Darth plagueis most likely. And Rey was good until the end of the second act when she went full marry sue, able to harness force powers and **** like it was ******* nothing.
you say that like Luke didn't do that exact same thing in anew hope.
"use the force Luke." oh yer the force you never actually told him how to use ya old far brain.
Yeah, except Luke was actually mentored by a jedi (ghost at least) and he wasn't pulling off **** like mind tricks and force power mid light saber fencing.
He had a better idea than her, listening to it straight from the horse's mouth. I mean until now everything was legends to her, so she wouldn't know what is or isn't possible through the force. Hell, we don't even know what stories she was told. She could have been told the jedi were the ones who destoryed alderon for all we know.
not really, Obi never really taught Luke anything practical about the force( he just went on about how it's everywhere and it links all living things and blah blah blah) , he got that from Yoda. and yer it's all just rumors to her, but she only ever does it when she's got no other option (heck even then she failed the mind trick 3 times)
Jedi + Ace pilot with no reasons for either. Knowing tech sure, makes sense, being a pilot, possible, being at Han Solo's level even in his old age, nah. A good fighter sure, able to fight some clones, eh, able to pick up a light saber and fight a trained user and win, no. We know to little about her for what she is meant be.
the theory is that she is Luke's daughter . This isn't really up for debate anymore since the film is littered with clues implying so and on top of that the Disney Infiniti game accidentally revealed it by briefly listing Skywalker as her last name in-game for like twenty minutes before they realized their mistake.
The Idea is When Kylo turned, he slaughted all of Luke's Jedi order (confirmed) presumably including Rey's mother, but Luke was able to save Rey somehow. He then hid her on Jakku (much as he was hidden on Tattoine). Many theorize that he wiped her memory when he hid her to further keep her safe, since she was like six or seven when he left her there. That is why she is already so proficient in the force. She did receive very basic training from Luke, but she simply does not remember it.I don't know how I feel about the forgotten training bit, but everything else makes perfect sense given the timelines given and the clues in the film. I do think that the old dude who had the map at the start is an old friend of Luke who was probably an Obi-Wan figure for Rey (watching over her and protecting her from a distance). We already know Luke trusted him so it isn't too much of a leap. The fact that his village was less than a day's travel from Rey's home by sheer coincidence seems unlikely. This also explains why she speaks ******* Wookie on planet with exactly zero wookies. She knew Cheewie when she was very young.
Doesn't quite explain the good-pilot thing but like father like daughter. Luke went from shooting womp-rats in his T-16 to blowing up the Death Star and being the best pilot in the Galaxy in like a month. Not too far-fetched given her family's history.
a friend of mine thinks when kyle was trying to mind probe her he accidentally unlocked her force potential and she absorbed some of his knowlede of the force. that keeps me happy for now cos i was thinking its a bit strange how she suddenly knows how to use the force when previous jedi take years of learning
Ah I see what you mean now. Misread that at first. If that turns out to be true ( that Kylo unlocked some of her training when he was interrogating her ) then that would be awesome. I didn't even think of that.
Now I'm just wondering how they're going to do the big reveal and if it's going to be anything like the Darth Vader reveal
Since you mention it, Anakin had to train for ~15 years, and he never attained the rank of Master. Luke was a Jedi Master in less than 5 years. There is no learning curve. The amount of time and work it takes to train a jedi is not set. Most of the time they are honing their skills and doing philosophical jedi **** anyway, not learning all the tricks.
To add on to that theory, it's also speculated that not only is she only Luke's daughter, but Obi-Wan's granddaughter, considering that Obi-Wan had a daughter supposedly. The theory there is that Luke hooked up with Obi-Wan's daughter, which would make Rey essentially a combination of Obi-Wan and Luke, thus explaining how she's already very powerful with the force despite either having no training, or having no memory of her training.
In my book, if Anakin "the Chosen One" Skywalker can podrace, dogfight in a starfighter, and blow up a capital ship at age 10 or whatever, Rey can shoot down a couple TIE fighters and duel a heavily wounded Dark Side acolyte for a few minutes (both of those with help from Finn).
