Not THAT MLP, Fox News.

Yes, im aware that most mlp toys are made of plastic. I was just trying to rhyme :)

I choose to think that you weren't being sarcastic.

because i like funnyjunk..... and the next arrow brought me to this shit

Well, don't mean to argue or piss you off, but most pony post have the ponytime channel at the top, when you see that just skip, its what I do when I see stonerhumor or morbid

can you link us to a source of some kind i would love to bring this up in internet forums and such things where idiots and trolls abound

Fox Entertainment corp and its subsidiaries don't actually have a published online copyright, I learned of it through my Pol 210 class, its in my textbook. If you want a good applied argument, here is a good one www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=...

Dunno, but did you SEE what CNN said about Bad Apple!!?

you know, i have to apologize for the way a couple of people reacted to your opinion here.

It's okay, it can be misconstrued as a hater comment a little bit.
But I did at least agree that Fox news were stupid as usual. :P

Well, having seen the 1st gen show and the most recent show, I can tell you from experience that there's quite a difference. G1 was very, very contrived and sappy. It had pretty bad voice acting, it had "shooby doo wop" songs for no reason, and it had awful humor.

The new series on the other hand is written in such a way as to engage both the younger viewers, as well as the more mature ones. There's humor for both demographics, the animation is a LOT easier on the eyes than G1, the voice acting sounds great, the songs are catchy and the characters interact with each other very nicely.

Thank you for replying, while I did not see it in the episodes I saw I thank you for stating your opinion, it's not one that I match, but I thank you for it none the less.

IMO for the episodes I saw the humour was bad, but still not as bad as I'd have expected from the 80's show.
Mind you I didn't listen to any of the songs as girly songs are not my cup of tea at all.
One thing I will state is that yes the characters seemed to work well together, but they did not give off the air of just learning to become friends, there was no feeling of learning trust or anything like that, which to me was kinda odd. Nothing terrible just not a point in it's favour.

I don't think the humor is necessarily bad, just it isn't of your tastes. from what i'v seen from your descriptions, you prefer more satirical forms of humor. MLP has more casual, slapstick type of humor that relies on the interactions between characters, with bits of references and such added in, as well as the personalities of the characters used to enhance the cleverness.

i have to admit i don't burst out laughing at most of the show, but it does make me chuckle and giggle inside over the course of each episode, it feels more natural and isn't forced. It's not like how i expect for there to be something random when watching, like when i used to watch invader zim, i would always wait for something random and stupid to happen, like gir's overly exaggerated retarded behavior, or over the top moments like bloaty unzipping his costume to reveal a bloated, obese man who just seems like the most depressed human being XD.

But that's what made the show for me when it came to invader zim, that's what i expected to happen. For MLP i expect a bit of cleverness, like rarity's "whining" scene that fans love, and then you have the bits of random stuff that makes me laugh, mostly because it's just surprising the way they act sometimes, the irony of it all is a big factor.

Oh some slapstick I like, don't get me wrong, the character interaction thing as well I can like, MLP just doesn't hit it quite right IMO. I mean Shrek for example does it quite well (I know I keep mentioning it but it's the closest comparison I can think of) and that has a lot of slapstick humour and does appeal to an older audience. For me MLP just hasn't quite hit the nail on the head yet and maybe that is also the case for other non fans, who knows?

I will admit I didn't chuckle once at the episodes I saw. That's the truth of it, I mean Invader zim makes me laugh, Shrek does it too, hell even the old 80's transformers actually has some chuckle worthy puns in it, but MLP:FiM, there was literally nothing.

Also I have seen the rarity whining scene and...well I just find it annoying, it's really (and this is not meant to be seen as a comparison with malice in it) like a child would act when their parents say they're whining, it does. XD
To me that is annoying as...well I don't like it when kids act all bratty. :P

well, i personally found the rarity scene to be clever because she was mocking her captors and purposely acting out in an annoying manor to bother them immensely, and knowing rarity's personality (being a matured, elegant, cultured, regal character), and then seeing her purposely act like a child, i found that very funny lol.

shrek relies on quite a bit of satire and over the top antics as well, like invader zim, such as the princess singing which makes a bird explode, or the scene where she beats the crap out of that robin hood gang. It's slapstick is kind of unlike MLP, being that MLP is a little bit more subtle, and isn't able to utilize violence as much to make jokes.

you wouldn't find the humor of MLP appealing unless you clicked with the character's personalities, because, again, it is fairly dependent on the characters interacting with each other.

