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Overthinking is Magic Returns

Do you agree of disagree? Did the episode live up to expectations? Do you care? Does pedobearRAW have King Sombra gore? WHO KNOWS!

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User avatar #1 - halotalim (11/12/2012) [+] (30 replies)
Beyond that though, I think Sombra is an under appreciated villain. Think of it. In the short time he was on screen, he enslaved an entire population, nullified a powerful warriors magic, came back from banishment, besieged a kingdom, imprisoned a main character, utilized a door that leads to your worst fear, could still remotely use his magic in the kingdom even when he couldn't enter, the only way the charcters could find out where he had hidden the heart was by using his form of evil magic, had a regeneration ability, had a menacing (though semi stupid) look that reminded me of a brute chieftain from halo 3 when I first saw it, A growling voice, caused terror, and had nearly taken the kingdom back when he was disintegrated. The fact that he 1 dimensional is a great touch to because you don't know what his motives are, much about his history, or have him confined by a personality, so he threat comes not from what we do know about him, but from what we don't know. When you think of it, he actually was a great villain.
User avatar #11 - welshdrag (11/12/2012) [-]
RD was my favorite since ep 1 but they are making it really hard to like her when they make her such a fucking bitch
#100 - animepost (11/13/2012) [-]
Fuck the whole "Twilight becomes an Alicorn" Theory.   
Now mind that, to me, Twilight will always be best pony.   
   
Twilight becoming an Alicorn sounds dandy and all...   
But where do her friends fit into all this?   
The entire fucking show is about FRIENDSHIP!   
   
And while I do realize Twilight is supposed to be the "Star",   
I believe the rest of the mane cast should have equal screen time,   
as well as conclusions as grand as Twilight becoming an Alicorn.   
(should that come to pass.)
Fuck the whole "Twilight becomes an Alicorn" Theory.
Now mind that, to me, Twilight will always be best pony.

Twilight becoming an Alicorn sounds dandy and all...
But where do her friends fit into all this?
The entire fucking show is about FRIENDSHIP!

And while I do realize Twilight is supposed to be the "Star",
I believe the rest of the mane cast should have equal screen time,
as well as conclusions as grand as Twilight becoming an Alicorn.
(should that come to pass.)
#29 - fargone (11/12/2012) [+] (1 reply)
I really liked the episode, but I'm pretty biased towards Twilight and was salivating at the prospect of a new episode, so I think that's a big part of it. I think part of what hurt Sombra was what he had to go up against. Nightmare Moon, while not as popular as the other villains, is an extension of arguably the single most liked character in the show. Trixie, while more of an antagonist than a villain, is still pretty damn popular, and is very likely to get her own episode because of it. Discord was more or less pitch-perfect, probably the best villain so far even with his episodes being a little quick to get him out of the way. Chrysalis, again, was a great villain to round out the season. Going up against these star players, Sombra would have been hard pressed to be on the same level of them even without him being essentially a side-plot. As he was, he was pretty much guaranteed to be below expectations. And honestly, I had trouble taking him seriously after seeing leaked pictures of him. There's looking evil, there's looking too evil, and then there's Sombra, flying off the end of the evil scale and landing firmly in the middle of the "comically evil scale". The poor bastard never had a chance.

As for the episode as a whole, I enjoyed it, with a few minor gripes, chiefly Rarity and RBD. Both of them, Rarity to a lesser extent, seem to have some difficultly being likable. I think part of it comes down to RBD just being a bit of an ass, almost to the point of being a foil to the other, more likable characters. The other thing that bugged me was the realization that Cadence and Shining are here to stay. I was never really satisfied with how Twilight suddenly sprouted a brother at the end of the second season and even less satisfied that her babysitter suddenly pop up in the same span of time. You'd think that either one of these ponies might come up once or twice in conversation over the course of two seasons, but apparently not.
#31 to #29 - fargone (11/12/2012) [-]
Probably my biggest gripe of all was this:
Twilight- "Hey, we're going to the blasted, windswept arctic wasteland! What should we bring?"
Rarity- "I'll bring a few scarves that none of us will wear save for one scene where I point out that I am wearing a scarf. It's not like I MADE YOU ALL CLOAKS IN THE LAST SEASON OR ANYTHING."

I am very upset with whoever ruined our chances of seeing ponies in cloaks for a large portion of an episode. Look at that. It's freakin' adorable!
#27 - brisineo (11/12/2012) [+] (9 replies)
While I can understand your frustration, electricsheep I actually DISAGREE.   
   
*cue audible gasps and the mass cracking of fingers in preparation for raging arguments*   
   
You see, when I watched this episode, it was not from the stand-alone perspective, and with special emphasis on Sombra's inherent abilities and the effects of his particular type of magic. (which in accordance to the "emotional magic" theory, is fueled by fear and hatred)  And what I and some others have now concluded, this is NOT the end of Sombra, and this episode is merely the piece of a larger whole.   
   
First, let us look at Sombra himself.   
   
Yes, he didn't say much or had any inklings as to a personality, but I don't think that was the purpose here in the episode.  It was to introduce him as a villain, and even more so, a presence before introducing him as a character.  Much like Sauron's role in LotR, he has an obvious and rather intimidating influence over the protagonists, even if he does not have any direct interactions with them, or even say much in terms of dialogue.  But even more noticeable is the scar that Sombra left behind as a result of his reign, and you truly see how powerful his influence is, and how powerful it WILL be, which I think will give him the leg up on the other villains in the fact that I believe he will return in the end, with several events leading up to it throughout the season.   
   
Given that a mere fragment of his horn was enough to corrupt so much of the Kingdom to make it through, imagine what his entire horn, which survived and is seen flying out of the screen, which could be foreshadowing.
While I can understand your frustration, electricsheep I actually DISAGREE.

