Making My Way Downtown. I think that fate can be proven with science. Consider this: If you could measure everything in the universe precisely, then you can pre Free will is an
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Making My Way Downtown

I think that fate can be proven with science. Consider this: If you could measure everything in the universe precisely, then you can predict the future with 100% accuracy. Example: If you know a car is running at 100 miles per hour consistently going from city A to city B which has the distance of 200 miles, you know that he will reach city B in precisely 2 hours. Now he could go faster or slower, depending on the driver, but there must be a reason behind it. Example: if we could measure the driver as well, we might know that the chemistry of his brain has made him obsessed with perfection and he needs to be there in precisely 2 hours. The chemistry of his brain has been determined ever since his birth and conception, and it goes way back. If you could observe and measure everything, you'll see that there is no free will in this world. God or no God, our future is set in stone and we have no way of changing it.

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#19 - Proximity (04/17/2014) [+] (3 replies)
>"Wait. I know you." in-conversation, not passing remark
>Press tab
>"Carry on"

My bounty can be pretty high since tab just ends the conversation
#3 - mudkipftw (04/17/2014) [+] (9 replies)
A+ for the ******* description
#29 - infinitereaper (04/17/2014) [+] (8 replies)
The uncertainty principle and quantum mechanics pretty much renders the description obsolete.

Sorry Eisenstein, god plays with dice and none of this **** makes any ******* sense.
#38 - snafer (04/17/2014) [+] (2 replies)
But OP, measuring something may sometimes alter its properties and therefore make the measurement false and its "future" unpredictable.

Go read some quantum mechanics
#45 - Sethorein (04/18/2014) [+] (3 replies)
Honestly, I wish I got to use this .gif more...
Honestly, I wish I got to use this .gif more...
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#71 - historicbacon (04/18/2014) [-]
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#68 - russianbro (04/18/2014) [-]
Man thats some deep 						****					 in that description.
Man thats some deep **** in that description.
#61 - anonymous (04/18/2014) [+] (6 replies)
OP forgot about the indeterminacy of quantum physics.
User avatar #65 to #64 - KazumaKyu ONLINE (04/18/2014) [-]
I'll give you that, more information might well alter the playing field such that definition could be achieved.
User avatar #55 - cpawsome (04/18/2014) [+] (3 replies)
@Kada The feeling of consciousness is that we are in control. To feel like we are in control we must think about what we do before we do it and then witness it.
So if I bump my knee in the correct position it will flinch due to an involuntary response, however making the decision to bump my knee and then witnessing it means that I am in control of the involuntary reaction.
The illusion is that we are not in control.
User avatar #23 - sulkboy (04/17/2014) [-]
your comment was interesting. there is a theory that if you knew everything that was happening in the universe at any single moment you could predict the future indefinitely. all we need to do now is find out how to know everything
#7 - doktorwhat (04/17/2014) [-]
PS - you are almost right. Causality does (or at least can) explain the seemingly deterministic nature of our reality, however - you have not accounted for initial conditions or the physics of free will. True, if we see an object is in motion then we should be able to predict the rest of its movement - but one needs to account for 4th-dimensional properties (such as angular momentum), which cannot be measured in one moment of time - one needs to take many measurements in order to be able to estimate the angular momentum. This can only be done if we can observe the entire universe from the beginning to the end of time.

As far as the physics of free will: we could maybe find away of measuring the neural structure and causality of a person's neural networks, but to be able to predict the exact moment a human kicks a ball or how long he blinks based on neural networks seems a rather daunting, nearly impossible task.
#4 - doktorwhat (04/17/2014) [+] (12 replies)
oooh oooh

can someone please tell me where "making my way downtown" comes from and why I see it used a lot?
User avatar #44 - themurp (04/17/2014) [-]
Requires infinite data storage and processing. Therefore unachievable, not impossible.
User avatar #42 - garaichu (04/17/2014) [-]
Watching Steins;Gate right now; **** no is the future set in stone, ****** .
#40 - jamiemsm (04/17/2014) [-]
what if a missing plane fell down infront of his car?
User avatar #39 - coolcalx (04/17/2014) [-]
the more accurately you know a particle's momentum, the less likely you know its position.

delX*delP > h-bar/2

100% accuracy is not allowed.

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#35 - anonymous (04/17/2014) [-]
**** those people that say 'but but muh quantum mechanics', with 100% knowledge, 100% prediction can occur, regardless of the way the universe works.

That OP is wrong when he says we have no free will. He fails to take into account that our entirety and consciousness is part of this determined universe, and that our choices affect the future. If we are defeatist to fate, the universe will turn out differently than if we see consequence and responsibility.

Just because you were predetermined to make a decision that you see as beneficial, doesn't mean that the outcome would occur regardless of said decision. Just because you see the causation for the things that you do, doesn't mean that those things are only effects, they too are causations for other things.

The universe is likely predetermined, but you are predetermined to change it with your free will.
#24 - anonymous (04/17/2014) [-]
you should look up quantum mechanics, then you will truly know about fate
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