Just saying that it doesn't make its humor bad, just not of your preference.

Well I never said it wasn't clever either though. :P
But yeah I still found it annoying even though it was clever in that respect, although you can slightly see it coming. I mean you can make a guess that it's about to happen. :P

Oh yeah sometimes it does, I mean the series of films as a whole (not including the fourth or Puss in Boots in this as I have not seen either of those) seem to do it very well, and I get the feeling MLP was trying to mirror it without the violence, but like you said without the character connection it falls flat. And I didn't connect with any of the characters, and I still couldn't I bet. XD

Yeah. Mind you I think the times I say "bad" I meant disappointing...maybe.
Thinking back on it it's probably that. :P

agreed lol.

Man, I think you overreacted there a bit. You should go to comment #90 and apologize.

even the gay community are pinkieing you down

Just going to say, it seems like you kind of overreacted a bit. He just made a neutral comment, but you responded negatively. He's allowed to have an opinion, and he's allowed to share it as he sees fit. He's not being disrespectful, he's merely sharing his mind.

He's allowed to. As long as he's not being disrespectful or uncivil, I don't see what the problem is.

I dunno, do you have to go on every one of mine and have another opinion?

Dude they're opinions, people have differing ones, just either accept it and discuss them or ignore me, it's not that hard to do.
Hell the site even has a blocking feature to block me if you're even that sick of seeing my comments...so you know instead of making a deal out of someone not having the same opinion as you you could do that.
Just a suggestion man.
Have fun with whatever you decide. :)

Okay so having a differing opinion and trying to portray a decent side to the non fans and giving actual explanations instead of random hate is now also bad? Seriously just ignore it if you don't like it, go and watch the show and have fun, I aint stopping ya!

I don't see how organized hate is any better than random hate. But my only question is why you didn't make your point the first time? Why keep starting?

Dude, I don't hate the show. I don't.
I do not like it and merely point out the areas which most non-fans who have tried the show would have. Stop taking things which are against the norm of the show as hate. Hate is a powerful emotion and one that should not be used in descriptive terms lightly.

And the point is never made once and once only as there are always new fans who start the process over again, and there are as I am sure you're well aware people have been asking where to find the show even to this day so yeah once they start the cycle again there will be a "new breed" for the one who are actually haters to attack and those new people may not have the sense of decorum a lot of current gay community have, so of course potential flame wars there. But if they know the reason why most non fans do not like it then that can put potential flaming to rest faster. But that is all hypotheticals which I have no doubt you'll just ignore.

Also to clarify I do not do it on every brony post, only ones that I see that might happen to yield a decent discussion to inform both sides, non fans and fans, who may see it and then hopefully bring them to a minuscule piece of understanding with each other on it.

I'd much rather have the gay community and haters separated, damn channels are making things worse. Everything's getting pinkieed to shit, and nobody has a choice not to see it. I admit that I may have overreacted or overreplied or something, and I apologize, but as of the nature of things, this will get just as many negative pinkies as the rest. I never get credit for apologizing, even though I can admit when I'm wrong.


So there, tl;dr, I apologized for being a jerk. Please at least give me credit for being mature enough there.

Okay I give you the credit that you realised the mistake of over reacting.
I do hope in future that instead of lashing out that both of us take the time to act calmly about things.

Please feel free to block me if my comments make you feel uncomfortable in any way at all, I don't see it as any sort of malicious attack or anything. :)

I will say that it's not the haters I am trying to connect though, just the reasonable non fans. :)
The haters on both sides (yeah there are a few bronys that are haters to every other belief) can burn in hell as they don't help anyone. :P

...I'll probably get pinkieed down for that last sentence. XD

The show just means so much to me, I probably get more out of it than I should, I just hate to think someone could dismiss such a thing. Not that you are, but I'm obviously heavily biased when reading your shit, so it'll look worse than it is to me. So you're just a hardcore neutral? I wouldn't think that group to really want to group together, but I guess it's getting to the extremes of ponidom lately. I was really hoping it'd die down by now and people wouldn't be so loud about the show; I mean I really don't appreciate a random pony or inside joke getting front page just because of the ponytime channel. All it does is causes a shitstorm more than it's worth. I'm sure our black admin loves shitstorms and if he reads this he'll see that this channel shit needs a separate area.

