How did he have an addiction to CGI?

From everyone I've talked to, the only complaints we have are that the new sith lord is too forgettable.
Spoilers for anyone who somehow hasn't watched it yet below...
Also, the way that Kylo Ren throws those temper tantrums makes it hard to take seriously. I know that jedis are supposed to keep their emotions under control all the time and siths give in to emotions, but that's just too over the top. Also, I don't think it was bad that the episode 7 plot was so similar to episode 4 - they had to prove that they could make a good Star Wars movie after the distrust the prequels left us, and now they should have the trust and creative freedom to do what they want with 8 and 9.

I'll give you some complaints.

1) Poe Dameron:
When you write for long enough you start to see the skeleton of other peoples work and it's pretty clear when you watch TFA that Poe was meant to be with Finn and Rey for a while. However, in the film he disappears (almost literally) and then out of nowhere re-appears on a different planet despite not having even attempted to complete his mission on Tatooine (yes I know they call it Jakku but it is visibly and functionally indistinct from Tatooine so I'ma call it Tatooine).

What is more, he actually gets back BEFORE the main characters make it to Yavin IV (See Tatooine complaint) because he then shows up in an X-Wing to blow some **** up.

Now it's obvious what actually happened here. Poe was meant to be with the main cast and Poe was meant to be the one that flew the Falcon because Disney wasn't sure wether or not they would get Ford back for the role, however once Ford re-appeared there was no need for Poe (except to take-off from the planet's surface which they could get Rey to do instead), however they didn't write Poe completely out of the movie because Finn still needed to escape and BB-8 needed an owner so Poe just appears, does cool stuff, disappears, and then re-appears later.

That is shoddy scriptwriting and it is symptomatic of the problem with the film. Namely that the people in charge 'almost' cared enough to make it good. I'll elaborate.

2) Creative Bankruptcy:
This is the biggest complaint that the film could receive given that it is a Star Wars film. Kylo Ren? That is a stumble that can be fixed in external material, similar to Greivous, but the creative bankruptcy of the film can not.

To put this in perspective, Lucas is now and has always been a ******* MASTER of worldbuilding. Lucas worldbuilds like nobody's business and it is what made him a billionaire. His ability to paint a picture of a vast and expansive universe with only so many strokes is evident even in the prequels. The Cantina and Podrace scenes are the best example of this skill of his because they are him at his best and his worst.

The Cantina is an homage to the Wild West. It is a raucous but not intrusively loud scene whereby the vastness of the galaxy is alluded to through the patrons of the bar, and the hostility of the galaxy is alluded to firstly through the confrontation at the bar, then through Greedo, then through the Empire. All the while we are learning important details about our characters and the universe.

Meanwhile the Podrace is an homage to Ben Hur's chariots and it feels 100% at home in the Star Wars setting, even if it realistically didn't need to happen and actually makes less sense than the logical alternatives the characters had to choose from.

So at his best Lucas bathed the viewer in relevant information beyond the reach of the scene, and at his worst he distracted with something ridiculously cool but pointless.

Why do I say this? Because TFA has 3 cases of this. TR-8R, Phasma, and BB-8. Nothing else in the film is new to the universe, or at least in a meaningful way. We see new planets that are copies of old ones. We see a new superweapon that is a copy of an old one. We see a new order to replace the Empire that is functionally just the Empire without even a new coat of paint.

The point is that Star Wars has always been as much about compelling and unique visuals as it has been about its story and morals, but TFA is utterly bankrupt in that regard. The only indicator that any time has passed at all in the film is Leia and Han look older. Beyond that this could have taken place a week after RotJ because of how poorly information is given to the audience.

Whereas the difference before and during the Empire is instantly apparent visually, nobody cared enough to even update the Tie Fighters in the apparent 30 year gap this time.

TFA in so many ways just rides on Lucas' coat tails. He says they didn't take his ideas? They did. And they added almost nothing to them.

This comment is beautiful, well said.

Just gonna throw my 2 cents in

Kylo Ren isn't a Sith Lord, or even a Sith, he's the leader (and last) of the Knights of Ren, which we still don't know much about (although the new Aftermath novel trilogy will almost certainly go into it), and he's also an apprentice keep in mind, so he doesn't have full control over his anger and rage, and without that control it seems to be his downfall rather than his source of power as in the teachings of the Sith. So IMO the tantrums are in line with where he's at in his training, still being an apprentice and highly force sensitive as part of the Skywalker bloodline he has issues controlling himself. Idk, they seem a little over the top, but I still think it fits well with his character and progression

Yeah, I know why it would make sense on all those levels, but it still just seemed a bit too silly. Like, Vader crushed the entire room around him with the force when he first got in the suit because he was emotional, and that falls in line with the sith and what not.
And when I'm calling Kylo a sith, it's because he's training under the new sith master (I can't even remember his name it's so forgettable...) who stated at the end of the movie that it was time to complete his training. So I get that he's going to be emotional because of what he is; that doesn't mean that it won't seem silly.

"Vader crushed the entire room around him with the force when he first got in the suit because he was emotional, and that falls in line with the sith and what not. "

Any force user can do that.
That has nothing related to a Sith.

And so far Snoke, isnt a Sith.
And as far as i know, there wont be any Sith in the new movies, because they are being "replaced" by the Knights of Ren.