*cue audible gasps and the mass cracking of fingers in preparation for raging arguments*

You see, when I watched this episode, it was not from the stand-alone perspective, and with special emphasis on Sombra's inherent abilities and the effects of his particular type of magic. (which in accordance to the "emotional magic" theory, is fueled by fear and hatred) And what I and some others have now concluded, this is NOT the end of Sombra, and this episode is merely the piece of a larger whole.

First, let us look at Sombra himself.

Yes, he didn't say much or had any inklings as to a personality, but I don't think that was the purpose here in the episode. It was to introduce him as a villain, and even more so, a presence before introducing him as a character. Much like Sauron's role in LotR, he has an obvious and rather intimidating influence over the protagonists, even if he does not have any direct interactions with them, or even say much in terms of dialogue. But even more noticeable is the scar that Sombra left behind as a result of his reign, and you truly see how powerful his influence is, and how powerful it WILL be, which I think will give him the leg up on the other villains in the fact that I believe he will return in the end, with several events leading up to it throughout the season.

Given that a mere fragment of his horn was enough to corrupt so much of the Kingdom to make it through, imagine what his entire horn, which survived and is seen flying out of the screen, which could be foreshadowing.
User avatar #15 - dashgamer (11/12/2012) [-]
Time to state my over-analysis about Sombra again.

A lot of people think he was a poor villain because of his lack of character development, but his role in the show was more symbolic than anything. He was the embodiment of evil, and what makes him unique as a villain is that he wasn't really defeated by the Mane 6 or Shining and Cadance. They were actually powerless to stop him, and without the relic of the Crystal Heart, they would have succumbed to his attrition. I don't even know what the crystal ponies powered the Heart with, but all of the cutesy wootsy lovey dovey ideals of the protagonists were useless against him. They had to acquire a stone that acted as a conduit for those feelings, Daring Do style.
What was apparent was that as an enemy, he was seemingly indefatigable and insuperable when faced in battle, but he was vulnerable to the unity of his former subjects or "slaves," when they came together with the happiness and amity in their hearts that he had oppressed.

About the transformation of Twilight into an Alicorn, at this point there is too little data for accurate speculation, but what we can all be sure of is that her organizational skills will probably be used in her impending role in Equestrian government.
#5 - anonymous (11/12/2012) [+] (1 reply)
Twilight is a Mary Sue.
#131 - lupusbrine (11/14/2012) [-]
I feel like one of the few who actually liked the premiere.
I feel like one of the few who actually liked the premiere.
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#85 - Eralus (11/13/2012) [-]
So many essay length comments o_O
#80 - pseudobob **User deleted account** (11/13/2012) [+] (25 replies)
I don't think Twilight will become an Alicorn.

Why is that? My non-brony friend makes a hell of an argument. Bear with me, folks.

For one, she would essentially turn into a Mary Sue if she did that. It's practically an archetype: Hero gets offered Godhood, he/she declines it for the tightknit group of friends they've grown to know and love along their travels.

This brings up the second point: Twilight would never abandon, or alienate, her friends. The first season was all about getting to know the ponies and fitting into Ponyville, and learning the value of friendship. I don't know where this fits in to becoming an alicorn, but she declined a route of her studies in the series premier in order to stay with her friends, and she barely knew them for more than a day.

Thirdly, I can't imagine that she isn't given a choice on this. I mean, if it was absolutely necessary for some reason, then that would pretty much ruin it, right? The call of duty is more important than the only friends you've ever known? That's a terrible Aesop in every way. As a side note, she would also be granted immortality (or just insanely long life...) and outlive her friends even if the relationships aren't completely severed.

Just to finish this with any semblance of rationality and relationship to the post, if Twilight declines the offer/request to become an alicorn, I think that would be both thematically responsible and fucking awesome.
User avatar #72 - nonamethewise (11/13/2012) [+] (1 reply)
What if Sombra remained underdeveloped because they wanted to wait until we give him a personality (like we do with all underdeveloped characters)?
User avatar #66 - herpdaki (11/12/2012) [+] (2 replies)
Why exactly is everyone convinced that Twilight will become an alicorn?
#64 - attifyon (11/12/2012) [+] (7 replies)
ITT : Grown men seriously looking for deeper meanings in a little girls' show.
Okay, whatever floats your boat. But I think you're forgetting that it is still a little girls' show. Why would they put shit that deep only for people like you to try and figure it out?
I don't know, It looks weird from the non-brony area.
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#10 - sinery (11/12/2012) [-]
If you didn't like the episode it's probably because of your expectations, the greater expectations, the greater disappointment unless of course it's a masterpiece which should not be expected.
I got a open mind and I've kept in mind that s03 may not be as good as the previously seasons, i can understand that you pump yourself up for the premier, but then the flaw is at you, not the episode.
Keep an open mind and you may enjoy it as much as me.
User avatar #4 - bloodseel (11/12/2012) [+] (4 replies)
Anyone got the link?
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#132 - anonymous (11/15/2012) [+] (1 reply)
Tara Strong already confirmed twilight will not be an Alicorn.
User avatar #102 - dragonwhite (11/13/2012) [-]
I completely agree with what you say. Personally I stayed away from all the spoilers etc. just so that it didn't get ruined for me and I was impressed with the episodes.

While I was watching it I kept assuming that Twilight was going to end up becoming an Alicorn, I wasn't sure if anyone else had assumed that either, kind of glad I'm not the only one. :)
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User avatar #23 - Kitsunehunter (11/12/2012) [-]
Did anyone else think that Sombra's first appearance was a reference to Lost? He had the same weird wail and tooked like the smoke monster
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