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User avatar #50 - neoexdeath (12/27/2012) [-]
What pisses me off about Star Wars is basically if you're a Force user...

1. You can be a totally evil douchebag drunk on the dark side
2. You can be an anal retentive lawful stupid douchebag

LORD HELP YOU IF YOU WANT SOME MIDDLE GROUND.
#66 to #50 - justtocomment (12/27/2012) [-]
It's kind of like the mages in Dragon Age... There's a huge amount of power and potential there, so people are terrified of the repercussions of letting it go unhindered. So the Jedi order is there to train force-users to only uphold good in all things, so that they don't have to risk being ostracized by the universe at large.
And most people are happy to keep it that way, because in the event that force users demand "freedom", it's usually because they've fallen to the dark side. Because complete power corrupts completely, it's not often that powerful force-users remain truly neutral. As in, you're not likely to find a dude just chilling, using the force to levitate beers from the kitchen and his lightsaber to trim the hedges.
Sadly, we can't risk leaving Jedi completely out of check because of the power they could wield against the galaxy and further... Not only that, but many people confuse the Jedi order with a sort of religion, when it's more like Bhuddism -- just a system of beliefs, meditation, and a goal of complete peace with oneself inside and out.
#63 to #50 - clavatninenine (12/27/2012) [-]
Darth Revan is the absolute perfect example of middle ground.

Not counting KOTOR's odd portrayal of him, Darth Revan is a Jedi-Turned-Sith lord who ended being able to completely control both the Dark and Light sides of the force.

His master Kreia (AKA Darth Traya) taught him that to understand the Force in its purest form, one must view both Dark and Light not as labels, but as pieces of a whole. She taught him that their is not actually sides of the force, but just the Force as one entity. Her teachings also made him realize that by helping people, he makes them weak, and by being cruel, he becomes weak as well, in the sense that his power will eventually corrupt and destroy him.

What he ended up becoming was a force user who used kindness when those he met had no hope otherwise, and cruelty when it would cause those around him to become stronger, since Trayas teachings showed that conflict makes people strong and isolation and inaction makes people weak.

While he was still a sith lord in name, he was infact Jedi and Sith, and in the end was as true neutral as any character in Star Wars lore had ever been.
User avatar #143 to #63 - huntergriff ONLINE (01/06/2013) [-]
wasn't there another jedi that was in the middle? i think it was in one of the last few issues of star wars tales.
User avatar #73 to #63 - lolwatthe (12/27/2012) [-]
That is one reason why I take the counter in some arguments, it either shows people that they are not entirely sure on their choice so they look for a better one or will strengthen their current one through there defense of it.
User avatar #74 to #73 - clavatninenine (12/27/2012) [-]
I just go that way cause Revan is a beast.
User avatar #75 to #74 - lolwatthe (12/27/2012) [-]
He is a beast, but a beast with a very good point
User avatar #76 to #75 - clavatninenine (12/27/2012) [-]
In essence his point is:

Guy--"We need a gas can to fix the droid. I'll wait here while you go get the gas can."

Revan--"Fuck you, you go get the gas can."
User avatar #81 to #76 - lolwatthe (12/27/2012) [-]
Only if the man was weak physically and it was a long distance/heavy can, if he was physically weaker he would go get the can and exercise with is all the way back while running. there is also the mental/spiritual points but this example leads to very few.
User avatar #54 to #50 - hugejuggernaut ONLINE (12/27/2012) [-]
Or you can just step away from the Council and its Order. There are all kinds of rouge Jedi. Even a whole realm of Gray Jedi, whom traverse all regions of the force without giving into the Dark side temptations or the boundaries of the Light.

One of the most notable and popular being Qui-Gon Jinn.
User avatar #55 to #54 - neoexdeath (12/27/2012) [-]
Oh I know about the Grey Jedi, Lucasfilm came out and said they where deluding themselves.
User avatar #57 to #55 - hugejuggernaut ONLINE (12/27/2012) [-]
What do you mean by that?
User avatar #58 to #57 - neoexdeath (12/27/2012) [-]
Word of God says they're deluding themselves.
#52 to #50 - snakefire (12/27/2012) [-]
"you're either with us... or you're with the terrorists"

I think George Dubya watched star wars
#60 to #52 - sixfootfive (12/27/2012) [-]
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
User avatar #68 to #60 - clavatninenine (12/27/2012) [-]
Isn't that an absolute, too?
User avatar #64 to #60 - zekeon (12/27/2012) [-]
"There is no try, you do, or you do not."

Gee, who the fuck said that again?

Oh yeah, it was Yoda. This has to be the reason that some people hate the prequels.
User avatar #70 to #64 - SemiAnon ONLINE (12/27/2012) [-]
Maybe Yoda decided absolutes weren't so bad after his entire order was killed.
User avatar #69 to #64 - sixfootfive (12/27/2012) [-]
I guess you could argue that these two quotes relate to completely different things.

Yoda's philosophy of "there is no try" refers to using the Force, telling Luke that in order to truly become a Jedi, you must completely immerse yourself in the Force and free your mind from the limits of physical being to gain abilities that would normally be impossible.

Whereas Obi-Wan's theory of only Sith dealing in absolutes refers to loyalties and allegiances, showing that only the Sith would ever have such a narrow-minded view of the World, seeing people only as enemies if they dare to challenge their views on the way of the galaxy.
User avatar #77 to #69 - thatnerdyguy (12/27/2012) [-]
Comments like this and clavatninenine's make me save threads.
I love seeing such insightful and interesting views on things like this.
User avatar #51 to #50 - NeucularNINJA (12/27/2012) [-]
No, no, Middle Ground is for Lord of the Rings
User avatar #79 to #51 - thatnerdyguy (12/27/2012) [-]
Don't you mean Middle Earth?
User avatar #133 to #79 - NeucularNINJA (12/27/2012) [-]
Yep... that was the uh... that was the reference
User avatar #136 to #133 - thatnerdyguy (12/27/2012) [-]
Looking back at this after getting some sleep, I feel really stupid.
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