in the US Ben had an unusual accent. Accents are good when used right, this was a bad example.
Also, they got a lot of screentime but even Padame and Anakin have more chemistry than they do. At least there was some hint of a romance being attempted between them. In TFA they just sort of... happen together. Because hormones I guess.
"I am perfectly willing to risk my life for this person I have never held an extended conversation with whom I only met yesterday." - Finn "You came to rescue me. Allow me to hug you in contrast to my previously established cold and aloof personality traits."
It doesn't matter 'WHY' they did it. Of course that was 'WHY' they did it. But the fact of the matter is no matter how you justify the dump you took on the bed you still took a dump on the bed. It was bad and the scriptwriters should feel bad.
We already HAVE a film that is extremely similar to Episode 4. It's called EPISODE 4! We didn't need a new New Hope! The old New Hope works perfectly fine. Also, rebels implies they're smaller and weaker, but in this film they have the backing of the Republic, an informed entity that appears for less than 5 seconds of screen time before exploding and we're supposed to be sad. At least with Alderan we got to see how it affected Leia.
That's not a reason 'why' you make a film. That's not a 'theme'. That's not a 'message'. Star Wars is more than an action series. It contains greater messages about faith, not in a religion but in the importance of things and people and the self. It is a simple series with roots in classic genre materials that spins an old narrative in a new and interesting way all wrapped up with a fantastically built world and a deep magical mythos. This film? Nobody needed to see this film. Nobody needed to make this film. It was a cash-grab... and a really... really ****** one at that.
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motherfuckingkenji (12/17/2015) [-] Hey man, like I said, I was just playing the devil's advocate, making counter-points for the sake of argument. I do agree with you on like 99% of what you said, but I thought the movie was ******* tits awesome, though as I said earlier in this thread, it was like Halo 5 in that it also **** on the lore. A bit. Not much.
Though I noticed long ago that I'm very easily entertained when it comes to movies and games. For example, of the few people that have heard of the game Damnation, everyone says it's complete **** , but I thought it was ridiculously fun and was like Gears of War just with a ******* more verticality and agility. So uh... so I'm not very reliable when it comes to finding things that are bad about stuff.
Though I noticed long ago that I'm very easily entertained when it comes to movies and games. For example, of the few people that have heard of the game Damnation, everyone says it's complete **** , but I thought it was ridiculously fun and was like Gears of War just with a ******* more verticality and agility. So uh... so I'm not very reliable when it comes to finding things that are bad about stuff.
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Re-posting with spoiler tags, just in case.
I'm glad you're aware of your weaknesses in the area and hell if you liked the movie then more power to you. I had a great time systematically tearing it to pieces. I am a serious cinefile and I mean that in the Anton Ego sense:
youtu.be/2EEKcWoyuEw?t=2m
Only with less pomp, elitism, and self-importance. I adore film as an artistic medium. I don't go in for all of that abstractist nonsense where the film is just layers and layers of symbolism that convolute the whole structure. No, I like films like 'The Iron Giant' or 'V for Vendetta' or 'Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind'. Films that are masterpieces and that can be consumed and admired without having to play pass the parcel with all the Ogre-like layers that they're wrapped in.
I don't waste my time with bad films (nor with bad games for that matter) and I only go to the cinema to see films that are worth seeing. I didn't see Jurassic World in the cinema, nor did I see Terminator in the cinema. I caught them on a streaming service around at a friend of mine's house because he has poor taste. I couldn't sit through them. They were awful from start to finish (or at least the parts I wasn't consumed playing Shovel Knight were).
Luckily for me this film failed in every respect in just the right way. Captain Phasma was built up to be a badass but just lowers the shield because... hell, she's not loyal enough to kick up a fight I guess. Kylo Ren gets his ass handed to him and then a massive crack in the earth opens up to stop generic female protagonist from taking the rest of his dignit- pfft... sorry, him having dignity is something I gave up on the first time he threw a hissy fit with his lightsaber.