Just hoping it torments you a bit, MLP is the reason I'm able to be reasonable with you and calm the fuck down ;3

Well i wouldn't go as far as hardcore neutral either.
I am pretty neutral in comparison but I do dislike elements of the show as they're definitely not to my tastes, the over femininity for example. and the damn sooongs. D:

But yeah I agree with you that our black admin has to fix the channels, but I don't think getting rid of them is the answer maybe have it so each channel is displayed on the frontpage instead, with newest uploads having it's own channel and then have the most popular content in that channel be the pinkienail for the channel of that day.

BUT THE SONGS ARE SO GOOD! Lol, if you want a good comparison, look up the sea pony song. SHOOBEDOO! It's so bad. As you've probly noticed by now, certain aspects of my geneology and personality, I don't mind femenimeineminneimneimninmineity. I think a good channel thing would be to just have them so you can only see 'em if you subscribe to 'em. I'd reccomend some amazing remixes on youtube, Pinkie's Lie by woodentoaster, and Alyx S.'s Party with Pinkie. I guess if you have a more serious personality, all their songs are a bit silly to you, so I guess techno remixes aren't exactly professional either.

Eh, when I watched the episodes I had to skip the opening title and any other songs I came across because my personal tastes lead me to see that those songs are just annoying.

My personal tastes on songs are iffy and for mixes iffyer still :P
I don't really like techno at all, pretty much all of the electronica genres sounds like bad noises given a beat.

Don't get me wrong I can still sing some songs but tbh the songs are intended for the younger audience...I think.

Well making the show, they didn't intend for it to be for any audience. That's why Lauren Faust is different, she was purposely aiming for everyone. And does it really matter who it was intended for? I mean if something was made for kids but I like it, who cares? The song Becoming Popular is a great example, it doesn't sound like ANYTHING a kid would listen to. I can't think of that genre, but it's pretty good.

I am pretty sure she was at least aiming partially for a dedicated younger audience in the initial stages of it otherwise it would have been released on another channel where more people would see it. :P

I wasn't saying if you liked it or not was the key thing in me liking it, in fact, I never said they were bad at all, I just said that my tastes didn't follow that even remotely.
The only time I said was for electronica genres, and that was a generalisation of what I thought.

Well I'll have to take your word for it as I can't stand ten seconds of a MLP song. :P
Of the ten seconds I put myself through it sounds like old Disney being the closest comparison. Mind you I also didn't really watch that much old Disney, it sounds like little mermaid from the few snippets I have heard over the years but I haven't watched it so I can't say for certain.

Listen to the G1 seapony song, then any of the more popular pony songs. That'll at least make it sound amazing.

In musical terms probably as music has changed over the years, but that still doesn't mean I'll like it because it sounds different to G1.

If it sounds not appealing to me to begin with, giving me a worse option doesn't really make me want to listen to the less annoying sounding song more, you know?

I'll try it but I don't think I'll last 5 seconds. :P

Don't bitch at him for having an opinion.
You could always ignore his comments.

You know, he's being a better brony then you and he isn't even a brony.

Well, I don;t know you, and I can tell you're a gay, furry?
Yes, stop shoving that in my face, I see it in every single comment you post.
Don't be a hypocrit. He doesn't like MLP, you don't live vagina.
We get it, don't be a hypocrit.

Your Username and Profile picture goes along with every comment.
Just because he has an opinion you dissagree with, doesn't me he shouldn't voice it.
I'm sure gay community post comments on posts they like, refrencing MLP.
So why can't he voice a negative opinion?

"Demands GAY version"
"Picture is a furry animal"
Jesus, 2 seconds on your blocked profile and I could tell from the description.
Well, first of all. Why would somebody who hated bowling, go to it?
Second, this is the internet. Not bowling. It's a cartoon which people don't and do like.
Third, if you came up to me and my friends whining about not liking bowling, we'd just request you be moved, because I don't have to listen to your shit, just like you didn't have to read his comment.

Sorry, if this mans opinion bothers you on a kids cartoon, but that would be a problem with YOU not him.
And I don't care about your sexuality, It was the only example I had.