No **** any force user could do that. I was pointing out how even Vader would become destructive and take out his anger when he'd become emotional. It's just instead of swinging his lightsaber around, he'd crush things or choke/kill his subordinates.

And really, what's even the fundamental difference? They're force users who give in to their emotions to use the dark side of the force and the new ones are directly trying to accomplish what the sith tried and failed to do.

Yeah, you just pointed out how retarded Vader was.
Kylo Ren better(as in smarter) alone for not killing random people unnecessarily.

He hasn't started doing that yet, you mean. He seems pretty new at it, especially compared to Vader. He also seemed to be struggling on whether or not to fully go to the dark side, and if he does fully embrace it he may become completely ruthless.

No he isnt.
He is already a better force user than Vader ever was.

And going full dark side isnt not equal to being completely raging faggot.

What has he done to show that he's better than Vader? Because I think pinpointing and force choking a person from who knows how far away is pretty ******* impressive... www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2DLkDPwM8&ab_channel=StarJedi951

I haven't seen Kylo show that level of fine control or range. Nor do I remember seeing him use the sheer amount of force that Vader has used.

"Swinging one's lightsaber around, causing a lot of damage is perfectly fine but crushing rooms and killing people that you don't trust makes you a raging faggot."

All Vader ever did was force choke.
Which is pretty lame compared to completely freezing people, even laser shots mid-flight.

You see, Vader never shown this level of control and power.

Fair enough, I do think his tantrums are a little overdone, but yeah I get what you mean

Oh and you're thinking of Supreme Leader Snoke

Oh yeah, that was his name!

...I don't know if I want him to be that size in person or not (since those were just holograms). It might be cool to see a giant using the force and just being imposing like that, but it could also look really silly. I guess I'll just have to wait until 2017 to find out.

Can't wait for Rogue One!

And the only thing I disliked about Snoke, was the all-CGI. In a film where Abrams has gone back to the way the originals were made with puppets and animatronics, why in the hell does Snoke need CGI? Some makeup could have the same effect as his facial scarring, and then just blow up a hologram of him.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who noticed and disliked that aspect of Snoke...

But then again, I think we only notice CGI when that's all we can focus on. When the character interactions/development, plot, etc. are all great, we tend to not notice things like CGI. But when we're not invested in the character or the scene, we have too much time to notice stuff like that, and Snoke really wasn't given much more than just a few short appearances, so picking at the CGI is the little amount we can focus on. Idk, that's just my guess.

I'd say that about sums it up. It'll be interesting to see his backstory, because JJ has confirmed that he's new to both the canon and non-canon star wars universe, so hopefully he has more full development in 8 and 9

Yeah, it really is just a loud minority, the majority of both fans and non fans have enjoyed it from what I've seen and heard

I really liked it, but I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fan though. Although I'll admit that it was similar to the plot of A New Hope, however, I felt that that was done well. If they keep that model and start copying the other ones more blatantly, then I might have a problem. But all in all, I had great fun seeing the VII, actually thinking about rewatching it in IMAX this Friday.

I've been a fan since birth because my father was, and I've grown up with the films as my favorite movies. This one was a great experience for me, when the movie ended, I turned to my friends and said "Holy **** ...they actually did it...JJ actually did it!". After watching it more and more, I've noticed some stuff I don't like, but yeah, all around it was pretty great.

Well, you can't make everyone happy, people were already upset about the Extended Universe bit This movie made me feel like a kid watching the originals with my parents though, so it gets a thumbs up in my book. That scene where the planet starts absorbing the sun actually got me far more excited than any movie has in a long while.

I wasn't a big fan of Starkiller, that and the Rathtars were the main two things I disliked. As someone who read the Expanded Universe stuff after RotJ, I'm glad they didn't try to adapt it into film, and I like these characters more anyway, Kylo Ren is basically the "Jacen Solo" character from the EU

Yeah, I actually like that they didn't try and go the route that was in the book, too complicated to be accurately made into a movie but that's just my opinion. I didn't mind the bit with the Rathtars, but it could be cut out and I wouldn't care too much. I guess I just have a burning indifference towards that part

Yeah, I agree. Welp, some anon keeps coming through and thumbing down this whole conversation for no reason, good talk though.

Likewise!

Seriously, he compared Disney to slavers when he was talking about selling Star Wars, ignoring the fact that if anyone ****** up his franchises, it was him. Video related, essentially what Lucas (and Spielberg) did to Indiana Jones with the 4th movie. I can deal with the ******** in the prequels, but it's irritating that he retroactively worsened the original trilogy with his ******** changes. It's also difficult to respect Vader as a villain when you know about how much of a little bitch he was as Anakin.

He did apologize for the slavers analogy.

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10/10 amazing use of select all.

holy **** your a genius
thank you so much

The price he sold Lucasfilm and its accompanying assets (i.e. Star Wars which altogether sold for 4.05 billion) always struck me as something unusually low, especially given that Star Wars' biggest appeal from a business perspective is how easy it is to market out merchandise, which is the single most essential component to Disney's franchise management. I figured when I read that he was going to be an advisory for the movies, I thought that meant they were contractually obligated to consistently run by him at least for SOME of his uh... "good ideas", and I was really surprised his actual relationship was limited to a (undisclosed) percentage of revenue from the films and merchandise.