We may enjoy films and games for different reasons and to different degrees but as long as we enjoy them that's fine. But just you wait. This film will burn. First the critics will turn on it, along with the people who seriously care about what Star Wars is on a deeper level. Then the fanboys will turn. It will be just like the prequels. That is the level of quality we're looking at here, only I can make a genuine and convincing argument as to why the Prequels are not only better films, but more worth your time to watch.
*sigh* I'm just relieved I won't have to see the other Disney Star Wars films in the cinema. I will remain thin for a man who loves food (in the cinematic sense) and I'll spend my money elsewhere.
I'm glad you're aware of your weaknesses in the area and hell if you liked the movie then more power to you. I had a great time systematically tearing it to pieces. I am a serious cinefile and I mean that in the Anton Ego sense:
youtu.be/2EEKcWoyuEw?t=2m
Only with less pomp, elitism, and self-importance. I adore film as an artistic medium. I don't go in for all of that abstractist nonsense where the film is just layers and layers of symbolism that convolute the whole structure. No, I like films like 'The Iron Giant' or 'V for Vendetta' or 'Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind'. Films that are masterpieces and that can be consumed and admired without having to play pass the parcel with all the Ogre-like layers that they're wrapped in.
I don't waste my time with bad films (nor with bad games for that matter) and I only go to the cinema to see films that are worth seeing. I didn't see Jurassic World in the cinema, nor did I see Terminator in the cinema. I caught them on a streaming service around at a friend of mine's house because he has poor taste. I couldn't sit through them. They were awful from start to finish (or at least the parts I wasn't consumed playing Shovel Knight were).
Luckily for me this film failed in every respect in just the right way. Captain Phasma was built up to be a badass but just lowers the shield because... hell, she's not loyal enough to kick up a fight I guess. Kylo Ren gets his ass handed to him and then a massive crack in the earth opens up to stop generic female protagonist from taking the rest of his dignit- pfft... sorry, him having dignity is something I gave up on the first time he threw a hissy fit with his lightsaber.
We may enjoy films and games for different reasons and to different degrees but as long as we enjoy them that's fine. But just you wait. This film will burn. First the critics will turn on it, along with the people who seriously care about what Star Wars is on a deeper level. Then the fanboys will turn. It will be just like the prequels. That is the level of quality we're looking at here, only I can make a genuine and convincing argument as to why the Prequels are not only better films, but more worth your time to watch.
*sigh* I'm just relieved I won't have to see the other Disney Star Wars films in the cinema. I will remain thin for a man who loves food (in the cinematic sense) and I'll spend my money elsewhere.
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] Also, for someone who thinks himself to have poor taste, you've an excellent choice of Avatar. Katawa Shoujo is a fantastic game.
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] And don't even get me STARTED on the ****** half-arsed fanservice like force-pulling the lightsaber from the snow and the obvious re-treads of the Cantina and the hiding in the floor of the Falcon scenes. The forced is strong with these ones.