Spoilers she didn't win any fights against kylo she was getting pushed around like a ragdoll and played out that fight very defensively, the only reason she was going toe to toe with his is because he took a gut shot from chewies blaster which would send a normal man sailing cross the room. She got one lucky shot on him and the movie showed off how keen she really is with the force.
This movie was fantastic in comparisons to it's last three pretisecers this movie revived starwars and set it up very well for a new series of storytelling
I disagree. I found it enjoyable but just like with the prequels, flawed. A movie being flawed isnt a bad thing but the plot after the first 40 minutes feels is too similar to " A New Hope" in my opinion. I also didnt find any of the new planets exciting. It was still a good movie, but i rank it tied with AotC.
True, I would say the first three are my favorites and 7 would be my 4th on the list on like in the original classics when they destroyed planets you at least knew which ones were being blown up... There was zero emotional attachment to the dozen planets that blew up all at once, it was more or less just a light show.
I would say that was one of the negatives of the movie. They crambed all this stuff, all these new characters and old ones, setting up plot and foreshadowing for seqals into 2 hour and 30 minutes that they dropped the ball on making you emotional attached to any charactera or planets that are lost
I'd agree with you largely, but ROTJ is not as good as people remember it. The Imperial Stormtroopers losing horribly to ******* ewoks completely ruins their credibility as villains. Also, there are long periods of nothingness in that movie, and the cinematography (especially around the scene where Luke is watching the space battle with Vader and the Emperor) is often sloppy. Overall I'd give it 6/10, whereas a New Hope is 8.5/10 and Empire is 9-9.5/10 (or 5/7 whichever you prefer).
Yeah but surely he could of just forced choked them both, I mean he stopped a blaster bullet (or whatever they're called) in mid air like it was nothing. it's not as if he wasn't capable of such things.
i can't say much about flying in the Star Wars universe but i was under the impersion the ship was the ungie thing, not it's pilot (rember Lando could fly the ship)
you act like fighting with a saber is really hard. it's just a space sword (and she may not be trained in the way to use a saber, but she knows how to fight. after all she grew up on a hostile planet). and Kylo lost because he'd been injured twice, once in the gut and once in the leg. she won cus he was at a massive disadvantage + she was more intune with the force
But Lando also owned the Millenium Falcon before Han got it, they state this in episode 5. Rey has never flown a starship of any kind before but she knows exactly how to control the MF. Both Luke in episode 4 and Anakin in episode 1 showed that they were familiar with flying ( Anakin with the podrace, luke with the skyhopper even if its not shown on screen) before they get their x-wing and N1 starfighter.
Because, in episode 4 we see Luke playing with a model of a skyhopper. We can see that it has a similar design to the imperial shuttle in episode 6 in which tells us it flies above ground. Luke also tells us he can with this starhopper shoot wamprats which are not bigger than two meters. This requires multitasking with flying and shooting the wamp rats at the same time.
The podrace in the movie shows us that the podracers goes extremely fast and requires a skilled pilot,
Reys speeder wasnt that fast and barely changed direction.
id also like to point out that when she and flin where running from the tie fighters they went for her bike, meaning it can go at extreme speeds when neccary.
Aaaand that's where you're wrong. Being able to even wield a lightsaber and let alone fight effectively with it is supposed to take years of practice. It's not at all comparable as to say it is a simple "space sword".
Admitedly there have been exceptions to this. Like in Episode V when Han gushes open the Taun-Taun. But the general idea is that it's extremely hard to handle in combat.
Jedi don't train to swordfight, they train to channel the force through their blades. The force controls you as much as you let it and you control it back the same way. If you focus on letting the force defeat your opponent then you will. It's basically whoever is more in tune with the force will win.
Well, she's lived near an Imperial star destroyer wreck her whole life, and she also recovered a flight simulator from it (she brought it to her home and has spent hundreds of hours in it, according to the extended material). Plus, you HAVE to know a bit of what you're scavenging, or else you just get crap.
Agreed. i remember all the bs fin was getting before the movie even premiered, and worried that i wouldt like him..but he was actually a gret character
We haven't seen Snoke yet as far as I can remember but he's the leader of the First Order, the guys Finn ran away from because they were blasting innocent people but everybody forgets that because Tr8-T0r guy is so cool. Also what hate? The internet is slithering all over Rey, and rightly so imo.