You don't get it do you? A positive opinion is different than a negative opinion. Negative opinions piss off everyone except for the people on the negative side, drawing a well defined line between people. He could talk about the things he likes about the show, and it would only bring everyone closer, even if he doesn't like much about it. What could his goal possibly be other than attracting attention and making people mad. If he's a troll, he's a very subtle and good one. I get a jab of anger when I see someone just dismiss entirely a subject that I hold very dear, and that is why I am here. To try to make peace maybe, or at least get an admittance that there is nothing wrong with enjoying a television show, even if someone else doesn't like it. You don't see me starting shit storms on doctor who posts, even though I loathe the show.

dude, are you being serious right now?

he was just expressing his opinion, which i find refreshing when someone can do it as respectably as he did.

doesn't matter if that opinion is in support or against the show, or any show, and it doesn't matter where that opinion is placed, he was respectful with it, and that's all that matters.

Now THAT was a good shitstorm.
The attemps, the comebacks, the inevitable failure...
Feel good knowing that I'm not the one writing desperate, stubborn comments which only serve to be counter-claimed.

I ove this place.

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Damn I suck.

The new show has references to "adult" stuff, GREAT humor, fantastic characters and an interesting story, The old one was a toy commercial.

In my opinion the humour is not really all that great, stuff a kid would find funny.
I myself didn't see any references in the three episodes I saw, the characters I didn't find interesting at all, more annoying because of the over feminisation and the story, I didn't see one that held my attention at all in the episodes.

I've never watched the original MLP, but somehow I doubt it had Fluttershy pwning a dragon.
MLP:FiM has great characters and it actually has plot. (not that Plot, you pervert)
There's a reason we can't stop posting pony pictures. The characters are just that good, and we love seeing them.

...she pwn'd it by talking to it?
IMO, laaaaame. :P

(What plot? I say plot as in a decent story that encompasses an entire series and each and every episode is a part of it or has some connection to it. In the three I saw I saw no connection between them or any overarching plotline.
Even as a sketch show type format there should still be something. :P)

I have not seen one character myself that is even remotely connectible for me.

no connection between episodes means no plot and the show sucks huh?

so then lets see what else fits that bill

family guy, futurama, amerifat dad, simpsons, south park, kids next door, johnny test, hey arnold, spongebob squarepants...

get the hint? oh and just in case "those are all kids shows hurr durr"

big bang theory, how i met your mother, ncis, csi, law and order, criminal minds, DOCTOR FUCKING WHO
aside from transitions between seasons, where characters are added, removed, hook up, break up, what continuity is there episode to episode during a season?

NCIS does have an overreaching plot in some seasons.
And puh-lease with Doctor who.
BAD WOLF. That's all I'll say.
Time can be re-written, hell even the "donna noble era had links with planets being taken/ going missing.

Also by "what plot" I meant to what other definition you were referring when you said "(not that Plot, you pervert)".
And the thing is by the first initial soundings of the show it sounded like they were going to show a plotline and they didn't, which just fell flat IMO when they didn't go with one.
I never said no plot = bad, I just said that without one when it kinda set one up it kinda falls down a notch to me.

A serial plot is not the only type of plot, moron. By your definition, any book or movie that doesn't have a follow-up has no plot. That's one of the most retarded thing anyone has ever written.

Well seeing as they set up a plot of the one from the moon coming out to get revenge and then it was not heard from again I felt that they set up a decent, series encompassing plot and just never went through with it as in the episodes I watched there was no hint to it.
Also the thing about them learning to be friends, that could also have been a decent series encompassing subplot, but again in each episodes I didn't see a growth of friendship, they all just were friends.

That's what I meant, that they set it up and I saw no hint of either of them in the episodes I saw, leading me to believe that they just never went through with them and used them only for a few episodes at the start.

Basically, FiM isn't just a 30-minute advertisement for the toys the way the original animated series was.

True, mind you Transformers has still survived in that kind of mindset from that era. :P

The writing isn't as retarded, I saw an older episode to compare and the dialogue was god awful in comparison.. to everything.

Writing I will say has probably been brought to the standard of this day and age, but is still very much for a younger audience and shows it very much so IMO.
But yeah it's writing has been brought up to the times.

They are clearly aware of the older audience, and caters to the, Cases in point, MLP:FiM refers to:

Chocolate Rain
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Big Lebowski
and more

I highly doubt small girls are going to get those references.

Well in the three episodes I saw I saw 0 references to anything an older audience would like.

Also as a side note I have never heard of The Big Lebowski. :/

True, I myself still watch Invader Zim from time to time.
MLP doesn't really have the basic happy I am looking for. It feels like a sugary sweet, very much the kind of forced happy associated with a more feminine audience.

But that's just in relation to me only.

Just YouTube RedEye on "gay community". Should be the first link.

Bronie.s

Stupid filter.