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noonesperfect (12/17/2015) [-] Spoiler, but those who has seen the movie tell me if you agree even the slightest
The force awakens in my opinion an exact ripoff of the new hope.. Protagonist on desert planet, evil guys chase a droid with valuable information to said planet, protagonist finds it and journeys to find the rebel base, finds an old guy who is experienced with fighting the bad guys, they find the rebels and gets some valuable information on the enemy who has a weapon inside a spacestation that is gigantic that can blow up planets and they blow up the rebel supporters, then they get ready to fire at the rebels but the heroes destroy the weapon and the space station at the same time. Also the old guy (Han solo and Obi wan) has a relationship with the bad guy with a lightsaber (kylo ren, darth vader) who themselves are controlled by a higher evil might (snook, palpatine) and who then kill the old guy, making the protagonists go NOOOOOO. And also there's a black guy All in all, the movie relies too much on nostalgia and is overrated. It was ok, but it was surely not mindblowing
The force awakens in my opinion an exact ripoff of the new hope.. Protagonist on desert planet, evil guys chase a droid with valuable information to said planet, protagonist finds it and journeys to find the rebel base, finds an old guy who is experienced with fighting the bad guys, they find the rebels and gets some valuable information on the enemy who has a weapon inside a spacestation that is gigantic that can blow up planets and they blow up the rebel supporters, then they get ready to fire at the rebels but the heroes destroy the weapon and the space station at the same time. Also the old guy (Han solo and Obi wan) has a relationship with the bad guy with a lightsaber (kylo ren, darth vader) who themselves are controlled by a higher evil might (snook, palpatine) and who then kill the old guy, making the protagonists go NOOOOOO. And also there's a black guy All in all, the movie relies too much on nostalgia and is overrated. It was ok, but it was surely not mindblowing
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questionableferret ONLINE (12/17/2015) [-] It was the worst film I've seen all year. Whoever directed this film needs to go back to school big time because the majority of the shots lasted less than 5 ******* seconds, and the ones that didn't? THEY WERE IN THE TRAILER! There were no lulls. No quiet moments. You want to draw parallels with 'A New Hope' well here's all the reasons why this film isn't a rip-off, or at least it's not a rip-off of ANY of the good parts.
1: The Force.
In a New Hope Ben Kenobi talks with great reverence about the force. It is treated like a closely held faith that brings him great solace and we see the immense power that it can have in the right, or the wrong hands.
In TFA we get lines like "There's still light in him." and the only exposition we get on the Force comes from an ugly CGI midget lady Yoda-stand-in that has less than 10 minutes of screen time and for some reason also HAS LUKE'S LIGHTSABER! Speaking of which:
2: Lightsabers
In A New Hope there are only four scenes with a Lightsaber in them. Ben's house, the Cantina, practicing on the Falcon, and Ben vs Vader. The lightsabers don't actually play any role in the film after that. The only times we see them are quick glimpses or they are highlighting moments of great spiritual and narrative importance.
TFA HAS A BRATTY EMO VADER FANBOY CUTTING **** UP WITH HIS IN A SCREAMING TANTRUM! LUKE'S LIGHTSABER IS KEPT IN A BOX IN THE BASEMENT AND IS PASSED BETWEEN THE "HEROES" LIKE A SPLIFF! Ironically, because the original film was on a low budget and couldn't afford to do the tricky effect of the lightsabers a lot there was much more restraint with them, which made them feel special and important. Here? PFFT! Even that ****** little blaster that Bianca Slate is given by Solo has more personality!
*rubs eyes* I've got a laundry list of these gripes and these are just the thematic ones (btw, what was the theme and the message of this film? Was there one? The original film was a straight heroes journey but this one? What did the heroes actually contribute to the plot? They saved the droid... and then everything else was done by Han and Chewbacca so some Heroes and some journey, eh?) Urgh... it was also a directorial mess... wow, what a joke, man.
1: The Force.
In a New Hope Ben Kenobi talks with great reverence about the force. It is treated like a closely held faith that brings him great solace and we see the immense power that it can have in the right, or the wrong hands.
In TFA we get lines like "There's still light in him." and the only exposition we get on the Force comes from an ugly CGI midget lady Yoda-stand-in that has less than 10 minutes of screen time and for some reason also HAS LUKE'S LIGHTSABER! Speaking of which:
2: Lightsabers
In A New Hope there are only four scenes with a Lightsaber in them. Ben's house, the Cantina, practicing on the Falcon, and Ben vs Vader. The lightsabers don't actually play any role in the film after that. The only times we see them are quick glimpses or they are highlighting moments of great spiritual and narrative importance.
TFA HAS A BRATTY EMO VADER FANBOY CUTTING **** UP WITH HIS IN A SCREAMING TANTRUM! LUKE'S LIGHTSABER IS KEPT IN A BOX IN THE BASEMENT AND IS PASSED BETWEEN THE "HEROES" LIKE A SPLIFF! Ironically, because the original film was on a low budget and couldn't afford to do the tricky effect of the lightsabers a lot there was much more restraint with them, which made them feel special and important. Here? PFFT! Even that ****** little blaster that Bianca Slate is given by Solo has more personality!