Snoke is the master of Kylo Ren, and the supposed Big Bad Sith Lord of this trilogy.
One thing that's pretty unique about him though is his unusually calm nature for someone as deep in the dark side as a Sith Lord; when the Starkiller Base is on the verge of defeat and Snoke is contacted to relay him this information, he's completely calm about this with no real sign of discontent, and simply commands General Hux to retrieve Kylo Ren to "finish his training". This is a rather unusual contrast to Kylo Ren's incredibly emotional and angry nature, too.
I'd really like Snoke to be a new character who is actually the size of his hologram. That would be so badass.
Imagine the size of the lightsaber he'd wield.
plus people have been pointing out that snoke looks like a member of the Muun species which plagueis was aswell. and while i don't know how trunstworthy the source was apparently a behind the scenes photo leaked of the guy playing snoke holding a staff which plagueis also used
Some illustrations of him show Plagueis with a long head but with normal facial features apart from that, so just giving him a normal shaped head isn't too much of a stretch (no pun intended).
Plus, the EU has been declared non-canon, so Plagueis could be introduced as a non-muun race or simply just a deformed human like Sideous and Vader.
>Some illustrations of him show Plagueis with a long head but with normal facial features apart from that, so just giving him a normal shaped head isn't too much of a stretch (no pun intended).
True, but the muun, in every appearance canon or otherwise, have always had elongated faces like that.
>Plus, the EU has been declared non-canon, so Plagueis could be introduced as a non-muun race or simply just a deformed human like Sidious and Vader.
That's possibility I hadn't considered actually. Although, I doubt if he survived palpatine's attack, that he would have kept low...especially between episodes 3 and 4.
The only time that Plagueis is mentioned in the movies is by Palpatine to tempt Anakin to the dark side. Palpatine says he was killed by his apprentice in his sleep.
We know that Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice (although I'm not sure how canon that is now).
If Palpatine failed to kill him, I doubt he'd mention it (if he even knew he failed in the first place).
You could also speculate that if Plagueis did in fact have the power to prevent his own death, and not just others', that he wouldn't reveal it to anyone.
I thought Rey was fine. The fact that she was immediately proficient in everything she did was kinda annoying though. Protagonists need to struggle and develop to be interesting and relatable and if they're already competent it doesn't leave many places to go.
We know she is going to get wrecked in the second movie, her doing well in this one was just to show kylo he could be stronger
so then she can go train hard to become the best there ever was in the climax
well to be fair it made a lot for sense for her to be good at the things she did. she used her bike a lot so her knowing how to fly is not that far of a stretch, she grew up on a hostile planet so her use of blasters is understandable. she used the metal pole as a main weapon so her use of a saber is easily linked to that. but while she seems to be natural intune with the force she has yet to truly show an understanding of it. plus she did have a struggle, with her emotional tie to her home planet and her dam near Stockholm syndrome with it.
Look at the Emperor in the OT. He's basically that. Other than that, well, we have yet to see. Though, he looks like he's a surviving Sith Lord, or, hell, me may even be a Jedi who survived Order 66 and turned to the dark side. We don't know exactly yet.
yeah. i wish lucas stuck with his original ideas if jar jar evil really was one and didnt cave so much. i would really like it more if luke turned evil in the end of ep VI and jar jar was portrayed as the master sith.
Hey, as long as it isn't the new Battlefront that makes money, it's fine.
The movies would happen anyway, but maybe someone else besides EA gets to make Star Wars games.
Wow that actually Totalled my Titos a little bit.
That Jurassic Park guy didn't have to be a dick about his movies in public, let alone on national television.
George pretty much quit because the fanbase got so rampant that he couldn't take it anymore, so he willfully hands it over to somebody else so that everybody can stop nagging him, and he gives it a wishful goodbye.
Then this guy just takes over 30 years of his life's work and goes "Yeah my thing is better than yours".
If I was Lucas, I would've said "Yeah yeah tell it to the Box Office, ******* "
Jurrassic World was a massive box office success though. More than any film Lucas has ever worked on. Not saying Star Wars wont overtake it but at this moment in time it hasn't so that'd be a pretty crummy insult.
why does he even care what the fans think, he created his universe in his own image - that's what everyone liked.
It's one thing to take advices and another to mold your universe in other's image