*rubs eyes* I've got a laundry list of these gripes and these are just the thematic ones (btw, what was the theme and the message of this film? Was there one? The original film was a straight heroes journey but this one? What did the heroes actually contribute to the plot? They saved the droid... and then everything else was done by Han and Chewbacca so some Heroes and some journey, eh?) Urgh... it was also a directorial mess... wow, what a joke, man.
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privileges (12/17/2015) [-] **privileges used "*roll picture*"**
**privileges rolled image** I mean, it's pretty obvious that that was what they were going for. May be a little bit too similar but its aight, definitly wouldn't call it a ripoff .
**privileges rolled image** I mean, it's pretty obvious that that was what they were going for. May be a little bit too similar but its aight, definitly wouldn't call it a ripoff .
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doctorplease (12/17/2015) [-]
Don't Spoiler Open Inside To be fair, this is the exact thing that Lucas TRIED and failed to do with Phantom Menace. I mean, the movies are SUPPOSED to mirror each other. It's kind of a metaphor on the force and balance and human nature blah blah. Think about it, really. Han, Qui Gon and Ben (Obi Wan) all die to start the adventure. 7 has that baller bombing scene on the capacitor which perfectly mirrors the Luke/Deathstar bombing run (inb4 womp rats) and Anakin blowing up the central control for the droid army and discovering what real pod racing is. I could go on for ages about how Phantom Menace, A New Hope and Force Awakens are all similar and clearly mirror each other, but I think you get the idea. I understand how Nostalgia makes you feel a little ripped off, but personally I like that they kept that aspect of the Prequels, if nothing else (thank god) and actually did what Lucas wanted just in the right way. I'm calling it right now, next movie, Rey, Finn or Poe will lose one of their hands, maybe a leg. Anyway, that's my two cents.
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cisdroidcommander (12/17/2015) [-] Yeah, my biggest problem was that it was basically A New Hope part 2. Still enjoyable.
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cisdroidcommander (12/17/2015) [-] Indeed it does. But rhyming =/= almost exact same story
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tkfourtwoone (12/17/2015) [-] Haven't seen it yet (will do on Saturday) but just by calling it "A New Hope pt. 2" for me it means it blows the prequels out of the water from the get-go
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cisdroidcommander (12/17/2015) [-] By part 2 i mean the exact same story. It was enjoyable (gonna rewatch it today) but also disappointing.
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pabloenis (12/17/2015) [-] SPOILERS!!!!!!!
And all that for that 30 seconds screen time at the end without even having dialogue?
And all that for that 30 seconds screen time at the end without even having dialogue?
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sphincterface (12/17/2015) [-] I mean, I am fully aware that this is all you're going to see of Luke, but I still wanna see it. In a way though....it's kinda clever. It gets you excited for the fact that you are going to see Luke in action in the next two movies and something tells you he is going to be more of a genuine badass than he was in the previous movies, where he was sort of just a kid still learning how to be a Jedi.
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jouten (12/17/2015) [-] More like he was forced to do it because Hollywood told him to, otherwise they wouldn't allow him to play in the movie.
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2630644/She-TOLD-lose-35-pounds-Carrie-Fisher-reveals-Star-Wars-VII-dropped-substantial-weight.html
Just imagine that. Not being able to play in your own movie saga you created because you've become too old and fat
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2630644/She-TOLD-lose-35-pounds-Carrie-Fisher-reveals-Star-Wars-VII-dropped-substantial-weight.html
Just imagine that. Not being able to play in your own movie saga you created because you've become too old and fat
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dharkmoswen (12/17/2015) [-] Why is she making a fuss over it, anyway? Oh no... she has to work to portray the character. Oh the humanity! /sarcasm
